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Breaking News / Re: Worth Knowing, Probably Not Quite Threadworthy 6/17
« Last post by SVPete on June 18, 2026, 09:39:17 AM »
Jeffrey Epstein was obsessed with trying to take down Trump before suicide, report says

https://nypost.com/2026/06/16/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-was-obsessed-with-trying-to-take-down-trump-before-suicide-report/

Progs parrot the talking-point that Trump is mentioned ##,000 times in the Epstein files, insinuating that proves Trump participated in Epstein's perversions. This NYT report suggests that a significant % of the mentions pertain to Epstein's Trump-Hatred. Further, it shows that if Trump indulged in Epstein's perversions,  Epstein could have had the evidence made public very easily ... and couldn't.

Maybe Progs should recognize that the NYT is "hinting" that it's time to move on from their Epstein Files obsession to their next Hate-Trump obsession.

The Dems' Trump-Epstein Conspiracy Theory Has Died a Horrible Death

https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2026/06/18/the-dems-trump-epstein-conspiracy-theory-just-died-a-horrible-death-n4954095

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Since Donald Trump returned to office, the Democrat Party and its allies in the media have tried to sell you a story: that Trump was somehow Jeffrey Epstein's partner in crime, a co-conspirator hiding in plain sight, maybe even complicit in unspeakable things. They never had evidence. They had vibes, doctored images, and a desperate need to make their Trump Derangement Syndrome look like journalism. Now, a deep New York Times investigation has taken that whole narrative out behind the barn.

After authorities arrested Epstein in July 2019 on federal sex trafficking charges, they held him at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan. His lawyers started talking to prosecutors about a "proffer,” which is the standard deal in which a defendant trades information about others for a lighter sentence. According to the report, Epstein spent hour after hour with his attorneys, scribbling fragmented notes on a legal pad, fixated on one name in particular: Donald Trump.

Remember, Epstein built his entire criminal empire on using underage girls to trap powerful, wealthy men in blackmail schemes. He knew the establishment hated Trump, so he figured that he could buy his way to a better deal by dangling the promise of dirt on the president. It's a smart play if you've actually got the goods.

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They sat with him for hours at a stretch, often to the annoyance of other inmates and their lawyers, who also needed to use the room. They listened as he seethed about the former friends who were now publicly distancing themselves from him, like Leslie Wexner, and tried to figure out whether he had any leverage to use against former associates like Bill Gates. Once, they heard him mutter: “I can’t do this.”

His attorneys discussed with federal prosecutors the prospect of a proffer: giving them information that might be useful in other cases in exchange for the possibility of some leniency in his own. Epstein was particularly preoccupied with what he might have on Donald Trump, who was then serving his first term in office. Jotting on a legal pad, he returned to the president again and again, trying to dredge up anything to offer prosecutors. But his scribblings — “Trump is a total con artist — smoke & mirrors” and “Never had money”— suggest that he could come up with little that wasn’t already known.

Trump is President and the 2024 election campaign is two years ago, so the Epstein Files lies are well past their "Use-By" date. IOW, the NYT's article is "We covered it" CYA and a hint to Proggies that they should move on to a new set of Hate-Trump lies.
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The DUmpster / Re: O.K. Republicans you all saw today's shit ..
« Last post by SVPete on June 18, 2026, 09:21:08 AM »
Is there a transcript of this speech that triggered Botany?

WRT "California doesn't have electricity" - probably exaggerating/parodying what Trump actually said - California summers are power black-out season. Power generation in CA is so tight, due to gooberment regulations (that include forced use of intermittent sources such as wind and solar), that a hotter than average day can strain power availability, forcing blackouts.

Is my vague memory correct that Botany's use of things botanical includes hallucinogenic hemp? :rotf:
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The DUmpster / O.K. Republicans you all saw today's shit ..
« Last post by CC27 on June 18, 2026, 07:15:09 AM »
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Botany (78,145 posts)

O.K. Republicans you all saw today's shit ..

... show is it now not abundantly clear
he is out of his mind and it is time for the
25th amendment?

Legless people walking, California doesn't have electricity, we bombed them @ breakfast, Obama is a stupid son of a bitch
(top of his class @ Harvard law), and when a reporter said, "I'm from Japan." Trump then asked him where he was from the
reporter said, "I'm from Japan."

I watched about 1/2 of his speech and the
Q & A and he is out to lunch and was wheezing like a very sick man.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221312673

Now do Biden.
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The DUmpster / Re: I'm in a state of shock
« Last post by SVPete on June 17, 2026, 07:54:14 PM »
Maybe someone saw the latest polls?

Maybe he filled up with gasoline?
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The DUmpster / Re: I'm in a state of shock
« Last post by ADsOutburst on June 17, 2026, 07:02:53 PM »
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I'm in a state of shock

Maybe someone saw the latest polls?
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I have mixed feelings. It may be hard to mount an insanity defense, but he's a hardcore leftist, so...

...so Mangione very definitely qualifies as N U T S

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I have mixed feelings. It may be hard to mount an insanity defense, but he's a hardcore leftist, so...
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Breaking News / Re: Worth Knowing, Probably Not Quite Threadworthy 6/17
« Last post by SVPete on June 17, 2026, 04:09:54 PM »
Oregon suddenly backs down on $90k fine on Christian therapist for not blessing gay relationship

https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/oregon-suddenly-backs-down-90k-fine-christian-therapist-not-blessing-gay

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Attorney General Dan Rayfield notified the Oregon Court of Appeals, ..., that the Board of Licensed Professional Counselors and Therapists withdrew the "final order assessing costs" against Frank Canepa May 12 and then the "notice of proposed disciplinary action" June 5.

The board's attached order says it moved to reconsider the fine in light of the Supreme Court's March ruling in favor of Colorado therapist Kaley Chiles, threatened by the Centennial State for refusing to affirm gender confusion in minor clients, and then took back the disciplinary notice "without prejudice."

Canepa's lawyers at the Alliance Defending Freedom announced the withdrawal Wednesday but not how it would respond, given that the board's withdrawal without prejudice means it could open a new proceeding against Canepa.

Reason 983 for Proggie-Faithful to hate the Alliance Defending Freedom. The ADF represents people who should not be represented and wins cases that should not be won (from a Prog POV).
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Mangione's Lawyers to Fans: You Know He's Bat-Guano Crazy, Right?

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2026/06/17/mangiones-lawyers-to-fans-you-know-hes-bat-guano-crazy-right-n3816054

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Luigi Mangione's attorneys want to make it official, however, and his legion of adoring fans may end up devastated by the latest defense strategy. If it sticks, that is:

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Luigi Mangione will assert a psychiatric defense at his state murder trial in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, a judge said Wednesday.

Judge Gregory Carro said Mangione’s lawyers have informed him they will attempt to show that he was suffering from “extreme emotional disturbance at the time of the occurrence.”

By asserting a psychiatric defense, Mangione would effectively be admitting that he killed Thompson but did so because of mitigating circumstances.

If a jury finds that Mangione was emotionally disturbed at the time of the killing, it could convict him of manslaughter instead of murder, meaning he’d be sentenced to less time in prison.
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The Mangionistas may want jury nullification, but Mangione's attorneys don't appear confident in his ability to sell a shot in the back as some form of cosmic justice. Not only will this defense require Mangione to admit to a crime, but it also means that the defense has to release all records of Mangione's mental health assessments and treatments to prosecutors. That will likely be true in the federal trial that Mangione faces as well:

IMO, if the prosecution is able to show planning - e.g. seeking out the target, selecting a weapon and location - and/or efforts to evade identification and/or capture, those should overcome an insanity defense. What Mangione's lawyer seems to be suggesting, though, sounds more akin to Twinkie Defense 2.0.
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The DUmpster / Re: I'm in a state of shock
« Last post by 67 Rover on June 17, 2026, 01:08:59 PM »
Even folks on death row do not live as long as terminally ill patient Steve Dawes.  ::)
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