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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on July 09, 2013, 07:57:49 AM
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digonswine (1,200 posts)
I've been fined!
OK-I'm not THAT indignant.
Here--I was at a tiny lake in northern Wisconsin-no motors, etc.
My wife and I were staying at the only campsite on the lake-there are no houses-just us(awesome!)
I was fishing in my kayak in 3 feet of water, 10 feet from shore-fully licensed, no illegal fish in the boat.
A forest service young man paddles up to me and asks for my info-I give it to him.
BUT--I have no life jacket in my kayak.
I am fined $160.00.
I did know the rule about life jackets, but being a great swimmer(not needed) and a very experienced boat guy, I threw caution to the wind.
The feller got through with the particulars and said he needed to site me about the life jacket. Needed to. I think not.
I asked him how much the fine was and he did not even know-he had to look it up. If he is going to affect my income, shouldn't he know this?
So. . .I know these people have jobs to do, but what happened to discretion or personal judgement? I was truly doing NOTHING wrong at all and was not behaving unsafely.
I support the forest service, but black and white crap thinking like this makes me less supportive and more distrustful.
$160.00 is a lot for me. 3 feet of still water-no one on the lake-tell me I was unsafe and deserving of "punishment"-or was it a young guy throwing authority in my face. I know this pales in comparison to other misuses of power, but it is frustrating and disappointing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023204315
Careful there junior you might sound like a lousy freeper troll questioning why the government thinks they know what is best for you. If this saves even one life it is worth it, so pay up, sit down, and take responsibility for the government that you voted for.
msongs (31,065 posts)
7. the primary job of law enforcement is generating income nt
Wealth redistribution is wonderful, right?
mokawanis (2,782 posts)
9. I don't care what his motivation was
he was being a dumbass when he gave you that fine. He could have exercised a little common sense and discretion and cut you some slack, since you know how to swim and you were 10 feet from shore on a calm lake.
The nanny state decided he needed a life jacket, so he must wear such jacket or pay the fine. This is what you want imposed on us all for other areas in our life so why would you have a problem with the government dictating what is for your own best interests?
digonswine (1,200 posts)
22. I know the laws here-and I know I was in violation-
it does not make it right. Again-discretion on the part of those invested with authority is vital to maintaining trust.
You violated the law, willingly you pay the fine. Just like 0bamacare there is no discretion there.
Somehow these same people would be totally fine if a gun owner was fined for having 8 rounds in a "clip".
I love it when DUmmies pay the price for what they advocate for the rest of us. They want big government so when they suffer at the hands of that big government I laugh my ass off at them.
Ohh I almost, forgot.
:ownit:
:bird:
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Speaking of being fined, there's an article over at Yahoo about smokers under obozocare. Hey lurking primitives who smoke: Your bill will now be about $1 million per year. Pay up. Nothing about fatasses, though. Not that we know about yet. Or drug users like Taverner. (I think they'll get him anyway because I think he smokes). Or gay people running around to bug catching parties.
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My nephew( my nieces husband) will tell you, kayaks are tippy at best. He owns Seven Rivers Paddling. In three feet of water, one is actually more likely to hit their head on a rock. I wonder if this guy was wearing a helmet. He more than likely got the fine, cus he started arguing with the forestry officer
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My favorite line of the whole post;
So. . .I know these people have jobs to do, but what happened to discretion or personal judgement? I was truly doing NOTHING wrong at all and was not behaving unsafely.
Yeah, what happened to it? My discretion and personal judgement tell me I could do better saving for my retirement than the government can so why do I have to pay into social security??
KC
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Safety first!
$20 life jacket cost him $160.
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I thought read somewhere that the WI DNR or the Federal version of it in WI were cracking down on boating violations this summer as a way to reduce boating deaths.
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I did know the rule about life jackets, but being a great swimmer(not needed) and a very experienced boat guy, I threw caution to the wind.
Knew, and chose to violate. Atta boy.
Did you show him your YMCA swimmers license? How about your experienced boat guy certificate?
BUT--I have no life jacket in my kayak.
That's rule two, in the experienced boat guy school handout.
Your certificate is now null and void. You're not qualified to float a turd, in a toilet.
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I thought read somewhere that the WI DNR or the Federal version of it in WI were cracking down on boating violations this summer as a way to reduce boating deaths.
If it saves just one life it is worth it!!
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I did know the rule about life jackets, but being a great swimmer(not needed) and a very experienced boat guy, I threw caution to the wind.
Knew, and chose to violate. Atta boy.
Did you show him your YMCA swimmers license? How about your experienced boat guy certificate?
BUT--I have no life jacket in my kayak
That's rule two, in the experienced boat guy school handout.
Your certificate is now null and void. You're not qualified to float a turd, in a toilet.
Apparently, this DUmbass has never met the guy named Murphy, because he believes that everybody who involuntarily enters a body of water will remain conscious, and thus retain the faculties necessary to "swim to safety". :thatsright:
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Laws made by democrats aren't supposed to be imposed on democrats.....doesn't the DUmbass cracker ranger know that?
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Odds are the DUmp monkie was being an ass to the Games and Parks guy. Oh, yeah, I am sure he had to look up the fine. I have to look up most of mine too. I know the common ones of course, but it's the odd ones that mess you up. However, I always look them up, just to be sure. Speeding over 20 mph? $120.00 + $48.00 court costs. I do have the option to cite you for careless driving over 20mph as well.
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"So. . .I know these people have jobs to do, but what happened to discretion or personal judgement? I was truly doing NOTHING wrong at all and was not behaving unsafely. "
silly me, I think doing NOTHING wrong would include having that jacket that he KNEW was the LAW! :mental:
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Tip-a-canoe-and-DUmmie-sues. That's why they require life-jackets.
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1) Knows about the law and violates it anyways.
2) Surprised when he is held accountable to the law.
Q) How can a DUmmy be surprised when he knows the law?
A) He is a liberal and liberals are all above the laws they set for you and me.
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digonswine (1,200 posts)
I've been fined!
OK-I'm not THAT indignant.
Here--I was at a tiny lake in northern Wisconsin-no motors, etc.
My wife and I were staying at the only campsite on the lake-there are no houses-just us(awesome!)
I was fishing in my kayak in 3 feet of water, 10 feet from shore-fully licensed, no illegal fish in the boat.
A forest service young man paddles up to me and asks for my info-I give it to him.
BUT--I have no life jacket in my kayak.
I am fined $160.00.
I did know the rule about life jackets, but being a great swimmer(not needed) and a very experienced boat guy, I threw caution to the wind.
The feller got through with the particulars and said he needed to site me about the life jacket. Needed to. I think not.
I asked him how much the fine was and he did not even know-he had to look it up. If he is going to affect my income, shouldn't he know this?
So. . .I know these people have jobs to do, but what happened to discretion or personal judgement? I was truly doing NOTHING wrong at all and was not behaving unsafely.
I support the forest service, but black and white crap thinking like this makes me less supportive and more distrustful.
$160.00 is a lot for me. 3 feet of still water-no one on the lake-tell me I was unsafe and deserving of "punishment"-or was it a young guy throwing authority in my face. I know this pales in comparison to other misuses of power, but it is frustrating and disappointing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023204315
Careful there junior you might sound like a lousy freeper troll questioning why the government thinks they know what is best for you. If this saves even one life it is worth it, so pay up, sit down, and take responsibility for the government that you voted for.
Wealth redistribution is wonderful, right?
The nanny state decided he needed a life jacket, so he must wear such jacket or pay the fine. This is what you want imposed on us all for other areas in our life so why would you have a problem with the government dictating what is for your own best interests?
You violated the law, willingly you pay the fine. Just like 0bamacare there is no discretion there.
Somehow these same people would be totally fine if a gun owner was fined for having 8 rounds in a "clip".
I love it when DUmmies pay the price for what they advocate for the rest of us. They want big government so when they suffer at the hands of that big government I laugh my ass off at them.
Ohh I almost, forgot.
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Pure and simple, jackass. The law states a life preserver/flotation device, appropriate to size/weight, for each occupant. I am an excellent swimmer. I've spent almost half of my life on/in the water. I can tread water for hours in rather adverse seas, if I am conscious. Don't matter.
It's the LAW. Want some more?
He should have cited you for no fire extinguisher and seen how long it took you to figure it out.
:ownit:
Tip-a-canoe-and-DUmmie-sues. That's why they require life-jackets.
:-) :hi5:
Apparently, this DUmbass has never met the guy named Murphy, because he believes that everybody who involuntarily enters a body of water will remain conscious, and thus retain the faculties necessary to "swim to safety". :thatsright:
Exactly.
Odds are the DUmp monkie was being an ass to the Games and Parks guy. Oh, yeah, I am sure he had to look up the fine. I have to look up most of mine too. I know the common ones of course, but it's the odd ones that mess you up. However, I always look them up, just to be sure. Speeding over 20 mph? $120.00 + $48.00 court costs. I do have the option to cite you for careless driving over 20mph as well.
I think in Illinois, 30 over is a (possible) reckless ticket.
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Tip-a-canoe-and-DUmmie-sues. That's why they require life-jackets.
Mouse pointer hovering precariously over the BS button. :lmao:
:cheersmate:
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Everyone is overlooking the fact that DUmmies lie, all the time.
Odds are overwhelming the incident didn't happen.
If it actually did happen, the DUmbass was in a motorboat, in a hundred feet of water, was drunk, and mouthed off to the officer.
Or, it was a car, in Chicago, and the DUmmy got a ticket for running a stop sign.
Or, he was arrested for drunk and disorderly and the cops found a bag of weed and a bunch of oxy tablets in his pockets.
At any rate, the kayak deal is pure fiction.
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Everyone is overlooking the fact that DUmmies lie, all the time.
Odds are overwhelming the incident didn't happen.
If it actually did happen, the DUmbass was in a motorboat, in a hundred feet of water, was drunk, and mouthed off to the officer.
Or, it was a car, in Chicago, and the DUmmy got a ticket for running a stop sign.
Or, he was arrested for drunk and disorderly and the cops found a bag of weed and a bunch of oxy tablets in his pockets.
At any rate, the kayak deal is pure fiction.
He could have been on the kayak website. There's usually a kernel of truth in a lib's story...somewhere.
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digonswine (1,200 posts)
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I asked him how much the fine was and he did not even know-he had to look it up. If he is going to affect my income, shouldn't he know this? ...
No, stupid. Does your mommie still wipe your ass for you after you make poo-poo?
:whatever:
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At least some of the fine will land in the states conservation fund.
Why are DUmmies against clean water? :(
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mokawanis (2,782 posts)
9. I don't care what his motivation was
he was being a dumbass when he gave you that fine. He could have exercised a little common sense and discretion and cut you some slack, since you know how to swim and you were 10 feet from shore on a calm lake.
Yeah, cuz no one who knew how to swim has ever drowned in 10 feet of water, especially if the water was calm.
But seriously, at what point would it be reasonable to NOT cut him some slack? 20 ft.? 30? Mildly calm water? Medium wave activity (if that could even be measured)?
Cindie
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"What? Those rules? Those don't apply to me."
Dickhead.
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How stupid to head out onto a lake, few people around not wearing a life jacket in even 3 feet of water.
Have you any idea of what happens when one gets an Asama attack, a problem with chest pains or even stomach cramps and they are not wearing a life vest.
Lucky you if someone observes your going over board, the cost to call in a medical chopper to transport you to a hospital even when wearing a life vest is going to be huge and if you drown, your family has to pay the bill.
Dumb shits that can when totally healthy can swim like a Dolphin and run into some thing like a bee sting allergy they do not expect and no life jacket can die and cost a fortune for the police to find their body and family to suffer for days or weeks.
I have no time to worry about the Ass *oles that head up the river with a boat load of kids and not one of them wearing a life jacket. They hit a rock, boat over turns and the some of the tots drown, horrid but I have no sympathy for the parents, it was their lack of safety that killed those children, Poor kids.
Little to no sense or responsibility these days, everyone cries for the parents loss of the children, but I cry for the kids that died due to their parents actions.
Yes I am getting more intolerant as I age and wonder how I lived due to my parents actions or my kids living to become adults with my ignorance of dangers lurking around the corner.
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I paddle all the time in the ocean mostly. I too am a water baby (water polo, swim team, surf, water ski/board...) and do not wear a life vest paddling. I do however, keep one on board because of the wallet-wack the harbor patrol would love to give me. I also sail and on catamarans DO have a life vest on in case of accidents just like water skiing because of the higher risk factor. I don't wear one out on a power or mono hull sail boat but you better believe I have more than enough for all aboard and up to date flares. It is all a mater of common sense, risk management and the law.
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If a $180 fine affects your income that severely, maybe you should have shown some forethought and had a lifejacket on board. It is not law enforcements job to distinguish between those who can afford a fine and those who cannot when citing people, their job is to enforce the law. You state that you were aware of the law, and the law does not say "unless you are an excellent swimmer" or "unless the water is calm and you don't go more than 10 feet from shore." The law says that if you are in a water craft there should be a life preservation device for every person on-board, or something along those lines.
I know that I can't afford a speeding ticket right now, so I don't speed. Amazing how that has helped to keep me from getting a ticket.
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digonswine (1,200 posts)
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I asked him how much the fine was and he did not even know-he had to look it up. If he is going to affect my income, shouldn't he know this? ...
I knew DUmmies were stupid, but the bolded part perfectly sums up a just how stupid they are.
Note to any lurking DUmmy, personal responsibility, embrace it, learn it, and most importantly of all, live it.
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If a $180 fine affects your income that severely, maybe you should have shown some forethought and skipped the vacation and saved the money.had a lifejacket on board. It is not law enforcements job to distinguish between those who can afford a fine and those who cannot when citing people, their job is to enforce the law. You state that you were aware of the law, and the law does not say "unless you are an excellent swimmer" or "unless the water is calm and you don't go more than 10 feet from shore." The law says that if you are in a water craft there should be a life preservation device for every person on-board, or something along those lines.
I know that I can't afford a speeding ticket right now, so I don't speed. Amazing how that has helped to keep me from getting a ticket.
FIFY
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$180 would buy a really nice lifejacket, DUmmy.
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I wonder if he wears his seat belt when driving?
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I wonder if he wears his seat belt when driving?
Would it be wrong of me to say that I hope not? :fuelfire:
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3 feet or 3 inches you can still drown in that much water. Almost everyday you hear of some boat/ship/canoe/ going under and then a search for survivors and more then enough times there isn't anyone left. Oh well I guess if the DUmbass has insurance then someone will be getting a nice check in the mail.
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3 feet or 3 inches you can still drown in that much water. Almost everyday you hear of some boat/ship/canoe/ going under and then a search for survivors and more then enough times there isn't anyone left. Oh well I guess if the DUmbass has insurance then someone will be getting a nice check in the mail.
With half a dozen lakes within an hour of here, it happens every weekend during the summer. You'd think some dumbasses would learn.
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With half a dozen lakes within an hour of here, it happens every weekend during the summer. You'd think some dumbasses would learn.
We wouldn't refer to them as DUmbasses if they did.
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We wouldn't refer to them as DUmbasses if they did.
No then we call them Ex-DUmbasses. Like in the Monty Python skit with the parrot.
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I asked him how much the fine was and he did not even know-he had to look it up. If he is going to affect my income, shouldn't he know this?
$160.00 is a lot for me.
Hey digonswine or any other lurking lurking DUmbshits, remember this?
Mon May 7, 2012, 06:10 PM
cynatnite (27,448 posts)
Mitt Romney Was Arrested For Disorderly Conduct In 1981
It’s a little reported anecdote, but in 1981 presumptive Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney was arrested for disorderly conduct. The issue of Romney’s arrest first came to light during his 1994 Senate run against incumbent Senator Ted Kennedy, appearing at an unfortunate time while Romney was running ads talking to police officers with sirens in the background, promising to be tough on crime
According to what Romney told the Boston Globe in 1994, he had taken his family off to Wayland, Mass.'s Lake Cochituate, about an hour outside Boston, for a summer excursion. As Romney prepared to put his family boat into the water, a park officer told Romney not to launch because his license appeared to have been painted over. The officer told Romney if he put his boat into the water he would face a $50 fine.
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Several days later, Romney appeared in Natick District Court and threatened to sue the arresting office for a false arrest. The charges were dropped and sealed at Romney’s request.
"He did not have the right to arrest me because I was not a disorderly person. This was an obvious case of false arrest," Romney said. "The officer obviously agreed because he agreed to dropping the case."
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-was-arrest-for-disorderly-conduct-in-1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002656431
The $50.00 would have been chicken feed to Romney, but he fought it and they dropped the charges. How do you like them apples, DUmmies?
Choke on that while you scrounge up the $160.00, digonswine, then go cry me a river and then ride down it in your kayak.
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Well Delmar, Romney lives by principles. The DUchebags live by corruption.
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I call BS on this one. :bs:
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My nephew( my nieces husband) will tell you, kayaks are tippy at best.
I kayak with a hybrid style 13 footer. I will wear a jacket sometimes, and not other times. If I'm out on the lake where I might get hit by a dipshit in a boat, I'll wear one. If I'm on a small creek or river where there is no danger of powered watercraft, or if I'm just skirting the edge of a lake five feet off the short looking for a nice fishing spot, I won't wear one.
Kayaks tend to have poor initial stability, but good secondary stability, which is why they can feel very tipsy to someone not used to them. I feel safer in my kayak than in something with good initial stability. The hardest part for me has always been getting into the kayak without causing a commotion.
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Would it be wrong of me to say that I hope not? :fuelfire:
No. Wishful thinking, but, no.
:cheersmate: For the laugh.
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I kayak with a hybrid style 13 footer. I will wear a jacket sometimes, and not other times. If I'm out on the lake where I might get hit by a dipshit in a boat, I'll wear one. If I'm on a small creek or river where there is no danger of powered watercraft, or if I'm just skirting the edge of a lake five feet off the short looking for a nice fishing spot, I won't wear one.
Kayaks tend to have poor initial stability, but good secondary stability, which is why they can feel very tipsy to someone not used to them. I feel safer in my kayak than in something with good initial stability. The hardest part for me has always been getting into the kayak without causing a commotion.
I have a 15-footer... that damn thing is a Cadillac. Smooth, comfortable, and stable. I had a 9-foot river kayak but I didn't like it. It was impossible to use unless there was some current.
I always wear a life jacket. The lakes here are deep.
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I have a 15-footer... that damn thing is a Cadillac. Smooth, comfortable, and stable. I had a 9-foot river kayak but I didn't like it. It was impossible to use unless there was some current.
I always wear a life jacket. The lakes here are deep.
I haven't gotten to go much in the last couple of years, because it's been so dry here. The last time I went, I ended up carrying the kayak over a mile back to an area where I had reception to call somebody to pick me up.
Most of the lakes that I can think of around here are man-made, so the depth really varies. My usual kayak hangout can be over 100 feet deep in the main channels, but I don't go in those unless I'm crossing them, due to powered craft traffic. Most of the water I'm in is between five and twenty feet deep, unless I'm on a creek, then it's usually less than three feet.
I use a Necky Manitou 13 along with a Werner Skagit paddle. My spousal unit was sore at me for a week or so after I bought that paddle, but man, it sure is easy on the arms. What sort of 15 foot lake Cadillac do you run? :-)
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I kayak with a hybrid style 13 footer. I will wear a jacket sometimes, and not other times. If I'm out on the lake where I might get hit by a dipshit in a boat, I'll wear one. If I'm on a small creek or river where there is no danger of powered watercraft, or if I'm just skirting the edge of a lake five feet off the short looking for a nice fishing spot, I won't wear one.
Kayaks tend to have poor initial stability, but good secondary stability, which is why they can feel very tipsy to someone not used to them. I feel safer in my kayak than in something with good initial stability. The hardest part for me has always been getting into the kayak without causing a commotion.
My, nephew wears one, because he is a teacher, and he wants to set a good example to his customers, and the kids in the summer camps he runs.
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I have a 15-footer... that damn thing is a Cadillac. Smooth, comfortable, and stable. I had a 9-foot river kayak but I didn't like it. It was impossible to use unless there was some current.
I always wear a life jacket. The lakes here are deep.
I have a Necky Dolphin sit on top and it is stable as anything. I can go over 5 foot face breakers with no worry. It's wide and I am not the fastest but stability is not a problem. Now my friend has a fibreglass surf ski and that is unstable. you tighten your ass for a second and it is tippy. Have to keep that that thing at a good clip and jelly butt or you are over.
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Here in red state hell, I never worry about the people in kayaks. I figure a kayaker expects to be in the drink sooner or later.
What bothers me is to see two or three people in a little aluminum cartopper, putting along with maybe five or six inches of freeboard.
I'm aware of my wake but there's not much you can do.
If you stay on plane, they'll think you're trying to swamp them, but if you throttle back the boat will squat down in the water and the wake is actually higher until you get down to no-wake idle speed. Anyway, you can't keep cutting the throttle when you're pulling kids on a tube or skis.
And no matter what you do, they're still at the mercy of the pinheads on those obnoxious jet skis.
TVA lakes are no place for people in low freeboard boats, canoes, or kayaks. It's like taking a bicycle on the interstate.
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I kayak with a hybrid style 13 footer. I will wear a jacket sometimes, and not other times. If I'm out on the lake where I might get hit by a dipshit in a boat, I'll wear one. If I'm on a small creek or river where there is no danger of powered watercraft, or if I'm just skirting the edge of a lake five feet off the short looking for a nice fishing spot, I won't wear one.
Kayaks tend to have poor initial stability, but good secondary stability, which is why they can feel very tipsy to someone not used to them. I feel safer in my kayak than in something with good initial stability. The hardest part for me has always been getting into the kayak without causing a commotion.
Same here Battle. I used to kayak down the New and Gauley back when I was in the scouts. I'm 6'3", and have been ever since I was 14, and it is damn hard to get in one... especially the thin plastic ones used to run rapids. Those are the only ones that I'm familiar with. This was circa late 70's. Back before it became popular.
If I am gonna fish, I'd use a canoe.
Either way, I wear a life jacket and a helmet if I am running rapids... whether canoe or kayack. Ain't done it in years. There is just no damned way I'm getting in an inflatable raft that is used down those rivers now.... especially if the water is running fast and they are drawing down the dams!! :cheersmate: :cheersmate: