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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: txradioguy on November 04, 2013, 05:43:08 AM
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The National Republican Senate Committee, the GOP campaign arm responsible for Senate elections, has decided to use its political power to block consulting firm Jamestown Associates from receiving political work from GOP candidates or incumbents.
Jamestown's "sin" is working with the Senate Conservative Fund, an organization that supports conservative candidates for the US Senate.
NRSC communications staffer Brad Dayspring, a former spokesman for House Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), told The New York Times on Friday, “We’re not going to do business with people who profit off of attacking Republicans. Purity for profit is a disease that threatens the Republican Party.â€
Jamestown Associates has done work with the Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF), a conservative group largely responsible for the elections of Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Mike Lee (R-UT), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Rand Paul (R-KY), Deb Fischer (R-NE), Pat Toomey (R-PA), and Ron Johnson (R-WI), among others. Former Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC), who left the U.S. Senate last year to become the president of the Heritage Foundation, founded SCF.
"In a warning shot to outside conservative groups, the National Republican Senatorial Committee this week informed a prominent Republican advertising firm that it would not receive any contracts with the campaign committee because of its work with a group that targets incumbent Senate Republicans," the Times wrote.
"Even more striking," the Times continued, "a senior official at the committee called individual Republican Senate campaigns and other party organizations this week and urged them not to hire the firm, Jamestown Associates, in an effort to punish them for working for the Senate Conservatives Fund, a group founded by Jim DeMint, then a South Carolina senator, that is trying to unseat Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, and some other incumbents up for re-election next year whom it finds insufficiently conservative."
The Times notes that a large part of the reason why SCF has drawn the ire of the GOP establishment is its endorsement of McConnell’s primary challenger, businessman Matt Bevin. McConnell’s chief of staff Josh Holmes, who is now working for the NRSC through the election, told the Times that McConnell plans to beat up SCF for being conservative like he would if it were a bar fight. “S.C.F. has been wandering around the country destroying the Republican Party like a drunk who tears up every bar they walk into,†Holmes said. “The difference this cycle is that they strolled into Mitch McConnell’s bar and he doesn’t throw you out, he locks the door.â€
Brian Walsh, former NRSC communications director and currently lobbyist for the bipartisan firm Singer-Bonjean, has aggressively tweeted his support for this new campaign against conservatives’ work prospects.
“Important stand by the @NRSC - Republicans who profit off of attacking other Republicans will not get their business,†Walsh tweeted as the Times published its piece. Walsh, who works for former top Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) aide Phil Singer at Singer-Bonjean, attempted to frame the NRSC’s attack on Jamestown Associates as an effort to clean up the GOP from conservatives that he says are “professional operatives profiting off of attacking Republicans.â€
Some conservatives are pushing back at the NRSC. Rep. Mark Sanford (R-SC), a conservative who won his comeback election with no establishment support, has offered up his public support of Jamestown Associates.
“When some in DC stepped away from our race Jamestown Assoc. stood with us and fought,†Sanford tweeted in response to the Times article. “What a few in DC think won't change that.â€
John Drogin, the state director for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)—a conservative who also employs Jamestown Associates—similarly tweeted out support for the firm. “Jamestown is good firm, doing good work for conservatives, including @tedcruz,†Drogin tweeted.
A Republican strategist told Breitbart News he believed the NRSC action was designed to send a warning shot across the bow of other GOP consulting firms. "The NRSC action against Jamestown is designed to send a message to the other political firms. If they work with conservative challengers, [the NRSC] will block you from working with other candidates or incumbents."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/02/GOP-establishment-attempts-to-cut-off-business-to-conservatives-in-latest-shot-at-Tea-Party
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I believe your headline to be misleading. Shouldn't it instead say "GOP establishment seeks to isolate base, commits political suicide"?
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I believe your headline to be misleading. Shouldn't it instead say "GOP establishment seeks to isolate base, commits political suicide"?
WORKS FOR ME! Their driving a wedge up my ass.....and I don't like it. :argh:
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I'm glad the mask has fallen from these smarmy turds. Let's get it on. This country is going over the cliff no matter which party is in charge of the House and Senate. Conservatives need to be ready to pick up the pieces.
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I'm glad the mask has fallen from these smarmy turds.
I think we can call this the "Cruz Dividend".
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I believe your headline to be misleading. Shouldn't it instead say "GOP establishment seeks to isolate base, commits political suicide"?
Yup. Consider that Reagan would be too conservative by RNC standards, and too liberal by the 100 percenter standards.
FML.
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When is the GOP going to change their name to reflect truth in advertising laws? The New Democrat Lite Party, more in common with Democratics than with Conservatives.
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When is the GOP going to change their name to reflect truth in advertising laws? The New Democrat Lite Party, more in common with Democratics than with Conservatives.
Every conservative website I visit, has nothing good to say about the GOP. Makes you wonder who they are listening to and who they think will support them.
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For what it's worth:
Angry Tea Party leaders go 'RINO' hunting for would-be Republicans
Tea Party leaders Monday announced plans to hunt down the 87 House Republicans who recently voted to reopen the government, fund Obamacare and raise the debt ceiling, and demand they return donations from conservatives.
The same group recently launched PrimaryTraitors.com to rally support for primaries against the 87.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/angry-tea-party-leaders-go-rino-hunting-for-would-be-republicans/article/2538416
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Christie is going to win overwhelmingly in New Jersey tomorrow New Jersey is a blue state. Cuccinelli is probably going to get beat in Virginia, even with the Obamacare fiasco out there. Virginia should be red.
I have no freaking idea what to think anymore. I've talked myself into voting for Romney (not just against Obama, if you know what I mean). I hated it, but I voted for McCain.
I remain a social conservative. We need to get as many of these fights as we cann (marriage, etc.) on the local level. Because federally, things are going to suck for a while.
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Christie is going to win overwhelmingly in New Jersey tomorrow New Jersey is a blue state. Cuccinelli is probably going to get beat in Virginia, even with the Obamacare fiasco out there. Virginia should be red.
No guarantees about Virginia, and no surprises about New Jersey. Wait until tomorrow when all of the votes are counted.
I have no freaking idea what to think anymore. I've talked myself into voting for Romney (not just against Obama, if you know what I mean). I hated it, but I voted for McCain.
I voted for both of them as well. However, if the establishment puts up another shithead RINO/Dem-Lite, I will leave the President slot blank.
I remain a social conservative. We need to get as many of these fights as we cann (marriage, etc.) on the local level. Because federally, things are going to suck for a while.
This is where politics matter the most and from which everything else flows. Get involved at the local level and push upwards towards State and Federal. Right now, the local and state levels are where conservatives are winning biggest.
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No guarantees about Virginia, and no surprises about New Jersey. Wait until tomorrow when all of the votes are counted.
I voted for both of them as well. However, if the establishment puts up another shithead RINO/Dem-Lite, I will leave the President slot blank.
This is where politics matter the most and from which everything else flows. Get involved at the local level and push upwards towards State and Federal. Right now, the local and state levels are where conservatives are winning biggest.
I have wondered why conservatives fare well in local and state, but not so at federal.
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Yup. Consider that Reagan would be too conservative by RNC standards, and too liberal by the 100 percenter standards.
FML.
I for one am getting fairly sick of BOTH the 100%ers AND the RINOs (I.e. the GOP party leadership), each is more concerned about itself in the primaries than about the DemonRats in the general elections.
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I have wondered why conservatives fare well in local and state, but not so at federal.
Well, liberals and RINO's have muti-billion dollar mouth pieces in the form of print media and TV that distort conservative views and get a twinkling up their legs supporting socialistic policies/views. That in itself puts a conservative at a big disadvantage in congressional elections.
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I for one am getting fairly sick of BOTH the 100%ers AND the RINOs (I.e. the GOP party leadership), each is more concerned about itself in the primaries than about the DemonRats in the general elections.
You have said this a couple of times. I'm very interested in what you consider a 100%er to be. Would Senator Ted Cruz meet your definition?
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Your never going to get a perfect candidate. Both parties have swings in their supporters. There is no way you can please everyone.
But I do think this next election will come down to people voting their wallets.
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The Old Guard Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I call them OGRES = Old Guard Republicans.
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game on Washington generals the rinos could get schooled by a middle school team. barracks globe trotters spin the ball and you keep looking lost. whats that barrys globe trotters scored another 2 trillion on you? if I am a betting man the gop will be the new version of the Houston oilers always pretending never contending.
jctejas
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I for one am getting fairly sick of BOTH the 100%ers AND the RINOs (I.e. the GOP party leadership), each is more concerned about itself in the primaries than about the DemonRats in the general elections.
I may be a 100%'er if you mean; I vote for people who tell the truth and not just SAY they are conservative then vote with democrats most of the time on BIG issues.
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As of this moment my voting policy will be, if I have a tea party candidate to vote for then I will vote for him or her. If I have a establishment RINO to vote for then I will vote for the democrat. If I can't vote for a candidate who will try to fix this country then I will vote for the candidate who will bring it down the quickest. A vote for a RINO is a vote for a democrat and I have no plans on humoring a RINO by letting him or her think I support them. If the old guard cannot support the new guard then I will do my part to disenfranchise the old guard.
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You have said this a couple of times. I'm very interested in what you consider a 100%er to be. Would Senator Ted Cruz meet your definition?
I respect what Cruz did, and although the outcome was a foregone conclusion, I think he made an important statement. Of course he knew it was a purely symbolic act, and it would not succeed in forcing a default or keeping the government shut down, and a serious shot at doing either of those is not something I would respect.
Really what I'm talking about is more about the voters than the candidates, since you and JP are so interested in definitions on this. A voter who will refuse to vote for a candidate who always lines up with the other side, and sells his own party out on a regular basis, say, like McCain? That I can understand. A voter who refuses to show at all or goes for some third party dipshit who couldn't get more than 3% of the vote even if he were allowed to use his whole campaign fund for bribes, all because the party's candidate actually voted for something the party wanted him to, like a budget deal? No.
I can understand particular do-or-die issues like abortion or RKBA keeping someone from voting for the candidate of the party otherwise-closest to the voter's own views, after all, what's the point of voting to cut your OWN throat on an issue that is critical to you? Some things are just deal breakers. But, applying that same level of fall-on-your-sword importance to anything that is necessarily going to involve compromise and negotiation, like the budget, when your own favored position doesn't have anywhere remotely near the vote total necessary to prevail, and then carrying a grudge about the fact that reality sucks against the party over it into the next general election, is just a ticket to Loserville and making yourself the even-worse-party's permanent bitch. Seriously, there is going to be a budget, and there are going to be taxes to fund it, and any position on that fact of life that falls short of support by a veto-proof majority in both House and Senate is going to involve negotiation and compromise...and the farther you are from that kind of majority, the more of a beating your own position or party faction is going to take in that process.
We had a three-way race for the R Senate candidate here not that long ago, none of them the RINO everyone fears and raises up as a bogeyman (Or strawman). The hardest-right one was the least-electable for a variety of reasons, including the fact he was a dope, if certainly the 'Purest.' Either one of the other two would have been fine Senators representing somewhat broader Conservative bandwidth, and would likely have beat the incumbent because of that. But, the D incumbent knew that guy was the one least likely to beat her, and so she was a very big contributor to his primary campaign, which he won with a lot of help from her well-invested advertising dollars. He proceeded to shoot himself in the foot irretrievably after winning the primary, but being a dope, was convinced he was on a mission from God (Really) and so ignored the pleas of everyone who wanted to see the seat change from D to R, because in his magical thinking world, God was going to make him a winner. God didn't see it that way apparently, because we still have the crooked witch of an Obamabot for a Senator now, and it wasn't even close.
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We had a three-way race for the R Senate candidate here not that long ago, none of them the RINO everyone fears and raises up as a bogeyman (Or strawman). The hardest-right one was the least-electable for a variety of reasons, including the fact he was a dope, if certainly the 'Purest.' Either one of the other two would have been fine Senators representing somewhat broader Conservative bandwidth, and would likely have beat the incumbent because of that. But, the D incumbent knew that guy was the one least likely to beat her, and so she was a very big contributor to his primary campaign, which he won with a lot of help from her well-invested advertising dollars. He proceeded to shoot himself in the foot irretrievably after winning the primary, but being a dope, was convinced he was on a mission from God (Really) and so ignored the pleas of everyone who wanted to see the seat change from D to R, because in his magical thinking world, God was going to make him a winner. God didn't see it that way apparently, because we still have the crooked witch of an Obamabot for a Senator now, and it wasn't even close.
Todd Akin never should have made it past the primary. He was a loser before the primary, he was a loser during the runup to the election, and Claire McCaskill knew she had it in the bag when Akin became the GOP candidate.
When the GOP can't even convince a loser like Akin to back the **** off and resign after making the dumbass statements he did, that convinced me that the GOP -- as a political force -- is not what it should be.
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Todd Akin never should have made it past the primary. He was a loser before the primary, he was a loser during the runup to the election, and Claire McCaskill knew she had it in the bag when Akin became the GOP candidate.
When the GOP can't even convince a loser like Akin to back the **** off and resign after making the dumbass statements he did, that convinced me that the GOP -- as a political force -- is not what it should be.
Yeah, but the problem with trying to convince some nutbar that God really isn't telling him stay the course is that only God Himself can reel him back in. The GOP pretty much played every card they had up until the withdrawal deadline, pulling his funding and getting damn' every senior statesman available to try to talk him down off the ledge, but the dumb SOB insisted on jumping.
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Yeah, but the problem with trying to convince some nutbar that God really isn't telling him stay the course is that only God Himself can reel him back in. The GOP pretty much played every card they had up until the withdrawal deadline, pulling his funding and getting damn' every senior statesman available to try to talk him down off the ledge, but the dumb SOB insisted on jumping.
True 'nuff, but as an example of how the GOP won't play just as dirty as the Dems in a make-it-or-break-it situation, Akin never had a small little "accident" -- enough to pull him out of the election.
I say that sort of thing knowing that it's reprehensible, but then again, Slick Willie and Thunder Thighs never had a problem playing at that level.
A bit off-topic, but I'm wonderin' how Bill and Hillary's boy McAuliffe is doing in Virginia...
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I respect what Cruz did, and although the outcome was a foregone conclusion, I think he made an important statement. Of course he knew it was a purely symbolic act, and it would not succeed in forcing a default or keeping the government shut down, and a serious shot at doing either of those is not something I would respect.
I really wish conservatives would stop using the false meme of forcing "default". With $230 billion coming in every month and $30 billion debt service it wasn't going to happen. Of course O'bamer could have violated the constitution and forced default. I guess the threat of that should have put the most "pure" conservative on their knees. Further, polls show about 70% of the country didn't notice any effects of the 15-20% "shutdown" but, "good" conservatives went right along with the press crying about the stupid Tea Party shutdown.
Perhaps you failed to notice the $600 billion we went further into debt just in October. That's OK "good" Republicans haven't mentioned it either.
The Tea Party has had a couple failures that were wildly celebrated and, I could see that putting you off on the 100$ers. I guess rather than try to get it right, we should just settle into the status of the minority loyal opposition. I guess a good way to start might be for McConnel and Boner to jump in and help democrats make obungacare even better.
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Todd Akin never should have made it past the primary. He was a loser before the primary, he was a loser during the runup to the election, and Claire McCaskill knew she had it in the bag when Akin became the GOP candidate.
When the GOP can't even convince a loser like Akin to back the **** off and resign after making the dumbass statements he did, that convinced me that the GOP -- as a political force -- is not what it should be.
I met Jim Talent in D.C. when I took the family there. He insisted on giving us a tour of the capital building. I don't know how he lost to McCaskill.
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I met Jim Talent in D.C. when I took the family there. He insisted on giving us a tour of the capital building. I don't know how he lost to McCaskill.
Well, she's a lying, thieving liberal Democrat who simply worships the ground Barry walks on.
What's not to love? :whatever:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i317/Eupher6/mccaskill.jpg)
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You have said this a couple of times. I'm very interested in what you consider a 100%er to be. Would Senator Ted Cruz meet your definition?
I don't think Cruz would be. Ron Paul was, well, 100 percenter batshit crazy and hypocritical, anyway, as were most of his followers.
I for one don't believe there are any hard-core 100 percenters in the Senate, and I'd be hard pressed to find more than a couple in the House these days.
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Your never going to get a perfect candidate. Both parties have swings in their supporters. There is no way you can please everyone.
But I do think this next election will come down to people voting their wallets.
Well, that's what a lot of people have done the last couple of election cycles...who can gimme more free shit?
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I really wish conservatives would stop using the false meme of forcing "default". With $230 billion coming in every month and $30 billion debt service it wasn't going to happen. Of course O'bamer could have violated the constitution and forced default. I guess the threat of that should have put the most "pure" conservative on their knees. Further, polls show about 70% of the country didn't notice any effects of the 15-20% "shutdown" but, "good" conservatives went right along with the press crying about the stupid Tea Party shutdown.
Perhaps you failed to notice the $600 billion we went further into debt just in October. That's OK "good" Republicans haven't mentioned it either.
The Tea Party has had a couple failures that were wildly celebrated and, I could see that putting you off on the 100$ers. I guess rather than try to get it right, we should just settle into the status of the minority loyal opposition. I guess a good way to start might be for McConnel and Boner to jump in and help democrats make obungacare even better.
Opinions differ, ours clearly aren't going to meet.
The whole debt service argument is one I regard as very poorly thought out. It relies on prioritization of payments, and SOMEBODY gets screwed when all the outflows exceed the inflows, whether it comes down to prioritizing payments to pay bonds first (Half of them in China) at the expense of veterans, people who have sold stuff to the government and want paid, or whoever else ranks lower with Obama than welfare and solar energy companies. It still screws somebody, and you can bet your ass it won't be somebody Obama likes. It also tanks the creditworthiness of the government, which kicks new issue bond interest rates into an escalating death spiral because reliably paying ALL debts and obligations, not just the bonds, is the foundation of the bond rating. Who would be in charge of prioritizing those payouts? Hint: Not us. The Oministration would decide who would get paid first, and anything benefiting his core constituencies and contributors would be far, far ahead of anything else on the priority list.
You can't just stop paying your debts because you think you're too deep in debt, that is insolvency and ends in either bankruptcy court or a ton of trouble with creditors, at the very least paying a lot more for any future credit when you finally realize that isn't really going to work. It works the same way for a government, except bankruptcy isn't an option. You can stop contracting new ones in excess of revenues*, but that ain't gonna happen as long as the Dems control at least one house of Congress, the Oministration remains in control of the Executive branch, and the press demonizes any group trying to stand in the way of 'Business as usual' because they are both pro-Leftist and because Populist bullshit without accountability or a sound plan to pay for it sells like hotcakes in media and politics.
*Of course, as the CBO's cost analysis of the ACA shows for the current system of balancing costs and revenues, the way Congress does cost out its legislation is so thoroughly gamed, transparently corrupt, and based on allowing patently-ridiculous assumptions in its basis that it's essentially meaningless as a check-and-balance or management control sense.
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It also tanks the creditworthiness of the government, which kicks new issue bond interest rates into an escalating death spiral because reliably paying ALL debts and obligations, not just the bonds, is the foundation of the bond rating.
the press demonizes any group trying to stand in the way of 'Business as usual' because they are both pro-Leftist and because Populist bullshit without accountability or a sound plan to pay for it sells like hotcakes in media and politics.
Well that settles it. Loyal minority opposition it is.
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While reading this thread I'm reminded of one Ronald Reagan;
Although he did not formally declare his candidacy until November 1979, Reagan made it clear to his inner circle from the moment of the 1976 convention that he intended to again seek the presidency. He was the choice of rank-and-file Republican voters in public opinion polls although many establishment GOP politicians thought he was too conservative and perhaps too old to win the White House.
http://millercenter.org/president/reagan/essays/biography/3
If the "establishment GOP politicians" had their way we would never have had a President Reagan. :censored:
Establishment GOP politicians = LOSERS.
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I respect what Cruz did, and although the outcome was a foregone conclusion, I think he made an important statement. Of course he knew it was a purely symbolic act, and it would not succeed in forcing a default or keeping the government shut down, and a serious shot at doing either of those is not something I would respect.
A past the surface analysis will show that the democrats were not Cruz's intended target. He knew what they were going to say, and do, and how they were going to say and do it. The true target, the one that he smoked out, were the RINOs and the democrat enablers. It will remain to be seen how effective his tactic was during the primaries and what type of followup action he performs before them.
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A past the surface analysis will show that the democrats were not Cruz's intended target. He knew what they were going to say, and do, and how they were going to say and do it. The true target, the one that he smoked out, were the RINOs and the democrat enablers. It will remain to be seen how effective his tactic was during the primaries and what type of followup action he performs before them.
Amen, you said it much better than I could.
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A past the surface analysis will show that the democrats were not Cruz's intended target. He knew what they were going to say, and do, and how they were going to say and do it. The true target, the one that he smoked out, were the RINOs and the democrat enablers. It will remain to be seen how effective his tactic was during the primaries and what type of followup action he performs before them.
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Shutting down the gov. down probably cost the Repubs the Gov. race in VA. Anyone that thought Reid or Obama would give an inch was a fool. We all knew that Bonehead would crumble. However, it is evident that the Democrats are running far and wide away from Obummer and his health care plan.
As far as I am concerned, Cruz's plan was all show and no go. Like the Kenny R. song, you got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them.
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Shutting down the gov. down probably cost the Repubs the Gov. race in VA.
Bull.
The Clinton bag man was supposed to win this one walking away, especially after the shutdown (polls said Dem +21). The shutdown wasn't the deciding factor, especially with polled govt workers who live in blue, DC Hell.
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Bull.
The Clinton bag man was supposed to win this one walking away, especially after the shutdown (polls said Dem +21). The shutdown wasn't the deciding factor, especially with polled govt workers who live in blue, DC Hell.
The Dem backed Paulite candidate took 6% of the vote.
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The Dem backed Paulite candidate took 6% of the vote.
Imagine what could have happened if the RNC hadn't stabbed Cuccinelli in the back. The loss in the VA race was as much the fault of the RNC as it was anything else.
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The fact that the media and RNC are already pimping Christie as the GOP 2016 nominee tells me I'm staying home.
No way in hell I'm voting for him. NO. WAY. IN. HELL.
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The fact that the media and RNC are already pimping Christie as the GOP 2016 nominee tells me I'm staying home.
No way in hell I'm voting for him. NO. WAY. IN. HELL.
Fatboy ain't getting my vote either. I'm damn tied of voting democrat lite-to-heavy.
My US representative(Mick Mulvaney) is holding a town hall meeting 35 miles away tonight. I might just ride over there to give him 10 seconds worth of my thoughts to take back to Washington.
Why just 10 seconds.....I'm gonna take out most of the cuss words and that'll only leave me 10 seconds worth of dialog.
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The fact that the media and RNC are already pimping Christie as the GOP 2016 nominee tells me I'm staying home.
No way in hell I'm voting for him. NO. WAY. IN. HELL.
This is another instance where the Dems WANT this guy to be the nominee so they can chop him off at the knees and have four more years of Socialism.
There are sleleton's in his closet the left is DYING to drag out if he runs. And they will. And they are serious things that the GOP should seriously distance themselves from...but they won't.
The media will stoke this clown's enormous ego and be nice to him right up to the moment he (God forbid) becomes the nominee then the'll kneecap him just like they did McCain.
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As of this moment my voting policy will be, if I have a tea party candidate to vote for then I will vote for him or her. If I have a establishment RINO to vote for then I will vote for the democrat. If I can't vote for a candidate who will try to fix this country then I will vote for the candidate who will bring it down the quickest. A vote for a RINO is a vote for a democrat and I have no plans on humoring a RINO by letting him or her think I support them. If the old guard cannot support the new guard then I will do my part to disenfranchise the old guard.
Problem with this thinking--that's how we get Obama in and his minions. The part about brining down he country the quickest is frightening.
It's a total dilemna. I strongly dislike the RINOs, particulary McCain and Mitch McCollum. The problem is that it's almost impossible to rectify the damage and destruction brought about by Obama.
We somehow need to put pressure on the RINO's quickly to get in step with the conservatives. We won't have a country if some folk at a way higher pay grade than me figre out how to get it done.
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This is another instance where the Dems WANT this guy to be the nominee so they can chop him off at the knees and have four more years of Socialism.
There are sleleton's in his closet the left is DYING to drag out if he runs. And they will. And they are serious things that the GOP should seriously distance themselves from...but they won't.
The media will stoke this clown's enormous ego and be nice to him right up to the moment he (God forbid) becomes the nominee then the'll kneecap him just like they did McCain.
McCain still hasn't leaned, preens himself in front of the press. They really stoked his ego. It doesn't take much to do the same with Christie. Last night has me sick. It was the worst possible result. Christie up, the tea party down (thanks to the dirty dem politics in Virgnia).
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Last night has me sick. It was the worst possible result. Christie up, the tea party down (thanks to the dirty dem politics in Virgnia).
Don't believe the narrative, SLW. The TEA Party did just fine without RNC help and local elections went pretty well. The RNC establishment wanted this loss so they can try and tell us that conservatism is dead and the TEA Party are extremists, right in lockstep with their democrat brethren. I don't see people being defeated as much as they are getting angry. The RNC will change or they will die, simple as that.
Keep the course and don't get discouraged, there are battles lost in a war.
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The Dem backed Paulite candidate took 6% of the vote.
I wouldn't call the so called Libertarian in the this election a Paulite since Ron Paul himself was in Virginia warning libertarians there not to vote for this fake. Unfortunately not enough of them heard him to make a difference.
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Don't believe the narrative, SLW. The TEA Party did just fine without RNC help and local elections went pretty well. The RNC establishment wanted this loss so they can try and tell us that conservatism is dead and the TEA Party are extremists, right in lockstep with their democrat brethren. I don't see people being defeated as much as they are getting angry. The RNC will change or they will die, simple as that.
Keep the course and don't get discouraged, there are battles lost in a war.
:yeahthat: :agree: :exactly:
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There were robocalls calling Cuccinelli an abortionist. The RNC yanked funding in early October and gave it to Christie. Without the third party plant, we would have won it. If those that sat home because they believed the polls that had McAntiLife winning big-time had got off their duffs and voted, we would have won.
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There's a lot of truth and a lot of magical thinking mixed up together in this thread. The real bottom line is that coalitions win national elections, hard stands don't, but it's also important not to abandon your core beliefs just for the sake of the coalition, because then victory is meaningless. Vote for some no-chance hard-over guy who perfectly reflects your own ideas, like Ron Paul, if you want, but the GOP will have plenty of company in Loserville, including you and the guy you voted for. Suit yourselves.
Yeah, the shutdown probably did cost Cuccinelli the VA election, but that's really because of the unique makeup of the VA electorate, which has a hugely disproportionate number of Federal employees and Federal contractors who were directly and personally affected by it, and wanted to take it out on someone...though the Paulista no doubt pulled votes because Cuccinelli wasn't pure enough Libertarian for them (Reminds me of something else in this thread...), and the RNC's lack of support put the guy in a ridiculously-unequal spending contest. Changing any one of the three would have probably changed the outcome, but I'm sure the Beltway GOP will try blame it on the candidate rather than their own crappy support or the shutdown, though the Conservative hard-liners will join them in saying it wasn't the shutdown because that might mean actions have consequences, an alien thought in politics on both sides of the aisle.
I won't be voting for fat boy either, mostly because of RKBA but also because he's an asshole. Fox and the Beltway GOP will love him because being an asshole passes for charisma in their part of the country, and he is a (Somewhat) Fiscal Conservative. However, he has no use for Social Conservatives or Libertarian Conservatives. Like John McCain, there is neither any Lib/Prog social agenda he will discount as over-the-top, nor is there any invasion of privacy and personal liberty he regards as 'Too much' if he thinks it connects to national security or turning the populace into an unarmed rabbit warren under the watchful control of police and security agencies.
Cruz was really unmasking the RINOs? Ummm, okay, I'm sure self-immolation of the Right coalition by a stagnant-growth minority faction of that (losing in the last general elections) coalition would be a brilliant strategy in some dimension. I prefer to give him the more-charitable evaluation of "Last great act of defiance" however "Surface" others might regard it.
Flame away, I don't give a shit, I'm done with this thread.
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Cruz was really unmasking the RINOs?
If not really unmasking them he confirmed for everyone who they were.
Ummm, okay, I'm sure self-immolation of the Right coalition by a stagnant-growth minority faction of that (losing in the last general elections) coalition would be a brilliant strategy in some dimension.
Huh?
I prefer to give him the more-charitable evaluation of "Last great act of defiance" however "Surface" others might regard it.
So standing up to the shit sandwich that is Obamacare...trying to do something to reign in the financial irresponsibility is the "last great act of defiance"?
Ummm....ok. :whatever:
Flame away, I don't give a shit, I'm done with this thread.
What's with the bitterness?
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When I created my avatar, it was done prior to the 2010 elections in order to effect change, which was quite successful in turning the House. But the message is clear: The CURRENT enemy must be focused NOT on the Democrats and current media, which is no different than Soviet KGB-enforced socialist communism in practice, but against the GOP establishment. Frankly, we are so polarized that if you are NOT Tea Party, you are, with all pragmatic honesty, a BIGGER supporter of the Communist Manufesto than the American Constitution. This is not rhetoric, but pragmatic FACT. Yes I said it: Chris Christie and John McCain's policies emanate more closely from Cold War era Socialist policies than fundamental American policies, and must be treated as such.
So what to do? This is the stickler. An army united against a common enemy has far less problems and far more resolve than an army riddled with 5th column infiltrators. When you are busy fighting your own officers for policies that surrender and appeasement is mandated over armed engagement, you have a nightmare tragedy. This is EXACTLY where we are at.
So our first order of business is attacking the GOP establishment. Let the left gloat for now, and of course, we gotta stave off their own march as much as possible. But I suspect the Alinsky operatives have completely poisoned the waters. This country may have to fall completely before resurrection is possible, and that means our children and grandchildren will bear this brunt.
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When I created my avatar, it was done prior to the 2010 elections in order to effect change, which was quite successful in turning the House. But the message is clear: The CURRENT enemy must be focused NOT on the Democrats and current media, which is no different than Soviet KGB-enforced socialist communism in practice, but against the GOP establishment. Frankly, we are so polarized that if you are NOT Tea Party, you are, with all pragmatic honesty, a BIGGER supporter of the Communist Manufesto than the American Constitution. This is not rhetoric, but pragmatic FACT. Yes I said it: Chris Christie and John McCain's policies emanate more closely from Cold War era Socialist policies than fundamental American policies, and must be treated as such.
So what to do? This is the stickler. An army united against a common enemy has far less problems and far more resolve than an army riddled with 5th column infiltrators. When you are busy fighting your own officers for policies that surrender and appeasement is mandated over armed engagement, you have a nightmare tragedy. This is EXACTLY where we are at.
So our first order of business is attacking the GOP establishment. Let the left gloat for now, and of course, we gotta stave off their own march as much as possible. But I suspect the Alinsky operatives have completely poisoned the waters. This country may have to fall completely before resurrection is possible, and that means our children and grandchildren will bear this brunt.
I hope you are wrong but, either way I'm going to keep fighting for my grandkids. Right now the Tea Party is all we've got and, if we can keep growing the rinos will eventually come in to the fold. In the final analysis, all the rinos are about is holding on to their office. They have no other principles.
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Cruz was really unmasking the RINOs? Ummm, okay, I'm sure self-immolation of the Right coalition by a stagnant-growth minority faction of that (losing in the last general elections) coalition would be a brilliant strategy in some dimension. I prefer to give him the more-charitable evaluation of "Last great act of defiance" however "Surface" others might regard it.
So, bending over and taking it in the tailpipe in the hopes of election wins was the most wise decision?
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I hope you are wrong but, either way I'm going to keep fighting for my grandkids. Right now the Tea Party is all we've got and, if we can keep growing the rinos will eventually come in to the fold. In the final analysis, all the rinos are about is holding on to their office. They have no other principles.
I'm doing the same. I pray I do not have to vote for Christie that I fear will be rammed down our throats, but I am unwilling to sit home and be party to the further destruction of this country for another 8 years. I couldn't look my children and grandkids in the face if I did so.
Call me naive, but I firmly believe that if the TEA Party does not get discouraged, we will eventually win the war as well as striking the fear of God into the RINOs and Nutters.
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I'm doing the same. I pray I do not have to vote for Christie that I fear will be rammed down our throats, but I am unwilling to sit home and be party to the further destruction of this country for another 8 years. I couldn't look my children and grandkids in the face if I did so.
Call me naive, but I firmly believe that if the TEA Party does not get discouraged, we will eventually win the war as well as striking the fear of God into the RINOs and Nutters.
Democraps are desperate to get rino fingerprints on any of their programs. Their latest meme is that the rinos need to jump in and "improve" O'bummercare. Christi will put Republican fingerprints on the assault on the 2nd Amendment whether he gets elected or not. If they jam Christi down our throats, there will be a major 3rd party candidate.
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Democraps are desperate to get rino fingerprints on any of their programs. Their latest meme is that the rinos need to jump in and "improve" O'bummercare. Christi will put Republican fingerprints on the assault on the 2nd Amendment whether he gets elected or not. If they jam Christi down our throats, there will be a major 3rd party candidate.
If that happens, we'll get the Hildabeast. :banghead:
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Yup. Consider that Reagan would be too conservative by RNC standards, and too liberal by the 100 percenter standards.
FML.
I have heard Rush say on several occasions that even in the 80s the GOP wasn't fond of Reagan.
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I have heard Rush say on several occasions that even in the 80s the GOP wasn't fond of Reagan.
I was there and it was well beyond not fond. Fortunately for Reagan, the Dems, press and rinos weren't as well coordinated as they are now.
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I was there and it was well beyond not fond. Fortunately for Reagan, the Dems, press and rinos weren't as well coordinated as they are now.
I was there too, but I was just a kid.
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Bull.
The Clinton bag man was supposed to win this one walking away, especially after the shutdown (polls said Dem +21). The shutdown wasn't the deciding factor, especially with polled govt workers who live in blue, DC Hell.
Independent voters are the deciding factor in most Congressional and State races. They did NOT like the shutdown. Got it!
Obamacare will be a thorn in the side of Democrats in 2014.
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Every conservative website I visit, has nothing good to say about the GOP. Makes you wonder who they are listening to and who they think will support them.
They live in an echo chamber circle jerk.
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Makes you wonder who they are listening to and who they think will support them.
The Chamber of Commerce Benedict Arnold's PAC's and Big Business. The same people that didn't open their wallets to Cuccinelli. Also the people like John Boehner that are donation generating machines that pick and choose who gets $$$$ for their campaign.
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Every conservative website I visit, has nothing good to say about the GOP. Makes you wonder who they are listening to and who they think will support them.
They only listen to their kinds and associate with their kind. A very insular group. :mental:
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I have heard Rush say on several occasions that even in the 80s the GOP wasn't fond of Reagan.
Although he did not formally declare his candidacy until November 1979, Reagan made it clear to his inner circle from the moment of the 1976 convention that he intended to again seek the presidency. He was the choice of rank-and-file Republican voters in public opinion polls although many establishment GOP politicians thought he was too conservative and perhaps too old to win the White House.
http://millercenter.org/p...reagan/essays/biography/3
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Independent voters are the deciding factor in most Congressional and State races. They did NOT like the shutdown. Got it!
Okay, link it.
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Okay, link it.
Google is your friend. According to Gallup, 40% call themselves Independents 31% Democrats and 27% Repubs. Independents DECIDE Presidential, State and local races.
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Okay, link it.
I second that motion. Raging commies call themselves "independent" so do paulites and Tea Partiers like myself.
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Google is your friend. According to Gallup, 40% call themselves Independents 31% Democrats and 27% Repubs. Independents DECIDE Presidential, State and local races.
You are implying "independents" are all moderates and, you would be wrong.
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Google is your friend.
No.
Your claim is that independents, mad about the shutdown, cost Cuccinelli a governorship. I am a no kidding, can show it to you on the card, registered independent, and I am asking you to cite what you just claimed as it applies to the VA gov race.
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Google is your friend. According to Gallup, 40% call themselves Independents 31% Democrats and 27% Repubs. Independents DECIDE Presidential, State and local races.
BUT, Romney won the independents.........and lost. :whistling:
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You are implying "independents" are all moderates and, you would be wrong.
Nope cause you could say all Repubs are conservatives, and you would be wrong. It is also true that some blue dog democrats of yesteryear were more conservative than RINO's. I am stating the poll that when voters were asked whether they are Repubs, Democrats or Independents, the majority said they voted independently of either party. My take is that independent voters were put off on the shutdown and punished the Repub candidate in VA. That is my opinion of why he lost.
I registered as a democrat over 40 years ago because the state would not allow cross voting in primaries and at that time the Repub party was very weak. Never voted for a Democrat in my life.
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BUT, Romney won the independents.........and lost. :whistling:
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Because of the lower vote from Repubs. Many conservatives stayed home rather than vote for a Yankee RINO. The same shit will happen if he runs again or heaven forbid fat boy gets the nomination.
You could call me an independent. Just because I am a registered Democrat does not MEAN squat. Never voted for a democrat.