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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Pretzel Warrior on December 10, 2013, 05:28:11 PM
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and not only are they not tombstoned, the posts are allowed to stand. I guess you guys was wrong!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4031329
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2677103
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2076444
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2460441
just a few examples in a very quick search.
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Two threads by MannyGoldstein and two by Cali.
Wow, that's remarkable. :jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit:
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Yeah, that's real cute.
Not a single one under 24,000 posts, no really, that's awfully reassuring. Thanks for the effort.
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We never said it's not OK for a DUmmie in good standing to criticize the liar in chief. He's not commie enough for DU.
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Looks like that first link has little to do with Obama, more like a circular firing squad.
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Yeah, that's real cute.
Not a single one under 24,000 posts, no really, that's awfully reassuring. Thanks for the effort.
Oh, and I'm accused of moving the goal posts. I was assured that Mr. Allen over at DU has put the kibosh on any negative posts about Obama!
And to answer your implication that large post counts equal protection from the ban hammer, what happened to Taverner and dfk?
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We never said it's not OK for a DUmmie in good standing to criticize the liar in chief. He's not commie enough for DU.
I just scanned the links, but I came away thinking the same thing. They are criticizing him for not being socialist enough and not coddling terrorists enough. Essentially, he's not destroying things fast enough for them.
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Oh, and I'm accused of moving the goal posts. I was assured that Mr. Allen over at DU has put the kibosh on any negative posts about Obama!
And to answer your implication that large post counts equal protection from the ban hammer, what happened to Taverner and dfk?
No one ever said that DU wasn't corrupt and inconsistent, much like the Democrat Party itself. Some posters over there are politically connected and have enough pull and friends to stay around.
If you really want to impress someone here, show me a thread on DU which contains exactly the same vitriol toward 0loser as is directed at GWB, and show me that the thread lasts more than a few
minutes and its OP NOT banned.
You should really do your homework before offering that mess as proof of anything.
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Oh, and I'm accused of moving the goal posts. I was assured that Mr. Allen over at DU has put the kibosh on any negative posts about Obama!
And to answer your implication that large post counts equal protection from the ban hammer, what happened to Taverner and dfk?
Ok, I'll play, the only DUmmies that make headline for getting a pizza are high post count DUmmies but I see at least 2 or more new members every damn day with the user name "name removed".
What was the last high post count DUmmie prior to the two that you listed that got it's grave danced on? By the way that's an open question.
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No one ever said that DU wasn't corrupt and inconsistent, much like the Democrat Party itself. Some posters over there are politically connected and have enough pull and friends to stay around.
If you really want to impress someone here, show me a thread on DU which contains exactly the same vitriol toward 0loser as is directed at GWB, and show me that the thread lasts more than a few
minutes and its OP NOT banned.
You should really do your homework before offering that mess as proof of anything.
So exactly what threshold of post count and what threshold of anti-Obama language is going to stand up to your ridiculous standard of my contention that DU does allow criticism of Obama?
If you say under 100 posts--that's stupid. Since there are people (even on CC) who specifically create accounts to go over there and disrupt, DU SHOULD be on the lookout for disruptors. Its mission is different than CC. Similar to how quickly Free Republic will ban people who are clearly espousing liberal views and deriding conservatives.
I'm appreciative the mods have let me stay on here as long as they have. I try to be a little more toned down than I was in the beginning when I came loaded for bear. But for you to state DU absolutely brooks no dissent from a party line is inaccurate.
So will 1000 post threshold work? 500? And how critical must they be? You cannot rule out someone criticising Obama for allowing TPP or the like. That is still open criticism of the Democratic Party's leader.
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So exactly what threshold of post count and what threshold of anti-Obama language is going to stand up to your ridiculous standard of my contention that DU does allow criticism of Obama?
If you say under 100 posts--that's stupid. Since there are people (even on CC) who specifically create accounts to go over there and disrupt, DU SHOULD be on the lookout for disruptors. Its mission is different than CC. Similar to how quickly Free Republic will ban people who are clearly espousing liberal views and deriding conservatives.
I'm appreciative the mods have let me stay on here as long as they have. I try to be a little more toned down than I was in the beginning when I came loaded for bear. But for you to state DU absolutely brooks no dissent from a party line is inaccurate.
So will 1000 post threshold work? 500? And how critical must they be? You cannot rule out someone criticising Obama for allowing TPP or the like. That is still open criticism of the Democratic Party's leader.
How many posts have you managed to survive again?
Edit: Disruptor!
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Ok, I'll play, the only DUmmies that make headline for getting a pizza are high post count DUmmies but I see at least 2 or more new members every damn day with the user name "name removed".
What was the last high post count DUmmie prior to the two that you listed that got it's grave danced on? By the way that's an open question.
Safety Kitten got to over 5100 posts. But I'm sure you'll now tell me that's not high enough.
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Safety Kitten got to over 5100 posts. But I'm sure you'll now tell me that's not high enough.
And when did that happen?
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And when did that happen?
Some time in October or November of this year.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023766940
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Some time in October or November of this year.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023766940
So have analyzed the data yet?
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So have analyzed the data yet?
What do you mean? I said that SafetyKitten was another relatively high post count member who was banned within the past couple of months in answer to your question.
So......what else are you looking for?
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I've noticed 2 groups on the island; the 100% Dear Leader cult worshipers (BOG) and the 99% Dear Leader cult worshipers (MannyGoldstein). You can stray, but not too far. When it comes time to vote, you better get in line. But that's the site and the type of members it attracts are the lock-step type.
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What do you mean? I said that SafetyKitten was another relatively high post count member who was banned within the past couple of months in answer to your question.
So......what else are you looking for?
Number of low post count tombstones = TU
Number of high post count tombstone = DU
TU - DU = ?
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Could somebody tell me what he is trying to prove or, rather disprove with this hot mess. Is he trying to convince me DU is the quintessential free and open forum of ideas. We have posted thread after thread of people getting tombstoned and even more threads with them whining about moles and trolls. Is that the behavior of an open forum or even a sane group of people?
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Nice work on the title.
If you read through the threads it is basically telling the OP is wrong or that it is right because Obama is too far to the right (HAHAHAHAHA).
At least you are trying to make cognizant arguments but not real good ones. I think there is hope for you.
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I'm registered at DU and I'm above 15k posts but it took a huge amount of boot-licking. You all are the most self absorbed, self congratulatory group of assholes that I have ever seen gathered in one space. I hope that you and your friends get a virus and die from it.
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I'm registered at DU and I'm above 15k posts but it took a huge amount of boot-licking. You all are the most self absorbed, self congratulatory group of assholes that I have ever seen gathered in one space. I hope that you and your friends get a virus and die from it.
Your willingness to subject yourself to people and ideas you can't stand just to say you can says more about your mental disease than it does that group. I will smile knowing there are fools like you expending your time in such a negative and unproductive way while driving ad revenue to DU your hated enemy.
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Your willingness to subject yourself to people and ideas you can't stand just to say you can says more about your mental disease than it does that group. I will smile knowing there are fools like you expending your time in such a negative and unproductive way while driving ad revenue to DU your hated enemy.
It's the only way for a conservative to survive on DU, after all we require access to your super secret clubs so that we can keep an eye on you.
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It's the only way for a conservative to survive on DU, after all we require access to your super secret clubs so that we can keep an eye on you.
Know your enemy and keep them close.
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Your willingness to subject yourself to people and ideas you can't stand just to say you can says more about your mental disease than it does that group. I will smile knowing there are fools like you expending your time in such a negative and unproductive way while driving ad revenue to DU your hated enemy.
I just love ****ing with you and your idiot friends.
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Know your enemy and keep them close.
The DUmpmonkey has obviously never read The Art of War.
If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.
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Your willingness to subject yourself to people and ideas you can't stand just to say you can says more about your mental disease than it does that group. I will smile knowing there are fools like you expending your time in such a negative and unproductive way while driving ad revenue to DU your hated enemy.
Ad revenue implies one is clicking on said advertising and making a purchase. Consuming bandwidth does not equal ad income.
Again, you get it wrong.
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The DUmpmonkey has obviously never read The Art of War.
If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.
Here is another fun one...
If you sit by the river long enough the bodies or your enemies will float past.
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Ad revenue implies one is clicking on said advertising and making a purchase. Consuming bandwidth does not equal ad income.
Again, you get it wrong.
Not all advertising is CPC or CPA. Quite a few (that a non-commercial high traffic site like DU might pursue) pay on CPM (cost per 1000 views). With DU averaging 100k unique visitors back in 2011 and probably higher in election years...I'd say they welcome your visits even if you never click on an ad.
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It's the only way for a conservative to survive on DU, after all we require access to your super secret clubs so that we can keep an eye on you.
^^ This
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Oh, and I'm accused of moving the goal posts. I was assured that Mr. Allen over at DU has put the kibosh on any negative posts about Obama!
And to answer your implication that large post counts equal protection from the ban hammer, what happened to Taverner and dfk?
Oh, please. According to at least 70% of the (D)ump, the ObingaJunta is nowhere near left enough. Most of you helmet children simply adore him because he's almost half-black.
Grow up.
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(....) trying to convince me DU is the quintessential free and open forum of ideas. (....)
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^^ This
Yeah, if it was me I'd throw a few pennys your way as long as I got a view into things that interest me about you folkes.
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Not all advertising is CPC or CPA. Quite a few (that a non-commercial high traffic site like DU might pursue) pay on CPM (cost per 1000 views). With DU averaging 100k unique visitors back in 2011 and probably higher in election years...I'd say they welcome your visits even if you never click on an ad.
Just think. If you ever get ten times that much (I know, I know), you may be a tiny probe in the Drudge galaxy.
Huzzah!!
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and not only are they not tombstoned, the posts are allowed to stand. I guess you guys was wrong!!
Not hardly. Lets take this back to 2004 and start from there shall we?
Then came the primary season of 2004. The discord between Kerry and Dean supporters (especially) was so jarring to DU’s former peace that the administrators gave primary discussions the Guns and Religion treatment: a room of their own. That year I first noticed the rapid disappearance of certain of my fellow DUers as they were painfully and very publicly banned. Most of them, unless my biased memory is distorted, were Howard Dean supporters. Being a Dean supporter myself, I received an invitation by personal message to join an off -campus site where Dean people could freely trash our enemies on DU, but I had too many friends among the Kerry crowd back “home†so I decided to stick it out. Nevertheless I was getting the sense, for the first time, that there was a bias among the administrators of DU and if you didn’t share it, your days were numbered.
http://tragicfarce.com/2011/12/02/democraticunderground-and-the-fracturing-of-the-democratic-grass-roots/
That was just to establish that long before Obama...DU was in the habit of silencing anyone who spoke out against their favorite candidate.
Now lets fast forward.
Before the changeover to DU3, which I wrote about in my last post, Democratic Underground’s rules for posting in its forums were last modified in August of this year, about a month before the #OWS movement was front-page news. “Failure to abide by these rules,†the introduction to them warned, “may result in your post being removed, your thread locked, or your posting privileges revoked without warning.†A sampling demonstrates the administration’s bare tolerance for politics left of the Democratic center:
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•This is a website for Democrats and other progressives [sic].
•Do not personally attack any individual DU member in any way. Do not post broad-brush attacks, rude nicknames, or crude insults toward a group of DU members.
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•Do not post support for non-viable or third-party spoiler candidates in any general election.
•Do not post disrespectful nicknames, crude insults, or right-wing smears against Democrats.
On the face of it, the second bullet point, adapted from many previous iterations, looks like a fair (and balanced) warning to both sides of the primary wars of 2008–team Obama and team HRC–not to attack each other. Not being inside the administrators’ heads, I won’t presume that they didn’t intend it to be taken that way. The effect, however, was that by the time those revised rules were posted, most of team HRC had long before either been driven underground or “tombstonedâ€â€“as a ban from DU was called because of the image of a tombstone (with the epitaph “Here lies a disruptor. He disrupted badly.â€) that replaced the offender’s avatar on their member profile page. But those primary wars had continued by proxy, it seemed to me, in battles with moderators and more and more with a stable of Obama faithfuls who were quick to gang up on anyone who made the slightest criticism of the president’s performance.
http://tragicfarce.com/2011/12/16/fractured-dems-part-4-the-rightward-drift-of-democraticunderground/?relatedposts_exclude=1035
And finally:
Is it wrong or paranoid to think imprecise terms like “kooks†and “crackpots†are intended to allow the admins arbitrary exclusionary criteria as needed–say, when someone with an Obama or DNC avatar–even one who is on record as intending to vote for Obama in the general election–expresses a little too much support for #ows’s calling out Obama or Democrats for hypocrisies?
It’s certainly clear that DU is now officially hostile to anyone who is not supporting “the Democrats.†No questioning, no challenging, no venting of frustrations with Democratic hypocrisy and compromise of liberal principle allowed. No exceptions.
Is this how the “biggest liberal board†on the internet thinks it’s going to remain on top? Will it succeed?
To be continued…
http://tragicfarce.com/2011/12/16/fractured-dems-part-4-the-rightward-drift-of-democraticunderground/?relatedposts_exclude=1035
Now PW...you were saying?
ETA: Just so you know...the person writing this is the Tombstoned former DUmmie known as Burt Worm.
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That does beg the question pretz, when did you join DU.
If you don't care to answer I can look it up here.
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Do not post support for non-viable or third-party spoiler candidates in any general election
Gee.....how tolerant and diverse, comrade.
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Do not post support for non-viable or third-party spoiler candidates in any general election
Well shoot, that kinda leaves Bernie out.
Grumble!
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How many conservatives run around thanking Republican presidents for new government programs and more dependency?
Show us those posts, you little sycophant.
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Lame. Those are what you consider to be 'attacks'? I read some criticism carefully worded to avoid the ban hammer. I suppose to the easily offended, hyper sensitive, cult of personality those remarks will leave permanent wounds.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready to put the Pretzel Logic Dumbass on my iggy list, and I don't put people on ignore here. As I have witnessed on
most all discussion boards, liberals obfuscate, lie, and generally ignore facts and logic. They are needy, emotionally weak, and just plain stupid. Pretzel Logic is a prime example of the idiocy and warped thinking that all liberals possess.
These are the same people who insist there is a republican war on women yet embrace Islam and believe there is a place in this country for Muslims who believe women are second-class citizens. But, but, but Sandra Fluke needs free birth control and access to taxpayer-funded abortions. Yeah, that.
After a lifetime of experience of how conservatism lifts up a society and liberalism fails, I don't need to do any more research into just how liberalism and socialism permanently damages a country, and I don't need to hear anymore of Pretzel Logic's stupid arguments.
Goodbye, Pretzel Logic.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready to put the Pretzel Logic Dumbass on my iggy list, and I don't put people on ignore here. As I have witnessed on most all discussion boards, liberals obfuscate, lie, and generally ignore facts and logic. They are needy, emotionally weak, and just plain stupid. Pretzel Logic is a prime example of the idiocy and warped thinking that all liberals possess.
These are the same people who insist there is a republican war on women yet embrace Islam and believe there is a place in this country for Muslims who believe women are second-class citizens. But, but, but Sandra Fluke needs free birth control and access to taxpayer-funded abortions. Yeah, that.
After a lifetime of experience of how conservatism lifts up a society and liberalism fails, I don't need to do any more research into just how liberalism and socialism permanently damages a country, and I don't need to hear anymore of Pretzel Logic's stupid arguments.
Goodbye, Pretzel Logic.
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You bully!
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You bully!
You forgot racist! :whistling:
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready to put the Pretzel Logic Dumbass on my iggy list, and I don't put people on ignore here. As I have witnessed on most all discussion boards, liberals obfuscate, lie, and generally ignore facts and logic. They are needy, emotionally weak, and just plain stupid. Pretzel Logic is a prime example of the idiocy and warped thinking that all liberals possess.
These are the same people who insist there is a republican war on women yet embrace Islam and believe there is a place in this country for Muslims who believe women are second-class citizens. But, but, but Sandra Fluke needs free birth control and access to taxpayer-funded abortions. Yeah, that.
After a lifetime of experience of how conservatism lifts up a society and liberalism fails, I don't need to do any more research into just how liberalism and socialism permanently damages a country, and I don't need to hear anymore of Pretzel Logic's stupid arguments.
Goodbye, Pretzel Logic.
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I'm with you, Traves. I have no one on ignore but I'm going to make an exception in this case if only not to see the Liar-in-Chief's avatar. Besides, I lose IQ points every time I read one of his ridiculous posts.
See ya, you cheerleader of the ruiner of this great country.
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and not only are they not tombstoned, the posts are allowed to stand. I guess you guys was wrong!!
Interesting. You chose threads from cali bitching about TPP and Gitmo, two from Manny that are couched in such a way as to not look like criticism. There's one I would like to present, one that I would like to see you defend.
DUmmie veteran dfk made the mistake of not chugging the obamacare kool aid and daring to illuminate your collective with information not approved by the commissars. For this she was declared a heretic, a mole, a "freeper troll", an unperson if you will. And, after her extermination by Elad, your DUmp mates commenced to shucking and jiving over her digital carcass. Then, they chain dragged her through the streets of $kinner's internet Mogadishu.
I think DUmmie ScreamingMeemie sums it up pretty well:
Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #23)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:23 PM
Star Member ScreamingMeemie (62,806 posts)
35. I have done two terms on MIRT and served as a moderator on DU2.
I am not, after over 10 years, blind to the ways that DU works. It is something to worry about. It's happened before. For some, being on DU is almost a job. Collect "evidence," push posters to their limits, alert, alert, and alert again. Admin is not perfect and mistakes have been made. I lost several good friends in one such purge. All of them staunch liberals who were sticking up for their rights.
Yes, it is something to worry about.
I vote for Democrats, but I often don't like their decisions. I refuse to support bad decisions as if I were in the stands of a football game. I want to be represented, not just have a "D" in office. That isn't liked very much around these parts anymore...the actually holding lawmakers accountable for decisions that we would have banded together against when an "R" was in office.
And so, causal games of baiting are begun...hoping and waiting for someone to slip up, post something, and alert. And then alert again, and again. Yes. It happens.
Am I glad dkf is gone? Quite; the poster was only here to stir the pot. Should I be banned someday because I abhor the current administration's allowing of drones? Hell no, because that's a Democratic value.
There is a difference between a troll and someone you don't agree with. Too many times we get that messed up.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023923079#post35
Then again, you already know all about these things - DUmmies getting shown the door for daring to disagree, don't you? Because you were there when it happened (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023923079#post46) and lamented the sad state of affairs on DU.
Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #35)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:30 PM
Star Member Pretzel_Warrior (5,577 posts)
46. agree
You said:
There is a difference between a troll and someone you don't agree with. Too many times we get that messed up.
Yep.....I agree that is the difficulty.
So you know exactly the type of things we are talking about, yet you seek to deny them? Isn't that a bit.... dishonest?
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready to put the Pretzel Logic Dumbass on my iggy list..
Goodbye, Pretzel Logic.
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You forgot racist! :whistling:
That was implied.
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(http://blog.chron.com/beertx/files/2011/05/PlonkMermaidSplash.png)
Thanks Wasp -- I forgot the PLONK!!!!
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(http://blog.chron.com/beertx/files/2011/05/PlonkMermaidSplash.png)
OMGOMGOMGOMG! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I am going to copy and paste that one, if you don't mind!
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OMGOMGOMGOMG! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I am going to copy and paste that one, if you don't mind!
I snagged it from the nadin machine, it's as much yours as mine.
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Thanks Wasp -- I forgot the PLONK!!!!
:-)
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Anyone who doubts that DU stifles dissent can look no further than here (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=19685.0):
Harvey Korman (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-19-08 11:59 AM
Original message
Poll question: Is it hate speech to say that homosexuality is like incest and pedophilia?
Poll result (65 votes)
Yes (62 votes, 95%) Vote
No (3 votes, 5%) Vote
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-19-08 02:22 PM
Response to Original message
35. Locking.
And we've just banned the three people who voted no.
kirby
FloridaGrl
cherokeeprogressive
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Anyone who doubts that DU stifles dissent can look no further than here (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=19685.0):
The democrat party is all about diversity as long as everyone thinks the same.
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Anyone who doubts that DU stifles dissent can look no further than here (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=19685.0):
Well, isn't that special? I wonder if PW will glaze right over that post? Much like I'm relatively sure he'll glaze straight over mine...
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The democrat party is all about diversity as long as everyone thinks the same.
As Krauthammer recently said (pretty sure he stole it), "Progressives want everybody to be able to do what they want (as long as it's mandatory)".
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Anyone who doubts that DU stifles dissent can look no further than here (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=19685.0):
Wow. I am truly speechless. They banned three people for voting no.
:ohmy:
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Oh, and in case he tries to deny that because the original DU link is gone, I used a little Google-fu...but with that having failed me, I decided to employ some Nadjitsu, and I found this (http://www.thebellforum.com/showthread.php?t=22744&p=210843#post210843):
I was banned...
I am kirby who was banned. The ridiculous part of this is that it is was a misunderstanding. After I was banned without any warning or notice (just could not login), I started scratching my head to figure out what the heck I had done. I came across Skinners post above.
The poll in question was 'Is it hate speech to say that homosexuality is like incest and pedophilia?' and the context was Rick Warren being chosen to give the invocation.
Well when I quickly read this poll and voted, I mistakenly thought the question was 'hate crime', not 'hate speech'. I voted no because I did not think someones hateful speech should land them in prison charged with a hate crime. That seemed Orwellian to me.
I sent an email to DU to explain this misunderstanding, but they have ignored it so far.
As someone who supports gay rights and someone who had been on DU for almost 2 years (and donated), I felt unfairly punished and publicly embarrassed due to a simple misunderstanding. Talk about Draconian. I never got an email or a PM where I could have clarified what happened. And in this instance, he posted the three people who voted no (privacy policy violated?), banned me, and locked the thread so I never had a chance to correct the record.
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Anyone who doubts that DU stifles dissent can look no further than here (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=19685.0):
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Wow. I am truly speechless. They banned three people for voting no.
If you like your vote, you can keep your vote.
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I can't imagine anyone having this DUmpmonkey on "ignore", and not vestanumbers.
The two best things I've done to make this place more enjoyable is to turn off the stupid sig lines (and face it folks, they're all stupid), and put vestanumbers on "ignore".