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Title: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: RobJohnson on February 15, 2014, 01:27:08 AM
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A giant solar-power project officially opening this week in the California desert is the first of its kind, and may be among the last, in part because of growing evidence that the technology it uses is killing birds.

 U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz is scheduled to speak Thursday at an opening ceremony for the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating Station, which received a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee.

 The $2.2 billion solar farm, which spans over five square miles of federal land southwest of Las Vegas, includes three towers as tall as 40-story buildings. Nearly 350,000 mirrors, each the size of a garage door, reflect sunlight onto boilers atop the towers, creating steam that drives power generators.

WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304703804579379230641329484)

The utility scale solar projects cost up to four times what it would cost to build a natural gas fired plant and they produce much less electricity, which results in higher energy costs for the consumer.
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: DLR Pyro on February 15, 2014, 11:18:35 AM
tsk, tsk, tsk...  look at all that spoiled desert habitat

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19fjwr8nxxu5ajpg/original.jpg)

I'd like to have the Windex concession on this site.
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19fjwr4pyb893jpg/original.jpg)



Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: JohnnyReb on February 15, 2014, 11:26:31 AM
Well, there's a job for DUmmies......cleaning mirrors.
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: DLR Pyro on February 15, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Well, there's a job for DUmmies......cleaning mirrors.
it's beneath them and their liberal arts degree in lesbian studies.  They would rather sit around and whine about how they can't get their dream job at a liberal policy making think tank and worry over how should pay their student loan debt, while saying we need to import immigrants to do these menial dirty jobs.
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: JohnnyReb on February 15, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
Do they have a Kentucky Fried Chicken eatery on site?
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: thundley4 on February 15, 2014, 12:00:10 PM
Do they have a Kentucky Fried Chicken eatery on site?

All those greasy hands would defeat the purpose.
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: NHSparky on February 15, 2014, 05:48:18 PM
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a major feat of engineering that can light up about 140,000 homes a year.

$2.2 billion for a (PEAK) 140-150MW plant.  Now keep in mind, is that going to be on cloudy days, during winter, at night, etc?

And consider that building a nuke plant more than 10 times the size of this place would cost about $8 to $10 billion.  And it would run 24/7 at full rated capacity between ROH's.

But hey, it's not about the results, it's how these libtards FEEL, isn't it?
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: JohnnyReb on February 15, 2014, 06:04:08 PM
$2.2 billion for a (PEAK) 140-150MW plant.  Now keep in mind, is that going to be on cloudy days, during winter, at night, etc?

And consider that building a nuke plant more than 10 times the size of this place would cost about $8 to $10 billion.  And it would run 24/7 at full rated capacity between ROH's.

But hey, it's not about the results, it's how these libtards FEEL, isn't it?
Until the lights, heat, AC, stove, hot water heater, etc. goes off then it's, "Why is there no power?"
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: thundley4 on February 15, 2014, 06:42:07 PM
$2.2 billion for a (PEAK) 140-150MW plant.  Now keep in mind, is that going to be on cloudy days, during winter, at night, etc?

And consider that building a nuke plant more than 10 times the size capacity[/] of this place would cost about $8 to $10 billion.  And it would run 24/7 at full rated capacity between ROH's.

But hey, it's not about the results, it's how these libtards FEEL, isn't it?

There would be less damage to the environment too.  However, cooling it might be a problem in the desert.
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: NHSparky on February 15, 2014, 08:33:48 PM
There would be less damage to the environment too.  However, cooling it might be a problem in the desert.

Two words--Palo Verde.

Almost 4000 MWe.  Granted, it's the single largest consumer of water in Arizona, but it's reclaimed water, so that mitigates it somewhat.
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: JohnnyReb on February 15, 2014, 09:01:13 PM
Why the liberals(DUmmies) like this....the French have had an array of mirrors and a set up like that on a mountain top for years where they achieve temperatures approaching 3 times the temperature of the sun's surface. They like to vaporize steel...makes the French feel manly....and liberal DUmmies love socialist frenchies.
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: thundley4 on February 15, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Why the liberals(DUmmies) like this....the French have had an array of mirrors and a set up like that on a mountain top for years where they achieve temperatures approaching 3 times the temperature of the sun's surface. They like to vaporize steel...makes the French feel manly....and liberal DUmmies love socialist frenchies.

Some people just want to feel the sunlight in the winter. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131030-norway-town-rjukan-mirrors-heliostats-sunlight/

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/thundley4/Norwegian-town-reflects-s-016_zpsaa488f1f.jpg)
Title: Re: The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Post by: RobJohnson on February 16, 2014, 12:55:55 AM
Exploding birds makes for some great bird watching.