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KoKo (76,266 posts) Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:44 PM
WTF? Cutting Off Water to Citizens of Detroit?
Published on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 by Common Dreams
Groups Appeal to UN for 'Humanity' as Detroit Shuts Off Water to Thousands
'By denying water service to thousands, Detroit is violating the human right to water.'
- Sarah Lazare, staff writer
(Image: Wikimedia / CC)As thousands of people in Detroit go without water, and the city moves to cut off services to tens of thousands more, concerned organizations have taken the unusual step of appealing to the United Nations to intervene and protect the "human right to water."
“After decades of policies that put businesses and profits ahead of the public good, the city now has a major crisis on its hands, said Maude Barlow, founder of Blue Planet Project and board chair of Food & Water Watch, in a statement. “By denying water service to thousands, Detroit is violating the human right to water."
*blah, blah, blah*
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025118923
gollygee (15,009 posts)
3. How the people of Detroit are being treated
and how they have been treated for decades is nothing short of shameful. And state-wide I don't think people in Michigan overall have much compassion for the people of Detroit. It's really painfully sad.
The people of Detroit brought it on themselves. Who has ran Detroit into the ground for decades?
valerief (39,600 posts)
4. God, this is sooooooo third world. Is Detroit a pilot city for the rest of America?
Maybe Canada will invade Detroit and turn the water back on.
Can they take over Chicago while they're at it?
awoke_in_2003 (23,394 posts)
35. "Is Detroit a pilot city for the rest of America?"
Yep.
It is if you DUmmies and the rest of the left get your way.
Demo_Chris (6,182 posts)
6. I must be missing something. Everywhere I have lived, you don't pay your water or power...
They cut it off. Why should the people of Detroit be an exception?
Get with the program,DUmmie, everything should be free.
truth2power (7,714 posts)
7. What I would like to say to you would get my post hidden, for sure...
Truth to power isn't liked by truth2power.
Demo_Chris (6,182 posts)
24. Control yourself answer the question...
Every place I have lived, every single one, you either pay your utilities or they cut you off. No exceptions. I've had them cut off myself. I have a friend who loses his seems like every winter. It's not unique to Detroit, it would be weird if it wasn't that way.
So what do you propose? Should the citizens of Detroit be on the "Pay if you feel like it" plan?
Star Member Ed Suspicious (2,666 posts)
44. When your city is gutted by fleeing industry, you have to make some exceptions. The government
should be in service of serving the people. People need water. What happens when one's water is cut off. I've had my power cut off, but you live days without water, that's it. It could literally be a death sentence to the destitute.
The city was gutted by politicians gouging the businesses. Politicians that were elected by people wanting "free shit".
Proud Liberal Dem (13,078 posts)
19. They'd make us pay for air
if they can figure out a way to do it.
Obama is working on that.
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Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:09 PM
Star Member sabrina 1 (44,514 posts)
Water should be free, but remember a few years ago when it was predicted that 'water would be the new oil' once the vultures figured out how profitable it would be to control it?
We all live at the mercy of Big Water.
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So.....can somebody tell me?
When was the last time Republicans ran Detroit?
I'll bet it was before any of us were even born.
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So.....can somebody tell me?
When was the last time Republicans ran Detroit?
I'll bet it was before any of us were even born.
The last Repuke mayor left office in 1962 and went to prison.
Like most major cities, Detroit has always been run by crooks, regardless of party.
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The last Repuke mayor left office in 1962 and went to prison.
Like most major cities, Detroit has always been run by crooks, regardless of party.
Forget the mayor; the mayor's just window dressing.
When was the last time Republicans 100% ran everything--rather than sharing--in Detroit, like the Democrats have been running everything, 100% of it, since, well, maybe since God was a boy.
A mayor's nothing.
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KoKo (76,266 posts) Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:44 PM
WTF? Cutting Off Water to Citizens of Detroit?
Published on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 by Common Dreams
Groups Appeal to UN for 'Humanity' as Detroit Shuts Off Water to Thousands
'By denying water service to thousands, Detroit is violating the human right to water.'
- Sarah Lazare, staff writer
(Image: Wikimedia / CC)As thousands of people in Detroit go without water, and the city moves to cut off services to tens of thousands more, concerned organizations have taken the unusual step of appealing to the United Nations to intervene and protect the "human right to water."
“After decades of policies that put businesses and profits ahead of the public good, the city now has a major crisis on its hands, said Maude Barlow, founder of Blue Planet Project and board chair of Food & Water Watch, in a statement. “By denying water service to thousands, Detroit is violating the human right to water."
The city is cutting off service to the water not access to it. In turd-world countries without indoor plumbing the people there will grab a bucket, go to where the water is, bring it home and repeat as necessary. Detroit has a river running between it and Windsor, I suggest to the people who have had their water cut-off to either pay their bills or buy a bucket and get to steppin'.
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Tell the truth, signing gorilla primitive. Let me help you:
KoKo the signing gorilla primitive(76,266 posts) Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:44 PM
WTF? Democrats Cutting Off Water to Citizens of Detroit?
Published on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 by Common Dreams
Groups Appeal to UN for 'Humanity' as Detroit Democrats Shuts Off Water to Thousands
'By denying water service to thousands, corrupt Democrat Detroit is violating the human right to water.' expectation that we should get free stuff
- Sarah Lazare, staff writer
(Image: Wikimedia / CC)As thousands of people in Detroit go without water, and the corrupt Democrat city moves to cut off services to tens of thousands more, concerned organizations have taken the unusual step of appealing to the United Nations to intervene and protect the "human right to water" expectation that we should get free stuff
“After decades of corrupt Democrat policies that put businesses and profits ahead of the public good, the city now has a major crisis on its hands, said Maude Barlow, founder of Blue Planet Project and board chair of Food & Water Watch collectivist moonbat, in a statement. “By denying water service to thousands, corrupt Democrat Detroit is violating the human right to water expectation that we should get free stuff."
Feel betrayed by your masters yet, DUmmies?
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Don`t pay your bills then don`t expect people to provide you with product/service.
****ing useless parasites. :bird:
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Did I say Cliven Bundy? I meant to say Detroit.
KoKo (76,266 posts)
WTF? Cutting Off Water to Citizens of Detroit?
Published on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 by Common Dreams
Groups Appeal to UN for 'Humanity' as Detroit Shuts Off Water to Thousands
'By denying water service to thousands, Detroit is violating the human right to water.'
- Sarah Lazare, staff writer
(Image: Wikimedia / CC)As thousands of people in Detroit go without water, and the city moves to cut off services to tens of thousands more, concerned organizations have taken the unusual step of appealing to the United Nations to intervene and protect the "human right to water."
“After decades of policies that put businesses and profits ahead of the public good, the city now has a major crisis on its hands, said Maude Barlow, founder of Blue Planet Project and board chair of Food & Water Watch, in a statement. “By denying water service to thousands, Detroit is violating the human right to water."
The Submission to the Special Rapporteur was released Wednesday by the Detroit People’s Water Board, the Blue Planet Project, the Michigan Welfare Rights Organization and Food & Water Watch.
It calls for the "state of Michigan and U.S. government to respect the human right to water and sanitation" and for shut-offs to be halted, services restored, and water to be made accessible and affordable.
The report comes on the heels of the Detroit's city council's Tuesday approval of an 8.7 percent increase in water rates, part of a long-standing trend that, according to Food & Water Watch, has seen prices increase 119 percent over the past decade.
This rate hike follows an announcement in March by the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department that it would start turning off water for accounts that are past due. According to a late May Director's Report from the DWSD, there were "44,273 shut-off notices sent to customers in April 2014" alone, resulting in "3,025 shut-offs for nonpayment, and additional collections of $400,000."
Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr, who was appointed to power by Michigan Governor Rick Snyder in March 2013, has aggressively pursued privatization and austerity measures across the city. "Nothing is off the chopping block, including water utilities, which are being considered for regionalization, sale, lease, and/or public private partnership and are currently subject to mediation by a federal district judge," reads the report.
"The Detroit People’s Water Board fears that authorities see people’s unpaid water bills as a 'bad debt' and want to sweeten the pot for a private investor by imposing even more of the costs of the system on those least able to bear them," the report continues.
struggling with high unemployment, a poverty rate near 40 percent, and a foreclosure crisis that has devastated and displaced people across the city, hitting Detroit's African American community especially hard.
"When delinquent corporate water lines are still running without collection of funds, it demonstrates a level of intentional disparity that devalues the lives of the people struggling financially," said Lila Cabbil, President Emeritus of the Rosa Parks Institute, which is part of the People’s Water Board. "Where is our compassion? Where is our humanity?"
_http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/06/18-7
The UN, huh?
That's be a good way to get a bunch of blue hats filled full of holes.
gollygee (15,011 posts)
3. How the people of Detroit are being treated
and how they have been treated for decades is nothing short of shameful. And state-wide I don't think people in Michigan overall have much compassion for the people of Detroit. It's really painfully sad.
Because the people of Detroit willingly and greedily gobbled up the bullshit fed to them by the Dems.
Demo_Chris (6,183 posts)
6. I must be missing something. Everywhere I have lived, you don't pay your water or power...
They cut it off. Why should the people of Detroit be an exception?
truth2power (7,714 posts)
7. What I would like to say to you would get my post hidden, for sure...
<sigh>
Demo_Chris (6,183 posts)
24. Control yourself answer the question...
Every place I have lived, every single one, you either pay your utilities or they cut you off. No exceptions. I've had them cut off myself. I have a friend who loses his seems like every winter. It's not unique to Detroit, it would be weird if it wasn't that way.
So what do you propose? Should the citizens of Detroit be on the "Pay if you feel like it" plan?
Ed Suspicious (2,670 posts)
44. When your city is gutted by fleeing industry, you have to make some exceptions. The government
should be in service of serving the people. People need water. What happens when one's water is cut off. I've had my power cut off, but you live days without water, that's it. It could literally be a death sentence to the destitute.
And of course water just magically materializes.
WCLinolVir (757 posts)
47. How about they manage a public resource and charge accordingly.
And with this model in mind, corporations pay more since they are making profits off of a public resource. And we have a system that takes into account the ability of people to pay.
Gee, you make corporations sound so necessary to the life of the people.
Maybe you should stop chasing them away.
Demo_Chris (6,183 posts)
68. So your solution...
The corporations that haven't fled to pay more (thus encouraging them to leave), and the non-existent taxpayers to pick up the slack, all so that Detroit can implement a "pay if you feel like it" plan. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
And when the last remaining water line fails because there's no money to repair it, what magical solution will you offer? Detroit's problem is that they have a major city's worth of streets and plumbing and wires and vacant buildings, but little money to do anything but slow the inevitable collapse. They can't even afford to put out the fires. The city, just like the people who live there, is broke.
WinkyDink (40,577 posts)
79. "there's no money." I love that one! Especially when I think of the Pentagon!
The only thing the Pentagon should do about Detroit is put it out of its misery.
Welibs (157 posts)
8. That's TREASONOUS!
What?
WinkyDink (40,577 posts)
9. And this, folks, is why the 1% want to own our water.
Why would anyone want to own a resource the consumers don't pay for?
joeglow3 (4,985 posts)
28. There is a significant cost that goes into getting purified water to your house
To expect it to be free is not reasonable.
I would like to see general taxes pay for more, but there needs to be a cost based on usage. If not, people would water the shit out of their lawn, waste water while showering, etc. by charging something, it provides an incentive for people to not be wasteful.
WCLinolVir (757 posts)
50. Really, it's filtered? I suppose technically it is.
With all the crap that is in our municipal supply, it has been deemed not safe for people with immune disorders.
joeglow3 (4,985 posts)
55. Then I invite you to drink directly out of a river or pond
Good luck with that.
WCLinolVir (757 posts)
69. If it had not been polluted, I would.
The polluting industries provided union jobs.
Buzz Clik (30,627 posts)
21. This thread is truly ridiculous.
What would be the monthly bill for water and sewage? $25? $50? Even if it were $100 per month, those who are delinquent have chosen other things as higher priorities. These customers are not being denied the "human right" to water, they are being denied free water.
Pay your bill, and the water comes on. Do without something that won't kill you if you don't have it -- you cannot live without water, so pay your bill.
This is not difficult.
And on it goes.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025118923
Remember: Cliven Bundy was a traitor who deserved to be gunned down by US troops because he didn't pay a million dollars for grass growing in the wild but people expect water treatment plants, piping infrastructure and the manpower to keep it all running to be provided for free.
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- Sarah Lazare, staff writer
(Image: Wikimedia / CC)As thousands of people in Detroit go without water, and the city moves to cut off services to tens of thousands more, concerned, dumbass organizations have taken the ridiculous, meaningless step of appealing to the United Nations to intervene and protect the "human right to water."
“After decades of Liberal/Progressive policies that put welfare recipients ahead of the public good, the city now has a major crisis on its hands, said Maude Barlow, founder of Blue Planet Project and board chair of Food & Water Watch, in a statement. “By denying water service to thousands, Detroit is violating the human right to water."
*blah, blah, blah*
Fixed it for the shit-heads.
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Whoa.
Wait.
What?
The buzzy one, the "Buzz Clik" primitive's, back?
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Star Member Ed Suspicious (2,666 posts)
44. When your city is gutted by fleeing industry, you have to make some exceptions. The government
should be in service of serving the people. People need water. What happens when one's water is cut off. I've had my power cut off, but you live days without water, that's it. It could literally be a death sentence to the destitute.
A case of water at Walmart is $3.48 ::)
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A case of water at Walmart is $3.48 ::)
put a barrell under the downspout... that's free
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put a barrell under the downspout... that's free
I ain't drinking nothing that comes from a Detroit rain cloud :rotf:
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the the DUmmy OP
The report comes on the heels of the Detroit's city council's Tuesday approval of an 8.7 percent increase in water rates, part of a long-standing trend that, according to Food & Water Watch, has seen prices increase 119 percent over the past decade.
The DUmmies seem to be blind to the fact that in the last decade all of the increases in water rates were voted on by the Detroit City Council, all democrats, not the GOP.
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I am reviewing my utility bill right now.
Gas was $10.00
Electric was $142.57
Water was $17.92
Sewer $11.87
Fire $31.70
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Total $216.31
If this is how their bills are in Detroit then I bet they can't pay their ac or heat portion. They are just using that "we are going to die without water" crap to keep getting free utilities. Our utility company can't turn off your utilities for non-payment if the temps are too high or too low. So those that don't pay get to suck off the one's that do because rates increase.
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I am reviewing my utility bill right now.
Gas was $10.00
Electric was $142.57
Water was $17.92
Sewer $11.87
Fire $31.70
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Total $216.31
If this is how their bills are in Detroit then I bet they can't pay their ac or heat portion. They are just using that "we are going to die without water" crap to keep getting free utilities. Our utility company can't turn off your utilities for non-payment if the temps are too high or too low. So those that don't pay get to suck off the one's that do because rates increase.
Gas + Electric <$115 It was nice weather, not too hot and not too cold.
Water + Sewer @$15/month
Fire ~WTF is that?
Cable/Internet @$275 :whistling:
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WCLinolVir (757 posts)
47. How about they manage a public resource and charge accordingly.
And with this model in mind, corporations pay more since they are making profits off of a public resource. And we have a system that takes into account the ability of people to pay.
That sounds similar to "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".
Where have I heard that before...
CMD
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Fire ~WTF is that?
I'd lay odds she's in a place that has pay-for-service Fire Department. Rural-Metro Fire or some such...
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Cable/Internet @$275 :whistling:
That's what mine looked like before I cancelled it.
The only time I've had a water bill more than $30 was when there was a problem with the plumbing.
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Hey - where do you people live? I'm moving. My last water bill was just under $200.00 and I was HAPPY. I don't use my sprinklers and we're a family of 4. I've had a plumber out and checked the needle on the meter - can't find a leak anywhere.
OK...back to the ludicrous DUmp postings...... as Gina said, A case of water at Walmart is $3.48 ::)
Yes it is! And when you swipe Uncle Sam's debit card, it's really free.
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Hey - where do you people live? I'm moving. My last water bill was just under $200.00 and I was HAPPY. I don't use my sprinklers and we're a family of 4. I've had a plumber out and checked the needle on the meter - can't find a leak anywhere.
OK...back to the ludicrous DUmp postings...... as Gina said,
Yes it is! And when you swipe Uncle Sam's debit card, it's really free.
$200 water bill? Is that for a year? That's more than I pay in a year. Even the couple of years we had a small pool in the backyard and filled it, our bill never got close to that.
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Hey - where do you people live? I'm moving. My last water bill was just under $200.00 and I was HAPPY. I don't use my sprinklers and we're a family of 4. I've had a plumber out and checked the needle on the meter - can't find a leak anywhere.
OK...back to the ludicrous DUmp postings...... as Gina said,
Yes it is! And when you swipe Uncle Sam's debit card, it's really free.
Our water and sewer cost nothing for service. But we are also on septic and well.
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That's what mine looked like before I cancelled it.
The only time I've had a water bill more than $30 was when there was a problem with the plumping.
:lol:
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http://www.discussionist.com/101585667
It is now on the discussionist. Betcha you wish you could post there.
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:lol:
I got a new computer with a different keyboard. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
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Detroit is a gold standard of Epic Failure.
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Feel betrayed by your masters yet, DUmmies?
Never. There is always someone rich to blame.
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Hey - where do you people live? I'm moving. My last water bill was just under $200.00 and I was HAPPY. I don't use my sprinklers and we're a family of 4. I've had a plumber out and checked the needle on the meter - can't find a leak anywhere.
There is no way your water should be that much. I constantly am doing laundry, husband takes long ass showers, dishwasher is always running and yard is always being watered all day and night (I always forget to turn the water off before bed). It's never been near what you have! I have attached a list of my water charges for the past year or so for water.
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Yikes. I wish I knew what to do - had a plumber crawl all under the house, and I've watched the needle stay still for hours until I run in and flush a toilet. Unless there's something leaking only when it runs.... My thought is that the meter itself is bad, but of course the City does nothing.
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Yikes. I wish I knew what to do - had a plumber crawl all under the house, and I've watched the needle stay still for hours until I run in and flush a toilet. Unless there's something leaking only when it runs.... My thought is that the meter itself is bad, but of course the City does nothing.
How many gallons per month are they saying you use? You could try keeping a daily log of the meter readings to see if it jumps atdifferent times.
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Yikes - I feel like I'm threadjacking. But I need the advice so......
My most recent bill, and the lowest I've received in a while, came to $176.74.
The usage period is: 4/18/14-6/9/14 so, not quite 2 months.
Usage: 10,472 gallons
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Mine ended up being a leaking flapper on a toilet and a leaky valve going to a hose spigot outside. It was running constantly, but at least you could hear it.
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Yikes - I feel like I'm threadjacking. But I need the advice so......
My most recent bill, and the lowest I've received in a while, came to $176.74.
The usage period is: 4/18/14-6/9/14 so, not quite 2 months.
Usage: 10,472 gallons
The average American family of four uses 400 gallons of water per day. On average, approximately 70 percent of that water is used indoors, with the bathroom being the largest consumer (a toilet alone can use 27 percent!).
http://www.epa.gov/WaterSense/pubs/indoor.html
You're well below that. Is your bill in gallons or cubic feet? There are 7.48 gallons in 1 cubic foot and our bill is for cubic feet.
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http://www.epa.gov/WaterSense/pubs/indoor.html
You're well below that. Is your bill in gallons or cubic feet? There are 7.48 gallons in 1 cubic foot and our bill is for cubic feet.
They show hundreds of cubic feet and gallons: 14 CCF and 10,472 gallons
Water: $73.86
Sewer: $52.14
Wastewater treatment: $49.70
Late fee: $1.04 (yeah, they've been so huge I pay them piecemeal)
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They show hundreds of cubic feet and gallons: 14 CCF and 10,472 gallons
Water: $73.86
Sewer: $52.14
Wastewater treatment: $49.70
Late fee: $1.04 (yeah, they've been so huge I pay them piecemeal)
I would talk to some neighbors or other people in the area to see what their bills are, because that sure seems like they are charging way too much.
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I would talk to some neighbors or other people in the area to see what their bills are, because that sure seems like they are charging way too much.
Thanks!
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They show hundreds of cubic feet and gallons: 14 CCF and 10,472 gallons
Water: $73.86
Sewer: $52.14
Wastewater treatment: $49.70
Late fee: $1.04 (yeah, they've been so huge I pay them piecemeal)
10,000 gallons for a family of four would sound about right if you got two teenagers, wash a lot of clothes and have an old toilet.
From this website:
Leak Detection:
A good method to check for leaks is to examine your winter water usage. It's likely that a family of four has a serious leak problem if its winter water use exceeds 12,000 gallons per month.
http://www.epa.gov/WaterSense/pubs/fixleak.html (http://www.epa.gov/WaterSense/pubs/fixleak.html)
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Well, we have just about established that indoor plumbing water (free) is a basic human right.
Next frontier, air conditioning.
It's a basic human right. And I don't mean in the wintertime.
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The average American family of four uses 400 gallons of water per day. On average, approximately 70 percent of that water is used indoors, with the bathroom being the largest consumer (a toilet alone can use 27 percent!).
Whereas the average DUmmy family of four uses eight gallons of water a day.
How do they do it?
1. Use their neighbor's yards as toilets, and poop on police cars.
2. Never wash clothes
3. Never wash dishes
4. Never wash themselves
Filthy, stinking DUmmies.
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^Post of the day.
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Around here, sewer charges are linked to water usage.
However, exceptions are made for such things as filling swimming pools and undetected leaks in underground water lines. The water district gives credit on a case-by-case basis.