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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on April 16, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
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BainsBane (7,733 posts)
Explosives in Boston could have been traced if not for the NRA?
This came across my Facebook via a group called Occupy the NRA. If true, that means the NRA is not just an impediment to public safety but national security as well.
"This type of technology, which has been around over 30 years, would help us solve cases like the Boston bombing.
But because the NRA says no, and continues to hold Americans hostage to the gun industry, we do not have this capability."
(http://i48.tinypic.com/34i64uq.jpg)
They cite these articles that followed the Oklahoma City bombing. Be sure to read below for additional information on the NRA's position and the type of explosives that would have been covered. If you believe this is a problem, remember that our representatives are complicit because they keep rolling over for the gun lobby.
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-04-28/news/mn-59942_1_oklahoma-bombing
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19950502&slug=2118763
Cali_Democrat (14,326 posts)
1. The NRA is also behind the blocking of the ATF director
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/atf-gun-laws-nra
This along with their desire to flood American streets with firearms, these guys are more dangerous than Al-Qaeda.
BainsBane (7,733 posts)
4. absolutely
Far more lives are lost due to gun proliferation than Al Qaeda terror attacks.
Xithras (13,354 posts)
22. Untrue. I dislike the NRA, but that's misleading to the point of being a lie.
The NRA did block taggant proposals in the mid-90's, but they relented after the OKC bombing under one caveat. The government had to first allow a nonpartisan third party agency to research taggants to determine that they were safe, effective, and that they would actually help to solve crimes.
The National Academy of Sciences researched the issue and did a full study with full access to all law enforcement data. They found that taggable explosive materials were only found in a small portion of bombing events, that no taggant system existed that could be reliably used for explosive gunpowders, and that the system would be very expensive and incur a huge cost that would be passed to farmers and landscapers (and to consumers, via higher food prices).
Given the costs involved and the lack of major law enforcement benefit from the program, the NAS committee bluntly recommended that taggants not be mandated. They gave that recommendation to Congress, which then dropped the issue.
FWIW, I used to be a big supporter of taggants, and supported the proposals when they first came out. Once it became clear that it imposed a large cost with little benefit, I (like Congress and most people who had argued for it) gave up on the idea. The idea has been brought up again a few times since then, but the supporters always get pointed back to the National Academy of Sciences research, and the proposals don't go anywhere.
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Xithras (13,354 posts)
22. Untrue. I dislike the NRA, but that's misleading to the point of being a lie.
The NRA did block taggant proposals in the mid-90's, but they relented after the OKC bombing under one caveat. The government had to first allow a nonpartisan third party agency to research taggants to determine that they were safe, effective, and that they would actually help to solve crimes.
The National Academy of Sciences researched the issue and did a full study with full access to all law enforcement data. They found that taggable explosive materials were only found in a small portion of bombing events, that no taggant system existed that could be reliably used for explosive gunpowders, and that the system would be very expensive and incur a huge cost that would be passed to farmers and landscapers (and to consumers, via higher food prices).
Given the costs involved and the lack of major law enforcement benefit from the program, the NAS committee bluntly recommended that taggants not be mandated. They gave that recommendation to Congress, which then dropped the issue.
FWIW, I used to be a big supporter of taggants, and supported the proposals when they first came out. Once it became clear that it imposed a large cost with little benefit, I (like Congress and most people who had argued for it) gave up on the idea. The idea has been brought up again a few times since then, but the supporters always get pointed back to the National Academy of Sciences research, and the proposals don't go anywhere.
I guess I am confused. Since when did that matter to the left?
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Good to know the 275 lbs primitive is part of the "Blame America First" trash.
Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022687031
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Good to know the 275 lbs primitive is part of the "Blame America First" trash.
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Sh/it must have gotten her/its "PhD" from a matchbook cover.
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"Occupy the NRA?"
Sounds like a really, really stupid idea.
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All pressurized cookers should be tagged?
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All pressurized cookers should be tagged?
I hope not.
I have 2 of them. :-)
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The National Academy of Sciences researched the issue and did a full study with full access to all law enforcement data. They found that taggable explosive materials were only found in a small portion of bombing events, that no taggant system existed that could be reliably used for explosive gunpowders, and that the system would be very expensive and incur a huge cost that would be passed to farmers and landscapers (and to consumers, via higher food prices).
Wait......uh, sCiEnCe!!
Oh. Wrong outcome.
wInGnuTZ!!!!!!!111111
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I hope not.
I have 2 of them. :-)
Terrorist!
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"Occupy the NRA?"
Sounds like a really, really stupid idea.
Yeah, it does. Until you stop to consider that the dinosaur media would go nuts over it. The Marxist part of Congress would hail it as earth changing; while the milquetoast Republicans would essentially do nothing, with some agreeing with it. I don't think they could get a very visible thing going, regardless. If they did, it would inevitably turn violent and people would tune out as we observe the (D)Ump twist itself in knots to deny leftist violence.
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The birdbrain primitive is jockeying for a nomination for the DOTY runnings. I wonder if she can maintain this level of stupidity into the fall?
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The birdbrain primitive is jockeying for a nomination for the DOTY runnings. I wonder if she can maintain this level of stupidity into the fall?
May prove to be difficult with no elections this fall.
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Every day I engage these leftists idiots on Yahoo story comments and it is just staggering how little they know of anything in contrast to how much they spew.
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Every day I engage these leftists idiots on Yahoo story comments and it is just staggering how little they know of anything in contrast to how much they spew.
I know. :banghead:
Sh/it must have gotten her/its "PhD" from a matchbook cover.
The $5.00 bin at Wal-Mart.
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The NRA is blocking policy?
Last I heard the federal government is made up of the Executive branch, the Legislative branch, and the Judicial branch. Do we have an NRA branch now?
And for you lurking parasites from DU, I know the intention is to claim that the lobbying arm of the NRA is 'blocking' it, but I can't figure out how the evil right-wing NRA blocked anything during the couple of years that the dims had control of the majority of the government. Are you saying that the dims are so inept that even when they have control of the government that they can be blocked by a group that isn't even part of the government?
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I know. :banghead:
The $5.00 bin at Wal-Mart.
I wonder how she earned that PhD. It certainly wasn't by doing any research.
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I wonder how she earned that PhD. It certainly wasn't by doing any research.
Ph.Double D-cups.
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Where is this talking point coming from today?
I know this isn't just "knowledge" the Baine primitive is carrying around in her pointy little head.
I vaguely remember this now that it has come up but it certainly wasn't at the top of my brain, waiting to be used either pro or anti NRA.
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Isn't fertilizer, the main part of the OKC bomb tagged?
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Isn't fertilizer, the main part of the OKC bomb tagged?
DU seems to be working under the assumption that the explosives weren't created out of common household products.
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DU seems to be working under the assumption that the explosives weren't created out of common household products.
That's crazy who could possibly make homemade explosives?
They had to have gone to Bombs R Us and bought them. :-)
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DU seems to be working under the assumption that the explosives weren't created out of common household products.
Illinois requires ID to purchase household drain cleaning products.
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Baines is a typical fictional lemming with a Ph.D. She hasn't had an original thought since she was a tiny tot.
She's a follower. Someone put an idea in her head and she is running over the cliff with it.
That is simply what compassionate liberals do.
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That is simply what compassionate liberals do.
If they were compassionate, they would look at the end result of the policies they support.
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I wonder how she earned that PhD. It certainly wasn't by doing any research.
All it takes is one well-time sexual harassment complaint.
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BB is a nutter.
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The NRA is blocking policy?
Last I heard the federal government is made up of the Executive branch, the Legislative branch, and the Judicial branch. Do we have an NRA branch now?
And for you lurking parasites from DU, I know the intention is to claim that the lobbying arm of the NRA is 'blocking' it, but I can't figure out how the evil right-wing NRA blocked anything during the couple of years that the dims had control of the majority of the government. Are you saying that the dims are so inept that even when they have control of the government that they can be blocked by a group that isn't even part of the government?
Yeah, I think that's what the primitives are saying.
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Are you saying that the dims are so inept that even when they have control of the government that they can be blocked by a group that isn't even part of the government?
According to Doctor Double D, the MN state legislature was absolutely powerless to stop an evil governor from completely dismantling the state public education system.
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BainsBane (7,733 posts)
Explosives in Boston could have been traced if not for the NRA?
You ugly, ****ing bitch. If I could, some way, reach through the internet and grab someone, your stupid ****ing ass would be missing a larynx. Just like many of you other DUmb ****ing idiots. :censored:
Violent? You're Damn right I'm violent. I'm your worst ****ing nightmare. Shit breaks off in this nation, LIKE YOU ****ING IDIOTS WANT, it's NOT going to work out for you because I will come for you first. :censored:
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You ugly, ****ing bitch. If I could, some way, reach through the internet and grab someone, your stupid ****ing ass would be missing a larynx. Just like many of you other DUmb ****ing idiots. :censored:
Violent? You're Damn right I'm violent. I'm your worst ****ing nightmare. Shit breaks off in this nation, LIKE YOU ****ING IDIOTS WANT, it's NOT going to work out for you because I will come for you first. :censored:
I think you won't be alone in that.
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I hope the stupid scrunt realizes that HME can't be traced in this manner, no the dumb bitch just wants to blame the NRA for yet another percieved wrong.
BTW lurking dumbasses C-4 can be traced in this manner, just in case your uniformed asses was wondering.
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Sh/it must have gotten her/its "PhD" from a matchbook cover.
She got it from UT Austin...same difference
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Taggants=contaminants=making the substances more dangerous to the lawful user.
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Illinois requires ID to purchase household drain cleaning products.
What's the background check like and are there any limits on how many drain cleaning products you can put in your shopping cart?
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Diesel Driver, they were referring to the all-important DOTY elections.
Xithras sure nailed her to the wall. You would think that someone with a PhD would know something about basic research, not just copy/pasting shit from Facebook, like a teenage girl. She never did tell us what this PhD was in. Evaded the question every time. Her posts were so idiotic and juvenile, you could never fathom her tackling something like a dissertation. What a dumb bitch. Fat, too, with a really ugly haircut.
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She never did tell us what this PhD was in. Evaded the question every time.
Probably Wymyn's Studies or Underwater Basketweaving.
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Xithras sure nailed her to the wall. You would think that someone with a PhD would know something about basic research, not just copy/pasting shit from Facebook, like a teenage girl. She never did tell us what this PhD was in. Evaded the question every time. Her posts were so idiotic and juvenile, you could never fathom her tackling something like a dissertation.
Whatever field of navel gazing or basket weaving it came from, it took her a long damn time to do it. Unless she's a member of the education cabal, I doubt she has any type of skill that would allow a transition should her govt funding run out.
I take that back - with some proper dieting and plastic surgery to fix the loose skin on her face, she could follow in the footsteps of some of her fellow BA grads and have a satisfying career saying "Welcome to Hooters".
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I guess I am confused. Since when did that matter to the left?
sssshhhh! maybe it will catch on! you know, logical thinking.
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Probably Wymyn's Studies or Underwater Basketweaving.
You'd think that a Doctor of Basketweaving would understand that homemade explosives made from common ingredients would be untraceable.
For example, the improvised explosive compound of one gallon of ammonia and one gallon of chlorine bleach, poured into a bucket full of cat litter. There are so many brands of ammonia, bleach, and cat litter, and each can be purchased with cash. How could such a thing be traced?
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER FOR DUMMY BANSHEE AND ANY OTHER LURKING DUMMIES: Improvised explosives are dangerous. Do not attempt at home. Really. I mean it. Don't.
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Diesel Driver, they were referring to the all-important DOTY elections.
Xithras sure nailed her to the wall. You would think that someone with a PhD would know something about basic research, not just copy/pasting shit from Facebook, like a teenage girl. She never did tell us what this PhD was in. Evaded the question every time. Her posts were so idiotic and juvenile, you could never fathom her tackling something like a dissertation. What a dumb bitch. Fat, too, with a really ugly haircut.
I know, but DUmmie "intelligence" shines brightest whenever there is a national election.
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You'd think that a Doctor of Basketweaving would understand that homemade explosives made from common ingredients would be untraceable.
For example, the improvised explosive compound of one gallon of ammonia and one gallon of chlorine bleach, poured into a bucket full of cat litter. There are so many brands of ammonia, bleach, and cat litter, and each can be purchased with cash. How could such a thing be traced?
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER FOR DUMMY BANSHEE AND ANY OTHER LURKING DUMMIES: Improvised explosives are dangerous. Do not attempt at home. Really. I mean it. Don't.
If they don't believe you, they can ask the late Mrs Bill Ayers when they meet her.
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You'd think that a Doctor of Basketweaving would understand that homemade explosives made from common ingredients would be untraceable.
For example, the improvised explosive compound of one gallon of ammonia and one gallon of chlorine bleach, poured into a bucket full of cat litter. There are so many brands of ammonia, bleach, and cat litter, and each can be purchased with cash. How could such a thing be traced?
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER FOR DUMMY BANSHEE AND ANY OTHER LURKING DUMMIES: Improvised explosives are dangerous. Do not attempt at home. Really. I mean it. Don't.
Why should we give them a warning that's no fun :fuelfire:
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I hope not.
I have 2 of them. :-)
Those are now "Pre-Ban" pressure cookers. Congratulations!
:popcorn:
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Those are now "Pre-Ban" pressure cookers. Congratulations!
:popcorn:
Will they be grandfathered in?
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Will they be grandfathered in?
Yep but you can't sell them or pass them on to your heirs.
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Why should we give them a warning that's no fun :fuelfire:
Just being a good citizen. The explosive power of that compound is amazing. If a DUmmy dies from trying it at home, my conscience will be clear.
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There is a lot of people who are suggesting that the explosive used was probably home made, because of all the visible smoke and reprted odor.Therefor, even if all explosive agents were tagged, it still wouldn't have mattered in this case.
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Taggants=contaminants=making the substances more dangerous to the lawful user.
Not to mention that putting that stuff in fertilizer (ammonium nitrate) COULD cause it to wind up in the food supply.
Nice move, DUmbasses!