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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: formerlurker on February 15, 2014, 03:56:23 PM
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A lot of blah blah blah about teachers with one misfits pouring gasoline all over the place. The post worthy of bringing over:
Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #1)
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:37 PM
Star Member WilliamPitt (56,283 posts)
48. I was paid $25K a year when I taught high school.
You are wrong.
Ah Mr. Pitt. You made $25K a year in Boston Public School system? :rotf:
Of course this means you were a substitute, which in MA you don't need a degree for ($60-80/day), or a long-term sub.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024481614#post1
Teachers work 180-185 days per year. Get paid well for the most part, have good benefits and after 3 years (or whatever tenure mark is in their state) have a job for life. Are there teachers who are worth their weight in gold (and are thus underpaid?) - ABSOLUTELY.
I wish most states would move to a merit raise system for the teaching profession.
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According the the BLS, the average salary for a high school teacher in Boston is $69,770. Not bad with the guaranteed 12 plus week vacation they get per year.
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Way back in the late 70's teachers at my high school were making 17-25K per year. It was a small district, too.
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Ah Mr. Pitt. You made $25K a year in Boston Public School system?
Of course this means you were a substitute, which in MA you don't need a degree for ($60-80/day), or a long-term sub.
Not bad, since one DUmmy claims to be a registered nurse making $24K working full time.
But of course the drunken Pitt, done in by an unwholesome attraction to his pubescent female students, was drummed from the junior high substituting profession forever.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4584820
Ever since, DUmmy Raven has had to front 100% of his living expense, instead of just 75%.
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The median salary plus benefits for a school teacher in my area is $81k annually.
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The median salary plus benefits for a school teacher in my area is $81k annually.
Chicago, I believe, is slightly over 100K. Ridiculous and they're still bitching.
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Not bad, since one DUmmy claims to be a registered nurse making $24K working full time.
But of course the drunken Pitt, done in by an unwholesome attraction to his pubescent female students, was drummed from the junior high substituting profession forever.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4584820
Ever since, DUmmy Raven has had to front 100% of his living expense, instead of just 75%.
Seems all the dummies can never make any money in their chosen profession... even government.
Wonder why that is? :mental:
We all know the answer. Dummies are losers. The whole lot of them.
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Chicago, I believe, is slightly over 100K. Ridiculous and they're still bitching.
A hundredk a year.... That is not right...
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Chicago, I believe, is slightly over 100K. Ridiculous and they're still bitching.
Yeah, but the monkeys they're teaching are armed and dangerous.
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A hundredk a year.... That is not right...
Or to put it equal to a person in the private sector that gets four weeks off (three vacation and one week holidays). Teacher gets two weeks Christmas, one week spring break, a week more of holiday we don't and the twelve weeks for summer for a total of 17 weeks off.
52-4=48 Private sector
52-17=35 teacher
48/35=1.37
$100k*1.37=$137K equivalent salary. Not too many jobs in the private sector that pay that and with zero overtime.
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I would teach school if they would let me kill all the Obamanites in the classroom.
Obamanites = offspring of DUmmies.
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I would teach school if they would let me kill all the Obamanites in the classroom.
Obamanites = offspring of DUmmies.
I have a better idea. Brainwash them with facts and logic and give them lessons in forensics. It would drive their parents crazy.
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I only remember two great teachers in the whole time at school. One was a football coach and he taught science and the other was an older black man that taught history. They really got the subject across and didn't put up with any disrespectful students. I think there should be corporal punishment still.
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I only remember two great teachers in the whole time at school. One was a football coach and he taught science and the other was an older black man that taught history. They really got the subject across and didn't put up with any disrespectful students. I think there should be corporal punishment still.
I don't think I had any bad teachers, but some were better than others. Of course I went to a smaller school and many of the teachers spent most of their careers there.
Of course school punishments are race based, so Holder, Duncan and the Obama Regime want less punishments for thugs in schools. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/holder-duncan-announce-national-guidelines-on-school-discipline/2014/01/08/436c5a5e-7899-11e3-8963-b4b654bcc9b2_story.html
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Or to put it equal to a person in the private sector that gets four weeks off (three vacation and one week holidays). Teacher gets two weeks Christmas, one week spring break, a week more of holiday we don't and the twelve weeks for summer for a total of 17 weeks off.
52-4=48 Private sector
52-17=35 teacher
48/35=1.37
$100k*1.37=$137K equivalent salary. Not too many jobs in the private sector that pay that and with zero overtime.
Oi.
Rant on. :rant:
There's overtime. Lots and lots of unpaid overtime.
I get paid by the year, not by the hour. Most people in the private sector, when they leave their jobs for the day, they're done. Me? Not so much. There are jobs that when you're not feeling well, or when you're not up to doing it, you can kind of mail it in for a day. I can't.
Let's say I teach 130 kids. At the very minimum, each of them writes one 5-paragraph essay per quarter. I get to read those. Not during class, but at home. Those same 130 kids also do one major essay test (minimum) per quarter. Add in a quiz every other day or so.
There's lesson planning. Teachers--at least the ones I know--don't recycle the same lesson plans over and over. I change mine often. I keep what works and I throw out what doesn't. For me, it's about an hour of planning for every two hours of class, but that's because I've been doing it for 20 years. Know something, kids and their learning styles are way different today than when I started. When I first taught the research paper, for example, most of the sources were physical paper books. Now, almost all are electronic. It's a whole different way of research. Two years ago, most textbooks were paper. Now they're e-books. I have to change with every class.
I'm expected to keep up with changing theories of pedagogy. I'm expected to keep parents in the loop. Papers need to be graded thoughtfully and returned in a timely manner. Kids with special needs have mountains of paperwork.
Oh. It's not 12 weeks of summer anymore. I stop around the second week of June. The next school year starts for me around August 15 or so. During the summer? I teach a summer enrichment class. I make nowhere near $100K per year as a private school teacher. Also during the summer I write around 40 unique letters of recommendation for students applying to colleges. Is it a long break? Yep. But I think I earn it.
This year, my school went to a 1:1 iPad program. I had to change everything--my entire methodology of teaching--to account for the fact that the kids are carrying the entire Internet around with them all the time.
Teacher turnover in the first five years is higher than just about any other profession.
I'm not saying it's not a great job. It is. I love it. I consider the 54-minute classes with my kids a reward for all the BS I have to go through just to get there. There's no heavy lifting. I'm not a coal miner. I'm not in Afghanistan with hostiles shooting at me. But there are easier ways to spend your career.
/rant off.
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I wouldn't want to be a teacher just because of the violent students these days. I hear stuff all the time about teachers bein hurt by students. Nothing is done to the students either. They should not be allowed back into any school if they are violent.
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I get paid by the year, not by the hour. Most people in the private sector, when they leave their jobs for the day, they're done.
That is 100% not true for most professionals and that is what we are talking about here - salaried employees who have bachelor's/master's degrees. Bankers don't even work 9-5 anymore.
Let's say I teach 130 kids... There's lesson planning.
How may planning periods are you given a day? Elementary teachers barely have time to go to the bathroom and they are writing lesson plans for ELA, Math, Social Studies, and Science. You write one lesson plan and teach it to 130 kids.
I'm expected to keep up with changing theories of pedagogy. I'm expected to keep parents in the loop. Papers need to be graded thoughtfully and returned in a timely manner. Kids with special needs have mountains of paperwork.
All a part of the job and most jobs that require license/certifications come with professional development requirements.
Oh. It's not 12 weeks of summer anymore.
It doesn't matter - your contract is 183-185 days a year. Period. What you do over the summer is your choice, but is most definitely not a requirement of the district -- as the can't require anything from you (and are limited to what they can require within the school year).
I respect the teaching profession and fortunately know a great deal of dedicated and amazing teachers. I just get REALLY tired of the complaints from the teaching profession on low pay and low benefits as that typically just is not the case. Teaching is a job that if it's not damn hard then you aren't doing it right.
It's definitely not for everyone, but too many go into it because they like the "mother's hours" so to speak of same vacations as their children. I don't fault anyone for that, just ask them to be honest about it.
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That is 100% not true for most professionals and that is what we are talking about here - salaried employees who have bachelor's/master's degrees. Bankers don't even work 9-5 anymore.
My wife is a nurse. She never, ever has to come home and write up patient reports. We have similar levels of education. If she works an hour past her designated shift, she gets time and a half.
How may planning periods are you given a day? Elementary teachers barely have time to go to the bathroom and they are writing lesson plans for ELA, Math, Social Studies, and Science. You write one lesson plan and teach it to 130 kids.
With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about in my situation. I teach three separate classes, two sections per class. One lesson plan for each class per day. None of them are on the same thing every day. If I have a rough class, I have 5ive minutes between classes to shake it off and prepare for the next one. I have one 54-minute planning period, and 25 minutes for lunch. That works out to one hour of planning per class per week, if you're counting. Can you go to the bank during work? Care to go out to lunch for your time? I can't. How far do you think "one lesson plan" goes, anyway?
What is your definition of "one lesson plan," by the way?
I respect the teaching profession and fortunately know a great deal of dedicated and amazing teachers. I just get REALLY tired of the complaints from the teaching profession on low pay and low benefits as that typically just is not the case. Teaching is a job that if it's not damn hard then you aren't doing it right.
I wasn't complaining; the post I was referring to made my job to seem like a sinecure. Trust me. It ain't. There's about a 50% teacher attrition rate during the first five years. During any given year, attrition is about twice as high as any other job.
I love what I do. I also hate it when people tell me how easy I have it.
I choose not to work for a school district. I'm subjected to performance-based compensation (which is no big deal, btw.) and I'm not "guaranteed" a salary every year. I sign a one-year contract. And that stuff in the summer? It kind of IS expected of me if I want to keep at my current salary level.
I never complain about low pay. If I wanted more money, I'd go and get more money. I'm happy with my benefits.
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My wife is a nurse. She never, ever has to come home and write up patient reports. We have similar levels of education. If she works an hour past her designated shift, she gets time and a half.
With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about in my situation. I teach three separate classes, two sections per class. One lesson plan for each class per day. None of them are on the same thing every day. If I have a rough class, I have 5ive minutes between classes to shake it off and prepare for the next one. I have one 54-minute planning period, and 25 minutes for lunch. That works out to one hour of planning per class per week, if you're counting. Can you go to the bank during work? Care to go out to lunch for your time? I can't. How far do you think "one lesson plan" goes, anyway?
What is your definition of "one lesson plan," by the way?
I wasn't complaining; the post I was referring to made my job to seem like a sinecure. Trust me. It ain't. There's about a 50% teacher attrition rate during the first five years. During any given year, attrition is about twice as high as any other job.
I love what I do. I also hate it when people tell me how easy I have it.
I choose not to work for a school district. I'm subjected to performance-based compensation (which is no big deal, btw.) and I'm not "guaranteed" a salary every year. I sign a one-year contract. And that stuff in the summer? It kind of IS expected of me if I want to keep at my current salary level.
I never complain about low pay. If I wanted more money, I'd go and get more money. I'm happy with my benefits.
54 minutes planning period???!!!! Out of a 6 hour teaching day (not including lunch here). Seriously?????! Elementary school teachers would walk on nails for that much time for one, and they have lunch and recess to shake it off (if they aren't covering it that is). They use their lunch breaks to call parents back and return emails.
I never EVER said the teaching profession was easy. Being a nurse sure as hell isn't easy either - and they don't work 6 hour days, have 54 minute planning periods and typically work through lunch (well, the nurses I know do).
If teachers actually were required to be in their school buildings 8 hours a day (you know, like most jobs - even though most professions work longer hours than that as they are salaried), then you would have time to do your lesson planning, paperwork, and return calls/emails to parents. They don't however. The requirement of most of the districts in this state is to be in school 1/2 hour prior to class starting (with a lot of teachers given exceptions to that). They CAN leave when the dismissal bell rings. Teachers staying an hour or so after that are in fact working a full work day of the real world. Walking into a school building at 4 p.m. for a meeting where dismissal was 3:35 p.m.? like walking through a grave yard.
So yes, your job is difficult. However, your hours are attractive as are the days of the contract (183-185 days total - no expectation of work Thanksgiving and the day after; Christmas is anywhere from 1-2 weeks off, if you are in the Northeast you have a week in February and a week in April, and you are out mid-June). There is no other field of work that offers that schedule with the pay/benefits package attached to it and the incredible protection of the most powerful union in the country - once you are tenured (receive professional status) you have a job for life.
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My contract hours are 7:30-3:30.
I think I should have been a lawyer; all they get to do is argue in front of a jury. :whatever:
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I choose not to work for a school district. I'm subjected to performance-based compensation (which is no big deal, btw.) and I'm not "guaranteed" a salary every year. I sign a one-year contract. And that stuff in the summer? It kind of IS expected of me if I want to keep at my current salary level.
Then you aren't a public school teacher - you work for a private employer and those there are the breaks. Your rant is then misdirected.
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My contract hours are 7:30-3:30.
I think I should have been a lawyer; all they get to do is argue in front of a jury. :whatever:
Most don't even do trial work. I am a paralegal - when I worked I can't even tell you the last time I worked (read - REQUIRED TO BE IN OFFICE) an 8 hour work day. I was salaried - no extra pay.
Private employers are like that. :)
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Then you aren't a public school teacher - you work for a private employer and those there are the breaks. Your rant is then misdirected.
As was your response. Nowhere did Jukin say "public school teacher." Neither did you in your posts.
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Most don't even do trial work. I am a paralegal - when I worked I can't even tell you the last time I worked (read - REQUIRED TO BE IN OFFICE) an 8 hour work day. I was salaried - no extra pay.
Private employers are like that. :)
Wait... There's more to being a lawyer than arguing??????
That can't BE!!!!! :whatever:
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My contract hours are 7:30-3:30.
I think I should have been a lawyer; all they get to do is argue in front of a jury. :whatever:
The private school you work at is extended day?
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Wait... There's more to being a lawyer than arguing??????
That can't BE!!!!! :whatever:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand?
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Nope. But my contract hours are 7:30-3:30.
Know what?
I'm hogging this thread. Nothing is getting done here except raising my blood pressure.
Sorry for highjacking.
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As was your response. Nowhere did Jukin say "public school teacher." Neither did you in your posts.
I would imagine you would gather that from the example he gave of time off.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand?
AAaaaaand....maybe there's more to being a teacher than standing in front of a class for 5 hours. Just maybe.
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Nope. But my contract hours are 7:30-3:30.
Know what?
I'm hogging this thread. Nothing is getting done here except raising my blood pressure.
Sorry for highjacking.
So you have ample time for lesson planning, cause last time I checked school was a 6 hour day of time on learning and look at you at work 8 hours a day!!! You really are off on your rant that is very misplaced here.
8 hour, full year work schedule for a private school is germane to this conversation how? I don't think anyone in this thread said this job was an easy one.
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AAaaaaand....maybe there's more to being a teacher than standing in front of a class for 5 hours. Just maybe.
I never said there wasn't. WTF?? Direct your rant elsewhere.
5 hours??? What the hell you doing the other 3? GEEEZ!!
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So you have ample time for lesson planning, cause last time I checked school was a 6 hour day of time on learning and look at you at work 8 hours a day!!! You really are off on your rant that is very misplaced here.
8 hour, full year work schedule for a private school is germane to this conversation how? I don't think anyone in this thread said this job was an easy one.
Really? Damn! You know more about my profession than I do! Plenty of time! Yep! What the hell am I talking about???? Only 20 years a teacher (some in public middle school, btw), too!
But keep going! Tell me more about lesson planning!
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Really? Damn! You know more about my profession than I do! Plenty of time! Yep! What the hell am I talking about???? Only 20 years a teacher (some in public middle school, btw), too!
But keep going! Tell me more about lesson planning!
OMG :banghead:
You came into the thread all full of pissfire over some perceived slam that NO ONE GAVE YOUR PROFESSION, and certainly no one gave YOUR private school profession.
Now you are just ranting hysterics. :yawn:
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.. and honestly, this is the crap that gives the profession a bad name.
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YOU jumped on ME.
I responded to a post by Jukin, explaining how my experiences are different. I explained that it was a rant.
Then You jumped on ME.
I'm out.
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YOU jumped on ME.
I responded to a post by Jukin, explaining how my experiences are different. I explained that it was a rant.
Then You jumped on ME.
I'm out.
Uh, yeah - cause this is a conservative debate board.
Isn't that how it works, or did the brochure change when I was away? Nads would have just placed me on ignore, which is your option also. :)
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Oh and just for the record -- teacher turnover in PUBLIC schools? not so high, unless we are talking attrition, or not so high in my neck of the woods.
.. and one last comment for giggles - public education policy is MY playground. Public teachers: I know your job; I know how much you make; I know your hours; I know the expectation of your performance standards; and I know state assessments.
Mmmmmkay?
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lol. ignore. I don't "plonk" people.
I never, ever complain about my job, except when people who don't know shit tell me how easy it is and how little teachers do. How we don't earn our money. That stuff.
When I taught middle school, I worked with a guy who had four (F-O-U-R) heart attacks from the stress of working. He refused to quit. He took up kite-flying.
I was simply setting the record straight is all. And look at me. Still posting here when I said I wouldn't...
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I remember growing up, people say don't be a teacher, they don't get paid very well.....
Now I am hearing Chicago teachers are 100k. I am assuming that is private sector however.....
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I remember growing up, people say don't be a teacher, they don't get paid very well.....
Now I am hearing Chicago teachers are 100k. I am assuming that is private sector however.....
Don't assume, Sea . . . O-)
I count a number of schoolteachers--both public and private--among my friends. (One's such a good friend that he'll laugh off the Haribo Sugarless Gummi Bears I'm getting him. O-) ) They bust their fourth points of contact day in and day out, to do what they do. What gets me is things such as the 'rubber rooms,' or whatever they're called, in districts such as NYC where teachers who have been accused of misconduct (or even found guilty of misconduct) go to, do nothing all day, and collect their full salaries and benefits--for years, in a few instances highlighted by the New York Post. :banghead:
Or the teacher not long ago--maybe two months or so--in a Midwestern school district who molested a female student (maybe he raped her--I can't remember at the moment), and whose union is suing on his behalf so that he can keep his pension. :banghead:
Instances such as this give all teachers a bad name, whether they teach in a public school or a private one. They're not the norm across the country. Who is to blame? Let's start with their unions.
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I only remember two great teachers in the whole time at school. One was a football coach and he taught science and the other was an older black man that taught history. They really got the subject across and didn't put up with any disrespectful students. I think there should be corporal punishment still.
Depends on where you teach.
Some districts (like in Shitcago), corporal punishment won't cut it. You'd need CAPITAL punishment! Hoodrats find out teach shoots back, there'd be a lot more respect in the classroom.
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... We all know what teachers do, right? After all, we were all students. Each one of us, each product of public education, we each sat through class after class for thirteen years. We encountered dozens of teachers. We had our kindergarten teachers and our first grade teachers and our fifth grade teachers and our gym teachers and our art teachers and our music teachers. We had our science teachers and our social studies teachers and our English teachers and our math teachers. If we were lucky, we might even have had our Latin teachers or our Spanish teachers or our physics teachers or our psychology teachers. Heck, I even had a seventh grade “Communications Skills†teacher. We had our guidance counselors and our principals and some of us had our special education teachers and our study hall monitors.
So we know teachers. We get teachers. We know what happens in classrooms, and we know what teachers do. We know which teachers are effective, we know which teachers left lasting impressions, we know which teachers changed our lives, and we know which teachers sucked
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We don’t know.
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I spent a little over a year earning a master of arts in teaching degree. Then I spent two years teaching English Language Arts in a rural public high school. And I learned that my 13 years as a public school student, my 4 years as a college student at a highly selective college, and even a great deal of my year as a masters degree student in the education school of a flagship public university hadn’t taught me how to manage a classroom, how to reach students, how to inspire a love of learning, how to teach. Eighteen years as a student (and a year of preschool before that), and I didn’t know shit about teaching. Only years of practicing my skills and honing my skills would have rendered me a true professional. An expert. Someone who knows about the business of inspiring children. Of reaching students. Of making a difference. Of teaching.
I didn’t stay. I copped out. I left. I went home to suburban New Jersey, and a year later I enrolled in law school.
Read it all (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/02/22/you-think-you-know-what-teachers-do-right-wrong/)
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But of course the drunken Pitt, done in by an unwholesome attraction to his pubescent female students, was drummed from the junior high substituting profession forever.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4584820
Good read. It was fun seeing the drunken fool came onto the thread in a panic after getting called out, removing all doubt as to his identity. The moderator locking the thread soon after was a defining blow as well.
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In the suburbs of Philadelpghia, one school district top pay with benefits is; $136,093.37. And that was two years ago.
Turnover is non-existent and I can understand why.
A woman I know said her sister was a teacher in that district and was always complaining about her "low pay". The woman eventually found her sister's pay and benefits online which caused a little "tiff" between them. :-) :whistling:
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