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Title: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: marv on November 11, 2013, 09:29:09 AM
...and they did it in two weeks in their spare time! And it didn't cost $300 million dollars.

(http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/11/08/131108-HealthSherpa1_620x350.jpg)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57611592/s.f-programmers-build-alternative-to-healthcare.gov/
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With a few late nights, Ning Liang, George Kalogeropoulos and Michael Wasser built "thehealthsherpa.com," (http://www.thehealthsherpa.com/) a two-week-old website that solves one of the biggest problems with the government's site.

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"They got it completely backwards in terms of what people want up front," said Liang. He added: "They want prices and benefits, so that they could make the decision."

Liang showed CBS News how it worked. "You come to our website and you put in your zip code -- in this case a California zip code. You hit 'find plans,' and you immediately see the exchange plans that are available for that zip code."

They have plenty of experience working at places like Twitter and Microsoft before setting out to build their own Internet companies. But this project is a public service.

As Ning Liang showed CBS News correspondent John Blackstone how HealthSherpa worked on a computer screen, a person enters their area code and then will see the exchange plans available for that zip code.
/ CBS News

"There was no thought of, 'How do we make money this time?'" said Wasser. "It was like, 'This is a problem that we know we can solve in a really short period of time. So let's just do it.'"

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CBS News looked at the team's website Thursday and pointed out that the tax subsidy wasn't in there, which is supposed to be one of the most complicated parts of the HealthCare.gov site. But as Liang explained: "Yes, we added this last night...the subsidy calculation is fairly complicated, but it wasn't too bad."

You can't actually enroll on the HealthSherpa site, but they do provide contact information for companies offering the plans. Users who find a plan they like can go directly to the insurance companies without ever using HealthCare.gov.

(snip)

Maybe somebody should tell Obummer, and then hire these guys.......

I tried it last night, and despite the "sticker shock", the damned thing REALLY works, even for Barry County in southwest Missouri!
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: biersmythe on November 11, 2013, 09:42:51 AM
They will "disappear" soon...the Marxist wont like being shone up...especially by some capitalistic free market pigs like them...

Just goes to show the Govt is entirely inept to do ANYTHING...these guys did it in a few evenings.... :rotf: although it did say they used info in the govt own site...but I will be willing to bet that wouldn't have taken them long to compile either.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Mr Mannn on November 11, 2013, 11:07:55 AM
I went there. The calculations took a nano second.
There is a serious age penalty.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Mike220 on November 11, 2013, 11:14:43 AM
Still sucks. Approximately $165/mo for the cheapest plan. My income qualifies me for about 50 in subsidies.

**** that. I don't feel the need to steal from others to pay for health insurance. I'll just pay the penalty and after I get through adjusting my deductions, it'll effectively be $0. Suck it Feds.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Gina on November 11, 2013, 11:50:06 AM
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"They got it completely backwards in terms of what people want up front," said Liang. He added: "They want prices and benefits, so that they could make the decision."

Isn't that what Obama wanted them to hide a month before the release date?
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: redwhit on November 11, 2013, 11:59:40 AM
Isn't that what Obama wanted them to hide a month before the release date?

Funny how the article doesn't mention that, huh?
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Wineslob on November 11, 2013, 01:26:46 PM
My God. I went to this site and typed in my zip. For a Silver plan.......................................$350 MORE a month (just under $300 now would go to $650+) than what I was paying for this plan year.


"affordable" my ass.


 :bird:

Thank God my employer is "eating" the majority of this.


DEMONRATS,YOU ARE ****ED
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
The subsidies were something else. Where are we getting all this tax payer money for these large subsidies? Based on our family income there were projected subsidies of $500 a month. Personally we will stay with the plan we have and hope it's not on the chopping block next year. Even with subsidies the premiums were still higher than we pay now, and we have no deductible and other than copays we pay nothing else. The best policy they had said 90% coverage and I'm certain a high deductible.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 11, 2013, 01:52:29 PM
HOLY-MOLY.....$566 per month for the cheapest and $1176 per month for the best.

Thank god sweet thing is still working and got us covered thru work.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 01:58:28 PM
HOLY-MOLY.....$566 per month for the cheapest and $1176 per month for the best.

Thank god sweet thing is still working and got us covered thru work.

You can afford it, you damn one percenter!
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 11, 2013, 04:42:50 PM
You can afford it, you damn one percenter!
That was for just "ME"......I guess the wife and kid will need to get on welfare and Medicaid.

Hell, I don't need to eat anyway.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 05:42:32 PM
That was for just "ME"......I guess the wife and kid will need to get on welfare and Medicaid.

Hell, I don't need to eat anyway.

See how selfish you are, you would rather eat than allow others to have health insurance.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: rich_t on November 11, 2013, 05:48:55 PM
Isn't that what Obama wanted them to hide a month before the release date?

Yes.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: rich_t on November 11, 2013, 05:52:30 PM
Wow....

Over 900 bucks a month for the Bronze plan for just me and my wife.

That is seriously ****ed up.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: jtyangel on November 11, 2013, 06:02:14 PM
What a riot...prexisting people don't get hosed...well unless you include being lucky enough to get old as a preexisting condition--at which point one's insurance premium is double what it is for a 40 year old with ZERO subsidies...I even brought down the income at low at 10 grand for a 65 year old(I doubt many people could pay all they need to on that with no house payent, etc...still 160 a month for the cheapest gold--something arguably an older person would need because of the coverage to save from going bankrupt if they get ill or need surgery. ****ing ridiculous...I'm guessing the thinking here is that there won't be enough 65 year olds to out vote the 30 year old masses with children who are getting big subsidies.

Of course, I don't know how Medicare works...I admit that. I would guess you need a supplemental plan--is it not required? How on earth with older peeps do that with the numbers I saw at that site? I assume these would act as those required supplemental plans? Or is that not required and most older folks thenwould now be on crappy ass Medicare only and at the whim of the gov for healthcare completely?
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 06:03:29 PM
Wow....

Over 900 bucks a month for the Bronze plan for just me and my wife.

That is seriously ****ed up.

But you get so much more!
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
What a riot...prexisting people don't get hosed...well unless you include being lucky enough to get old as a preexisting condition--at which point one's insurance premium is double what it is for a 40 year old with ZERO subsidies...I even brought down the income at low at 10 grand for a 65 year old(I doubt many people could pay all they need to on that with no house payent, etc...still 160 a month for the cheapest gold--something arguably an older person would need because of the coverage to save from going bankrupt if they get ill or need surgery. ****ing ridiculous...I'm guessing the thinking here is that there won't be enough 65 year olds to out vote the 30 year old masses with children who are getting big subsidies.

Of course, I don't know how Medicare works...I admit that. I would guess you need a supplemental plan--is it not required? How on earth with older peeps do that with the numbers I saw at that site? I assume these would act as those required supplemental plans? Or is that not required and most older folks thenwould now be on crappy ass Medicare only and at the whim of the gov for healthcare completely?

I do that AARP will make a fortune selling supplemental insurance to Medicare.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: jtyangel on November 11, 2013, 06:11:12 PM
I do that AARP will make a fortune selling supplemental insurance to Medicare.

yeah as I recall they had their little piggies all in on this too...when one wants to know who benefits the most in an advocacy situation like this that will generated lot's of mandatory(forced) cash it's helpful to employ the same techniques in fraud situations: follow the money! Most advocates in this cluserfudge are set to benefit financially from this monstrosity; I always find it humorous that the DUmmies get all up in arms when oil companies influence energy policy to their benefits financially, yet when it came to healthcare they totally abandoned the idea of looking where the money points to--well until they got a load of those premiums that is.  :lmao:
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 06:12:58 PM
yeah as I recall they had their little piggies all in on this too...when one wants to know who benefits the most in an advocacy situation like this that will generated lot's of mandatory(forced) cash it's helpful to employ the same techniques in fraud situations: follow the money! Most advocates in this cluserfudge are set to benefit financially from this monstrosity; I always find it humorous that the DUmmies get all up in arms when oil companies influence energy policy to their benefits financially, yet when it came to healthcare they totally abandoned the idea of looking where the money points to--well until they got a load of those premiums that is.  :lmao:

But oil is evil!
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: jtyangel on November 11, 2013, 06:16:39 PM
I'll add they never seem to make the same political connections as they do when another for-profit organization benefits from a piece of legislation ie Cheney and Halliburton. I see they have begun to jump on insurance companies without making the obvious connections to the closed door meetings to put together obamacare with their DEMOCRAT masters. It seems as if corporate greed happens in some isolated vacuum when democrats are involved--a rogue situation which of course some hapless, trusting dem didn't foresee. When corporate greed is involving republicans then it is full boar on the right wing 1% corporatist pig rants all day long and how this should signal the end of capitalism and republicans. Inconsistent dumbasses.

I suppose it never occurs to them that their own democrat leaders are now behaving like JR Ewing screwing over Cliff in a deal--cavalier and well that's how things roll boys. I thought they hate that attitude; guess it's ok to be a cavalier, condescending shithead as long as you are a leftist being the elitist snob.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: jtyangel on November 11, 2013, 06:19:53 PM
But oil is evil!

Apparently, for profit mandated healthcare is too. Only difference is you and I can choose NOT to drive a car and reject the oil company to a large extent should we choose to; since obamacare we no longer have that choice to reject a product we might see as unaffordable or unnecessary or on the grounds that we have ideals that contradict with insurance(a gamble essentially--unless you are Muslim of course--then you may reject it based on your conscience)
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 06:23:36 PM
I'll add they never seem to make the same political connections as they do when another for-profit organization benefits from a piece of legislation ie Cheney and Halliburton. I see they have begun to jump on insurance companies without making the obvious connections to the closed door meetings to put together obamacare with their DEMOCRAT masters. It seems as if corporate greed happens in some isolated vacuum when democrats are involved--a rogue situation which of course some hapless, trusting dem didn't foresee. When corporate greed is involving republicans then it is full boar on the right wing 1% corporatist pig rants all day long and how this should signal the end of capitalism and republicans. Inconsistent dumbasses.

I suppose it never occurs to them that their own democrat leaders are now behaving like JR Ewing screwing over Cliff in a deal--cavalier and well that's how things roll boys. I thought they hate that attitude; guess it's ok to be a cavalier, condescending shithead as long as you are a leftist being the elitist snob.

Some of the DUmmies said the whole thing is a give away for insurance companies, but that was years ago, and haven't seen any of that talk now.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: jtyangel on November 11, 2013, 06:26:26 PM
Some of the DUmmies said the whole thing is a give away for insurance companies, but that was years ago, and haven't seen any of that talk now.

I've seen it, but much of it is disconnected from their own party who not only voted this in, but had closed-door sessions with those same companies constructing this piece of crap. Craziness...
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 06:34:38 PM
I've seen it, but much of it is disconnected from their own party who not only voted this in, but had closed-door sessions with those same companies constructing this piece of crap. Craziness...

Exactly.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: thundley4 on November 11, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
HOLY-MOLY.....$566 per month for the cheapest and $1176 per month for the best.

Thank god sweet thing is still working and got us covered thru work.

Wait until the employer mandate kicks in next year.  If her policy doesn't meet the standards that Obama thinks they should then you will likely be screwed, too.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 11, 2013, 08:25:09 PM
Wait until the employer mandate kicks in next year.  If her policy doesn't meet the standards that Obama thinks they should then you will likely be screwed, too.

She was off work today for the holiday BUT REQUIRED to attend a big company meeting. The head of the company said their insurance was good don't worry about it, everything is OK.....then I told her "Until next year when the employer mandates kick in"....Damn, I ruined her day.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: thundley4 on November 11, 2013, 08:42:50 PM
She was off work today for the holiday BUT REQUIRED to attend a big company meeting. The head of the company said their insurance was good don't worry about it, everything is OK.....then I told her "Until next year when the employer mandates kick in"....Damn, I ruined her day.

I think the employer mandate will cover any policies bought from insurance companies.

 Employers that are self insured might fare a little better by merely having to change their coverage to meet the new standards.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 09:02:56 PM
I would imagine my plan is safe, it's better than anything on the exchange, I do wonder if they are going to slap a tax on it though, I'm not sure if it is what they consider a Cadillac plan or not. What I do know is I don't trust these bastards messing with all of our health insurance. They constantly lie about the damn thing and hardly anyone understands what's in the damn bill. There are also too many variables where the sec of health can determine. Considering how these people used the IRS against us, what's to stop them from screwing with our insurance, and naturally 0bama won't know anything about it.

The fact is, it's the law of the land, like they love saying, and repeal is damn near impossible. When they finally transition us all to single payer, we will look back at now as the good old days. Hold on to your wallets folks, between this and all the climate change bs, and amnesty for illegals taxes are about to go through the roof.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Chris_ on November 11, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
I hope Cadillac sues Barack Obama for slander.

Oh wait, he already owns their asses.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Freeper on November 11, 2013, 09:12:01 PM
I hope Cadillac sues Barack Obama for slander.

Oh wait, he already owns their asses.

Well at least for now, if you like your car you can keep your car period!
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: obumazombie on November 11, 2013, 11:13:26 PM
And the steaming pile gets steamier...
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Wineslob on November 13, 2013, 01:33:08 PM
I decided to add my wife and daughter.......................... :o


This is MORE than my mortgage!
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Standard Coinsurance Plans - PPO SelectSilver
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Anthem

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Blue Shield

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Seriously, who the hell can afford this?
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: Mike220 on November 13, 2013, 01:38:35 PM
I decided to add my wife and daughter.......................... :o


This is MORE than my mortgage!
Seriously, who the hell can afford this?

Shut up peasant. You'll buy it and be grateful for the opportunity.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: NHSparky on November 14, 2013, 08:11:13 AM
And considering that ALL of those plans have higher deductibles and out-of-pocket limits than what I'm on currently...oh, yeah.

Dis gun b gud.
Title: Re: Obamacare; 3 programmers do what the gubmint couldn't do in 3 years...
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 14, 2013, 08:21:05 AM
I decided to add my wife and daughter.......................... :o


This is MORE than my mortgage!
Seriously, who the hell can afford this?

Obama.....he's fixed for life.....shame his mother and grandmother wasn't.