yurbud (33,921 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025211932
Why haven't any "open carry" activists been shot by cops like blacks waving wallets?
or a Latino kid walking around with a bb gun that looks like an assault rifle?
Blacks and Latinos WITHOUT real weapons are shot and killed on the suspicion that they MIGHT have them.
If I was a cop and I saw a bunch of guys walking into a business with assault rifles slung over their shoulders, I might reasonable assume they were going to rob it or go postal since you don't need an AR-15 to pick up items at Target or shovel food into your mouth at a restaurant.
I do not wish those idiots any harm. But if the cops take down one or several of them even once, they hardly have room to complain since it is a regular occurrence for non-whites SUSPECTED of having a gun.
ZombieHorde (26,708 posts)
3. Probably several reasons.
1) Open carry folks are generally white, which is a cop's favorite color.
2) Open carry folks are well armed, so they are a little harder to oppress.
3) Open carry folks seem less hippy like, and cops get boners when they punch hippies.
thesquanderer (1,502 posts)
48. Of course open carry folks are white.
Any black guy who open-carries might as well wear a t-shirt that says "Shoot me."
Because the only thing that stops a black guy with a gun is a white guy with a gun.
heaven05 (5,698 posts).
117. all this deflection
from the real point is BS. Yes of course black men have their CDL and thank goodness, some do. Yet the furniture store bullshit, is just that, if the people who were at BUNDYLAND were black and did what transpired over those weeks of standoff, most if not all would be dead today. That's the point that everyone wants to dance around on this issue concerning the 'open carry' by fearful whites of that brown tyrant in the white house. An admission of open racism by this country's police forces would be appreciated and then solutions on bringing this behavior to a halt, in this culture, would also help. This intellectualizing mess is sickening
MineralMan (65,167 posts)
4. I don't know. My first response, though, to seeing someone doing open carry in some place like Target is going to be to call 911. When the operator answers, I'll provide my name and location and say that there is an openly armed man or armed men at that location and that I'm very concerned for my safety and for the safety of others.
I will expect a squad car to show up, too. Frankly, I think everyone should adopt that response as a personal policy. Armed subject calls should always receive a police response, since nobody is qualified to know whether they are there with peaceful or dangerous intent. If asked for a description, I will give one. If asked for the race of the carrier, I will ask why that matters and request an ETA for the squad to arrive.
I guarantee that I will call. And I'm a older white man with a very serious demeanor in such cases. The police will respond if I call.
Llewlladdwr (2,156 posts)
7. Awesome idea!
Not only does it waste police resources, it harrasses people engaged in a lawful activity. It's a win-win!
MineralMan (65,167 posts)
8. You know what? I don't give a damn.
I do not know the intent of people I see who are openly armed in such a situation. I'm going to let the authorities figure that out. I'm guessing you wouldn't know their intent, either, unless you're part of the group.
If I see someone armed in a place like a business or public place, I'm making the call. They can explain their Second Amendment rights to the cops. How's that?
You can do as you please, too. I certainly will.
1StrongBlackMan (11,764 posts)
78. My Dad (R.I.P.) was a cop ...
Though he was , largely a Law and Order" type, he was far from what would now be considered conservative/republican.
My sister dates cops ... the most recent one was a Deputy Sheriff and SWAT member. We had a lively dinner time discussion about the 2nd Amendment and President Obama's being an existential threat to the "right to bear arms." It was my first time meeting him; but he no longer speaks to me because of the discussion that followed my asking him two questions:
1) When is President Obama going to start taking your "right" to have guns? And,
2) Why is gun ownership so very important?
To the former, he answered "he already has (per rush, beck and Levine)." I asked him to research it and get back to me.
The dialogue following his answer to the second question stills provides me with hours of amusement (4 years later), as I recall watching his head explode. He, of course, answered we need the right to bear private arms to "protect us from the government!"
I asked him: "Your SWAT, right?"
RW Cop Guy: "That's right!"
Me: "When you're on a SWAY call, you deal with some pretty bad characters ... Huh?"
RW Cop Guy: "That's right!
Me: "And most of those bad guys are armed when you go after them, right?"
RW Cop Guy: "That's right!"
(At this point my Mom threw me that 'Don't do this' look that moms across the world are known for, when they know something bad is about to happen.)
Me: "Let me ask you ... When you and your guys go through that bad guy's door, is there ever a question in your mind that, no matter how many guns that bad guy has, no matter how many bad guys are with the bad guy you're going after ... at the end of the day, you and your guys are going to be the only ones with the guns and that bad guy, and everyone that gets in your way is going to be in handcuffs, dead, or dying?
RW Cop Guy: "That's right ... we're good at what we do and we have no fear."
(Mom's head dipped a bit, knowing what was coming next, because this was why my Law and Order Dad wasn't big on the 2nd Amendment.)"
Me: "So, what makes you think YOUR having a gun is going to matter? When/if the government ever decides to get your guns, it's gun over!"
RW Cop Guy without saying another word ... Left the table and left the restaurant.
Llewlladdwr (2,156 posts)
7. Awesome idea!
Not only does it waste police resources, it harrasses people engaged in a lawful activity. It's a win-win!
Can someone explain the blackman's argument to me?
I mean... what? If the guns are all gone because the Government takes them all... it doesn't matter if police have guns? Is that his argument?
No wonder he walked away.
yurbud (33,921 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025211932
Why haven't any "open carry" activists been shot by cops like blacks waving wallets?
If I was a cop and I saw a bunch of guys walking into a business with assault rifles slung over their shoulders, I might reasonable assume they were going to rob it or go postal since you don't need an AR-15 to pick up items at Target or shovel food into your mouth at a restaurant.
heaven05 (5,698 posts)
117. all this deflectionfrom the real point is BS.
Yes of course black men have their CDL and thank goodness, some do.
Yet the furniture store bullshit, is just that, if the people who were at BUNDYLAND were black and did what transpired over those weeks of standoff, most if not all would be dead today.
That's the point that everyone wants to dance around on this issue concerning the 'open carry' by fearful whites of that brown tyrant in the white house. An admission of open racism by this country's police forces would be appreciated and then solutions on bringing this behavior to a halt, in this culture, would also help.
This intellectualizing mess is sickening
2) Why is gun ownership so very important?
To the former, he answered "he already has (per rush, beck and Levine)."
Blacks and Latinos WITHOUT real weapons are shot and killed on the suspicion that they MIGHT have them.
it is a regular occurrence for non-whites SUSPECTED of having a gun.
Cops can't hit the side of a bard
(http://www.play.net/images/professions/new/small_bard.jpg)
I come to your threads just for the spelling.
And no, I didn't understand Blackman's bouncy at all.
MineralMan (65,167 posts)
4. I'm a older white man with a very serious demeanor in such cases. The police will respond if I call.
Response to X_Digger (Reply #109)Tue Jul 8, 2014, 06:57 PM
heaven05 (5,706 posts)
117. all this deflection
from the real point is BS. Yes of course black men have their CDL and thank goodness, some do.
He's trying to make the case that since SWAT teams are so awesomely awesome it would be futile to keep weapons to resist the government. Since it would be futile you stupid gun-clingers might as well surrender your guns right now.
"So, what makes you think YOUR (the SWAT TEAM) having a gun is going to matter? When/if the government ever decides to get your guns, it's gun over!"
Unless he's in uniform or working behind the counter of a liquor store, open carry just makes a guy look like a silly nut, not a dangerous person.
Unless he's in uniform or working behind the counter of a liquor store, open carry just makes a guy look like a silly nut, not a dangerous person.
carry yourself respectfully, and nobody bats an eye.
Probably true. I've never lived in cowboy country.
But you can't read their minds, and most people don't bat an eye when they spot a harmless crackpot.
It doesn't bother me at all if a guy wants to go around with a five-pound Desert Eagle on his hip, or carrying a crate full of gerbils. Both should be legal, and neither one causes me to fear for my safety.
If you aren't acting like a jackass - like most of these "Open Carry Activist" clowns - you're absolutely wrong, sir. I have lived in 3 of the 4 "four corners" states (haven't had the misfortune to live in New Mexico yet) and open carried in all of 'em: carry yourself respectfully, and nobody bats an eye. :cheers1:
Well said.
I open carry regularly. Motorcycle rides and rallies, rodeos (including the Sheriff's Posse Rodeo), cookouts, evenings out, or going to town for coffee on Saturday morning.
My .45 or .357 is holstered in custom leather, and I don't dress like Tommy Tacticool, a slob, or a whigger. Nobody would mistake me for a clown.
I never have a problem. More people pay attention to Velvet than to me, anyway.
Common sense topic. I don't care where you live, don't try carrying a gun into any courthouse these days, you might get your ass shot. Ditto police departments, hospitals, banks, and especially schools. In fact, any public venue with lots of human traffic.
You're standing near the entry/exit doors at Wal-Mart. Two corn row-haired, gang-bang looking thugs walk in. They've got gang graffiti tattooed all over their anatomies. They each carry an exposed chrome-plated .45.
Your natural reaction is:
A. Get on your cell phone and call the police immediately.
B. Do nothing, because these guys are obviously constitutional scholars just testing the waters of open carry civil rights.
Common sense topic. I don't care where you live, don't try carrying a gun into any courthouse these days, you might get your ass shot. Ditto police departments, hospitals, banks, and especially schools. In fact, any public venue with lots of human traffic.
You're standing near the entry/exit doors at Wal-Mart. Two corn row-haired, gang-bang looking thugs walk in. They've got gang graffiti tattooed all over their anatomies. They each carry an exposed chrome-plated .45.
Your natural reaction is:
A. Get on your cell phone and call the police immediately.
B. Do nothing, because these guys are obviously constitutional scholars just testing the waters of open carry civil rights.
You're standing near the entry/exit doors at Wal-Mart. Two corn row-haired, gang-bang looking thugs walk in. They've got gang graffiti tattooed all over their anatomies. They each carry an exposed chrome-plated .45.
Your natural reaction is:
A. Get on your cell phone and call the police immediately.
B. Do nothing, because these guys are obviously constitutional scholars just testing the waters of open carry civil rights.
I'm your huckleberry. This is just my game.
To summarize your post, you said:
You see two men whom you do not observe breaking the law, but they are carrying firearms. Your natural reaction is:
1. Get on your cell phone and call the police immediately.
2. Do nothing.
Of course, there is a third option, to go about your business and maintain situational awareness; but you didn't offer that option, did you?
If you haven't noticed, we point and laugh at DUmmies for clutching their pearls at the idea of people carrying weapons in public. And here you have used the fallacy of the false dichotomy to set a DUmmy's snare for the upright citizens of the Cave.
Nice try.
Let's look closer at your choice A. What would that 911 call sound like?:
"911, what is your emergency?"
"I'm at WalMart, and two men just walked in with guns."
"Are they threatening anyone?"
"No, but they're really scary looking."
What kind of guns do they have?"
"Pistols. I can see them in the holsters."
"The men are carrying pistols in holsters, and they are not threatening anyone. Have you observed them to commit any crime?"
"No, but they're scary."
"Why are they scary, sir?"
"Because they look like they're in a gang. They have cornrows and tattoos."
"Let me see if I understand. You called 911 to report that two men with cornrows and tattoos are carrying firearms in holsters at WalMart, but they haven't threatened anyone or broken the law in your presence. What would you like the police to do?"
"I don't know, come out here before they do something."
"Sir, that is considered harassment. If the men are not breaking the law, the fact that you're frightened of them does not constitute a crime, and the police have no reason to contact them."
"Well, I think they're going to commit a crime."
"Why do you think that, sir?"
"I can't say."
"Why can't you say, sir?"
"Because, if I say why I think they're going to commit a crime, this 911 tape will end up on Inside Edition next week and Donald Sterling will be sending me a thank-you note."
Get the picture?
OoooooKaaay. Thanks for setting me straight on that one. I feel so humiliated and dirty. I think I'll go take a shower and scrub myself down lye soap.
I worked in PSYOPS. It was my job to drive people crazy.
Do you remember this? I do:
First impressions can be a difficult thing to overcome, Tom. You should not be surprised to find people don't trust you, given your first 50 posts here.
If you came to the Cave to have serious discussions about serious subjects, then there are plenty of us who will take part - even if you are honestly arguing from a different point of view. If you're here to point and laugh at the DUmpmonkeys, then pull up a chair and join the fun. If you want to tell a joke, talk about your favorite food or cigar, share pictures of cats, or talk guns, then there's plenty of that here, too. I enjoy all of those things, except for cat pictures.
But if you are here to piss on people's shoes, don't be surprised if you get pissed on in return. As I said, that's just my game.
Don't take yourself so seriously. You'll stroke out over nothing. Let me ask you, when your dog is driving the truck, are you back in the bed hopping from side to side, staring down the road at 65 mph, the wind whipping your hair, your tongue lolling out, with a huge smile fixed on your mush? I only let my dog drive the truck when we're off-road.
Don't take yourself so seriously. You'll stroke out over nothing. Let me ask you, when your dog is driving the truck, are you back in the bed hopping from side to side, staring down the road at 65 mph, the wind whipping your hair, your tongue lolling out, with a huge smile fixed on your mush? I only let my dog drive the truck when we're off-road.This thread was approximating the enjoyability of a nads thread until you came along like a wet blanket stick in the mud.
This thread was approximating the enjoyability of a nads thread until you came along like a wet blanket stick in the mud.
Our new friend Thomas is good at wetting the blanket, and sticking the mud.
Right. If I see any examples of acerbic wit or humor germane to the thread, I'll be sure and report it to the admins immediately, Big Cat. I know I certainly won't have to peruse your posts for any incriminating evidence.Was that an attempt at humor ?
Right. If I see any examples of acerbic wit or humor germane to the thread, I'll be sure and report it to the admins immediately, Big Cat. I know I certainly won't have to peruse your posts for any incriminating evidence.
Acerbic wit? What's your husband's name, Rick or Steve? Did you have two grooms on your cake and was it chocolate fudge?
Thomas writes for the Atlantic Quarterly. Freelance.
O-)
Thomas writes for the Atlantic Quarterly. Freelance.
O-)
Or the Atlanta Monthly...
definitely something with an A in it.
Or the Atlanta Monthly...
definitely something with an A in it.
OoooooKaaay. Thanks for setting me straight on that one. I feel so humiliated and dirty. I think I'll go take a shower and scrub myself down lye soap.
Thomas writes for the Atlantic Quarterly. Freelance.
O-)
You're standing near the entry/exit doors at Wal-Mart. Two corn row-haired, gang-bang looking thugs walk in. They've got gang graffiti tattooed all over their anatomies. They each carry an exposed chrome-plated .45.
Your natural reaction is:
A. Get on your cell phone and call the police immediately.
B. Do nothing, because these guys are obviously constitutional scholars just testing the waters of open carry civil rights.