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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ralph Wiggum on October 29, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
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Recursion (30,816 posts)
God help me, but I was just thinking about our 2016 Presidential prospects and got happy (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023944890)
Sorry, it was a thread about Senator Sanders (who I personally don't think would seek the nomination), but it got me thinking.
We really have an embarrassment of riches in '16: Clinton, O'Malley, Schweizer, Tester, Warren, and several other names I'm sure you can all come up with. I have no doubt this place will become absolutely intolerable with fighting about them, but I wanted to just get out there that we have some very, very excellent people to choose from.
Now, that's an election away and we have VA next month and the mid-terms next year, which we need to focus on. I just wanted to put some positive thoughts out there about how deep our bench is right now.
Actually, let me fix that for you:
We really have an embarrassment of riches in '16: Clinton, O'Malley, Schweizer, Tester, Warren, and several other names I'm sure you can all come up with.
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I sometimes think the DUmmies pretend to sit around pondering presidential (and other political races) 24 hours a day.
Are they really that desperate for something to do in their lives? Or are they simply seeking the approval of the other DUmmies via their pretense.
EIther way, it is pitiful.
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Hardcore socialist, communist, Stalinist communist, Maoist communist, Maoist communist.
Nice field of candidates. Sadly, the establishment GOP will put up a 1980s democrat style candidate and the base will not participate.
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Hardcore socialist, communist, Stalinist communist, Maoist communist, Maoist communist.
Nice field of candidates. Sadly, the establishment GOP will put up a 1980s democrat style candidate and the base will not participate.
Christie/Cruz 2016.
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Can't wait to watch the campaign commercials with Mrs. Magoo caterwauling, "What difference does it make???"
Um, it means the difference between you being POTUS and sitting at home, listening to your arteries harden, Cankles.
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Christieanybody/Cruz 2016.
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Did you get the point I was making?
The point is we keep running RINOs with either a conservative or a not as RINO vp candidate.
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Did you get the point I was making?
The point is we keep running RINOs with either a conservative or a not as RINO vp candidate.
Honestly I didn't get it.....we don't need any more RINOs.
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Christieanybody/Cruz 2016.
Christie is a somebody, and so be default, he falls in the anybody category, too.
Come to think of it, he's several somebodies.
(http://theplebrevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/FatChristie.jpg)
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Christie is a somebody, and so be default, he falls in the anybody category, too.
Come to think of it, he's several somebodies.
(http://theplebrevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/FatChristie.jpg)
Just because he's suspected of accidentally inhaling several somebodies doesn't make him a somebody. :fuelfire:
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Christie is a somebody, and so be default, he falls in the anybody category, too.
Come to think of it, he's several somebodies.
(http://theplebrevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/FatChristie.jpg)
After-dinner mint, sir...?
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After-dinner mint, sir...?
H5. :rofl:
It's only waaafer thin!
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Did you get the point I was making?
The point is we keep running RINOs with either a conservative or a not as RINO vp candidate.
I'm sick of voting for RINOs who are only a half-degree better than the Dem socialist candidate.
Put a CONSERVATIVE on the ballot, or I'm staying home.
I hope you're reading this, RNC--and it explains why I'm not giving you any money until I do.
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I'm sick of voting for RINOs who are only a half-degree better than the Dem socialist candidate.
Put a CONSERVATIVE on the ballot, or I'm staying home.
I hope you're reading this, RNC--and it explains why I'm not giving you any money until I do.
They don't comprehend the first bold part but I bet they understand the latter bold part.
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I'm sick of voting for RINOs who are only a half-degree better than the Dem socialist candidate.
Put a CONSERVATIVE on the ballot, or I'm staying home.
I hope you're reading this, RNC--and it explains why I'm not giving you any money until I do.
We lost two elections based almost entirely on race, not politics.
We did okay with Bush 41, Bush 43, Bush 43, and the magnificent Ronald Reagan, twice.
Every one of those guys was what tea partiers call RINOs.
At this early point, it seems like a small but significant chunk of the party favors self-immolation.
Not unlike how a chunk of moonbats would like to run Sanders/Kucinich.
Crazy.
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We lost two elections based almost entirely on race, not politics.
We did okay with Bush 41, Bush 43, Bush 43, and the magnificent Ronald Reagan, twice.
Every one of those guys was what tea partiers call RINOs.
At this early point, it seems like a small but significant chunk of the party favors self-immolation.
Not unlike how a chunk of moonbats would like to run Sanders/Kucinich.
Crazy.
Reagan a RINO?
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Reagan a RINO?
By tea party standards? Absolutely.
He constantly had to work with democrat majorities, and still had great accomplishments.
He rebuilt a military that Carter nearly wrecked, stopped the ruinous power of Big Labor, established the Solid South, won the Cold War, and destroyed the Soviet Union.
But over and over he compromised with Tip O'Neill, and he was a democrat union member in an earlier life.
A no-good RINO for sure.
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By tea party standards? Absolutely.
He constantly had to work with democrat majorities, and still had great accomplishments.
He rebuilt a military that Carter nearly wrecked, stopped the ruinous power of Big Labor, established the Solid South, won the Cold War, and destroyed the Soviet Union.
But over and over he compromised with Tip O'Neill, and he was a democrat union member in an earlier life.
A no-good RINO for sure.
I have never heard anyone but Paul bots call him a RINO.
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By tea party standards? Absolutely.
He constantly had to work with democrat majorities, and still had great accomplishments.
He rebuilt a military that Carter nearly wrecked, stopped the ruinous power of Big Labor, established the Solid South, won the Cold War, and destroyed the Soviet Union.
But over and over he compromised with Tip O'Neill, and he was a democrat union member in an earlier life.
A no-good RINO for sure.
Bullshit
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Then why did the Tea Party stand behind Romney?
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Then why did the Tea Party stand behind Romney?
Probably the same reason I did, 0bama needed to go.
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Christie/Cruz 2016.
If Christie's the nominee you're going to have another election like the last one, except I bet you'd have a helluva lot more people staying home. I'm sick to death of "moderate" north eastern establishment RINO's being pushed on us. I've had it! I don't care who the hell the VP is, a freaking near-democrat will do just as much damage as a dem, just at a slower pace.
The entire country is pissed. Almost 90% think we're headed in the wrong direction. That happens to be left. A moderate isn't going to change direction, though they'll put in a few more speed bumps to make us think he is. Amnesty, 0bamacare, nothing will change. The entire freaking country knows that even if they can't quite put their finger on it or express it in a tangible way.
I haven't sat out an election since I first voted when I was 18, but I will NOT vote for another RINO. Ever. Never again will I vote for a candidate that is chosen for us because the elites have all the money and all the connections. I'm sick to death of "doin the right thing" and voting for the lesser of two evils.
If everyone else wants to that's their perogative but never again will I vote for a milquetoast moderate. Republicans are so ****ing stupid! The left, including the press, has been saying for decades that we need a moderate so as not to offend the tender sensibilities of the squishy middle. And establishment republicans actually believe the left has our best interests in mind and want us to win? That's assinine. Obviously they're going to try to get us to choose a candidate that has the least chance of winning. With the exception of the economy, Romney said he agreed with almost every one of 0bama's policies. It's human nature to stay with the devil you know.
Moderates have no backbone. Look at how Christie bowed to 0bama right before the election. The press says something negative (what else are they going to do, they're democrats) the these moderates back themselves into a little corner and practically beg for foriveness. It's never given. Whatever comment or incident it was, it's pounded over and over and over. Romney, nice guy though he is, was an absolute pansy. Even when he acted the way the press said he should, they found something to critcize and with malice and gusto.
Meanwhile, they elect radicals. If they're going to take every single opportunity to rag on our candidate anyway, we can at least choose one that cares enough about our agenda and isn't cowed by the left, a candidate who can rise above the noise, just as Reagan did. There were three during the shut down: Cruz, Rand Paul and Lee.
Cindie
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If Christie's the nominee you're going to have another election like the last one, except I bet you'd have a helluva lot more people staying home. I'm sick to death of "moderate" north eastern establishment RINO's being pushed on us. I've had it! I don't care who the hell the VP is, a freaking near-democrat will do just as much damage as a dem, just at a slower pace.
The entire country is pissed. Almost 90% think we're headed in the wrong direction. That happens to be left. A moderate isn't going to change direction, though they'll put in a few more speed bumps to make us think he is. Amnesty, 0bamacare, nothing will change. The entire freaking country knows that even if they can't quite put their finger on it or express it in a tangible way.
I haven't sat out an election since I first voted when I was 18, but I will NOT vote for another RINO. Ever. Never again will I vote for a candidate that is chosen for us because the elites have all the money and all the connections. I'm sick to death of "doin the right thing" and voting for the lesser of two evils.
If everyone else wants to that's their perogative but never again will I vote for a milquetoast moderate. Republicans are so ****ing stupid! The left, including the press, has been saying for decades that we need a moderate so as not to offend the tender sensibilities of the squishy middle. And establishment republicans actually believe the left has our best interests in mind and want us to win? That's assinine. Obviously they're going to try to get us to choose a candidate that has the least chance of winning. With the exception of the economy, Romney said he agreed with almost every one of 0bama's policies. It's human nature to stay with the devil you know.
Moderates have no backbone. Look at how Christie bowed to 0bama right before the election. The press says something negative (what else are they going to do, they're democrats) the these moderates back themselves into a little corner and practically beg for foriveness. It's never given. Whatever comment or incident it was, it's pounded over and over and over. Romney, nice guy though he is, was an absolute pansy. Even when he acted the way the press said he should, they found something to critcize and with malice and gusto.
Meanwhile, they elect radicals. If they're going to take every single opportunity to rag on our candidate anyway, we can at least choose one that cares enough about our agenda and isn't cowed by the left, a candidate who can rise above the noise, just as Reagan did. There were three during the shut down: Cruz, Rand Paul and Lee.
Cindie
I think you missed my sarcasm.
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Look,there were things that President Reagan did (amnesty,some tax hikes) that many today would excoriate.
Does that mean he was a turncoat?...no.
If Ted Cruz was elected President (something I would be quite pleased with) is it beyond imagination he would make a politically expedient deal in a situation?...no.
Something I find unfathomable is the number of people when asked about politics say they have no interest,don`t understand any of it etc.
They are not all stupid or evil people,they simply rather think about what movie is coming out and are the perfect useful idiot to the left.
As I said there was a reason ocare had all the upfront freebie goodies aimed at the 18-25 general demographic and the 35 and under female block which coordinated with the media orchestrated "war on women" campaign.
These people are not going to go away and they vote based on what someone promises to them.
It is a sickening reality and sooner or later a compromise we hate likely will happen.
When it becomes a complete sell out (McCain) most of us will turn away,here and there many will be annoyed but also pragmatic,some will not tolerate anything.
I want a candidate that will adhere to as conservative an agenda as will be doable,tries to pull along those that are in the mushy middle and is politically smart to know how to do battle with a press that now operates as an active campaign staff of the leftist agenda.
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I got news for the DUmmies. There ain't gonna BE no O'Malley, or Schweizer, or Tester, or Warren(!), or anyone else for that matter, who is going to run against Hillary. Hillary is the ORDAINED nominee, and HAS been ordained since the reelection of Obama.
You see, Democrats have NOTHING they want to have displayed in ANY negative manner. The don't want to have an upstart run against Hillary and have to have her defend all sorts of crap, such as Benghazi (to which any GOP Sec. of State would be in JAIL, or any other easy pickin's from Hillary's illustriously notorious government service. In addition, they don't want to have to debate economics, foreign policy, environment controls, or virtually ANYTHING that can only give the potential GOP nominee a lot of ammo for the general election period.
This is why the memo has been put out, and all the Democratic Party press release organizations, aka the mainstream media, are reporting as if Hillary is the nominee. Once contenders start to stick their head out of the ground, Hillary, along with OFA's Whack-A-Mole operatives, will pound them back into their holes to prevent any primary debates from occurring.
EDIT: In reply to Reagan: Obviously, with an overwhelmingly Democratic congress, as well as over 34 states controlled top to bottom by Democrats, he had to be more political than he wanted to be. But other than the economy, keep in mind his number one goal: defending this country from the Soviet threat, which I contend was the most perilous during the perestroika era than the mid-60's to early 80's. It was imperative that the Soviet Union not just be checked, but defeated, and that he did. In retrospect, he should have played more hardball with illegal immigration "reform" as well as with other forms of increasing the government, but the context of the era puts Reagan firmly in the conservative camp.
If Reagan would have had a Tea Party-esque supermajority in the Senate, as well as a huge majority in the House at ANY two-year period of his presidency, I guarantee that this country would have been set on a course that would have rendered it very difficult for the socialists to prevail. For instance, we would have had a firm conservative majority on the Supreme Court for one, as well as permanent economic relief from taxes built into the framework. And this was also pre- Saul Alinsky realization by the populace that the democrats were at WAR with the GOP and not just political adversaries. Nowadays, there is no excuse.
That said, the GOP dropped the ball and capitulated once he left office.
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Are they really that desperate for something to do in their lives? Or are they simply seeking the approval of the other DUmmies via their pretense.
EIther way, it is pitiful.
They need to know which new master to worship because they cannot bear the thought of being left to fend for themselves.
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I sometimes think the DUmmies pretend to sit around pondering presidential (and other political races) 24 hours a day.
Are they really that desperate for something to do in their lives? Or are they simply seeking the approval of the other DUmmies via their pretense.
EIther way, it is pitiful.
I'm going with C). B). is a given.
Probably the same reason I did, 0bama needed to go.
The only reason.
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I got news for the DUmmies. There ain't gonna BE no O'Malley, or Schweizer, or Tester, or Warren(!), or anyone else for that matter, who is going to run against Hillary. Hillary is the ORDAINED nominee, and HAS been ordained since the reelection of Obama.
You see, Democrats have NOTHING they want to have displayed in ANY negative manner. The don't want to have an upstart run against Hillary and have to have her defend all sorts of crap, such as Benghazi (to which any GOP Sec. of State would be in JAIL, or any other easy pickin's from Hillary's illustriously notorious government service. In addition, they don't want to have to debate economics, foreign policy, environment controls, or virtually ANYTHING that can only give the potential GOP nominee a lot of ammo for the general election period.
This is why the memo has been put out, and all the Democratic Party press release organizations, aka the mainstream media, are reporting as if Hillary is the nominee. Once contenders start to stick their head out of the ground, Hillary, along with OFA's Whack-A-Mole operatives, will pound them back into their holes to prevent any primary debates from occurring.
EDIT: In reply to Reagan: Obviously, with an overwhelmingly Democratic congress, as well as over 34 states controlled top to bottom by Democrats, he had to be more political than he wanted to be. But other than the economy, keep in mind his number one goal: defending this country from the Soviet threat, which I contend was the most perilous during the perestroika era than the mid-60's to early 80's. It was imperative that the Soviet Union not just be checked, but defeated, and that he did. In retrospect, he should have played more hardball with illegal immigration "reform" as well as with other forms of increasing the government, but the context of the era puts Reagan firmly in the conservative camp.
If Reagan would have had a Tea Party-esque supermajority in the Senate, as well as a huge majority in the House at ANY two-year period of his presidency, I guarantee that this country would have been set on a course that would have rendered it very difficult for the socialists to prevail. For instance, we would have had a firm conservative majority on the Supreme Court for one, as well as permanent economic relief from taxes built into the framework. And this was also pre- Saul Alinsky realization by the populace that the democrats were at WAR with the GOP and not just political adversaries. Nowadays, there is no excuse.
That said, the GOP dropped the ball and capitulated once he left office.
Exactly. Ronald Reagan had to deal with a Democratic controlled Congress. On that topic, Jimmy Carter had multiple shutdown with a Democratic controlled Congress.
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It will be Michelle Obama 2016
Even though Hillary is in line to be heir to the throne the DNC knows she puts a bad taste in people's mouth. Not to mention Benghazi and some other shit that could stick to her.
Michelle is a win win auto in Candidate.
Black and a Women??? The low info voter will trip over themselves to vote. And we will be called misogynistic racist anytime we disagree with her. The only thing better for them would be a Lesbian Blacktina.
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^Interesting take. It's definitely probable. I also like the hint of conspiracy.
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Watch what I tell you people... Save this thread in your Bookmarks so you can go back to it.
It will be Michelle Obama 2016
Even though Hillary is in line to be heir to the throne the DNC knows she puts a bad taste in people's mouth. Not to mention Benghazi and some other shit that could stick to her.
Michelle is a win win auto in Candidate.
Black and a Women??? The low info voter will trip over themselves to vote. And we will be called misogynistic racist anytime we disagree with her. The only thing better for them would be a Lesbian Blacktina.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! But you are right the Mooch is the perfect exterior candidate plus she can carry on all the great policies of her husband.
Look,there were things that President Reagan did (amnesty,some tax hikes) that many today would excoriate.
Amnesty and the tax increases would have been OK if the democrats had kept their word. Only fault is that Reagan was fooled twice and he worked with a hostile congress.
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Watch what I tell you people... Save this thread in your Bookmarks so you can go back to it.
It will be Michelle Obama 2016
Even though Hillary is in line to be heir to the throne the DNC knows she puts a bad taste in people's mouth. Not to mention Benghazi and some other shit that could stick to her.
Michelle is a win win auto in Candidate.
Black and a Women??? The low info voter will trip over themselves to vote. And we will be called misogynistic racist anytime we disagree with her. The only thing better for them would be a Lesbian Blacktina.
That is what I am thinking too about Michelle Obama running. This is despite the fact they talk of Hillary Clinton running. She had the chance in 2008, but lost out to Barack Obama.
It would be interesting if that Lesbian Blacktina was a Conservative Republican. :fuelfire: :evillaugh:
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Watch what I tell you people... Save this thread in your Bookmarks so you can go back to it.
It will be Michelle Obama 2016
Even though Hillary is in line to be heir to the throne the DNC knows she puts a bad taste in people's mouth. Not to mention Benghazi and some other shit that could stick to her.
Michelle is a win win auto in Candidate.
Black and a Women??? The low info voter will trip over themselves to vote. And we will be called misogynistic racist anytime we disagree with her. The only thing better for them would be a Lesbian Blacktina.
I think the flaw in this argument is that the grifting 0moron family will realize how much cash there is in the after than the during, especially with all the media groups and other moronic orgs that will pay Lord Zero any amount to come bloviate. Also, 0bamacare will by 2016 be such a flaming disaster that the First Wookie will be good and ready to vacate the White House for whatever palace they have waiting for them in Chicago/Hawaii.
In fact I predict that by 2016, 0dumbass will be fairly UNpopular in the DUmp and they'll have moved on to someone comforting...like Howard Dean. Seriously - I'd be willing to wager that. One thing you have to give the Clintons is that they hedge their bets well, and Cankles is DEFINITELY watching this debacle from the sidelines, trying to decide if she wants her name associated with the fix that will need to be implemented.
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I think the flaw in this argument is that the grifting 0moron family will realize how much cash there is in the after than the during, especially with all the media groups and other moronic orgs that will pay Lord Zero any amount to come bloviate. Also, 0bamacare will by 2016 be such a flaming disaster that the First Wookie will be good and ready to vacate the White House for whatever palace they have waiting for them in Chicago/Hawaii.
In fact I predict that by 2016, 0dumbass will be fairly UNpopular in the DUmp and they'll have moved on to someone comforting...like Howard Dean. Seriously - I'd be willing to wager that. One thing you have to give the Clintons is that they hedge their bets well, and Cankles is DEFINITELY watching this debacle from the sidelines, trying to decide if she wants her name associated with the fix that will need to be implemented.
You got a point too, but I think Michelle Obama could run in 2016.
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I think the flaw in this argument is that the grifting 0moron family will realize how much cash there is in the after than the during, especially with all the media groups and other moronic orgs that will pay Lord Zero any amount to come bloviate. Also, 0bamacare will by 2016 be such a flaming disaster that the First Wookie will be good and ready to vacate the White House for whatever palace they have waiting for them in Chicago/Hawaii.
In fact I predict that by 2016, 0dumbass will be fairly UNpopular in the DUmp and they'll have moved on to someone comforting...like Howard Dean. Seriously - I'd be willing to wager that. One thing you have to give the Clintons is that they hedge their bets well, and Cankles is DEFINITELY watching this debacle from the sidelines, trying to decide if she wants her name associated with the fix that will need to be implemented.
I disagree with the first part of your assessment. Do you realize how much money if they both are Ex-Presidents? I still think this Obamacare thing with somehow blow over. I know it seems impossible from what is going on, but the democrat voters have short short memories when it comes to their own party. And they take their promises to heart. A promise like "I know things aren't going as we expected but when you vote for Michelle we will get everything on track, besides it's the Republicans fault because......"
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I disagree with the first part of your assessment. Do you realize how much money if they both are Ex-Presidents? I still think this Obamacare thing with somehow blow over. I know it seems impossible from what is going on, but the democrat voters have short short memories when it comes to their own party. And they take their promises to heart. A promise like "I know things aren't going as we expected but when you vote for Michelle we will get everything on track, besides it's the Republicans fault because......"
Of course it will blow over, Winston Smith has almost a full year to do his magic.
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Thinking of that day in 2017 when the jug-eared muslim leaves.
It would be so cool if he pardoned Blagojevich.
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Amnesty and the tax increases would have been OK if the democrats had kept their word. Only fault is that Reagan was fooled twice and he worked with a hostile congress.
DEMOCRATS LIED and they did the same to Bush I. They promised Bush I that if he would increase taxes that they would balance the budget....they didn't. You can't trust the bastards.
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DEMOCRATS LIED and they did the same to Bush I. They promised Bush I that if he would increase taxes that they would balance the budget....they didn't. You can't trust the bastards.
Democrats have to lie.
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Democrats have to lie.
Example - they are lying about how great ObamaCare is rolling out. :stoner: :stoner: :stoner: