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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on January 09, 2013, 07:35:05 PM
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trailmonkee (2,482 posts)
That Sound You Hear, is the Sound of Heads Exploding
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Good for President Obama and VP Joe Biden
There will be some serious freaking out on the 'all or nothing' side of the gun control issue.... guaranteed
Biden: Obama Might Use Executive Order to Deal With Guns
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-obama-might-use-executive-order-deal-guns_694984.html
Vice President Joe Biden revealed that President Barack Obama might use an executive order to deal with guns.
"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."
Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."
Biden, as he himself noted, helped write the Brady bill.
Eric Holder was scheduled to be at the meeting that's currently take place at the White House.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022161244
For 8 ****ing years these idiots claimed that Bush McHitler was such a dictator, yet when their preezy decides to bypass congress they stand and applaud.
northoftheborder (3,137 posts)
1. I like the way they are approaching this, with honesty and courage.
AndyA (15,361 posts)
6. I keep thinking that the gun culture issue exposes another problem in America
Why does law enforcement exist? If they can't serve and protect the people, why not? If there isn't enough money to put enough officers on the streets, we need to spend some of the defense budget to do so. Police also defend the country.
If our streets are so violent and unsafe that Americans must have multiple guns to protect themselves, something is wrong. It's not just mental illness, violent movies/tv/games, it's more than that. I'd rather have more well trained, regulated, law enforcement officers on the streets with guns than a bunch of strangers who I'm told I must trust to be responsible.
There are fire stations all over the country, but yet you probably have a fire extinguisher in your house. Should we simply just hire more firemen so you don't need the extinguisher?
angelus__ (4 posts)
8. Citizens with guns
are not for your protection sir. Its for their own. You can call the police if you'd like but plan on them being there in minutes when seconds count.
He's already banned. :rotf:
BainsBane (2,501 posts)
10. all the more reason not to have a gun
because it's 7x more likely to be used against yourself or a family member than an intruder.
You have a point DUmmy, people like you will probably shoot your life partner, your dog or yourself in the foot so you have the choice not to own a gun. Responsible people on the other hand will not do something stupid with their guns, you have no right to punish the responsible folks because you can't be trusted with anything sharper than the dull end of a crayon.
A Simple Game (4,607 posts)
20. If citizens with guns are not for my protection, then the have to
stop using the 2nd Amendment as an excuse for being able to own guns.
Let's make up our minds.
Publish the names so I know who I can call on when the government unfairly comes for me. An online database would be nice.
:whatever:
How about we publish the names of those who don't own a gun that way it will be safer for the thugs that want to rob your house.
Jennicut (25,048 posts)
21. The President can do certain things by Executive Order.
But doing something like the assault weapons ban requires Congress.
"The things Obama can get done through executive order are much smaller. They include "changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives," the Post says. Other Congress-less reforms floated include tracking gun buyers' history of mental illness, sharing more information between state and local law enforcement, keeping information on gun sales longer, and banning the importation of military-style weapons."
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/dont-worry-nra-obama-cant-do-big-things-guns-without-congress/60778/
It has to be something that pertains to the powers of the executive branch to begin with.
So he can ban guns based on that he thinks they are military style? :mental:
Ghostrider1 (2 posts)
28. Presidential power
Agreed. The president starts using EO's for something like this to sidestep the constitution and it opens a major can of worms. The question is; if it works, what other constitutional right will he sidestep? What if the Repubs win back the White House as they eventually will, will THAT president do the same to do whatever he or she wants?
Another concern troll. :rotf:
Taverner (51,642 posts)
23. You know, putting out an EO to actually enforce existing gun laws...
Would do a ton
Did Taverner just post a NRA talking point on DU?
I could swear the NRA has said that we have enough laws, just enforce the ones on the books.
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I have life jackets in my boat. I hope I never have to use them.
KC
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This suggestion is so chilling it may be the tipping point.
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DUer Jennicut (For once, at least, not a DUmmie) nailed it pretty well...actually I would not have a problem with improving the background check to take account of mental illness, God knows how they'd get past HIPAA on that one without a Congressional law change, though. Currently the question about this on a 4473 is a meaningless 'Honor system' response, with no actual system in place to contradict someone who is both nuts and a liar.
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The sound we hear is the sound of a US president preparing to take the first major step from being merely an incompetent, hypocritical moron to being a full- on tyrant now that his second term is secured.
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Does anybody really think that Eric Holder has any business talking about guns? Cough] fast and furious [Cough]
Taverner (51,642 posts)
23. You know, putting out an EO to actually enforce existing gun laws...
Would do a ton
Better watch it tav. Nads is gonna waddle in and call you on it. :rotf:
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Ghostrider1 (2 posts)
28. Presidential power
Agreed. The president starts using EO's for something like this to sidestep the constitution and it opens a major can of worms. The question is; if it works, what other constitutional right will he sidestep? What if the Repubs win back the White House as they eventually will, will THAT president do the same to do whatever he or she wants?
He's a conservative lawyer......I remember him from another board. He's not gonna last long on DU.`
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Taverner (51,642 posts)
23. You know, putting out an EO to actually enforce existing immigration laws...
Would do a ton
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Obviously the DUmmies have no cognitive ability to tell the difference between the sound of heads exploding and the sound of 10 million magazines being loaded into magazine wells.
Do you suppose they'll stand there and try to figure out the difference between the sounds of incoming and outgoing fire? :mental:
:killemall:
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AndyA (15,361 posts)
6. I keep thinking that the gun culture issue exposes another problem in America
Why does law enforcement exist? If they can't serve and protect the people, why not? If there isn't enough money to put enough officers on the streets, we need to spend some of the defense budget to do so. Police also defend the country.
If our streets are so violent and unsafe that Americans must have multiple guns to protect themselves, something is wrong. It's not just mental illness, violent movies/tv/games, it's more than that. I'd rather have more well trained, regulated, law enforcement officers on the streets with guns than a bunch of strangers who I'm told I must trust to be responsible.
Hey DUmmie..THE POLICE RESPOND AFTER SOMETHING HAPPENS...NOT BEFORE....That's one reason why you need to be able to defend yourself.
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This suggestion is so chilling it may be the tipping point.
If there isn't enough money to put enough officers on the streets, we need to spend some of the defense budget to do so. Police also defend the country.
You retards need to think long and hard about that. I realize that the capacity is limited, but that road has been traveled before. Then again, perhaps your overlords already have. Sadistic, homosexual thug activists?
(http://www.bartholdsson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ernst_rohm-300x400.jpg)
Check.
A willing cadre of indoctrinated sturmtruppen ready to silence dissent? Completely willing to overlook the Little Dictators' disregard for the Constitutional process.
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4531169891977179&pid=1.7)
Check.
Ghostrider1 (2 posts)
28. Presidential power
Agreed. The president starts using EO's for something like this to sidestep the constitution and it opens a major can of worms. The question is; if it works, what other constitutional right will he sidestep? What if the Repubs win back the White House as they eventually will, will THAT president do the same to do whatever he or she wants?
Better listen, idiots.
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Does anybody really think that Eric Holder has any business talking about guns? Cough] fast and furious [Cough]
Better watch it tav. Nads is gonna waddle in and call you on it. :rotf:
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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DUer Jennicut (For once, at least, not a DUmmie) nailed it pretty well...actually I would not have a problem with improving the background check to take account of mental illness, God knows how they'd get past HIPAA on that one without a Congressional law change, though. Currently the question about this on a 4473 is a meaningless 'Honor system' response, with no actual system in place to contradict someone who is both nuts and a liar.
I welcome it. Long time ago, I assumed that those things would be done and found out. Then I became involved with how government bureaucracy works....
dopey me.
Enforce. the. law.
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Does anybody really think that Eric Holder has any business talking about guns? Cough] fast and furious [Cough]
Better watch it tav. Nads is gonna waddle in and call you on it. :rotf:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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DUer Jennicut (For once, at least, not a DUmmie) nailed it pretty well...actually I would not have a problem with improving the background check to take account of mental illness, God knows how they'd get past HIPAA on that one without a Congressional law change, though. Currently the question about this on a 4473 is a meaningless 'Honor system' response, with no actual system in place to contradict someone who is both nuts and a liar.
Careful what you ask for. The government defining "mental illness" could be a major power grab in its own right.
Two Doctors tried to put me on antidepressants in the past for no reason. I was seeing them for nothing of the sort and this came out of the blue. Finally I filled one prescription and took the pill for 3 days... Couldn't sleep and felt like I wanted to climb the walls. Told I needed to take the pills for at least a month and those symptoms would abate. BS! I am not depressed in anyway and most likely this is a way to get someone dependent on these drugs.
Whats to stop the government from restricting gun ownership to someone who takes antidepressants or alot of other drugs for that matter. Drugs that are being handed out like candy by many MD's. The health records are electronic now which is a huge part of Obamacare.
Just saying.
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I have life jackets in my boat. I hope I never have to use them.
KC
Airbags and seatbelts in the car.
Fire extinguisher in the kitchen.
Helmets.
Parachutes.
The list can grow.
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The sound we hear is the sound of a US president preparing to take the first major step from being merely an incompetent, hypocritical moron to being a full- on tyrant now that his second term is secured.
It's like watching the character Emporer Cartagia on Babylon 5. Only now it's terrifying because it's real and it's happening here.
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It's like watching the character Emporer Cartagia on Babylon 5. Only now it's terrifying because it's real and it's happening here.
I was thinking President Clark, but that one works, too.
Clark was evil and devious, Cartagia was a ditz, just like Barry.
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Hey DUmmie..THE POLICE RESPOND AFTER SOMETHING HAPPENS...NOT BEFORE....That's one reason why you need to be able to defend yourself.
Gee, I thought they didn't like police! :rofl:
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The sound we hear is the sound of a US president preparing to take the first major step from being merely an incompetent, hypocritical moron to being a full- on tyrant now that his second term is secured.
What's worse is I think these idiots are provoking a fight to set up an "assasination attempt", probably at the coronation, to try their gun grab. They know damn good and well any legislation is DOA, so why not set up a scenario and create a crisis that can't be wasted?
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Hi5!!!!
The existing immigrations system is great at very thoroughly punishing those who follow the LEGAL path while rewarding any Spanish speaking person that hops the Southern border.
in 2006, Gov. Mitch Daniels handed my wife's certificate of US Citizenship to her. Before he moved to the next naturalized citizen, I told her (He could hear this), "Dear, this process would have been much faster and cheaper if you had first learned to speak Spanish and then hopped the Southern border." He didn't say anything but I did see an expression of agreement on his face.
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Interesting how they claim that it would be impossible to round up the 11 million illegal immigrants to deport, but collecting 300 millions guns would be perfectly doable.
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God knows how they'd get past HIPAA on that one without a Congressional law change
I forgot all about that, DAT. It's pretty strict, too. I couldn't even get help in researching a small insurance claim (teeth cleaning) without filling out all kinds of forms and crap (while signing away God-knows-what). What nightmares will that bring with Obamacare?
Vlad also makes a good point re medications. You have a privacy law, but then again, you might not. They'll sidestep anything.
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Interesting how they claim that it would be impossible to round up the 11 million illegal immigrants to deport, but collecting 300 millions guns would be perfectly doable.
Very good point. H5.