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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on August 15, 2014, 11:35:49 AM
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The truth must not be heard! http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1014871469
MynameisBlarney (1,735 posts)
2. Provide cites to backup your claim
or STFU.
apnu (5,215 posts)
6. Yeah no shit
If Brown was a suspect in a robbery, why is it coming out now when the cop's name is officially stated?
However, here's a DailyKos link mentioning the buffon who reported the cop's name but before implying Brown's a thief. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321847/-Michael-Brown-s-killer-identified
They can't help but dig this deeper. Sheesh.
bravenak (5,844 posts)
41. I do not have cable. Where are the cigars?? I saw no boxes of cigars laying on the sidewalk. He was laying there for hours, with absolutely no cigars. Could be that he bought his clothes at the same big and tall store as another big and tall black dude that wears shorts and sandals in the summer. Regardless, there was no execution order pending, so, I have no idea how this absolves the cop of the killing. A kid steals some cigars, so, shoot him? The cop did not have time to view a video first.
BUT- the police officer got the suspect's name and description... which matched...
MynameisBlarney (1,735 posts)
11. That ain't how it works. You make the claim, YOU provide the evidence to back it up, if not....then shut your racist pie hole. There are a bunch of breitbart and drudge trolls on Raw Story saying the same stupid shit.
I say the same to them as I do to you. Cites, or STFU.
So, the only truth you will accept is that by sources which lie to further their (and your) goal?
Star Member FarPoint (3,276 posts)
25. First off...I don't believe for one nano second about the robbery suspect spin.
There would of been other officers present or called in before making contact with Michael Brown. Additionally, officer Wilson would of been out of the squad car with gun drawn instead of siitng on his ass and grabbing the kid through his window.
Secondly, officer Wilson shot unarmed Brown 35 feet away from the car, in the back. Lethal force not indicated regardless of what a suspect may of done.
Yeah, maybe on TV. However if the patrol is simply looking for the suspect and sees them, then calls for back up, odds are that back-up won't be there in time. Of course you don't really know what happened. You are just spinning it to fit your view of the world (cops are bad)
leftynyc (12,782 posts)
4. Link please The only place I'm seeing that is some right wing blog that says that's the reason he was stopped......which would mean the cops were lying this entire time saying they just wanted him and his friend to walk on the sidewalk. So which is it? Are they racists or are they liars?
There is a whole press statement report from the chief of police, dipshit. Look for it. It is out there.
Trust Buster (257 posts)
9. Turn on CNN. It's breaking news. I'm not a liar, you're just out of touch.
MynameisBlarney (1,735 posts)
12. Cites or STFU. It's that easy. You make the claim, YOU back it up.
OK. www.CNN.com
Bacchus4.0 (4,259 posts)
28. Showing pictures of the assault and robbery at the convenience store right now on CNN n/t
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HR.207758429587&pid=15.1&P=0)
from CNN
DisgustipatedinCA (7,846 posts)
19. You've convicted the murder victim based on something the pigs made up this morning. And I'm out of touch? I believe that if you'll bootlick this authoritarian piece of shit and sign on immediately to a brand new theory that makes the deceased look bad, you're not "in touch" with much of anything. You categorically stated that he was guilty of this newly-discovered crime take that shit to your Klan website or FR, because that kind of racist bullshit doesn't fly here. Understood?
bravenak (5,844 posts)
8. Oh, here we go with this crap!! Oh, yeah, lets demonize the child and pretend he was involved in a robbery. Wh not murder? That would mean that it was perfectly okay to shoot him with his hand up. You need to provide evidence, now! Or i will alert and then send it to admins.
The truth must not be heard.
bravenak (5,844 posts)
22. WE don't know what we're talking about? Ain't you the one that just called SHOPLIFTING a STRONG ARM ROBBERY? Yeah. You trippin.
When you threaten and physically assault the shop keeper that Strong Arm Robbery.
Hayabusa (1,950 posts)
3. No mention of a "Darren Wilson" in the leaked list of employees. One side is lying.
What? Are you saying the police made up a Cop name?
logosoco (607 posts)
47. Curious...the CNN report says the "robbery" took place moments before the shooting. Would the officer who shot the young man already know this? And know that he could have been a suspect? Why didn't the Ferguson PD report this DAYS ago?
There are two witnesses who say that Brown was not doing anything to the cop, as the cops are now trying to say. Things just don't add up to me. But it seems like robbing a store does not call for being shot dead in the street.
maybe, just maybe the Police were conducting an investigation into what really happened before jumping to conclusions...
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logosoco (607 posts)
47. Curious...the CNN report says the "robbery" took place moments before the shooting. Would the officer who shot the young man already know this? And know that he could have been a suspect? Why didn't the Ferguson PD report this DAYS ago?
There are two witnesses who say that Brown was not doing anything to the cop, as the cops are now trying to say. Things just don't add up to me. But it seems like robbing a store does not call for being shot dead in the street.
The cop pounded his own face in to prove he was assaulted.....gahhhh....it's all so simple!!
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They seem angry. :yahoo: :lol: :-)
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:panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:
:rotf: I LOVE IT! the MAYHEM! :lmao:
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sendero (26,658 posts)
25. I heard that the majority of the city being black.
..... but does not vote hence a white mayor and police dept.
Maybe someone will get mad and VOTE these assholes out.
Nope, nothing at all racist about this statement.
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sendero (26,658 posts)
25. I heard that the majority of the city being black.
..... but does not vote hence a white mayor and police dept.
Maybe someone will get mad and VOTE these assholes out.
The DUmmies are the true racists, and this post sums it up.
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logosoco (607 posts)
47. Curious...the CNN report says the "robbery" took place moments before the shooting. Would the officer who shot the young man already know this? And know that he could have been a suspect?
PD Dispatch; Car 54 where are you? We have two suspects described as black males, one is 6'2", 250 lbs wearing a white t shirt, tan shorts, red baseball cap and sandals. Suspected of a 501.02 burglary, walking east on fifth and main.
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There are few things better on the Internet than watching the DUers scramble to save a wrong conclusion drawn from evidence they pulled out of their lower torso.
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So, lets see:
1. Thug goes into shop,steals cigars hands them off to his buddy. Shop owner gets assaulted by thug by asking that said thug pay for them. Said thug beats up shop owner, grabs more cigars.
2. APB put out for said thug.
3. Thug spotted by cop, tries to halt thug. Thug lunges into cop car, attempts to get his gun, and gets his thug ass handed to him.
4. Video from store ID's thug (now dead) from clothing as Michael Brown.
5. Thugs buddy says "yeah, we did it".
6. DUmp reaction: :racist:
OK, got it.
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6. DUmp reaction: :racist:
Naturally.
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The cop pounded his own face in to prove he was assaulted.....gahhhh....it's all so simple!!
He learned that little trick from Zimmerman
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So, lets see:
1. Thug goes into shop,steals cigars hands them off to his buddy (EXACTLY what I thought! His friend admitted he ran into a building and I bet he had the "bag"). Shop owner gets assaulted by thug by asking that said thug pay for them. Said thug beats up shop owner, grabs more cigars.
2. APB put out for said thug.
3. Thug spotted by cop, tries to halt thug. Thug lunges into cop car, attempts to get his gun, and gets his thug ass handed to him.
4. Video from store ID's thug (now dead) from clothing as Michael Brown.
5. Thugs buddy says "yeah, we did it".
6. DUmp reaction: :racist:
OK, got it.
:lmao:
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I can't even laugh at these people anymore.
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I can't even laugh at these people anymore.
Given that it's happened so many times, I knew the egg was headed right for the primitives' faces; all one had to do was sit back and wait.
This is the reaction I recommend others take too.
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Oh I knew something was going to come out. Despite what liberals may dream about, cops here tend to not just shoot people for the hell of it. The fact is they don't care. These evil bastards would have rather had the cop killed is what I'm taking from this.
It's easy to laugh at these loons, but sometimes you have to remind yourself how dangerous they are.
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Brown’s relatives immediately questioned whether the officer really believed Brown was a suspect and said no robbery would justify shooting the teen after he put his hands up.
The family’s attorney, Benjamin Crump, said Brown’s parents were blindsided by the allegations.
Of course... the witness who said that Brown put his hands up was the other robbery suspect.
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Saw another news story where the family seems to be going shithouse crazy over the video posted. Judge me how you will but it seems like a case of the family seeing dollar signs from a lawsuit watching it all possibly slip away. I'll post it when I get home.
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Saw another news story where the family seems to be going shithouse crazy over the video posted. Judge me how you will but it seems like a case of the family seeing dollar signs from a lawsuit watching it all possibly slip away. I'll post it when I get home.
I saw where their lawyer was complaining that the cops were just trying to bring up his past as justification. The lawyer was making it sound like the theft and assault happened years ago. I looked at my wife and said, "Yeah! They're trying to focus on his past. Stuff that happened less than an hour before instead of focusing on how he'd turned his life around after walking out of the door of the store! Plus, he's just a gentle giant. I know because they told me so. He probably was just getting those cigars to donate to a homeless man and intended to come back later to pay for them."
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-stopped-michael-brown-for-walking-in-street-but/article_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html
The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.
Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.
But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.
Jackson also addressed concerns about his release of information about the robbery at the same time he released the name of the officer at a press conference Friday morning.
Jackson said he released the security video from the liquor store because news organizations had been requesting it under the Freedom of Information Act.
Asked by reporters why he released the tape, he said, "Because I had to. Too many people put in (freedom of information) requests for it."
Ooops.
Wilson, who suffered facial injuries into the attack, has been an officer for six years and has had no disciplinary action taken against him in the past, Jackson said.
Can't wait for the medical reports on the officer.
The attorney for Brown's family said police are trying to assassinate the victim’s character by saying he committed a robbery that day, according to the Associated Press.
The attorney, Benjamin Crump, says Brown’s parents are “incensed†by what he calls “the old game of smoke and mirrors.†He says the family was blind-sided by Friday’s announcement.
Crump says “it’s bad enough they assassinated him, and now they’re trying to assassinate his character.â€
Another attorney for the family, Anthony Gray, said Brown was killed while "displaying a universal sign of surrender" with his hands up.
The 'kid' robbed a store and assaulted the clerk, then after being stopped by police ASSAULTED the officer.
Also named as a suspect in the robbery is Dorian Johnson, 22, a man who has said he was with Brown when he was shot.
The document release includes surveillance images of the robbery, showing an employee being attacked.
An unidentified employee had just come out of the restroom and come to the counter when she observed Brown telling a clerk he wanted several boxes of cigars, the reports say. The name of two employees have been redacted from the report:
"As (redacted) was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweets cigars and handed them to Johnson who was standing behind Brown. (Redacted) witnessed (redacted) tell Brown that he had to pay for those cigars first. That is when Brown reached across the counter and grabbed numerous packs of Swisher Sweets and turned to leave the store. (Redacted) then calls '911.' Meanwhile (redacted) comes out from behind the counter and attempts to stop Brown from leaving. According to (redacted),(redacted) was trying to lock the door until Brown returned the merchandise to him. That is when Brown grabbed (redacted) by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back in to a display rack. (Redacted) backed away and Brown and Johnson exited the store with the cigars."
The lawyer for Johnson, who was walking with Michael Brown when Wilson fatally shot Brown, said Johnson told authorities about the cigar theft earlier this week.
“He told them about the cigarillos and that Big Mike took cigarillos,†said the lawyer, former St. Louis Mayor Freeman Bosley Jr.
****ing Saint this 'kid' was.
"I am incensed," said Laura Keys, 50, of St. Louis. "I can't believe this is the tactic they are using, bringing up a robbery to make the victim look like he was the person who created this whole mess. Where's the footage?"
Watch the news.
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Watch the news.
World Star Hip Hop doesn't do news. Neither does BET.
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Anarchy and general social upheaval and unrest is the goal of every single DUmbass, as long as it doesn't disrupt their SSDI payment, or their access to MSNBC or the internet they are thrilled.
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Oh I knew something was going to come out. Despite what liberals may dream about, cops here tend to not just shoot people for the hell of it. The fact is they don't care. These evil bastards would have rather had the cop killed is what I'm taking from this.
It's easy to laugh at these loons, but sometimes you have to remind yourself how dangerous they are.
It's not so much that cops don't care. I think they usually like their jobs. The thing is all the paperwork if they have to shoot somebody... so much paperwork... they seem to hate that.
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It's not so much that cops don't care. I think they usually like their jobs. The thing is all the paperwork if they have to shoot somebody... so much paperwork... they seem to hate that.
I was referring to liberals.
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Anarchy and general social upheaval and unrest is the goal of every single DUmbass, as long as it doesn't disrupt their SSDI payment, or their access to MSNBC or the internet they are thrilled.
That's it, exactly.
I wish those services would be the first thing to get interrupted during civil disorders or strikes or governmental shutdowns. It'd teach the primitives a lesson.
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Typical liberal "critical thinking" which, as we all know, goes like this:
1) event takes place
2) what does liberal ideology tell me to believe
3) that's what I believe
Anyone see the word "truth" in there? No. And we won't. That's never part of the equation.
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Peter Johnson was on Fox & Friends this morning talking about this, and saying that the video is extremely relevant to the subsequent shooting. His reasoning is that the video, and the theft, can go a long way towards explaining Brown's state of mind at the time. That little tidbit will be used by the cop's attorney, or the city's attorney, to help determine why the round was fired in the police car (one witness has come forward, describing a 'struggle in the car'). As to the rounds fired at Brown as he tried to escape, well . . . that may be the cop's undoing.
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The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.
Lets argue of a moment that the Officer didn't know Mr. Brown was the suspect in the robbery and assault at a local convenience store minutes prior to the stop. The stop was conducted because Mr. Brown and Johnson were walking down the middle of the street. That is cause for the stop. Mr. Brown then allegedly assaults the police officer , a Class III felony, and tries to flee.
The law authorizes law enforcement officers to use deadly physical force only when they reasonably believe it is necessary to:
1. defend themselves or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or
2. make an arrest or prevent the escape from custody of a person whom they reasonably believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and, where feasible, they have given warning of their intent to use deadly physical force (CGS § 53a-22 (c)).
If Mr. Brown was indeed going for the Officer's weapon then the Officer was in threat of deadly physical force. That Mr. Brown then attempted to flee does not remove the criteria to use deadly force. The Police can assume that a person who assaults a police officer and tried to kill them would be a dangerous threat to the general public and so use of deadly force is authorized.
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The fellow robber's account sounded like bull shit from the start. The cop pulled a 300 pound kid into his car? Then Thug Brown got a way, was shot once, so he got on his knees, put his hands up and said "I don't have a gun." So now the cop unloads his clip into him?
Yeah I don't believe it.
Plus snitches get stitches.
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The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.
Lets argue of a moment that the Officer didn't know Mr. Brown was the suspect in the robbery and assault at a local convenience store minutes prior to the stop. The stop was conducted because Mr. Brown and Johnson were walking down the middle of the street. That is cause for the stop. Mr. Brown then allegedly assaults the police officer , a Class III felony, and tries to flee.
The law authorizes law enforcement officers to use deadly physical force only when they reasonably believe it is necessary to:
1. defend themselves or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or
2. make an arrest or prevent the escape from custody of a person whom they reasonably believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and, where feasible, they have given warning of their intent to use deadly physical force (CGS § 53a-22 (c)).
If Mr. Brown was indeed going for the Officer's weapon then the Officer was in threat of deadly physical force. That Mr. Brown then attempted to flee does not remove the criteria to use deadly force. The Police can assume that a person who assaults a police officer and tried to kill them would be a dangerous threat to the general public and so use of deadly force is authorized.
I stand corrected, Dutch. Thank you for the clarification.
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I stand corrected, Dutch. Thank you for the clarification.
It is difficult case law.
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The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.
Lets argue of a moment that the Officer didn't know Mr. Brown was the suspect in the robbery and assault at a local convenience store minutes prior to the stop. The stop was conducted because Mr. Brown and Johnson were walking down the middle of the street. That is cause for the stop. Mr. Brown then allegedly assaults the police officer , a Class III felony, and tries to flee.
The law authorizes law enforcement officers to use deadly physical force only when they reasonably believe it is necessary to:
1. defend themselves or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or
2. make an arrest or prevent the escape from custody of a person whom they reasonably believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and, where feasible, they have given warning of their intent to use deadly physical force (CGS § 53a-22 (c)).
If Mr. Brown was indeed going for the Officer's weapon then the Officer was in threat of deadly physical force. That Mr. Brown then attempted to flee does not remove the criteria to use deadly force. The Police can assume that a person who assaults a police officer and tried to kill them would be a dangerous threat to the general public and so use of deadly force is authorized.
When my wife asked why did the cop shoot instead of just radioing it in my response to her was that, as far as the cop was concerned, he could have figured that if the guy was crazy enough to attack a cop he could very well be crazy enough to harm and/or kill an innocent child.
My thoughts are that stirring all of this stuff up BEFORE an investigation is complete further demonizes cops and increases the likelihood of even more problems.
I realize that cops are just humans so there is going to be some bad apples, but personally, every cop that I've had the fortune (or misfortune) of dealing with so far have been polite and respectful. Of course, in each case I was polite and respectful to the cop.
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FERGUSON, Mo. -- Anger spurred by the death of a black teenager at the hands of white police officer boiled over again when protesters stormed into a Missouri convenience store - the same store that Michael Brown was accused of robbing.
Police and about 200 protesters clashed in Ferguson, Missouri late Friday after another tense day in the St. Louis suburb, a day that included authorities identifying the officer who fatally shot Brown on Aug. 9. At the same news conference in which officer Darren Wilson was named, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson released documents alleging that Brown stole a $48.99 box of cigars from the convenience store, then strong-armed a man on his way out.
Just before midnight, some in what had been a large and rowdy but mostly well-behaved crowd broke into that same small store and began looting it, said Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson.
Some in the crowd began throwing rocks and other objects at police, Johnson said. One officer was hurt but details on the injury were not immediately available.
Johnson said police backed off to try and ease the tension. He believes looting may have spread to a couple of nearby stores. No arrests were made.
"We had to evaluate the security of the officers there and also the rioters," Johnson said. "We just felt it was better to move back."
Family attorney Daryl Parks acknowledged that the man shown in the surveillance footage "appears to be" Brown. But he and others said Brown's family was blindsided by the allegations and release of the footage. They said that even if it was Brown, the crime didn't justify the shooting of a teen after he put up his hands in surrender to the officer, as witnesses allege.
Another family attorney, Benjamin Crump, said police "are choosing to disseminate information that is very strategic to try to help them justify the execution-style" killing, said Crump, who also represented the family of Trayvon Martin, the teenager fatally shot by a Florida neighborhood watch organizer who was later acquitted of murder.
The surveillance video appears to show a man wearing a ball cap, shorts and white T-shirt grabbing a much shorter man by his shirt near the store's door. A police report alleges that Brown grabbed the man who had come from behind the store counter and "forcefully pushed him back" into a display rack.
Police said they found evidence of the stolen merchandise on Brown's body.
Brown's family and supporters have been pushing for release of the officer's name. Wilson is a six-year police veteran - two in neighboring Jennings and four in Ferguson - and had no previous complaints filed against him, Jackson said.
The police chief described Wilson as "a gentle, quiet man" who had been "an excellent officer." Wilson has been on paid administrative leave since the shooting. St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch said it could be weeks before the investigation of the shooting wraps up.
St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley on Friday asked Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster to take over the case, saying he did not believe McCulloch could be objective. Koster said Missouri law does not allow it unless McCulloch opts out. McCulloch spokesman Ed Magee said McCulloch has no plans to surrender the case.
Also Friday, the Justice Department confirmed in a statement that FBI agents had conducted several interviews with witnesses as part of a civil-rights investigation into Brown's death. In the days ahead, the agents planned to canvass the neighborhood where the shooting happened, seeking more information, the statement said.
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sendero (26,658 posts)
25. I heard that the majority of the city being black.
..... but does not vote hence a white mayor and police dept.
An entire police dept is not "voted in," DUmmie. The fact is, the graduation rate for blacks is so bad there, nobody has the diploma to apply for police academy. Thanks, public schools.
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Of course... the witness who said that Brown put his hands up was the other robbery suspect.
:cheersmate: Bingo! But will the MSM connect those dots now that they've pretty much had to report that Brown was the muscle in a (literal) strong arm robbery? :cheersmate:
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Supposedly Mikey Brown double backed and ran at the officer. Sounds more and more like St. Trayvon.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/
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Supposedly Mikey Brown double backed and ran at the officer. Sounds more and more like St. Trayvon.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/
Another liberal saint bites the dust.
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Supposedly Mikey Brown double backed and ran at the officer. Sounds more and more like St. Trayvon.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/
Nice find. There was a mention of the possibility this kid was on drugs.
Someone else said this couldn't be this kids first rodeo either.
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Another liberal saint bites the dust.
That account also matches the cop's side of the story as well.
http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/
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The Ferguson authorities are trying to have a press conference with the Gov. and others and the audience isn't letting them talk much.
What a fiasco. They are going to try to put a curfew on the city.
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MynameisBlarney (1,735 posts)
11. That ain't how it works. You make the claim, YOU provide the evidence to back it up, if not....then shut your racist pie hole. There are a bunch of breitbart and drudge trolls on Raw Story saying the same stupid shit.
I say the same to them as I do to you. Cites, or STFU.
(http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fingers-in-ears.jpg)
la-la-la. Cites from the dAiLykOOk, or I can't hear you. la-la-la....