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Title: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Freeper on March 15, 2013, 08:06:51 AM
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trumad (33,996 posts)

If only the Pope had a Gay son.


 
Just sayin....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022511158

 :mental:

Okay let's play his silly game and pretend the pope has a gay son. How would that make him change his mind?
If the pope's son was a thief would thou shalt not steal no longer matter?
If the pope's son was an atheist would the pope discard all the teachings of the church?

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Borchkins (68 posts)
1. Maybe he does. . .

We'll find out just after he resigns.

 :mental:

This is exactly why the left hates religion. They hate that there could be a higher power than government, they hate that true believers will not change their views just because something is popular or unpopular. They hate that religious people believe that rights come from God and that no man, not even 0bama and Feinstein can take those rights. They bitch about evangelic Christians who dare speak their message to others, but have no problems with evangelic liberals preaching to everyone trying to get them to convert to the church of liberalism. 
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: USA4ME on March 15, 2013, 08:10:11 AM
This must be why the trulymad primitive has a hard-on for teh gays; his son must be a fag.

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Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Gina on March 15, 2013, 08:16:08 AM
the Pope wouldn't be married or having sex right?  I mean that is what is supposed to happen :mental:
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Splashdown on March 15, 2013, 08:16:55 AM
While we're wishing,

If only DUmmies made any sense.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: JohnnyReb on March 15, 2013, 08:20:12 AM
While we're wishing,

If only DUmmies made HAD any sense.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Skul on March 15, 2013, 08:29:01 AM
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trumad (33,996 posts)

If only the Pope president had a Gay son Conservative daughter.
 
Just sayin....
See how that works, DUmmie?
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: WinOne4TheGipper on March 15, 2013, 08:32:32 AM
Because then he'd see things from your POV, right DUmmes?  Have you ever opened your mind to his POV?  Have you ever opened your mind to the idea that, since homosexuality is undeniably an unhealthy practice- leading to higher rates of STDs and increased risk of of mental illness and drug abuse- that maybe encouraging people to engage in an activity that leads to such heartache is NOT HELPFUL to them?
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Chris_ on March 15, 2013, 08:40:16 AM
I thought the Jesuits took a vow of celibacy.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Toastedturningtidelegs on March 15, 2013, 08:42:07 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022511158

 :mental:

Okay let's play his silly game and pretend the pope has a gay son. How would that make him change his mind?
If the pope's son was a thief would thou shalt not steal no longer matter?
If the pope's son was an atheist would the pope discard all the teachings of the church?

 :mental:

This is exactly why the left hates religion. They hate that there could be a higher power than government, they hate that true believers will not change their views just because something is popular or unpopular. They hate that religious people believe that rights come from God and that no man, not even 0bama and Feinstein can take those rights. They bitch about evangelic Christians who dare speak their message to others, but have no problems with evangelic liberals preaching to everyone trying to get them to convert to the church of liberalism. 
He actually thinks there are no gay Catholics?.... :lmao: The Church really doesn't actively preach against homosexuality.They preach against sin of which homosexuality is but one of many sins that human beings commit. Stealing,killing,coveting,pre-marital sex,taking the lords name in vain all sins ,all equally grave. You don't get a ****ing pass just because you are male and think it's perfectly normal to chug cock.Its disordered  and a sin...Deal with it cupcake. :-)
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Big Dog on March 15, 2013, 08:43:55 AM
I thought the Jesuits took a vow of celibacy.

Which creates the following;

If only the Pope had a gay son, then he would have openly violated his vow of chastity, and he wouldn't be Pope- someone else would.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Freeper on March 15, 2013, 08:55:11 AM
Which creates the following;

If only the Pope had a gay son, then he would have openly violated his vow of chastity, and he wouldn't be Pope- someone else would.

Yeah that is obvious to us, but the DUmmies not so much.  :-)

The problem with the left is, they want to control what everyone thinks so they can't have the church following beliefs that don't jive with being a DUmmy.

There are several things that I don't agree with the Catholic church on, but I would never dream of trying to force them to change to suit what I believe.
 
The only time I would expect any religion to change is if they violated established US law with their doctrine. For example human sacrifice, having 50 wives things like that. I do oppose changing laws in order to make any religion comply, like forcing them to pay for contraception, or forcing them to accept gay marriage as "holy matrimony".

This notion that if the church doesn't accept your behavior they are haters is a false notion. The church teaches that living with your fiancee before you get married is a sin. I did so for 2 years almost, I didn't picket the church and demand they change their doctrine to suit me. I am an agnostic anyway so I figure what I do is between me and God if he does in fact exist, and none of the business of the church, but I am adult enough to accept the fact that they think some things are wrong. And as long as they aren't stoning people to death, or beating up sinners then people should just accept the fact that others have different views.


Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: AprilRazz on March 15, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
The concept of hate the sin but love the sinner is lost on them.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: MrsSmith on March 15, 2013, 09:27:32 AM
He actually thinks there are no gay Catholics?.... :lmao: The Church really doesn't actively preach against homosexuality.They preach against sin of which homosexuality is but one of many sins that human beings commit. Stealing,killing,coveting,pre-marital sex,taking the lords name in vain all sins ,all equally grave. You don't get a ****ing pass just because you are male and think it's perfectly normal to chug cock.Its disordered  and a sin...Deal with it cupcake. :-)
But...but...but...if we can make everyone approve of our actions, surely they are NOT sins any more.  Right?  [/DUmpMode]

They just can't get it.  No law man can write will ever change God's laws.  
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Undies on March 15, 2013, 09:36:03 AM
If only we had a heterosexual president.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Toastedturningtidelegs on March 15, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
But...but...but...if we can make everyone approve of our actions, surely they are NOT sins any more.  Right?  [/DUmpMode]

They just can't get it.  No law man can write will ever change God's laws.  
Gay people actually shot themselves in the foot when they demanded that homosexuality be taken out of the DSM which listed it as a mental illness.That may have gotten them a pass with the Church. Had it stayed in. lol!
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: vesta111 on March 15, 2013, 10:09:36 AM
But...but...but...if we can make everyone approve of our actions, surely they are NOT sins any more.  Right?  [/DUmpMode]

They just can't get it.  No law man can write will ever change God's laws.  

Wait here MrsSmith, I was under the impression the vow to Chastity was a vow to not have sex with Females.

Way I was taught was at one time the Priests and even the Pope married and had children.   When the man died his children came in to inherit their fathers property and money.   Some where down the line the Church found they were loosing big money and intuited the No Marry into the priests.  This way the church would inherit the money and property of the Priest or Pope.

Boston in the 50's had a Cardinal Sheen who left almost $500,000 to his female house keeper.  

Loop holes in everything when it comes to rules and regulations.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Splashdown on March 15, 2013, 10:45:47 AM
Wait here MrsSmith, I was under the impression the vow to Chastity was a vow to not have sex with Females.

Way I was taught was at one time the Priests and even the Pope married and had children.   When the man died his children came in to inherit their fathers property and money.   Some where down the line the Church found they were loosing big money and intuited the No Marry into the priests.  This way the church would inherit the money and property of the Priest or Pope.

Boston in the 50's had a Cardinal Sheen who left almost $500,000 to his female house keeper.  

Loop holes in everything when it comes to rules and regulations.

 :banghead:
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: GOBUCKS on March 15, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
Which creates the following;

If only the Pope had a gay son, then he would have openly violated his vow of chastity, and he wouldn't be Pope- someone else would.

But in the democrat world, there is no stigma attached to shacking up or the production of bastard children.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: franksolich on March 15, 2013, 10:57:53 AM

vesta, dear, go take a little chloroform to clear up the clogged cerebral cells.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: njpines on March 15, 2013, 11:06:14 AM
the Pope wouldn't be married or having sex right?  I mean that is what is supposed to happen :mental:

He could be a widower with kids and have joined the priesthood.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: movie buff on March 15, 2013, 11:15:21 AM
the Pope wouldn't be married or having sex right?  I mean that is what is supposed to happen :mental:
Yeah, I was just going to point out that that pesky little "Celibacy" thing would make the DUmmy's proposed situation impossible in the first place, and displays the DUmp's typical ignorance of all things relating to the church.
But, to humor the DUmmy, let's pretend that there is no celibacy, and that the pope has a gay son. If he were to let personal family agendas take priority over accepted Biblical teachings and church traditions (Especially in the Catholic church; Say what you will about the Catholics, they place an especially strong emphasis on preserving their traditions and dogmas), he would be unworthy of his position in the church and should be replaced with someone who has more respect for the church's teachings.

"Borchkins (68 posts)
1. Maybe he does. . .

We'll find out just after he resigns."
Benedict was the first pope in nearly 600 years to resign/ retire rather than remain pope until his death. The odds of his immediate successor doing the same are, well, pretty slim.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Splashdown on March 15, 2013, 11:34:48 AM
The funny thing is that gay or straight, the rules for Catholics don't change.

Sex outside of the sacrament of marriage is sinful: with yourself, with anyone else. If it's outside of the sacrament, it's a sin

From the catechism:

2339   Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy.126 "Man's dignity therefore requires him to act out of conscious and free choice, as moved and drawn in a personal way from within, and not by blind impulses in himself or by mere external constraint. Man gains such dignity when, ridding himself of all slavery to the passions, he presses forward to his goal by freely choosing what is good and, by his diligence and skill, effectively secures for himself the means suited to this end."127

and...

"The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose."



A pretty simple rule. If you don't like it, then just don't be Catholic.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Toastedturningtidelegs on March 15, 2013, 12:01:15 PM
He could be a widower with kids and have joined the priesthood.
Yes thats true. I actually know a priest  who has children. I also know a Deacon in our own Parish who lost his wife in the last year. They had 3 children together and I believe he is seriously considering going back to Seminary to finish his liturgical studies and become ordained.After he has finished mourning his wife that is. :(
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Splashdown on March 15, 2013, 12:12:29 PM
Also, a married priest from the Church of England can get the bishop's permission for Catholic priesthood. If his wife were to die, however, he would not be allowed to re-marry.

And I'm not sure, but I don't think permanent deacons are allowed to marry again either if their wives were to die.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: GOBUCKS on March 15, 2013, 12:15:49 PM
Yes thats true. I actually know a priest  who has children. I also know a Deacon in our own Parish who lost his wife in the last year. They had 3 children together and I believe he is seriously considering going back to Seminary to finish his liturgical studies and become ordained.After he has finished mourning his wife that is.
Whether a widower can become a priest or not, it's unlikely he could advance in the heirarchy, let alone become a candidate for the papacy.

The Church needs more priests, but it has plenty of candidates for its higher offices.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Toastedturningtidelegs on March 15, 2013, 12:35:48 PM
Whether a widower can become a priest or not, it's unlikely he could advance in the heirarchy, let alone become a candidate for the papacy.

The Church needs more priests, but it has plenty of candidates for its higher offices.
Actually the only requirements to become Pope is that you are a baptised,catholic male.Its unlikely you would become pope but that is the only requirement. As to your first point. A widower can become a priest as long as he takes the vow of celibacy and honors it. The canon law says nothing about him being a virgin or never married as far as I know. Not every man who enters the seminary has his sights set on  the Chair of St.Peter. I would venture to guess that there are plenty of guys who just want to serve God in whatever way God calls them to serve.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Dori on March 15, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
How would having a gay son change anything?  They talk like he's never been around gays.  He administers to the AIDS afflicted, so I'm sure he knows them well. 
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Undies on March 15, 2013, 01:25:54 PM
How would having a gay son change anything?  They talk like he's never been around gays.  He administers to the AIDS afflicted, so I'm sure he knows them well. 

Could you imagine the DUmbass's half-white Black President washing AIDS patient's feet?  Pope Francis did just that.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: GOBUCKS on March 15, 2013, 01:26:53 PM
Actually the only requirements to become Pope is that you are a baptised,catholic male.

Well, of course. I was speaking to the political considerations in advancing through the heirarchy.

You could say that Taverner is eligible to be President of the United States.

His odds are probably better than those of a widowed American becoming Pope.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: BlueStateSaint on March 15, 2013, 01:34:23 PM
the Pope wouldn't be married or having sex right?  I mean that is what is supposed to happen :mental:

One of the UK tabloids (The Independent, I think) found a woman (77 if memory serves) who the new pope wrote a love letter to in either 1948 or 1949.  It said, "I want to marry you someday, and if I don't, I'll become a priest."  She apparently said something along the lines of, "Lucky for us Catholics that I didn't say 'yes.'"
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: vesta111 on March 16, 2013, 08:04:48 AM
One of the UK tabloids (The Independent, I think) found a woman (77 if memory serves) who the new pope wrote a love letter to in either 1948 or 1949.  It said, "I want to marry you someday, and if I don't, I'll become a priest."  She apparently said something along the lines of, "Lucky for us Catholics that I didn't say 'yes.'"

This Pope makes me VERY nervous.   He gets out in Public and wanders about, refuses to wear red shoes , I wonder how many other traditions he ignores.

The Liberal members of the church have already started trouble for him bad mouthing his past.  Me thinks the Pope needs a food taster and a CCW permit.

The Pope has the MOST DANGERIOUS job in the world.   
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Undies on March 16, 2013, 08:56:14 AM

He....refuses to wear red shoes,
I wonder how many other traditions he ignores.


I hear he refers to his underwear as "your holiness".
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: Freeper on March 16, 2013, 09:02:26 AM
This Pope makes me VERY nervous.   He gets out in Public and wanders about, refuses to wear red shoes , I wonder how many other traditions he ignores.

The Liberal members of the church have already started trouble for him bad mouthing his past.  Me thinks the Pope needs a food taster and a CCW permit.

The Pope has the MOST DANGERIOUS job in the world.   

The liberals are going to hate any pope until they elect a gay atheist pope.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: MrsSmith on March 16, 2013, 09:28:21 AM
Wait here MrsSmith, I was under the impression the vow to Chastity was a vow to not have sex with Females.

Way I was taught was at one time the Priests and even the Pope married and had children.   When the man died his children came in to inherit their fathers property and money.   Some where down the line the Church found they were loosing big money and intuited the No Marry into the priests.  This way the church would inherit the money and property of the Priest or Pope.

Boston in the 50's had a Cardinal Sheen who left almost $500,000 to his female house keeper.  

Loop holes in everything when it comes to rules and regulations.
Vesta, seriously, the law I referred to was NOT the Church law. It was God's law that makes it clear that sex is only for husband and wife, anything else is sinful.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: franksolich on March 16, 2013, 09:29:27 AM
Vesta, seriously, the law I referred to was NOT the Church law. It was God's law that makes it clear that sex is only for husband and wife, anything else is sinful.

Don't let vesta dear get to you.

She forgot to take her whiff of chloroform this morning.
Title: Re: If only the Pope had a Gay son.
Post by: WinOne4TheGipper on March 16, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
"If only the pope had a gay son... then we'd have one more reason to hate him."

http://twitchy.com/2013/03/16/no-gay-lo-for-rob-portman-many-libs-lash-out-at-senator-for-evolving-on-same-sex-marriage/

Don't forget: Liberals are always hateful, always miserable, always resentful.