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Title: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Rebel on January 15, 2013, 01:38:47 PM
[youtube=425,350]Wx9GxXYKx_8[/youtube]

I'm not saying I buy this; I'm not saying I don't. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and Alex Jones is a kook, but there are a lot of questions left open by this.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: 17 Oaks on January 15, 2013, 02:19:16 PM
I watched the whole thing, not because I do or have on things like this, but because it was so compelling.  Its truly a jaw dropper and it raises a lot of questions, far more than it answers.

I do not believe nor ever have in any conspiracy theories...
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Rebel on January 15, 2013, 02:22:03 PM
I watched the whole thing, not because I do or have on things like this, but because it was so compelling.  Its truly a jaw dropper and it raises a lot of questions, far more than it answers.

I do not believe nor ever have in any conspiracy theories...

I don't either and only had the thought, "aight, let's see what these conspiracy kooks are up to now". 8:30 left me in shock. What father is seen laughing it up a day after his daughter is brutally murdered?
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Dacabeti on January 15, 2013, 02:56:09 PM
I don't either and only had the thought, "aight, let's see what these conspiracy kooks are up to now". 8:30 left me in shock. What father is seen laughing it up a day after his daughter is brutally murdered?

Right before he is going to give a press conference about his daughter that was just murdered.

From the Coroner to the way people acted to the rifle being in the trunk, something about this entire episode is fishy as hell. I am not claiming conspiracy, but something is fishy.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Rebel on January 15, 2013, 03:10:36 PM
I just don't want to believe any U.S. government is capable of that. I really don't want to think it was an exercise with paid actors that was "leaked" as a real tragedy to drum up a certain, um, debate that's all over the news right now. With Fast and Furious, I don't put anything past these assholes, but it leaves me with a queasy feeling even having the thought. 
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: wasp69 on January 15, 2013, 03:12:19 PM
If all of it were true, then what?  Who's going to expose it?  Who's going to slip up and crack?  Until someone comes forward and says something, nothing will make a difference.

If true, and no one is willing to come forward and tell the truth, then God help us all because we are completely done as a free country.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Rebel on January 15, 2013, 03:32:48 PM
Someone on cnsbbs is trying to say now Salon has stated the little girl with Obama is actually her sister. I guess they've never heard of screencaps.


(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/burnsk73/SH_zps868618c7.jpg)


Her sister is to the right. She's on the left. She was supposed to be dead. The hell?
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Freeper on January 15, 2013, 03:33:38 PM
I've heard that some if the victims families were actors, not from the government but hired by the media. Of the two scenarios the media using actors is more plausible in my mind. I will watch this when I get home.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: 17 Oaks on January 15, 2013, 03:34:45 PM
No matter what side of the fence you fall on you are jumping in a pile of crap, no matter what you believe...
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Freeper on January 15, 2013, 03:40:08 PM
No matter what side of the fence you fall on you are jumping in a pile of crap, no matter what you believe...

Yep either way we will lose another chunk of liberty.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: J P Sousa on January 15, 2013, 03:51:49 PM
The really scary thing to me is the propaganda media. They are so much in bed with Obama and democrats that it is nearly impossible to believe anything "reported" anymore.   :hammer:

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Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: 17 Oaks on January 15, 2013, 04:03:45 PM
The really scary thing to me is the propaganda media. They are so much in bed with Obama and democrats that it is nearly impossible to believe anything "reported" anymore.   :hammer:

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I lived thru the USSR and had a dad who was in the OSI, bammy is as good as the Ruskys were...maybe better.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Freeper on January 15, 2013, 06:17:25 PM
The DUmmies found this video too, the post was hidden.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022197851

Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 15, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
The really scary thing to me is the propaganda media. They are so much in bed with Obama and democrats that it is nearly impossible to believe anything "reported" anymore.   :hammer:

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Legacy media is sleazy.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: thundley4 on January 15, 2013, 07:49:31 PM
Something F**ked up is going on.  It seems like we are hearing about one or two shootings a week since this happened.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/15/2-reported-dead-in-shooting-at-kentucky-community-college/
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: BigTex on January 16, 2013, 01:49:42 AM
I'm not saying I buy this; I'm not saying I don't. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and Alex Jones is a kook, but there are a lot of questions left open by this.

I watched the whole thing, not because I do or have on things like this, but because it was so compelling.  Its truly a jaw dropper and it raises a lot of questions, far more than it answers.

Of course it doesnt have answers because they didnt even attempt to find any. They didnt start with questions and then look to answer them, they started with a conclusion and made up questions that would fit it. The whole video asked slanted questions answered with conjecture backed up muted video with absolutely no context.

The fence sitters are worse than the conspiracy nuts, reminds me of all the people that make up these crazy implausible scenarios about Obama and then when some one calls them on it they just say "pray im wrong"

This has "truther" written all over it especially when they try to connect it to 9/11 which pretty much every single conspiracy question about that has been debunked now that its 11 years later and so much information has been released about it.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: BigTex on January 16, 2013, 01:53:06 AM
Her sister is to the right. She's on the left. She was supposed to be dead. The hell?

They had 3 daughters
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Revolution on January 16, 2013, 02:17:26 AM
Anderson Cooper's take, for what it's worth...http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-tackles-sickening-ignorant-newtown-conspiracy-theories/

I'm really not big on conspiracy theories, but something about this smells like Nadin.

Horrible.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 16, 2013, 07:57:19 AM
Anderson Cooper's take, for what it's worth...http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-tackles-sickening-ignorant-newtown-conspiracy-theories/

I'm really not big on conspiracy theories, but something about this smells like Nadin.

Horrible.

Anderson Cooper debunks it, huh.....must be true then.


Something this large with this many people involved would have fallen apart by now.


.....but Obama is one to never let a crisis go to waste.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Gina on January 16, 2013, 08:40:23 AM
I really look up to yall for news I can't see due to work/family but what about that video of them chasing someone into the woods?  What could be the possible answer to that?
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: MOKOFACE on January 16, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
Something F**ked up is going on.  It seems like we are hearing about one or two shootings a week since this happened.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/15/2-reported-dead-in-shooting-at-kentucky-community-college/

There is a long pedigree ...The river of steel fueling border violence , Zimmerman , Uncle Fester in Aurora , Ee-whay-sue in VT . 

While I'm on the subject , they let Dodson off easy yesterday amidst all the RKBA ruckus .

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Fast and Furious whistleblower cleared by ATF

A key whistleblower in the Operation Fast and Furious scandal -- after being initially sidelined at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives upon coming forward -- has been cleared by his ATF bosses and is now being hailed for the "essential role" he played in exposing the program.

ATF Special Agent John Dodson was cleared of wrongdoing pertaining to two internal investigations, according to a letter from Deputy Director Tom Brandon. Excerpts of that letter were released by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

Brandon, according to the excerpts, praised Dodson for his role in bringing the botched anti-gunrunning operation to the attention of Congress.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2I5k7VaTn
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: 17 Oaks on January 16, 2013, 08:50:41 AM
Of course it doesnt have answers because they didnt even attempt to find any. They didnt start with questions and then look to answer them, they started with a conclusion and made up questions that would fit it. The whole video asked slanted questions answered with conjecture backed up muted video with absolutely no context.

The fence sitters are worse than the conspiracy nuts, reminds me of all the people that make up these crazy implausible scenarios about Obama and then when some one calls them on it they just say "pray im wrong"

This has "truther" written all over it especially when they try to connect it to 9/11 which pretty much every single conspiracy question about that has been debunked now that its 11 years later and so much information has been released about it.
Most likely you are right, but sadly your argument started falling apart as you drug in 9/11, "truther" and I am surprised you did not bring up the birthers too and tying it to Obama somehow..

While the video certainly had some holes it clearly brings up some issues that does or should cause one to ponder and wonder.  As I went thru it I certainly saw plenty to cause me to doubt.  Take the smiling jovial attitude of some of the folks.  We can attribute that to a natural reaction to extreme emotional trauma as in the loss of your 6 yr old child...some people react by burying the emotion and covering it up with a smile and a laugh.  Something common in combat and in dealing with PTSD.  I can assure you there is little time for tears and emotion in the mist of a fire fight.  ASK ME HOW I KNOW!!!!!!

Sure, some of the video can be written off to time line etc etc.  That said there is troubling issues, such as the 6 children in the guys house, no doubt there is an explanation and I am sure for all there is legit answers.

Much can be attributed to a lack of communications, no one person in charge, mixed stories from folks on the ground seeking some television time for themselves.  The result is a grab bag of fact and wanna be facts, everyone wants to have the 'scoop' on the story.  True much is sorted out over time, but things like this lingers on for years and constantly gets a new lease in life.  I have noted in the past couple of days how many times I have heard that GHW Bush signed an Executive Order (banning certain guns) in 1989 and or 1990, when in fact he did not (I have examined the EO's signed by Bush over that time frame).   So even 20+ years later the media has latched on to a phony fact probably spewed by some anti-gun org that was never true to begin with.

As for 9/11, that had little legitimacy to it, most just laughed it off as the stretch was way to far for even the common man to accept.

Like UFO's 97% can be explained, but its the 3% that cannot that causes the problem.  SIDEBAR:   I attended a meeting of an org I belong to and our guest speaker, who happens to live down the road from me was giving a talk.  His talk was to debunk the Roswell UFO incident.  In fact he is was the centerpiece of the govt/Air Force denial of Roswell.  He is featured in the govt/Air Force report debunking the UFO's.  The only problem with the story and the report (of which he had copies) is the timeline.  He landed in a field not far from Roswell in a balloon and the gondola flipped over and his head got crushed, scalp nearly torn off and his head became swollen up to the size of a basketball.  He was taken into Roswell and seen by a lot of people while in the small local hospital and lots fo military running around.  And yes the pics of him truly did look like an alien.  One problem in the story.  This took place in 1959, NOT in 1947 the date of the Roswell incident...

Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Gina on January 16, 2013, 09:16:11 AM
 :o  I was rolling my eyes before but man, there are some really odd things in that video.   :o
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: BigTex on January 16, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
Most likely you are right, but sadly your argument started falling apart as you drug in 9/11, "truther" and I am surprised you did not bring up the birthers too and tying it to Obama somehow..

The VIDEO linked Sandy Hook to 9/11 not me, they video didnt say anything about the "birther" issue.

Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: BigTex on January 16, 2013, 10:32:40 AM
I really look up to yall for news I can't see due to work/family but what about that video of them chasing someone into the woods?  What could be the possible answer to that?

it was this guy

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Chris Manfredonia, whose 6-year-old daughter attends the school, was heading there Friday morning to help make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur.

He ran around the school trying to reach his daughter and was briefly handcuffed by police. He later found his child, who had been locked in a small room with a teacher.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/14/nation/la-na-1215-newtown-school-shooting-20121215
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Gina on January 16, 2013, 10:34:29 AM
it was this guy

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/14/nation/la-na-1215-newtown-school-shooting-20121215

Well shit!   :rant:  asshole didn't revise his video?  Thanks! :mental:
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: 17 Oaks on January 16, 2013, 10:54:36 AM
The VIDEO linked Sandy Hook to 9/11 not me, they video didnt say anything about the "birther" issue.


Yes I know and it was not needed there either and adding to it does not add anything to the case, I generally agree with you, most of this stuff is so fallacy ridden that it would not get by a 5th grader let alone a thinking man or woman.

That said logic and facts that are supportable are rare and getting rarer...as I type I am listening to Biden spew more BS on gun control...listen to what these two jokers say and it makes this video pale in comparo...
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Dacabeti on January 16, 2013, 10:59:51 AM
it was this guy

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/14/nation/la-na-1215-newtown-school-shooting-20121215

I know it is nitpicking but when did cordite start smelling like sulfur? If he was handcuffed running to the school how was there video showing him being chased through the woods? Why would he be in camo or was that another misstatement? Too much of this just does not make any sense.  I have no idea what happened as I was not there, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that 2 + 2 does not = 16.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: BigTex on January 16, 2013, 11:00:58 AM
Yes I know and it was not needed there either and adding to it does not add anything to the case, I generally agree with you, most of this stuff is so fallacy ridden that it would not get by a 5th grader let alone a thinking man or woman.

That said logic and facts that are supportable are rare and getting rarer...as I type I am listening to Biden spew more BS on gun control...listen to what these two jokers say and it makes this video pale in comparo...

Thats for sure, everyone on both sides has an agenda and no one seems to mind making up things to "prove" their case
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: BigTex on January 16, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
I know it is nitpicking but when did cordite start smelling like sulfur? If he was handcuffed running to the school how was there video showing him being chased through the woods? Why would he be in camo or was that another misstatement? Too much of this just does not make any sense.  I have no idea what happened as I was not there, but it does not take a rocket science to figure out that 2 + 2 does not = 16.

I have no idea where the smell info came from. The article said he was running around the school not to the school so that could easily put him in that wooded area, I dont know why he ran from the cops but adrenaline fight/flight isnt exactly implausible. Why was he wering camo? its a pretty common sight in Texas for people to wear camo as a fashion choice so I dont think anything about it. In this case 2+2 = 4.157 and Im gonna round it down

For people that want to believe this conspiracy no amount of explanation is possible
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Dacabeti on January 16, 2013, 11:16:53 AM
I have no idea where the smell info came from. The article said he was running around the school not to the school so that could easily put him in that wooded area, I dont know why he ran from the cops but adrenaline fight/flight isnt exactly implausible. Why was he wering camo? its a pretty common sight in Texas for people to wear camo as a fashion choice so I dont think anything about it. In this case 2+2 = 4.157 and Im gonna round it down

For people that want to believe this conspiracy no amount of explanation is possible

One would think that a person that wears camo all the time would know the difference between sulfur and cordite, however it is plausible that was the writers words and not his. If my daughter was in a school with shooting going on I would not be running around the school like a headless chicken. I would be running to her classroom. Yes, that is me and not this person, but I doubt many people would run around as opposed to at or away. I agree it isn't implausible, but it's not adding up. I really do not think that conspiracies work very well especially the number of people that would have to be involved in one of this size. I just do not like it when things are not adding up.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 16, 2013, 11:42:19 AM
Why Sandy Hook Massacre Spawned Conspiracy Theories
http://www.livescience.com/26314-sandy-hook-massacre-conspiracy-theories.html

Food for thought. Witness account is not totally reliable. Conspiracy theorists are nutjobs.  :mental:
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 16, 2013, 11:45:01 AM
Most likely you are right, but sadly your argument started falling apart as you drug in 9/11, "truther" and I am surprised you did not bring up the birthers too and tying it to Obama somehow..

While the video certainly had some holes it clearly brings up some issues that does or should cause one to ponder and wonder.  As I went thru it I certainly saw plenty to cause me to doubt.  Take the smiling jovial attitude of some of the folks.  We can attribute that to a natural reaction to extreme emotional trauma as in the loss of your 6 yr old child...some people react by burying the emotion and covering it up with a smile and a laugh.  Something common in combat and in dealing with PTSD.  I can assure you there is little time for tears and emotion in the mist of a fire fight.  ASK ME HOW I KNOW!!!!!!

Sure, some of the video can be written off to time line etc etc.  That said there is troubling issues, such as the 6 children in the guys house, no doubt there is an explanation and I am sure for all there is legit answers.

Much can be attributed to a lack of communications, no one person in charge, mixed stories from folks on the ground seeking some television time for themselves.  The result is a grab bag of fact and wanna be facts, everyone wants to have the 'scoop' on the story.  True much is sorted out over time, but things like this lingers on for years and constantly gets a new lease in life.  I have noted in the past couple of days how many times I have heard that GHW Bush signed an Executive Order (banning certain guns) in 1989 and or 1990, when in fact he did not (I have examined the EO's signed by Bush over that time frame).   So even 20+ years later the media has latched on to a phony fact probably spewed by some anti-gun org that was never true to begin with.

As for 9/11, that had little legitimacy to it, most just laughed it off as the stretch was way to far for even the common man to accept.

Like UFO's 97% can be explained, but its the 3% that cannot that causes the problem.  SIDEBAR:   I attended a meeting of an org I belong to and our guest speaker, who happens to live down the road from me was giving a talk.  His talk was to debunk the Roswell UFO incident.  In fact he is was the centerpiece of the govt/Air Force denial of Roswell.  He is featured in the govt/Air Force report debunking the UFO's.  The only problem with the story and the report (of which he had copies) is the timeline.  He landed in a field not far from Roswell in a balloon and the gondola flipped over and his head got crushed, scalp nearly torn off and his head became swollen up to the size of a basketball.  He was taken into Roswell and seen by a lot of people while in the small local hospital and lots fo military running around.  And yes the pics of him truly did look like an alien.  One problem in the story.  This took place in 1959, NOT in 1947 the date of the Roswell incident...



Some people deal with grief differently from other people.

I regards to Obama Birthers, that started with Hillary Clinton supporters. Conservatives were late to the game.

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: 17 Oaks on January 16, 2013, 11:52:04 AM
Some people deal with grief differently from other people.

I regards to Obama Birthers, that started with Hillary Clinton supporters. Conservatives were late to the game.

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html
Exactly the point I was making.

As for the birther issue, not sure where its orgins are, but no matter, he is NOT an American, don't care if he was born on the steps of the Capital...
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: NHSparky on January 16, 2013, 11:53:20 AM
IOW, the tinfoil hat crowd is part of the "Elvis factor", the latest manifestation of which is the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories.

Big surprise.  Memo to moonbats: Occam's Razor.  Look it up.  Apply it.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 16, 2013, 11:57:51 AM
I notice that LIBOR banking scandal is brought up with Aurora Massacre, Krim Children Murder, and Sandy Hook Massacre.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Eupher on January 16, 2013, 11:59:45 AM
Tinfoil hat notwithstanding (I've not seen the video and have no intention of watching it at this time), the mere fact that a segment of the population could even consider that a conspiracy surrounding this tragedy could exist, supported by the government, upheld by the government, and underwritten by the government, is staggering all by itself.

The truther thing is yet another WTF? that's rather old hat right now, but I think it's seriously an issue that people have so little trust and faith in government as to suggest this kind of thing.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm definitely one of those who believes the government has a role that they've long since forgotten about and I wouldn't trust a bureaucrat as far as I could throw him/her.

It's really just an indictment of how pissed off and distrustful we are.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 16, 2013, 12:02:11 PM
Tinfoil hat notwithstanding (I've not seen the video and have no intention of watching it at this time), the mere fact that a segment of the population could even consider that a conspiracy surrounding this tragedy could exist, supported by the government, upheld by the government, and underwritten by the government, is staggering all by itself.

The truther thing is yet another WTF? that's rather old hat right now, but I think it's seriously an issue that people have so little trust and faith in government as to suggest this kind of thing.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm definitely one of those who believes the government has a role that they've long since forgotten about and I wouldn't trust a bureaucrat as far as I could throw him/her.

It's really just an indictment of how pissed off and distrustful we are.

I have noticed distrust and trust in the government is cyclical. Right now, people are really distrustful of the government for various reasons. Probably the most in decades.

The problem with Sandy Hook was the news media was rushing every information that some proved to be false.
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: J P Sousa on January 16, 2013, 01:11:31 PM
Thats for sure, everyone on both sides has an agenda and no one seems to mind making up things to "prove" their case

And that is why I made this post (#10);

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  The really scary thing to me is the propaganda media. They are so much in bed with Obama and democrats that it is nearly impossible to believe anything "reported" anymore.   
 

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Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: J P Sousa on January 16, 2013, 01:21:58 PM
Why Sandy Hook Massacre Spawned Conspiracy Theories
http://www.livescience.com/26314-sandy-hook-massacre-conspiracy-theories.html

Food for thought. Witness account is not totally reliable. Conspiracy theorists are nutjobs.  :mental:

Interesting that the author of the above article wrote this book;

"Media Mythmakers: How Journalists, Activists, and Advertisers Mislead Us." 
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Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: Gina on January 16, 2013, 02:05:16 PM
Interesting that the author of the above article wrote this book;

"Media Mythmakers: How Journalists, Activists, and Advertisers Mislead Us." 
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 :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:
Title: Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
Post by: ColonelCarrots on January 16, 2013, 04:02:41 PM
I don't know what I see in this video.