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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: HawkHogan on December 03, 2014, 03:41:27 PM
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Ykcutnek (774 posts) Wed Dec 3, 2014, 02:27 PM
No Charges in Eric Garner Chokehold Case for Officer
A Staten Island grand jury has voted not to bring criminal charges against the white New York City police officer at the center of the Eric Garner case, a person briefed on the matter said Wednesday.
The decision was reached on Wednesday after months of testimony including from the officer, Daniel Pantaleo, who used a chokehold to restrain Mr. Garner, who died after a confrontation. It came less than two weeks after a grand jury in Ferguson, Mo., declined to bring charges against a white officer who fatally shot an unarmed black teenager, Michael Brown.
For days, the New York City Police Department has been readying for a new round of protests, which began in the city after the Ferguson decision and which were expected to continue and possibly grow if the grand jury declined to bring charges against the officer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/no-charges-in-eric-garner-chokehold-case-for-officer.html?_r=0
This could have all been avoided without nanny-state regulations. Liberals placed heavy taxes on cigarettes in New York, which causes people to purchase them out of state, and attempt to sell them on the streets back home in NY. Conclusion: Dummies killed Garner.
Star Member Frustratedlady (9,880 posts)
3. Will this be the straw on the camel?
Pretty amazing. Wasn't this over cigarettes?
Sigh!
Yes... and regulations that your liberal gods helped enact.
Star Member hrmjustin (49,192 posts)
4. I knew a Staten Island Grand Jury would not indict.
Feds need to come in.
Save us Eric Holder!!
Star Member ChisolmTrailDem (5,044 posts)
6. It's legal for police to murder black people. Garner's death was ruled a homicide. nt
You're an idiot.
In an honesty, I thought the chokehold was excessive, even with Garner resisting arrest.
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Once again the DUmmies fail to grasp the obvious. This would have all been unnecessary if there hadn't been a crime being committed in the first place.
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sabbat hunter (5,860 posts)
9. I think that
the problem here lay with a couple things
1) while the chokehold is forbidden by the NYPD it is not illegal
2) Garner had a number of pre-existing medical conditions that contributed to his death (both the NYC and independent ME agreed on this).
Despite that, he probably should have been charged with aggravated assault, and involuntary manslaughter (criminally negligent homicide), as the death was ruled a homicide by the ME.
Officer Pantaleo has been stripped of his badge and gun. I fully expect that the NYPD will bring charges against him, which will force him out of the NYPD, causing him to lose his pension, benefits.
This case also has hastened the wearing of cameras by NYPD officers, which I support.
I also support the broken windows law enforcement. This incident happened while Garner was selling 'loosies', something that was complained about by local businessmen in the area where Garner died. That is the basis of the 'broken windows' policy. Keep the small crimes down, and it will help keep the bigger ones down too. It started under Mayor Dinkins during Commissioner Bratton's first go around as NYPD commissioner. It is what started the decline of crime in NYC.
Broken windows, goes after even the petty criminals after the crime has been committed. which is FAR different from the stop and frisk, which tried to stop crimes before they were committed, which is really impossible.
This Dummy seems slightly rational. Obviously still a Dummy, but he/she can at least grasp some of the f acts.
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Once again the DUmmies fail to grasp the obvious. This would have all been unnecessary if there hadn't been a crime being committed in the first place.
or if garner hadn't resisted arrest once caught.
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Once again the DUmmies fail to grasp the obvious. This would have all been unnecessary if there hadn't been a crime being committed in the first place.
or if garner hadn't resisted arrest once caught.
Way to much commonsense.
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Once again the DUmmies fail to grasp the obvious. This would have all been unnecessary if there hadn't been a crime being committed in the first place.
They know the truth but it doesn't fit their agenda, so they choose to ignore it.
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This one probably won't generate as much outrage at the DUmp.
St. Skittles was drilled while trying to beat a white Hispanic to death.
St. Swisher was drilled while trying to beat a white cop to death.
This fat guy in New York was selling untaxed cigarettes. Tobacco has no DUmp cred.
If he'd been selling crack or weed, the DUmp would be exploding a hell of a lot more.
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Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
I can see the fireworks and smoke from my house :fuelfire:
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The 'Shouldn't have been illegal in the first place or it wouldn't have happened,' like Hannity was bellowing today, is really a non sequitur. If it was their normal level of force for nonviolent offenders, is that how they handle people who want to argue about parking tickets or other petty offenses with the State as the only victim? The guy was committing a revenue violation, a pretty trivial one at that, the level of force was pretty disproportionate to the situation and I can see how the people already pissed at the cops would be sent into orbit on this one.
Of course in the People's Democratic Paradise of New York, there is nothing more serious than a revenue violation, since it threatens the Great Mother State.
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The fat guy wasn't wrestled to the ground for selling illegal cigarettes.
He was wrestled to the ground for resisting arrest and fighting with officers who were trying to handcuff him.
When you resist arrest you should expect to receive as much physical force as necessary to complete the arrest.
The original offense becomes irrelevant when you begin to fight the police.
The cops can't be required to take a criminal's medical history before the arrest.
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The 'Shouldn't have been illegal in the first place or it wouldn't have happened,' like Hannity was bellowing today, is really a non sequitur. If it was their normal level of force for nonviolent offenders, is that how they handle people who want to argue about parking tickets or other petty offenses with the State as the only victim? The guy was committing a revenue violation, a pretty trivial one at that, the level of force was pretty disproportionate to the situation and I can see how the people already pissed at the cops would be sent into orbit on this one.
Of course in the People's Democratic Paradise of New York, there is nothing more serious than a revenue violation, since it threatens the Great Mother State.
I only raised that point because Dummies want a nanny state, but then bitch and whine about the consequences of the nanny state. There's no reason for a box of ciggs to cost 15 dollars an hour. But nanny-staters tax the hell out of ciggs in New York. As a result of this ridiculous taxation, people are now bringing in ciggs out of a state to try and make a profit.
At the end of the day, Garner should not have resisted arrest.
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The cops can't be required to take a criminal's medical history before the arrest.
I'd take that a step further and say it is the criminal's responsibility to be aware of their known health limitations and make sure they don't do anything to cause these limitations to be exceeded. In the case of garner, getting in a fight with 4 or 5 COPS was something to push his medical limitations past the redline position.
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The 'Shouldn't have been illegal in the first place or it wouldn't have happened,' like Hannity was bellowing today, is really a non sequitur. If it was their normal level of force for nonviolent offenders, is that how they handle people who want to argue about parking tickets or other petty offenses with the State as the only victim? The guy was committing a revenue violation, a pretty trivial one at that, the level of force was pretty disproportionate to the situation and I can see how the people already pissed at the cops would be sent into orbit on this one.
Of course in the People's Democratic Paradise of New York, there is nothing more serious than a revenue violation, since it threatens the Great Mother State.
I work for The Borg. I know.
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The fat guy wasn't wrestled to the ground for selling illegal cigarettes.
He was wrestled to the ground for resisting arrest and fighting with officers who were trying to handcuff him.
When you resist arrest you should expect to receive as much physical force as necessary to complete the arrest.
The original offense becomes irrelevant when you begin to fight the police.
The cops can't be required to take a criminal's medical history before the arrest.
Cool story, bro. He was being mildly uncooperative and never swung at them nor tried to grapple with them.
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He was just a gentle giant.
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I guess now we have St. Marlboro.
Anyone who commits a crime and then refuses to be handcuffed should expect to be on the ground very quickly.
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Not worry, Eric Holder and Loretta Lynching are on the case.
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Just like Zimmerman and Wilson, federal charges will be impossible.
How the hell will Holder/Lynch show racial animus?
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Just like Zimmerman and Wilson, federal charges will be impossible.
How the hell will Holder/Lynch show racial animus?
I wouldn't bet the rent on that. Holder's DOJ could very easily decide to go after the NYPD as a whole on a 'Disparate impact' basis. They haven't been shy about using that BS to count coup in racial politics issues before.
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There was no major unrest in New York despite a video. I suspec the news media showed parts of it, not the whole thing.
With Eric Garner, Obama’s body camera argument just took a big hit
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/03/obamas-body-camera-argument-just-took-a-big-hit/
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He was just a gentle giant.
He was a Dazzling Urbanite in the wrong place at the wrong time trying to suck wind.
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He was a Dazzling Urbanite in the wrong place at the wrong time trying to suck wind.
He was an extremely overweight criminal that thought his bulk would intimidate the police. He rolled the dice and lost.
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Wow...that meme is growing legs.
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‘Really taking it to the man:’ NYC protesters shut down all lanes of West Side highway; arrests underway [photos, Vine]
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/03/really-taking-it-to-the-man-nyc-protesters-shut-down-all-lanes-of-west-side-highway-arrests-underway-photos-vine/
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Why does it always come to this? Wow, you're really taking it to the man by blocking cab drivers on the West Side Hwy http://t.co/UTWPUQpkHV
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Jeff Poor (@jeff_poor) December 04, 2014
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One of CNN's roving cameras is right in front of a "die-in" protest on the West Side Highway
8:21 PM - 3 Dec 2014
A scene all too familiar. :mental:
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"I can't breathe.." :whatever:
I have a challenge for you DUmmies... Hold your breath, and then try to say something. Let me know how well that works.
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Resisting the cops was the hardest work fat boy had done in years....it killed him.
Work is hazardous to a DUmmies health.
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The 'Shouldn't have been illegal in the first place or it wouldn't have happened,' like Hannity was bellowing today, is really a non sequitur. If it was their normal level of force for nonviolent offenders, is that how they handle people who want to argue about parking tickets or other petty offenses with the State as the only victim? The guy was committing a revenue violation, a pretty trivial one at that, the level of force was pretty disproportionate to the situation and I can see how the people already pissed at the cops would be sent into orbit on this one.
Of course in the People's Democratic Paradise of New York, there is nothing more serious than a revenue violation, since it threatens the Great Mother State.
From what I read, Garner wasn't necessarily violent, but he was agitated and flailing his arms around. With him topping out at about 400 lbs., I can imagine the cop was simply ensuring that this big boy wasn't going to get more stupid than he already was. A multiple offender, this is a guy who had been confronted by the cops on a number of occasions, was well-known, and for one without any more information than that, I'm willing to give the cop the benefit of the doubt about the type of hold he put on Garner to make sure he didn't do something stupid.
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From what I read, Garner wasn't necessarily violent, but he was agitated and flailing his arms around. With him topping out at about 400 lbs., I can imagine the cop was simply ensuring that this big boy wasn't going to get more stupid than he already was. A multiple offender, this is a guy who had been confronted by the cops on a number of occasions, was well-known, and for one without any more information than that, I'm willing to give the cop the benefit of the doubt about the type of hold he put on Garner to make sure he didn't do something stupid.
Last night on the news they said he's been arrested 33 times.
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From what I read, Garner wasn't necessarily violent, but he was agitated and flailing his arms around. With him topping out at about 400 lbs., I can imagine the cop was simply ensuring that this big boy wasn't going to get more stupid than he already was. A multiple offender, this is a guy who had been confronted by the cops on a number of occasions, was well-known, and for one without any more information than that, I'm willing to give the cop the benefit of the doubt about the type of hold he put on Garner to make sure he didn't do something stupid.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo[/youtube]
at 0:34 in this video when the cops move in to handcuff garner he continues to flail his arms around rather than submit to Law Enforcement. Given his size and agitated state I can't fault the COPS for taking an aggressive stance to bring him under control before the situation got out of hand. They have a right to go home at the end of their shift. They were under orders of the mayor to crack down on people selling black (racist) market cigarettes on the street and garner was in violation of the city ordinance prohibiting sales of the cigarettes. Garner also failed to respond to the Police in a calm and reasonable manner which is what caused this to escalate. It's a shame he died but I see him as being 95% responsible for this getting to the level it did.
From what I heard on the radio this morning, he died of a heart attack, not of asphyxiation. I also heard the video was shot by garner's friend who didn't seem too concerned about garner's claims of not being able to breathe since he kept on rolling film.
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^^The problem was, the coroner ruled Garner's death as a homicide, which fueled the fire.
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^^The problem was, the coroner ruled Garner's death as a homicide, which fueled the fire.
Blame that on the ignorance of the public and the media. Homicide means that another person was involved in the death. Murder is when someone is killed illegally.
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Blame that on the ignorance of the public and the media. Homicide means that another person was involved in the death. Murder is when someone is killed illegally.
Yep, but to those reprobates, all it takes is for somebody else (and it would have to be a white cop) to be even remotely involved in the death, and off they go.
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We could solve these problems by forcing the police to do an EKG on resisting people before they try violent arrest procedures.
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From what I understand, there was a black sergeant overseeing the entire arrest, and she did not order the officer to release him, and testified that he did not seem to be in danger. Common sense would immediately lead to the conclusion that "RACE" had nothing to do with the arrest. Of course, common sense isn't...
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This could have all been avoided without nanny-state regulations. Liberals placed heavy taxes on cigarettes in New York, which causes people to purchase them out of state, and attempt to sell them on the streets back home in NY. Conclusion: Dummies killed Garner.
Yes... and regulations that your liberal gods helped enact.
Save us Eric Holder!!
You're an idiot.
In an honesty, I thought the chokehold was excessive, even with Garner resisting arrest.
Unless the video was edited the chokehold was just used to get him on the ground. Control the head you can control the body. Also the hold might have been on him for 10 secs and that was it.
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Wonder who edited out the part where Garner told the cops, "Hey, lets take a break and get something to eat." :-)
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Unless the video was edited the chokehold was just used to get him on the ground. Control the head you can control the body.
That approach works a whole lot better, and it's a lot safer, if you have a guy do it who's not a foot too short to keep his feet on the ground at the same time he's applying the hold. You're not really controlling jack if there's no leverage, it's just the force of the smaller guy's body weight hanging around the bigger guy's neck. You're just choking the guy out, and that just has 'way too much potential to go wrong in a big way.
Beyond any issues with cops, and addressing human male stupidity in general, for some dumb-as-a-box-of-doorknobs reason, the whole 'Choking out' deal in a physical confrontation has become a 'Thing' with dudes in recent years. Maybe it's the influence of MMA, and God know those guys are a bunch of philosophical rocket scientists every guy ought to be taking his lead from, but while it usually works as intended, there are a ton of times it ends very badly, in my professional life I recall reviewing several totally unnecessary death cases where people who thought they knew what they were doing turned out to be wrong.