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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on October 22, 2014, 09:19:27 AM
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EEO (709 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251380563
The assassination Jack Kennedy was one of the major turning points in our history.
You already know the answer:
billhicks76 (1,606 posts)
33. Bush Sr He probably was involved and people are still afraid.
DING DING DING!!!!!
AwakeAtLast (10,286 posts)
2. And clearly showed those coming after him that they were not really in charge
BFEE - all you need to know.
TBF (26,313 posts)
4. Eisenhower warned us -
and Jack Kennedy did not heed the warning. Some of it has come out already (enough that we can connect the dots even if we don't have over-riding evidence). I'm pretty convinced that the Bush family had something to do with his assassination. Dulles, Oswald - all these folks were connected. My view is that Kennedy did not play ball so he was eliminated.
Show me CIA!!!
TheNutcracker (708 posts)
24. That's when the CIA took over
mopinko (42,477 posts)
6. and those that think barack obama failed to learn that lesson are fools.
wait.... what?
Botany (38,279 posts)
14. And HW's fellow skull and bones club member George de Mohrenschidt who ....got Oswald his job and house in Dallas.
jwirr (25,199 posts)
43. Speaking of the JFK killing - when was the PNAC formed?
EEO (709 posts)
23. George H.W. Bush is so dirty. A president who was the former head of the CIA...
An organization his son W. praised and told them how good a job they were doing after September 11th.
You know, we criticize Putin and attack him for being a former member of the KGB and rightly so. Where was the criticism of H.W. Bush when a former CIA fascist became president?
billhicks76 (1,606 posts)
36. JFK Jr
Some people believe that Bush Jr had to get his hands dirty by killing off JFK Jr when he indicated he would run for president month before his plane went down. Also the Hinkleys were CLOSE personal friends of the Bushes and I believe they tried to eliminate Reagan in '81. Bush felt upstaged by the bumbling actor much like LBJ, the Senate Majority Leader, felt about JFK.
W killed JFK jr... :stoner:
TBF (26,313 posts)
71. You need to read what Octafish
has posted through the years. Bush wouldn't have pulled the trigger himself (that's why Ruby was hired) but the connections are all there.
The recent issues we've seen with Obama and his Secret Service are instructive as well. All of a sudden "ISIS" is the stated enemy, bombing ensues, and gas is down to $2.75/gallon. Obama does what he's supposed to and life goes on. Literally.
I am not much for "conspiracy" theories. Capitalism is bad enough on it's face without looking for more behind the scenes. But you'd have to be pretty dense not to understand who is running this country.
speaking of that crazy fuxkstick...
Octafish (41,958 posts)
77. Thank you, TBF.
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.†-- George Orwell
Here are OPs I started from information I learned at "Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" at Duquesne University.
Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters?
JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People
After JFK Conference, when I got home, I felt like RFK.
JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings
JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee
JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power
JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963
JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Government’s Role in the Assassination
JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'
JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation
Noah's Ark - Nov. 22, 1963
JFK Remembered: Dan Rather and James Swanson talk at The Henry Ford
Seven Days in May -- tonight on TCM
Machine Gun Mouth
What strikes me today, looking back one year, how fast time has flown. Now it's 51 years since the assassination, four years longer than JFK lived. Our lives really do pass by quickly -- like a puff of smoke on the breeze.
I'm 57 and can remember what the nation was like in 1963: a place where anyone could do anything and the future would be what free men and women could imagine. In another 51 years, very few people will be around who remember. That is why those of us who remember JFK want to pass forward what we know: It is important for those who believe in Democracy.
Botany (38,279 posts)
122. that picture might or might not be HW but somethings I have come to accept as facts
JFK was shot from the front; his head was blown backward and Senator Yarborough of TX
who was in a car behind Kennedy's is on record as saying he heard incoming rounds
and smelled gunpowder.
You can not shoot, work the bolt action, and aim a 30:06 rifle in the time frame
given ...... I tried once w/ a bolt action 30:06 rifle to fire it 3 times in 5 seconds
w/out even aiming it and I could not do it. Recordings from the Dallas PD radio of
the shooting were looked at using physics and to >95% degree of certainty that more
then 3 shoots were fired.
HW Bush, Dick Nixon, Howard Hunt, and some of the Cuban Watergate "burglars"
were all in Dallas on 11/22/63.
HW's associate and CIA "asset" George de Mohrenschildt, got Lee Harvey Oswald
his job at the School Book Depository and the house he was living in.
HW Bush broke down crying @ Gerry Ford's (he was on the Warren Commission) and was saying
that "they" are gonna bring up the JFK shooting again.
you might disagree w/me and that is OK cpwm17
orpupilofnature57 (12,107 posts)
26. He had a plan to avoid all this, and they knew it .
The tyranny carried out by our own government after that day was irrefutably the beginning of the end of Democracy in our country and the world . Trickie Dick would have been sent to the abyss with Poppy, Shrub and all the Monied Misanthropes that owned them and unfortunately us . His speech on secret societies say's it all .
blkmusclmachine (12,321 posts)
39. Kennedy was murdered in Dallas TX because he wasn't a yes man.
Kennedy put the kibosh on Operation Northwoods.
U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans included hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, Fidel Castro.
America's top military brass contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
imagine the different outcome if George Bush had been in the White House at that time...
jwirr (25,199 posts)
40. And if you are correct (I think you are) then we should quit wondering why President Obama does some of the things he does.
I love a good DUmp JFK thread.
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There's only one correct answer. OZ will let you know what it is.
As for the thread, . . .
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My Texas kin tell me it was LBJ that had JFK shot....and Oswald......and you know what.....I can believe them.
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Subtract the cheating and vote fraud and you would of had Richard Nixon being sworn in as president in January 1961. Jack Kennedy would have remained alive and (semi-)well - we can assume. So really it was Daddy Joe who killed his son.
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What a circle-jerk.
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Bat-shit lunatics, the whole lot of those DUmmies.
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Subtract the cheating and vote fraud and you would of had Richard Nixon being sworn in as president in January 1961. Jack Kennedy would have remained alive and (semi-)well - we can assume. So really it was Daddy Joe who killed his son.
Exactly what I was thinking, if we had voter ID back then there would be no JFK to assassinate.
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Coach whacked him, on assignment from the Pope.
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Coach whacked him, on assignment from the Pope.
You know, since the primitives are such narcissists, caring only about each of themselves and no other primitives, perhaps they haven't noticed something.
One of their members sprung loose of this mortal coil.
Maybe it would help if they took some sort of daily roll-call, to see which of them are still extant, and which aren't?
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You know, since the primitives are such narcissists, caring only about each of themselves and no other primitives, perhaps they haven't noticed something.
One of their members sprung loose of this mortal coil.
Maybe it would help if they took some sort of daily roll-call, to see which of them are still extant, and which aren't?
You only managed to get one of them while you were gone?
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You only managed to get one of them while you were gone?
Actually, I'm still gone; this is a by-chance visit.
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=98644.25
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Subtract the cheating and vote fraud and you would of had Richard Nixon being sworn in as president in January 1961. Jack Kennedy would have remained alive and (semi-)well - we can assume. So really it was Daddy Joe who killed his son.
Makes as much sense as the (D)Ummies....quoting .....Orwell? Huh?
I'm 57 and can remember what the nation was like in 1963:
No you can't. You were like, six years old. Shut-the-****-up. You were safely ensconced in a protected world of parental-provided Socialism. You had not the slightest clue what the world was like outside of your backyard and still have none as to why it was like that. Go quote Orwell: "rough men standing ready to do violence on your behalf". Suck an egg, you POS....
a place where anyone could do anything and the future would be what free men and women could imagine. In another 51 years, very few people will be around who remember. That is why those of us who remember JFK want to pass forward what we know: It is important for those who believe in Democracy.
How can that be? We are constantly assured the America was a racist hell hole. We are constantly assured that poverty was at eLeBiNty!!!!!!1111!!
...all from little Fascist®Jrs. who want to quote Orwell. :thatsright:
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quote Orwell: "rough men standing ready to do violence on your behalf". Suck an egg, you POS....
By the way, do you know the full, and exact, quote?
I want to use it in my annual Armistice Day* advertisement in the local newspaper, something I do every year giving the viewpoint of a professional civilian and what one owes those who served.
*<<<not big on re-naming and re-dating holidays.
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You only managed to get one of them while you were gone?
Hey, give him a break, it's about quality, not quantity.
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You know, since the primitives are such narcissists, caring only about each of themselves and no other primitives, perhaps they haven't noticed something.
One of their members sprung loose of this mortal coil.
Maybe it would help if they took some sort of daily roll-call, to see which of them are still extant, and which aren't?
It's understandable that coach knows this stuff before any of the DUmmies.
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My Texas kin tell me it was LBJ that had JFK shot....and Oswald......and you know what.....I can believe them.
I can believe it too. George HW wasn't even involved in politics when Kennedy was killed. He was elected a representative in the House in '66. Kennedy died in '63.
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I can believe it too. George HW wasn't even involved in politics when Kennedy was killed. He was elected a representative in the House in '66. Kennedy died in '63.
It's a whole lot more plausible than the BFEE crap. JFK and LBJ totally despised each other, and LBJ was as crooked, dishonest, and downright nuts as anyone who has ever held high office in our entire history, and I include VP Aaron Burr in that.
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What... no Koch brothers and Karl Rove? I admit I did not read all the dummies bloviations, just scanned thru them, so if I missed it, well organic waste matter happens.
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While I assumed that nut-job Octafish would leap limp-dicked into a good BFEE/JFK conspiracy thread, I'm a little disappointed about something else.
I didn't click the DUmp link, but I figured that type of thread might get bourbon-soaked Wee Willie Pitt to stumble in with some long winded soliloquy about his "Boston" brethren the Kennedy cabal.
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It's a whole lot more plausible than the BFEE crap. JFK and LBJ totally despised each other, and LBJ was as crooked, dishonest, and downright nuts as anyone who has ever held high office in our entire history, and I include VP Aaron Burr in that.
It's funny, how we think along not-quite-parallel-but-nearly-parallel lines.
I just started reading that rabid Johnson-hater Robert Cato's book Lyndon Johnson: The Path to Power, which goes to 1941.
As you know, I have feelings of affection for Lyndon; after all, he was the best Democrat president in my lifetime--Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and 0bumbles can't hold a candle to him--but more so out of sympathy simply because he proved that old adage, "no good deed goes unpunished."
Here, he gave the minorities, the poor, the young, the aged, all these goodies (of course paid for by other people).....and then they turned on him. Talk about blatant ingratitude.
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It was a turning point in the sense that the democrat party went Communist after him.
Led in part by his two idiot brothers,who cared not that it was an avowed Marxist who had gunned him down.
Not even blood is thicker then politics to a leftist.
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It was a turning point in the sense that the democrat party went Communist after him.
Spot on. However, I don't think a JFK could be elected by today's Democrats. He wouldn't be far enough to the left for them.
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Spot on. However, I don't think a JFK could be elected by today's Democrats. He wouldn't be far enough to the left for them.
Hell, JFK was more fiscally conservative than many of today's GOP.
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Hell, JFK was more fiscally conservative than many of today's GOP.
Except he pretty much confined himself to foreign policy and tail.
Then he brought in his snotty little brother Bobby, and turned the domestic side of his administration over to Harvard social engineers.
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It has been a really long time since I have seen BFEE used. I sort of missed it.
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It's funny, how we think along not-quite-parallel-but-nearly-parallel lines.
I just started reading that rabid Johnson-hater Robert Cato's book Lyndon Johnson: The Path to Power, which goes to 1941.
As you know, I have feelings of affection for Lyndon; after all, he was the best Democrat president in my lifetime--Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and 0bumbles can't hold a candle to him--but more so out of sympathy simply because he proved that old adage, "no good deed goes unpunished."
Here, he gave the minorities, the poor, the young, the aged, all these goodies (of course paid for by other people).....and then they turned on him. Talk about blatant ingratitude.
I used to have a more benign opinion of him, until various 'Now that he's gone...' revelations about his WW2 service and his some of his baser partisan comments about the whole civil rights/war-on-poverty battle surfaced. Although even back in the day, some of the stories that even his fans told in the 'What a character' vein left kind of a bad taste in my mouth. I would give it to you that his motives for the social legislation had a certain altruistic element, among other less admirable factors.
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I used to have a more benign opinion of him, until various 'Now that he's gone...' revelations about his WW2 service and his some of his baser partisan comments about the whole civil rights/war-on-poverty battle surfaced. Although even back in the day, some of the stories that even his fans told in the 'What a character' vein left kind of a bad taste in my mouth. I would give it to you that his motives for the social legislation had a certain altruistic element, among other less admirable factors.
I can't say I've ever had a positive opinion of him. The disastrous result of his 'Great Society' legislation coupled with his blatant racism (whether it was true or not), leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Growing up around generations of blacks born and raised in public ghettos did not help.
"I'll have those ******s voting Democrat for the next 100 years."
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What the hell would Bush Sr. have to gain by killing Kennedy? It's not like he was 2nd in line. And no one in their right mind would want Johnson anywhere near the police action in Vietnam where Kerry served. Except on Christmas when he was in Cambodia.
Cindie
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I used to have a more benign opinion of him, until various 'Now that he's gone...' revelations about his WW2 service and his some of his baser partisan comments about the whole civil rights/war-on-poverty battle surfaced. Although even back in the day, some of the stories that even his fans told in the 'What a character' vein left kind of a bad taste in my mouth. I would give it to you that his motives for the social legislation had a certain altruistic element, among other less admirable factors.
I know, but when all things are considered--Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and Obumbles--he stands tall among them, all the Democrat presidents of my lifetime.
But mostly, my feelings of affection for him are because of all the grief he took from the ungrateful asses and jerks--the minorities, the poor, the aged, the young--he'd done so much to help (agreed, with other people's, not his, money). They should've been kissing his ass, not kicking it.
Johnson proved one of my fundamental beliefs about life and society--some people, they just aren't worth the time and trouble being nice to.
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Ya know, if someone wants to hand-feed a crocodile, I don't have any sympathy for them when they pull back a bloody stump.
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Ya know, if someone wants to hand-feed a crocodile, I don't have any sympathy for them when they pull back a bloody stump.
True.
I remember as a kid, watching the progression of Lyndon Johnson from a strong, vibrant, vigorous being declining into utter misery and wretchedness and premature old age, in newspaper photographs and on the covers of weekly newsmagazines.
It seemed so sad; the more this guy was giving his constituencies, the more they loathed and despised him, the ungrateful asses.
No matter how much he gave them, they were never going to like him.
I think part of my partial respect--it's certainly nowhere near as much as that I have for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and the second Bush--for Lyndon Johnson is that here was a man who paid for his sins (of which there were many) in this life. He paid and paid and paid. In this life.
As compared with, for example, Vast Teddy, who wasn't bothered a whit, paid no "penalties," suffered nothing, for his profligacies in this time and place.
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True.
I remember as a kid, watching the progression of Lyndon Johnson from a strong, vibrant, vigorous being declining into utter misery and wretchedness and premature old age, in newspaper photographs and on the covers of weekly newsmagazines.
It seemed so sad; the more this guy was giving his constituencies, the more they loathed and despised him, the ungrateful asses.
No matter how much he gave them, they were never going to like him.
I think part of my partial respect--it's certainly nowhere near as much as that I have for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and the second Bush--for Lyndon Johnson is that here was a man who paid for his sins (of which there were many) in this life. He paid and paid and paid. In this life.
As compared with, for example, Vast Teddy, who wasn't bothered a whit, paid no "penalties," suffered nothing, for his profligacies in this time and place.
The word "gimme" has no period after it.
There is no end to what a person will want if they are the sort that expects things handed to them.
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Except he pretty much confined himself to foreign policy and tail.
Then he brought in his snotty little brother Bobby, and turned the domestic side of his administration over to Harvard social engineers.
JFK, the young pup, had his ass handed to him in Vienna by Khrushchev. One of the ass-kickings he took on the foreign policy side of things, and I didn't even bring up the Bay of Pigs. JFK also took more ass-kicking when the Berlin Wall went up in Aug. 61. The confrontation at Checkpoint Charlie between U.S. and Soviet tanks in which everybody was locked and loaded (Oct. 61) was yet another flash point.
JFK's foreign policy record wasn't exactly stellar in his first couple of years.
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As compared with, for example, Vast Teddy, who wasn't bothered a whit, paid no "penalties," suffered nothing, for his profligacies in this time and place.
Well now, I have always thought that to some certain degree he did, since the consequences of his own folly and dissipation ultimately kept him from the one thing he most wanted, the Presidency. Certainly he had a lifetime tenure on his Senate seat, thanks to the power of his family and the blood of his brothers, but his ultimate failure as a Presidential candidate led to a cycle of degeneration from young prodigal to ancient, swollen dissolute sot.
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Well now, I have always thought that to some certain degree he did, since the consequences of his own folly and dissipation ultimately kept him from the one thing he most wanted, the Presidency. Certainly he had a lifetime tenure on his Senate seat, thanks to the power of his family and the blood of his brothers, but his ultimate failure as a Presidential candidate led to a cycle of degeneration from young prodigal to ancient, swollen dissolute sot.
On target, as usual.
I'd offer, however, that Vast Teddy never spent a day in jail as a result of Chappaquiddick. IIRC, he went home to sober up after the incident, not bothering to call the police until late the next morning. Per Wiki, a suspended two-month jail sentence for leaving the scene of an accident.
The stink of cronyism was so hugely intertwined with this incident that it boggled the mind, and yet he walked and talked and made speeches and lived the high life, even as a senator. Yeah, he never made it to the presidency.
Thank God. It's just a tragedy that Mary Jo Kopechne had to pay for that development with her life. Without Chappaquiddick, had Teddy run in 1972, he might've beaten Nixon as he'd have been riding on the sympathy of his brothers' deaths, as you pointed out. And he certainly would have taken out Jimmuh in the 1976 primaries as Carter was a relative unknown governor of Georgia.
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On target, as usual.
I'd offer, however, that Vast Teddy never spent a day in jail as a result of Chappaquiddick. IIRC, he went home to sober up after the incident, not bothering to call the police until late the next morning. Per Wiki, a suspended two-month jail sentence for leaving the scene of an accident.
The stink of cronyism was so hugely intertwined with this incident that it boggled the mind, and yet he walked and talked and made speeches and lived the high life, even as a senator. Yeah, he never made it to the presidency.
Thank God. It's just a tragedy that Mary Jo Kopechne had to pay for that development with her life. Without Chappaquiddick, had Teddy run in 1972, he might've beaten Nixon as he'd have been riding on the sympathy of his brothers' deaths, as you pointed out. And he certainly would have taken out Jimmuh in the 1976 primaries as Carter was a relative unknown governor of Georgia.
Dead Ted was the human embodiment of the rot which is now the democrat party.
Not once did he show remorse for the horrific death Mary Jo suffered (she asphyxiated in an ever smaller air pocket,not drowned) and in fact actually made glib remarks about it.
His conduct in the Robert Bork hearings was unconscionable and further sent democrats down the road of vicious lies and character assassination that has brought us to the evil,soulless entity it is today.
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I voted for franksolich.
The truth is out there.
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What the hell would Bush Sr. have to gain by killing Kennedy? It's not like he was 2nd in line. And no one in their right mind would want Johnson anywhere near the police action in Vietnam where Kerry served. Except on Christmas when he was in Cambodia.
Cindie
Nazi's, it's all about the Nazi's. :tinfoil2:
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TBF (26,313 posts)
4. Eisenhower warned us -
No you moron! He was warning about Communism!!!
As for Octafish...I think he's the idiot on the DU FB Page for disgruntled current and former Dummies taht posts all the stupid JFK conspiracy sh*t all the time.
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No you moron! He was warning about Communism!!!
As for Octafish...I think he's the idiot on the DU FB Page for disgruntled current and former Dummies taht posts all the stupid JFK conspiracy sh*t all the time.
Octafish is the resident "BFEE & JFK conspiracy expert". An abject fruit loop. SR and I always have to chuckle at his ridiculous threads.
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I thought this one was so funny, I passed it around to some co-workers. They all thought it was hilarious, too. Nice find, dutch. :cheersmate:
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I thought this one was so funny, I passed it around to some co-workers. They all thought it was hilarious, too. Nice find, dutch. :cheersmate:
Obviously, a lot of people are familiar with the various conspiracy theories surrounding JFK's death. But to see the "in-depth" wacko claims at the DUmp and their ilk is just hilarious. The nut-jobs are truly invested in dreaming up the most bizarre and accepting far reaching little conclusions makes my head hurt but also makes me laugh a lot. It must be painful to live in their world.