Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY7:07 p.m. EDT May 23, 2013
The Boy Scouts of America voted Thursday to allow gay youth to participate in scouting. The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.
"It brings the Boy Scouts back into the American mainstream," said Beth Gazley, a professor at Indiana University in Bloomington who studies non-profits.
The vote overturns a 22-year-old ban on openly gay scouts. It was based on a line from the 1911 Boy Scouts of America oath: "On my honor I will do my best….to keep myself physically strong, mentally alert and morally straight." Since 1991 the Scouts have barred openly gay individuals from participating in Scouting because it was decided that being gay was incompatible with being "morally straight."
Sad! Both my boys were scouts. They would not be today!
Pandora's box ring a bell to anyone? This opens up all kinds of cans of worms.
I wonder what will happen to their membership. When J C Penney started their gay advertising, their sales dropped through the floor.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/j.c.-penneys-fires-ceo-after-plummeting-sales-following-gay-ad-campaign
Can't tell you what this will do to enrollment, but I have already heard from the first few who had previously been generous through Friends of Scouting, and now will no longer be contributing. This will probably impact their wallet worse than if they'd just let the corporate sponsor who pushed for this take their dollies and dishes and go home.
What alternatives are there for the boys? The girls have American Heritage Girls.
The alternative will probably be that each denomination will set up it's own equivalent. I see that there's already discussion of doing that at steadfastlutherans.org, an LCMS website that our own Charles Henrickson contributes to.
I just did a quick search and there are several out there. Don't know how big or active. Maybe they should try to group together.
Smaller groups, more closely aligned to the values of their sponsoring churches or civic groups, could organize joint regional/national events like the Jamboree.
If I was a Scoutmaster looking at breaking away from BSA over the issue, that's what I'd do.
One of our members is highly involved in Scouting. I'm awaiting his reply to this.
I DIDN'T LEAVE SCOUTING, SCOUTING LEFT ME.
Well yesterday at 5:00 the results were made known, and by a 61% [chuckelhead] vote the change was finished, to take effect Jan. 1, 2014. On a personal note, by 5:10 PM I received confirmation and by 5:20 PM my three calls of resignation were complete, and my formal letter started and since sent.
Disgusting and disheartening, but I refuse to believe that the faggots have completely taken over my country.
So far, that is. :whatever:
Devastating. I have two Eagle Scouts. The Church where we raised our family in sponsored the Troop. It's 50 years old and we as a Board have decided to eliminate the Troop rather than compromise our religious beliefs(Roman Catholic). 123 Cub scouts and Boy Scouts are deciding if they want to transfer to different troops. Yet, we were called Homophobic as late as last as evening when an uninvited gay parent interrupted our meeting dissolving the troop when he brought his son in for an application to join the Troop. When advised that we were dissolving the Troop, he literally threw a hissy fit stating that he would sue us for dissolving the Troop. The example of rude and obscene language to Board members only ceased when one of the Board Members, a police officer, politely asked him to leave and escorted him from the building.
It got worse.
The "gentleman" in question then proceeded to key every car in the lot. We know this because the conference room has a large window view of the parking lot. When the police officer got out to the lot and stood behind the guy's car so he could not leave, the guy called the cops saying a hate crime was in progress. Imagine the guys face when the responding cops knew the cop and arrested the "gentleman" for assault on a police officer and destruction of private property.
.....and the son saw everything.
Sad day to be a Christian in the United States
Boy Scouts Survey Finds 61% Want To Keep Homosexuals Out
On May 23, Boy Scouts of America (“BSAâ€) will vote on whether to change at the national level its long-standing policy prohibiting openly homosexual scout members or leaders. The mainstream media and those who are invested in political correctness have placed it under enormous pressure to make these changes. The conundrum facing the BSA, though, is that a significant majority of those people who already belong disagree with the proposed changes.
According to the BSA’s comprehensive survey, which yielded information from 200,000 adult members, 61% of them do not want the policy changed, while only 34% do. CNSNews.com, with which the BSA shared the results, provides a breakdown of the responses, showing that this attitude is consistent throughout the BSA adult demographic:
• 50 percent of Cub Scout parents support the current policy; 45 percent of Cub Scout parents oppose it.
• 61 percent of Boy Scout parents support the current policy.
• 62 percent of unit leaders support the current policy.
• 64 percent of council and district volunteers support the current policy.
• 72 percent of chartered organizations support the current policy.
Here's an interesting article...they took a poll of the BSA adult members and 61% of the membership do not want gay scouts to be allowed to join, exactly opposite of the leadership counsel's vote....
http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/05/14361-boy-scouts-survey-finds-61-want-to-keep-homosexuals-out/
Interesting.... here in this local council, published figures show 78.5% did not want the change.
Article in todays paper [liberal slant, big surprise in a conservative state] they interviewed about 8 people one from local council hdqs. and one Eagle scout from a troop in my old district [ both viewed change as positive {?}] I know the person from headquarters .. think the newspaper 'took' liberties? We are in the northern center of the state and the largest council - all the others interviews were around the state, Mobil etc. and all but two were a positive slant for change.
Some other interesting figures that were released prior to the vote... headquarters is expecting between 100,000 - 400,000 boys nationally to leave scouting plus adults - total number nationally for scouts 2.7 million, plus adults.
Since the vote I know ofat least 14 adults who have left, with almost that many stating they are goig to finih their committment to the boys and then leave at the end of the year. Out of 9 commissioners I served with 4 have left and two more say by the end of the year, plus the guy that is filling in for me for Eagle and Advancement, will be gone by the end of the year if not before. It is getting interesting to say the least.
I don't know how this is going to play out with our local troop(s). This is a very Conservative area. I suspect that the Scoutmaster will trying to keep it going as long as he can. There are 7 boys in the troop and several are already mapping out their path to Eagle Scout (including my son). District level campouts will probably be participated in less and less. I need to sit down and talk with the Scoutmaster. He has already stated that he has no intention of being involved in scouts after his sons are done--even at the district level.
What I really don't understand is that this vote is about allowing homosexual children to join. Children don't know that they are homos! So, other than that overall bad message, this particular vote doesn't seem so bad at that level. However, you know the next move will be to allow homo scoutmasters which is completely UNACCEPTABLE.
The BSA FB page has become a sewer pipe and I have un-liked the page after 3 1/2 years.
The New Scouts Oath:
(http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/cartoon_500/cartoons/newscoutoath.jpg)
Great, so now the boy scouts have bowed to pressure and have become the Obamajugend. I wonder when the motto will be changed to 'Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuerher'! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I mean why does such a low percentage of people have to **** up everything? It's always the low percenters. :rant:
Our church is going to hold a meeting about whether or not they are going to sponsor the Boy Scouts now. I am pissed. Why hurt the children?
I will leave my church if they do this. Hubby and I will sponsor the Boy Scouts if they do bolt.
I mean why does such a low percentage of people have to **** up everything? It's always the low percenters. :rant:
You have wearied the Lord with your words. But you say, “How have we wearied him?†By saying, “Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delights in them.â€Malachi 2:17a
I am of two minds about this development. One tells me that it is wrong to encourage and validate someone's sinful behavior. On the other hand this might be a good opportunity for BSA leaders and the church to reach out in love to those with a belief that their personal sin is OK and attempt to convince them otherwise. I ask myself how Jesus would handle this situation and I believe he would sit down with these children and explain to them that what they are doing is wrong and that they should repent of their sinful behavior and accept Him as their savior. Let them choose if they want to stay and obey.
I don't believe that this is what the BSA intends to do, but it would be a mistake to deny what God has deemed to be true.
Malachi 2:17a
What would Jesus do? I can't answer that, but I have a pretty good idea of what he wouldn't do.
He wouldn't place a 12 year old boy in a pup tent with a 16 year old homosexual, unsupervised.
Our church is going to hold a meeting about whether or not they are going to sponsor the Boy Scouts now. I am pissed. Why hurt the children?
I will leave my church if they do this. Hubby and I will sponsor the Boy Scouts if they do bolt.
I mean why does such a low percentage of people have to **** up everything? It's always the low percenters. :rant:
What would Jesus do? I can't answer that, but I have a pretty good idea of what he wouldn't do.
He wouldn't place a 12 year old boy in a pup tent with a 16 year old homosexual, unsupervised.
You make a valid point to which I have no answer.
I have to ask, however, what does it say about the Church if it cuts off support to the BSA and abandons the rest of the children into the hands of the predators you and I suspect will invade the Boy Scouts?
Their parents may think that they are doing the right thing by allowing their boys to remain members of the Scouts but has abortion teaches us, parents or potential parents don't always do what is right by their offspring.
Why would you leave the church if they vote to adhere to biblical principles and not bow to the faggot mafia?
FlaGator,
Each church must follow its moral compass. Conservative/traditional churches can pull their support of BSA and organize into new youth programs like the Royal Rangers, which is what I expect to see. Liberal churches are more likely to continue to sponsor BSA troops and packs.
Their kids, their lives, their decision. That is on the other side of the "my business/not my business" fence.
I am still conflicted in my feelings about this. I guess I should answer the "am I my brothers keeper?" question before I can find the dividing line of "my business/not my business". A parent has a right to raise his or her children anyway the choose (within the bounds of reason) but does a parent have a right to put his or her child in harm's way? The culture today says that entrusting a younger boy's safety to a hormonally excited homosexual boy is acceptable but I don't necessarily agree with that. I wouldn't let my 12 year old daughter stay overnight in a tent with 16 year old boy but I guess a parent has a right to do that if they choose.
It is a sad world we live in.
I am curious if the Girl Scouts have adopted this, and what are their feelings regarding this situation? I was a girl Scout for many years, I never thought or dreamed, that this would even come up.
(CNSNews.com) – Girl Scouts of the USA told CNSNews.com in a written statement on Friday that it will accept "transgender youth" on a "case-by-case basis."
The organization sent CNSNews.com the statement after CNSNews.com asked if the national Girl Scouts had a position on a case in which a Girl Scout troop in Colorado initially prevented a 7-year-old boy from joining and then the state Girl Scouts organization said that it would accept boys who were "living life as a girl."
The brief Girl Scouts of the USA statement made no mention of the Colorado case.
“Girl Scouts of the USA is an inclusive organization, and we welcome all girls in kindergarten through 12th grade as members," it said. "Acceptance of transgender youth is handled on a case-by-case basis, with the welfare and best interests of the child in question as a top priority.â€
I am curious if the Girl Scouts have adopted this, and what are their feelings regarding this situation? I was a girl Scout for many years, I never thought or dreamed, that this would even come up.
Homosexual girls and adult leaders are welcome.Now why does that not surprise me?? :rant:
A parent has a right to raise his or her children anyway the choose (within the bounds of reason) but does a parent have a right to put his or her child in harm's way?
Teaching your child to shoot is putting him "in harm's way". So is teaching him to drive, ride a motorcycle, swim, or operate a table saw. In the culture I live in (and I suspect you do, too), we accept that those are legitimate activities which a parent is best suited to approve of and supervise (or allow other trusted adults to supervise).
If you, as a parent, don't trust the BSA to protect your son in loco parentis, then you should trust your own judgment. I would not have allowed my 12 year old son to go on a Scouting campout where 16 year old homosexuals were welcome. When my son was 16, I would have had no worries about it, because I know my son.
The church that sponsors my son's scout troop has informed the troop leaders that they will be rescinding their sponsorship. They haven't stated an effective date. They will need to find a new place to meet or disband. The problem is that the district tells the troop where they will meet. In the past, they have not taken input from the scoutmasters for potential locations.
I don't blame the church for sticking to their principles--unlike the BSA. This stinks to high heaven. I hope the progressive homos and their supporters that pushed for this all rot in hell. They screwed over my son and many other boys.
Our troop met last Thursday right after the vote to accept gays and decided to disband. The Scout Master, assistant Scout Masters, adult volunteers and the senior boys of the troop met and the adults let the boys decide. Then the Scout Master and assistants announced they were resigning effective immediately.
There's a big meeting of the troop going on right now. I don't know what it's about but there are a lot of strange faces and strange cars there. Son got an e-mail telling him to be there tonight for some important stuff ??????? We'll see what happening.
The scoutmaster plans to have the troop go to summer camp since everyone has paid for it. I think that the troop is going to try to keep going provided that they can have a meeting place. The scoutmasters know that homo scoutmasters is the next move. They don't act very hopeful that the troop can last through this.
At this time, our troop has canceled summer camp and says they will refund the scouts money from troop treasury.
It will be a couple of hours are more before I know what's happening at this big meeting.
I haven't commented on this because I'm really of two minds. For the record, I don't have sons. I'm the father of daughters, Girl Scouts, and my wife and I watch very closely what they learn there. We make sure that what the girls "learn" doesn't go against our principles or beliefs. It hasn't happened yet, but if there comes a time when they hear something we don't approve of, we'll address it.
Also, i guess it's important that you know that I'm approaching this from a Catholic perspective. I know we have our own problems when it comes to this issue.
1. If this is a religious issue, here's a question. Should gay men be allowed to worship in your church? If yes, ok. If no, how about heterosexual fornicators? If it's the act not the person that God hates, aren't both equally abhorrent in His Eyes?
2. I'm unfamiliar with the Boy Scouts, so these are honest questions, not hand grenades, I promise. Has the oath changed? Has the Boy Scouts' stance on any issues changed? Or have they simply allowed a certain "type" of boy to be allowed in?
You can see my problem from that angle.
From the other side, where have we come as a society when an 10-year-old is even aware of these deep sexual questions? We've really screwed up.
I'm a former altar boy. I spent four years living away at a high school seminary, discerning whether the priesthood was for me. I know there are gay men wearing the priestly collar, but the rules are always the same. Chastity is what matters--not choice of partners, as far as the sin goes.
I'm a Catholic and a former Boy Scout. The problem as I see it, is the "sleep over" camping trips and we did a lot of them.
It's very different from going to church and such.
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True. I was addressing churches' refusal to house the Scouts any more.
Right. That is my problem. My church isn't going to tell gay people they can't come to church and participate yet they are going to kick the Boy Scouts to the curb?????
They are going to follow those teachings yet not the teachings that a woman isn't supposed to be over a man in power? That a woman is supposed to dress modestly? Hell, the preacher is in for a world of hurt because hubby has been studying up on the Bible and he will be at the meeting with some fabulous bells on! :rant:
eta: I am pissed off about the boys......sorry but I am.
Your church sponsors a Boy Scout troop (or did, until recently), right?
That's not the same thing as the Boy Scouts themselves who may or may not be members of your church.
Your church is able to discern the difference between organizations and people.
As an organization, the Boy Scouts have decided they're going to allow boys who are already confused about sexuality yet declare themselves fudgepackers to remain members of the BSA.
I call that an actual threat to the teachings of your church. And as long as a church has the option of sponsoring or not sponsoring an actual organization that threatens their teachings, I'd say they're in full accord by opting to throw the BSA out.
Your church sponsors a Boy Scout troop (or did, until recently), right?
That's not the same thing as the Boy Scouts themselves who may or may not be members of your church.
Your church is able to discern the difference between organizations and people.
As an organization, the Boy Scouts have decided they're going to allow boys who are already confused about sexuality yet declare themselves fudgepackers to remain members of the BSA.
I call that an actual threat to the teachings of your church. And as long as a church has the option of sponsoring or not sponsoring an actual organization that threatens their teachings, I'd say they're in full accord by opting to throw the BSA out.
Good point, eupher.
Gina, your church must be sensitive to the potential for accusations of allowing (or even promoting) sexual molestation if it continues to support a BSA troop. Catholic dioceses are already dealing with it, with pedophile priests; although the number and percentage of offender priests is lower than the general population, it only takes one to destroy the credibility of the church.
You also need to ask yourself how you would respond if you learned your son was molested by another boy on a campout. Your church may decide to continue to sponsor a troop, but you must make the decision as a parent to do what's best for your son(s).
I get that. I am just really upset over them just screwing over the kids this way. If they love the boys then they should reach out to another organization that will follow the Biblical teachings instead of just kicking them out and making them feel unwanted. These boys have worked very hard.
On the last thing, there is a buddy rule and also they can't be alone with any adult. The BSA does have those rules...molestation could have happened without the gay's allowed ruling.
I am told the reason the BSA voted for it was because they didn't want to turn "all" boys way. That they could use guidance. Now the greater majority are going to be susceptible to diversions because the church is turning it's back on the established scouts.
I am just pissed for the boys. I know I am not thinking clearly. I know this. I am just at a maddening loss that they are doing this. I am really more mad that when I asked my pastor point blank what the church's thoughts on gay marriage were they told me that they wouldn't turn someone way but they wouldn't condone it. So basically they take a hands off stance in that situation but they decide they are going to put their fooot down when it comes to the bsa. Does anyone understand what I am saying?
They why doesn't the church push all the other "rules" of the bible? that is why I am upset.
I don't understand your question.
The church, by allowing the Boy Scouts to use, meet in, and otherwise occupy their facilities, tacitly approves of that organization by doing so.
They are withdrawing their approval of the organization by disallowing that organization from using, meeting in, and otherwise occupying their facility since that organization apparently allows behaviors that the church cannot approve of.
I don't know how else to say it.
You apparently believe your church is attacking the boys. The church is not, as I see it. They are withdrawing their support of the organization.
The same boys that are not allowed in the facility as Boy Scouts are most certainly allowed in the facility as worshipers.
What else do you want?
So, why don't you and your husband push for keeping the group, but leaving BSA?
Well we are already in discussion that IF they do kick us out that we will band together and sponsor the group ourselves. It's not because we agree with the BSA it's because those boys are good kids and we don't want to see them with no guidance and nothing to do but get into trouble. My son has worked really hard to get to Eagle, he is a gung ho scout. I want the "My son is an Eaglescout" bumper sticker!
Are there other organizations that have as much clout say on a resume as the BSA? He wants to go into the military, even mentioned being an astronaut.
Well we are already in discussion that IF they do kick us out that we will band together and sponsor the group ourselves. It's not because we agree with the BSA it's because those boys are good kids and we don't want to see them with no guidance and nothing to do but get into trouble. My son has worked really hard to get to Eagle, he is a gung ho scout. I want the "My son is an Eaglescout" bumper sticker!
Are there other organizations that have as much clout say on a resume as the BSA? He wants to go into the military, even mentioned being an astronaut.
Good for you, thinking about forming your own youth program. You and your church can go all-in and make it something great!
Scouting is good on a resume, and Eagle Scout is very good- but not having it is not a bad thing.
Your son can enlist, apply for a service academy, and apply for ROTC scholarships without it.
Here is a link to a potential organization as an alternative to the BSA.
http://www.onmyhonor.net/
I think it will affect it badly. Boy Scouts is a religious based organization. Once the LGBT crowd moves in and starts making their demands, it will no longer be an attraction to the typical members.
eta: I am pissed off about the boys......sorry but I am.
An Eagle Scout is sentenced after molesting another Boy Scout
By Tyler May
OROVILLE, Calif. -
A 20-year-old Eagle Scout was sentenced one year behind bars in Butte County on Tuesday after he admitted that he had molested a Boy Scout.
Dustin Hedrick was not at his sentencing on Tuesday in Butte County Court because he is facing a felony charge in Tehama County for another child molestation charge.
Because the victim of the molestation lives in Butte County, the Tehama County courts forbid Hedrick from going there.
Investigators said he assaulted two teenagers during a two year period at Camp Lassen in Butte Meadows.
And it starts…. (http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/an-eagle-scout-is-sentenced-after-molesting-another-boy-scout/-/14322302/20528196/-/126g9kdz/-/index.html)
And it starts…. (http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/an-eagle-scout-is-sentenced-after-molesting-another-boy-scout/-/14322302/20528196/-/126g9kdz/-/index.html)
It is a trajedy, all these young men worked so hard to get their badges and merits(no easy feat either. )All the work thru the years, will go to waste, because, of a bunch of whiny babies, and political correctness got in the way!! :hammer: :hammer: :argh:
The kids shouldn't suffer if they have a lot invested in the Scouts. Currently they can't deny gay kids from joining, but not leaders. (Although you know that will change too). But their current leadership, troop members, etc are still in tact. If my son had been in for a troop for a long time and wanted to finish his Eagle, I would support that.
It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too. Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.
The kids shouldn't suffer if they have a lot invested in the Scouts. Currently they can't deny gay kids from joining, but not leaders. (Although you know that will change too). But their current leadership, troop members, etc are still in tact. If my son had been in for a troop for a long time and wanted to finish his Eagle, I would support that.Trouble is people have to stand their ground. If the government is NOT putting any funding into the dens, it should be put to a vote to the individual troops, and how they feel. I believe Gina, is fighting this very thing in regards to the pastor of her church...
It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too. Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.
So, based on your logic, it's acceptable to allow gays in the Boy Scouts because there aren't that many of them. Is that about right? Oh, and that it's inevitable that the BSA will ultimately be led by gays because that's inevitable too.
Do you have a towel that you can throw into the ring?
Throwing in the towel? Hardly...you obviously haven't read any of my prior posts regarding this decision by the BSA.
What I was addressing, is that if I had a son heavily invested (years) with his troop and leadership and he wanted to complete his Eagle, that I would support his decision to stay. I also support those who hate what's happened and want to start their own scouting groups.
It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too. Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.
The kids shouldn't suffer if they have a lot invested in the Scouts. Currently they can't deny gay kids from joining, but not leaders. (Although you know that will change too). But their current leadership, troop members, etc are still in tact. If my son had been in for a troop for a long time and wanted to finish his Eagle, I would support that.
It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too. Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.
Interesting responses I've gotten here. First off, The average age of Eagle is 17 and fewer than 7% make it that far. If my sons had put in 10 years with his troop and the troop's leadership and they all wanted to complete their Eagle, I would not interfere with that decision. I have always tried to teach my kids to finish what they started. Just like joining a sports team or taking a class. If you start something, you are making a commitment to not only your team but to yourself, to see it through. Quitters don't build character. There are two sides to "throwing in the towel".
For me as a parent of young men, I allow them to make their own decisions, without undo criticism on my part. That doesn't mean we don't discuss the pros and cons of these issues. The gay issue is just as important as the birds and the bees and not taking candy or rides from strangers.
As far as gays at large go, what if they had gay guys in their gym class at school, or if they joined the military? How are you going to stop that?
Now if my boys were really young, and had only been in the program a short time, I would be looking for a different avenue, because I don't like the course the BSA has taken. I took my kids out of public school because I didn't like what I saw there either. I guess my point is, you can make decisions for your kids up to a point, but there also comes the transition period where they have to start making their own decisions.
Interesting responses I've gotten here. First off, The average age of Eagle is 17 and fewer than 7% make it that far. If my sons had put in 10 years with his troop and the troop's leadership and they all wanted to complete their Eagle, I would not interfere with that decision. I have always tried to teach my kids to finish what they started. Just like joining a sports team or taking a class. If you start something, you are making a commitment to not only your team but to yourself, to see it through. Quitters don't build character. There are two sides to "throwing in the towel".
For me as a parent of young men, I allow them to make their own decisions, without undo criticism on my part. That doesn't mean we don't discuss the pros and cons of these issues. The gay issue is just as important as the birds and the bees and not taking candy or rides from strangers.
As far as gays at large go, what if they had gay guys in their gym class at school, or if they joined the military? How are you going to stop that?
I found out where I will not donate any more money. United Way. They were one of the big ones that threatened to pull sponsorship if BSA didn't lockstep with them.
I most certainly have read your stuff on the issue, but I was directing my comment to the specific post I quoted -- not what you wrote elsewhere.
Specifically, this comment:
Just looking for clarification. It looked to me like you were shrugging your shoulders, allowing your son to finish what he started (definitely an advisable thing, IMHO) and then encouraging him to vacate the BSA, ergo tossing in the towel.
Speaking as an Eagle Scout myself (Sept. 1970), half or more of Scouting is leadership exhibited by the boys themselves. When you allow your son to finish what he started and then invite him to pull the plug, there goes a leadership opportunity right out the window.
But of course, it's the right thing to do.
Right?
United Way f'd up 9/11 to such an extent that since then, they can go pound sand. The Red Cross as well.
When United Way quit giving funds to Boy Scouts, I quit giving to United Way. The wife is required to work for and give to United Way at her place of work.....or I should say "STRONGLY INCOURAGED" to do so by management.
Is she in a union or is there a union there?
When United Way quit giving funds to Boy Scouts, I quit giving to United Way. The wife is required to work for and give to United Way at her place of work.....or I should say "STRONGLY INCOURAGED" to do so by management.
they push similar donation scams at my work too. I always tell them that I pick and choose the specific charities of which I intend to donate. They don't bother me.I want a tax-deductible receipt.
I want a tax-deductible receipt.
After the donations poured in to the Red Cross and United way for the 9/11 victims, they decided to keep a part of it in reserves. That was the end of my donations to those two chicken sh!t outfits.
I stopped giving to the United Way 25 years ago. When the actual percentage of the donations that went to recipients for all of their charities was first published. I really good one may actually have ended up at 5%.
AARP, Red Cross, United Way, UNICEF are run by liberals who pay their top brass big bucks.
The libs caterwaul about the 1%, but they give a complete pass to their own when they vote buy, collect on campaign contributions. Then they arrange for the owebuma 1%ers who bring in the most donations to be repaid by taxpayer dollars through a variety of legal and borderline legal means. It's a perfect storm of scams brought to you by the most transparent Chicago style crime syndicate thugocracy.
I was "required" to give a percentage of my pay to the United Way when I was in the Coast Guard. Well, required if I wanted leave, liberty, etc., so the CO could show that 100% of the people under his command were "donating" to them.
We called it our insurance policy.
I was "required" to give a percentage of my pay to the United Way when I was in the Coast Guard. Well, required if I wanted leave, liberty, etc., so the CO could show that 100% of the people under his command were "donating" to them.I got the dirty job of being collection officer on more than 1 occasion. The 100% number wasn't a suggestion. Supposedly there was no command pressure. In reality it was more of an awkward shakedown process. It never felt good or right to be asking young service members who were just scraping by to pony up.
We called it our insurance policy.
I got the dirty job of being collection officer on more than 1 occasion. The 100% number wasn't a suggestion. Supposedly there was no command pressure. In reality it was more of an awkward shakedown process. It never felt good or right to be asking young service members who were just scraping by to pony up.
Redefining normalcy, and defining deviancy down.
A fine organization for young boys shot all to hell by liberals and queers.
When United Way quit giving funds to Boy Scouts, I quit giving to United Way. The wife is required to work for and give to United Way at her place of work.....or I should say "STRONGLY INCOURAGED" to do so by management.
Many posts ago, CG6468 talked about the 'united way' scheme within the Coast Guard. Well he got out after I did, but things didn't change. My CO at Government Island, Alameda California dropped the same on us --quote by the CO that was part of the board of United Way in San Francisco- " regulations say I can not make you give to any charity, but they don't say I have to give you liberty, or sign advancement papers -- so based on rank, if you what any of the above, your donation 'will be what is recommended'.That Co needed to be relieved. That is one of the most outrageous cases of intimidation I have ever heard.
I have not donated to them one cent since then and never will.