Response to NoOneMan (Reply #5)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:24 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,342 posts)
10. Wow, the sad part s that vets
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Don't go on and n about their service.
They woud like those services promised to be kept though. That seems like too much.
Perhaps you'd be happier if we had a second march on Washington from destitute vets.
I mean, they did not have the good sense to die.
Response to JoeyT (Reply #22)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:14 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,342 posts)
25. Funny, the vets I know
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All they want is their va to be left alone, and Tricare.
They are also among the most jaded people you'll ever not meet, and quite anti war.
But hey, I guess it/ time to not fulfill that and wait for another march on DC.
Yes, we have an empire problem...take it with the political class that right now wants to take these services away.
Response to JoeyT (Reply #29)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:41 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,342 posts)
32. Ah, rear echelon personnel
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That explains it.
The ones I know are all combat vets. They are all, to a man ( and a few women, Iraq) all for single payor healthcare.
There is a rule of thumb, the farthest from the actual front lines, the more gung ho people tend to be.
My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.
It s a matter of luck, I admit.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:51 PM
Star Member Taverner (51,479 posts)
21. Good question. Please allow me to answer.
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As far as I know, "supporting the troops" is to keep our military so threatening, so dangerous, so forceful, so that no one out there would even THINK of launching an attack against us.
This is what is meant by "defending your freedoms," even though no war has protected American borders since the war of 1812.
This means, you support every war we have had since.
Now, I can understand a few. World War II was pretty necesarry - of course 99% of this can be blamed on the lack of support for Wilson's "League of Nations" but I get it.
And Korea, well, hell, we created that mess, so we should have fixed it.
But every other war has been furthering our FINANCIAL interests, not our freedoms.
If you think they have, then - well I have nothing more to say to you.
If you want to argue a specific incident, I'm willing.
And despite what YOU think of ME, I am not your enemy.
I never sent you to kill someone you don't know for a reason they never told you.
But fire away.
Response to sarisataka (Reply #26)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:25 PM
Star Member Taverner (51,479 posts)
27. An officer can always refuse orders. There may be consequences, but they can always refuse. nt
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Response to Taverner (Reply #27)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:58 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,342 posts)
34. You know, it s easy to say people can disobey orders
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I did...it was clearly illegal.
But it is cavalier to ask, or demand when you have never served in any military. The consequences could have included a firing squad.
But I agree with Sarisaka, since civilians control the US military, you really want to stop the machine, look in the mirror.
Oh and my dear, through your representatives you have sent others to war.
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My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.
It s a matter of luck, I admit.
nadinbrzezinski
34. You know, it s easy to say people can disobey orders
I did...it was clearly illegal.
This is what is meant by "defending your freedoms," even though no war has protected American borders since the war of 1812.
Response to Taverner (Reply #27)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:58 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,342 posts)
34. You know, it s easy to say people can disobey orders
But it is cavalier to ask, or demand when you have never served in any military.
BTW, there are 3 orders you can disobey that can be excused in a courts-martial, at least, you hope. An order that is A) illegal, B) immoral, or C) causes unnecessary harm, I.e. you can't be ordered to jump on a grenade. It's all gray as hell though.
My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.
And Korea, well, hell, we created that mess, so we should have fixed it.
Quote32. Ah, rear echelon personnel
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That explains it.
The ones I know are all combat vets. They are all, to a man ( and a few women, Iraq) all for single payor healthcare.
There is a rule of thumb, the farthest from the actual front lines, the more gung ho people tend to be.
My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.
It s a matter of luck, I admit.
Do tell what combat her husband saw? Anyone know?
I've heard several variations of that in my career - most commonly "Illegal, immoral, or unethical," "Illegal, immoral, or fattening," and "Illegal, immoral, or sounds like it might actually be fun."
Nads' hubby a combat vet, do tell...does that mean his sub cruised through a hostile fire pay zone once?
Do tell what combat her husband saw? Anyone know?
He married nads and presumably had relations with her at some point. I think that would qualify as hazardous duty... maybe even combat. :-)
I've heard several variations of that in my career - most commonly "Illegal, immoral, or unethical," "Illegal, immoral, or fattening," and "Illegal, immoral, or sounds like it might actually be fun."
Nads' hubby a combat vet, do tell...does that mean his sub cruised through a hostile fire pay zone once?
Wait.....what year did Pearl Harbor happen? I know, Hawaii wasn't a state yet, but it was still protecting our borders, by making sure the Japanese didn't try it again.
And after 9/11, wasn't that making sure it didn't happen again, and protecting our borders. We thwarted attacks on our soil.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. I got to treat a couple of those darn cute boys in TJ
what they were doing down there, among them browns? I let the police handle that one. Lets just say it had a smidgen to do with the drug trade.
They were SO HAPPY there was a white one in the crew, I mean the Negro and the brown back in the crew... I mean the horror... they were from East San Diego County...
As I said, the police dealt with the reasons they were down there... they did not like them cops. They insisted they were US Citizens, well until them rap sheets were run, and not only did they have to answer to the local cops, the state police and the Federales but also the FBI... they were wanted for some ahem hate crimes.
Oh and I did mention to them that I might have been white, but I was born and raised in Mexico City (the accent and last name they thought it was Eastern Europe) and that I was Jewish.
Oh they wanted to crawl out of their skins... they had IVs started by a Jew... I tell you that was pure torture for these two boys... that was worst than the black guy or the Mexican... it was almost like throwing acid. Of course the FBI agent, sent by the Consulate, did not appreciate that... his last name was Marcowitz... you guessed it. The two Federal Agents were just confused by the reaction. I mean it is bad when ... they'd rather deal with the Federal Police.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. My husband is in the navy
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 06:17 PM by nadinbrzezinski
as I have stated before, he sat there shocked, not because
of what he said, but becuase the man was engaging in
politics WHILE IN UNIFORM.
I think you really have no idea what I am talking about, and
for the record, if my husband said the same thing, just replace
Jewsish for Christian, he would be drummed out of the service,
for violating the UCMJ....
Again, at least those of us with connections with the military, this is not a gray issue or freedom of speech, but a UCMJ issue and this one is pretty clear cut
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. When my husband left the Naval service
about six months ago, the crew of his boat was no longer in
Bush's pocket. (And that assumes they ever were truly in their pocket)
Here are some of the things that they lived though.
They needed to be replenished at sea, (food and other stuff) and everything, from toilet paper to flour was replaced for Lima Beans
When they got to Bahrain for emergency repairs, which they could not do, they fed the local troops who were limited to three MREs, here is the game KBR was playing, you are gonna eat yoru hot meal at 12:00, you mean you are on watch? Too bad, you can't make it, here is your MRE... realize MREs are 3 dollars a meal, the hot measl are seven bucks, see the "savings" for Halliburton?
The troops on guard were so hungry that they had more people pulling duty than they knew what to do because they were hungry.
Oh did I mention we shipped soap, toiletries and toilet paper to the theater because you could not find that in theater?
So they will not overtly tell you what they think of Bush, but in November, most of those sailors and officers will vote Democrat.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 03:22 PM
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10. I'd better correct you
my hubby just retired from the USN, after 20 in.
(Yep all duckies were in a row or he would have been extended, I am possitive of it)
Amazing at it may sound, he has been shot at... and he still wakes up at night due to them nightmares. Free hint he is not a seal.
So don't generalize, and by the way... the Navy is also fed up with Baby Bush's dreams of world conquest...
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. Some of the upper ranks in that sense you are correct
mostly because Bush never went after Boykin, and he should have been forced out. So people like Boykin will have to be forced out. But there are good officers even at the upper ranks who are doing the best they can.
By the way when Shalishkavilli said in the convention that we are on our way to a hollow army, he was talking the theme I have been hearing for over two years from those in... after hubby retired I lost my ability to hear these things, but I know Shalishkasvilli was talking for those folks.... who hate what Bush has done to the Armed Forces.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:49 PM
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4. Hubby took a USN sub across the pacific using just
Charts and a sextant.
These new fangled devices are a nice backup.
:hi:
Yes he is old school that way. Very much a dying breed in the modern nuclear navy if you ask me.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=233x9000
Uh..... :lmao:
I just can't......... :rotf:
Don't you need to actually see the stars when using a sextant?
AHAHAHAHAHA.
Stop. Please. Make. It. Stop.
Forgotten my history, who was Maximilian in this mess ????
Oh God.
I thought she'd gotten progressively nuts, but apparently she's always been as delusional as she is now.
My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.She's already forgotten the retired sub captain who shared canned milk with her when the TEPCO radiation showered down on San Diego.
She's already forgotten the retired sub captain who shared canned milk with her when the TEPCO radiation showered down on San Diego.
(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/gobucksnumbers/442039-marko_ramius_large.jpg)
And now, the addled Mr. nadin, a non-commissioned officer, ordered an American nuclear submarine to travel across the Pacific on the surface, so he could plot a course with a sextant. Maybe that's why they got shot at. (On a nuclear sub, even when surfaced, would an addled non-comm like Mr. nadin have access to the conning tower? Or maybe his station on the boat had a window.)
Response to JoeyT (Reply #22)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:14 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,342 posts)
25. Funny, the vets I know
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All they want is their va to be left alone, and Tricare.
They are also among the most jaded people you'll ever not meet, and quite anti war.
But hey, I guess it/ time to not fulfill that and wait for another march on DC.
Yes, we have an empire problem...take it with the political class that right now wants to take these services away.
She knows TiT?
Do tell what combat her husband saw? Anyone know?
does that mean his sub cruised through a hostile fire pay zone once?
the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets
I am from somewhere else. That somewhere else could be the dimension that's missing a know-it-all. More and more I'm coming to believe she is the one mentioned by my friend.
Hand to hand combat on the mess decks when they ran out of ice cream. :-)
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=233x9000
Uh..... :lmao:
I just can't......... :rotf:
Don't you need to actually see the stars when using a sextant?
AHAHAHAHAHA.
Stop. Please. Make. It. Stop.
Uh, yes, yes, you would. Most QM's know how to take a sun/star reading, but underway, the QM's work with the foward ET's (back in my day, only the Nav ET's were called ET's....now it seems that EVERYONE up forward is an ET...)
****, I'm a NUKE and even I know how to shoot a sextant reading, thanks to the idiocy that was the CPO exam back in the mid-90's.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:49 PMLet me guess. It was duct taped to the periscope.
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4. Hubby took a USN sub across the pacific using just
Charts and a sextant.
These new fangled devices are a nice backup.
Yes he is old school that way. Very much a dying breed in the modern nuclear navy if you ask me.
Let me guess. It was duct taped to the periscope.
I'm not the sharlest knife in the drawer when it comes to squid stuff, however...
It's kind of my understanding that those boats are escorted out to a secured area, and then they became sinkers for the entire trip.
When they came back, they turned into floaters again.
Actually, since Gulf War I, a lot of boats have made ops in the Gulf. Mostly 688-I class or VA-class boats (non-VLS boats need not apply, apparently) but they do go there. Not someplace I'd like to be, frankly--water in the Gulf is WAY shallow (average depth less than 200 feet) and one of the JO's on my first boat was CO of the Newport News about 5-6 years ago when he got "zoofed" by a Japanese tanker and got sucked up into them. Not his fault, but still lost his command.
nadinbrzezinski
They needed to be replenished at sea, (food and other stuff) and everything, from toilet paper to flour was replaced for Lima Beans
Any sub commander who decided to cruise across the Pacific on the surface would enjoy a new assignment in Dutch Harbor until his separation from service.
My Navy Veteran brothers and sisters, I have a new respect for you.
I had no idea you had to use Lima beans instead of toilet paper.
And I thought John Wayne toilet paper was a big deal!
It's not so bad once you soak them overnight, otherwise you get little bean chips caught in the crack of your ass, which make some really monstrously uncomfortable dingleberries.
Um, um, ummmmmmm. Talk about 'roid rage' this stuff would sure cure it.
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4596/fleetrough.jpg)
Brings a tear to yer eye just thinkin' 'bout it don't it.
I can't count how many subs we backed down on during Springboard. Always the same, they would come up on deck winking an blinking like little kittens, hooked up their safety lines, and, then tried to figure out how to undo their deck cleat. Once they got that figured out we would throw over a heaving line to send out the hawser, then we would begin scrounging for coffee, ice cream, or whatever else we could get. We were the original Pirates of the Caribbean when working the Vieques Straits. :whistling: