rsmith6621 (6,835 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:03 PM
Just Maybe we Have To Much......
I was thinking earlier today that maybe part of our economic problem in the good ole USA is WE HAVE TO MUCH FREE MARKET.
And that has driven down economics for everyone. Think about what corporations paid in the 50s in taxes compared to now and small business florished. Now major-corps pay -tax% and prosperous small businesses are hardly no where to be found any more, but yet there are more small business now than before with the advent of this WWW thingy.
Anyone have a thought.
Skidmore (31,544 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:12 PM
2. We have too much of everything.
People don't need the level of consumption we have here to survive. There was a time when not every person was required to work in the work force and one income could support a family. Expectations were lower then and things had real value and were passed on to the next generation because they lasted. There were not a gazillion varieties of every given toiletry item or kitchen gadget or toy known to man (most, might I add, supporting the petrochemical industry because otherwise what would we do with the sludge produced after fuel is obtained?). We need to ratchet down our consumption.
Consumption of every little doodad out there continues to inflate the corporate bubble. If our infrastructure would collapse tomorrow--particularly the electrical grid--we would be in a world of hurt because of the way we produce and use products. Think of what you purchase and if you really need it for survival.
Free markets are consumer driven, contrary to popular believe. The "makers" wouldn't have squat if people didn't buy.
AngryAmish (20,770 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:16 PM
3. Jimmy Carter deregulated both the rails and trucks.
But left basic safety, hours of service, etc. Regulated. The US has the cheapest goods transit on earth.
Some regulation. No more books of tariffs.
elleng (48,094 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:24 PM
4. and beginning 'deregulation,'
ended up dooming us all. For capitalism to thrive, it must be regulated.
President Carter's deregulation of transportation was only a beginning, in those spheres; much more was to follow.
AngryAmish (20,770 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:30 PM
5. However much flying sucks nowadays
It is available to 90% of Americans. Before deregulation it was available to 20 % of Americans.
That I like.
Do you like fruit in winter? I do. not available in the 1970s.
elleng (48,094 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:43 PM
6. I doubt that 20% number is correct;
I recall those days, many flew, numbers increased every year, and airlines largely stayed financially sound, without charging passengers for hauling our luggage and preferring business travelers.
Winter/fruit relates how? Railroads and motor carriers did have refrigerated cars before, and they still fight over freight charges, just in different fora, and small carriers suffer from consolidation which has become much easier to accomplish.
AngryAmish (20,770 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:16 PMSpoken like someone who has never had to pay $750 for a tank of diesel fuel.
The US has the cheapest goods transit on earth.
AngryAmish (20,770 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:30 PM
5. However much flying sucks nowadays
It is available to 90% of Americans. Before deregulation it was available to 20 % of Americans.
That I like.
Do you like fruit in winter? I do. not available in the 1970s.
Skidmore (31,544 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:12 PM
2. We have too much of everything.
People don't need the level of consumption we have here to survive.
Skidmore (31,544 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:12 PM
2. We have too much of everything.
I agree that we do have too much stuff.
Free markets are consumer driven, contrary to popular believe. The "makers" wouldn't have squat if people didn't buy.
elleng (48,094 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:24 PM
4. and beginning 'deregulation,'
ended up dooming us all. For capitalism to thrive, it must be regulated. :o
President Carter's deregulation of transportation was only a beginning, in those spheres; much more was to follow.
The problem here is how a DUmmy follows up with his stupid a$$ theories.
for example:
We probably have too much stuff.
The DUmmy solution will always be: We need to take things away from you. (also known as redistribution).
The problem here is how a DUmmy follows up with his stupid a$$ theories.
for example:
We probably have too much stuff.
The DUmmy solution will always be: We need to take things away from you. (also known as redistribution)
Now this is not something that can be done in a free society. That will not deter the little socialist b@$tard, as he is not a fan of freedom in the first place. Taking things away from people is ultimately what a DUmmy wants. Hence the universal cry to disarm the law abiding. Only with an unarmed populace can a democrat fulfill his tyrannical dreams.
Thus we see the DUmmies squirm in their pathetic impotence.
Skidmore (31,544 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:12 PM
2. We have too much of everything.
If you believe you have too much, then unburden yourself. How much, or how little, I choose to own- or can afford to purchase - is none of your ****ing business.
A special message for the skidmark primitive*:
What do you mean "WE", Shit For Brains?
If you believe you have too much, then unburden yourself. How much, or how little, I choose to own- or can afford to purchase - is none of your ****ing business.(http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/johnny_cash_flipping_the_bird_middle_finger.jpg)
Johnny Cash is cool, but let's really piss on the DUmmies.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/thundley4/tedcruz_zps502041d0.jpg)
*Lurking DUmmies are encouraged to pass the word.
rsmith6621 (6,835 posts) Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:03 PM
Just Maybe we Have To Much......
I was thinking earlier today that maybe part of our economic problem in the good ole USA is WE HAVE TO MUCH FREE MARKET.
And that has driven down economics for everyone. Think about what corporations paid in the 50s in taxes compared to now and small business florished. Now major-corps pay -tax% and prosperous small businesses are hardly no where to be found any more, but yet there are more small business now than before with the advent of this WWW thingy.
Anyone have a thought.
I do, as a matter of fact. My thought is that you are an ignorant buffoon, unintentionally amusing us all with your mindless blather and clumsy pratfalls. Beyond a purely technical legal fiction useful to accountants, businesses do not pay taxes, their customers pay the taxes, whether they are incorporated or ma-and-pa. Every dime they pay uncle is rolled into the price you pay to them for their goods or services.
You are an idiot, rsmithnumbers, and can never hope to be more than the feckless piece of driftwood that you show yourself to be now. You should just kill yourself and save fate the trouble.
primitives think...
Please be nice to DUmmy rsmithnumbers.
He's been gone a long time, and no one at the DUmp can match his bouncy tales.
He's as dumb as Amber, but with far more imagination.
We need to encourage him to stay around and spin his magic.
The kitchen measures 26' x 32', which I imagine is pretty good.Your kitchen was larger than my last apartment.
Your kitchen was larger than my last apartment.
I imagine primitives, given their propensity to collect stuff just for the sake of having stuff, if primitives lived here, the kitchen would be crammed full of things, things they really don't need or use. And it'd be pretty dirty too.
AngryAmish
Do you like fruit in winter? I do. not available in the 1970s.
I think this old picture I got off the cooking and baking forum supports your argument very well, especially considering that odd sign that the DUmmy actually posted in THE KITCHEN.
(http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r786/lastparker/DUmmyKitchen_zps57d774e1.jpg) (http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/lastparker/media/DUmmyKitchen_zps57d774e1.jpg.html)
Oh, so that must be why all the grocery stores used to shut down the produce section during the wintertime in the 70's.
:mental:
What in the world is this nutter blathering on about?
I think this old picture I got off the cooking and baking forum supports your argument very well, especially considering that odd sign that the DUmmy actually posted in THE KITCHEN.
I guess, some times a hearing impairment just isn't enough. :-)
They did this for three and a half days, besides all the usual standard typical girl-gabbing.
Myself, though, I got rather burned out on women for a couple of weeks afterwards.
The telling sign--the one in the upper left corner. :puke:
It looks like a pile of snot.The sign:
PLEASE USE THE TRASH CONTAINER FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN TOILET TISSUE.
The sign:
Behind the wallet and the glass. They need reminding.
I guess, some times a hearing impairment just isn't enough. :-)
I agree that we do have too much stuff. But I see the real costs of living being government made. Rules, laws, regulations, taxes, licenses, insurances, that make life difficult for the middle class.
This reminds me. Only primitives, and only primitives, upon coming here and seeing there's no television, no radio, no stereo, no VCR player (or whatever), and that this computer doesn't do movies or songs, have ever complained, "Oh, there's nothing to do here."
Decent and civilized people have no trouble finding things to do here.
I'm reminded of December 2012--the December before this last one--when the femme decided she was going to do her Christmas baking here, instead of at her place. It made sense; the kitchen here's big and there's plenty of room to do a lot of things.....not to mention that when one's done, it's easier than Hades to clean up.
She came here with a friend from high school whom she hadn't seen for eleven years, and another friend of hers from the big city. I disremember why, but by coincidence there was a fourth woman here at the same time.
So.....they came to do Christmas baking, and baked up a storm.
In the meantime, the clouds had unloaded several feet of snow; they were stuck here.
They were stuck here three and a half days.
During which time they baked every sort of Christmas cookie imaginable, in varieties and quantities for which they hadn't planned (but happily all the ingredients were here).
They did this for three and a half days, besides all the usual standard typical girl-gabbing.
I spent most of the time reading.
At night, it was as if a slumber-party, all these late-20s, early-30s females indulging in whatever teenaged girls do at slumber-parties. (I spent most of the time reading, so didn't pay much attention.)
They still insist it was sheer joy, being stranded here where "there's nothing to do." They wanted to try it again this past December, but by then Nebraska was locked in the worse Ice Age since the beginning of time, and so it wasn't possible; just too damned cold.
Myself, though, I got rather burned out on women for a couple of weeks afterwards.
What's too much?
Cindie
That is the easiest answer in the world. To a liberal, "too much" is:Some would quote Marx.
More than me.
What's too much? Who gets to decide? If you've worked hard for what you have, even if others think it's too much, how should we deal with that? There are ways to reduce people's income (or take what they already have) so they won't have too much but all of them involve the government taking from people what isn't there's to take.
Cindie
I agree that we do have too much stuff.
There's no difference between "stuff" and money, just two different forms of wealth.
Agreed, but where does that leave people like Judy the Addled grasswipe, who has lots of "stuff"?
It's her stuff. More accurately, it's her wealth, her expression of the natural right of Property.Libs want to share stuff, just not theirs. They want everyone else to be forced to at the threat of a gun. About that they are rarely contradictory.
A hoarding DUmmy is naturally contradictory; but DUmmies are naturally contradictory about a lot of things.
Dori,
I didn't think I'd have to say the same thing to a conservative that I'd say to a DUmmy, but I do.
If you believe you have too much, unburden yourself.
Agreed, but where does that leave people like Judy the Addled grasswipe, who has lots of "stuff"?