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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on December 17, 2012, 06:05:33 PM
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NNguyenMD (1,163 posts)
Do CCL folks seriously believe their handgun...
with maybe 1 or 2 clips can take a nut case experienced in handling an AR-15 with a bunch of high capacity clips.
I can see that gun fight ending real soon.
They might be able to hold off a homicidal gunman ong enough so that THEY can get away. But its not like they're all highly trained snipers who can hit anything while getting shot at and a bunch of people running for their lives.l
Then the next thing you'll hear is the gun lobby advocating carrying assaults weapons in public sanctuaries! And then the arms race will just keep escalating.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022014374
I guess this DUmmy hasn't heard this story, http://easybakegunclub.com/news/1943/Clackamas-Mall-Shooter-Was-Confonted-By-Concealed-.html which is not surprising since the media hates stories like this. The gunman spotted a man with a handgun and being the coward that he is he ran into a stairwell and killed himself. Once he realized he wasn't the only one with a gun he knew it was over.
AlexSatan (463 posts)
1. How many bullets
do you think it takes to take a person down?
slackmaster (57,612 posts)
5. The few people I know who have permits carry their weapons only for self-defense
They have no delusions about any kind of heroic intervention against someone who has gone amok.
Sekhmets Daughter (2,112 posts)
17. Because what every parent
wants for their children is for them to have a teacher capable of killing another human being...<<sigh>>
Given the choice yes I'd rather have a teacher who could drop a thug with one shot than to plan a funeral for my kid because the teacher was powerless to stop him.
Warpy (66,112 posts)
15. Shootouts in a densely packed group of panicky people
are not going to end well and will result in a higher body count.
Slowing the shooter down by reducing the number of rounds per minute and the size of the clips would give people more time to act, either by tackling him, smacking him over the head with a heavy object, or any other means.
Slowing these squirrels down might just be the best we can do at this point.
You know when people are discussing guns and they call magazines clips they show just how ignorant they are about guns.
http://www.hausofguns.com/2011/04/18/whats-the-difference-between-a-clip-and-a-magazine/
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Per the subject line.........Yes
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Taking one guy is easy, unless you're unfortunate enough to be in the line of his fire when he starts shooting, the amount of ammo has nothing to do with it, it is all about who has the drop on who. What makes it a bitch of a losing proposition is if he isn't alone, or has been trained in MOUT or what the Brits call CQB, and realizes you're a threat before you get a shot.
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Well seeing how the last two shootings occurred at less then 75 meters, probably less then 30 meters in fact I can bet that anyone that has spent time on a range would have at least a 50% chance of taking out some clown with an AR-15 if they apply the proper technique and fire off a round or two. Neither of the past two gunmen were wearing body armor so it's likely that yes someone could have taken them out.
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1. The mentally disturbed shooter did not bring a rifle. The Bush Master was in his car.
2. YES!
3. Ignorance thy name is DUmmy.
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1. The mentally disturbed shooter did not bring a rifle. The Bush Master was in his car.
2. YES!
3. Ignorance thy name is DUmmy.
The main rifle was an AR. The trunk gun was a shotgun. Coroner stated everyone was shot with .223
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They all miss the point that all these shootings happen in alleged "gun free zones" where homicidal maniacs know they have free shots and nearly 0 resistance.
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NNguyenMD (1,163 posts)
Do CCL folks seriously believe their handgun...
with maybe 1 or 2 clips can take a nut case experienced in handling an AR-15 with a bunch of high capacity clips.
I can see that gun fight ending real soon.
They might be able to hold off a homicidal gunman ong enough so that THEY can get away. But its not like they're all highly trained snipers who can hit anything while getting shot at and a bunch of people running for their lives.l
Then the next thing you'll hear is the gun lobby advocating carrying assaults weapons in public sanctuaries! And then the arms race will just keep escalating.
Are we supposed to take serious a DUmmy that calls a magazine a clip?
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To answer the primitives question, yes, I'll pit my training and operational experience against a deranged active shooter.
I may not come out of it in one piece, but the other individual won't survive the encounter either.
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The main rifle was an AR. The trunk gun was a shotgun. Coroner stated everyone was shot with .223
My mistake for relying on media's version on 12/16/12/ I read stories saying that it was the .223 that was in the car and that it was handguns in the school.
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My mistake for relying on media's version on 12/16/12/ I read stories saying that it was the .223 that was in the car and that it was handguns in the school.
That is what I heard for the first two days. He used two handguns, but had a shotgun in the cars trunk. I didn't start hearing about the rifle until yesterday.
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Do CCL folks seriously believe their handgun...
Yes.
Do DUmmies seriously believe that they can "turneth away wrath" with a well-placed soft word? Who do they think they are, their lord and savior Preezy O'Choom?
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To answer the original question...yes.
As for this...
AlexSatan (463 posts)
1. How many bullets
do you think it takes to take a person down?
One. But you always double tap to make sure.
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I can't believe they are that stupid. Are they really that stupid or are they just screwing with us? :???:
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NNguyenMD (1,163 posts)
Do CCL folks seriously believe their handgun...
with maybe 1 or 2 clips can take a nut case experienced in handling an AR-15 with a bunch of high capacity clips.
Yes, because I'm not running at the guy with a handgun firing, while he's running at me with an AR firing like the damn scene in Redtails. Like you're fellow DUmmie said:
AlexSatan (463 posts)
1. How many bullets
do you think it takes to take a person down?
Exactly. Unless I'm the target and he knows my specific location, I'm not exposing myself until I have a clear shot.
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It sounds to me like this moron has more of a problem with the ones who are carrying their guns legally for protection than the psychos who will break their precious gun control laws in their attempts to get a gun to kill a lot of people.
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I love days like today, I really do. The sun is shining, the temperature is moderate, and I don't have to do any type of aerobic exercise since I have DUmp democrats throwing around their ignorance to raise my heart rate and blood pressure.
NNguyenMD (1,163 posts)
Do CCL folks seriously believe their handgun...
Does this DUmp rat seriously expect us to believe he's a MD?
with maybe 1 or 2 clips can take a nut case experienced in handling an AR-15 with a bunch of high capacity clips.
Yes. Nobody is invincible and holding an assault "riffle" does not render one the automatic winner in close range combat. A .45 hollow point round does not give a shit what you're holding.
I can see that gun fight ending real soon.
Given the proper sight picture and tactical advantage, so can I, DUmbass - in my favor.
They might be able to hold off a homicidal gunman ong enough so that THEY can get away. But its not like they're all highly trained snipers who can hit anything while getting shot at and a bunch of people running for their lives.
One does not have to be a highly trained sniper at 35 to 50 feet, DUmmie. Most of us who legally carry practice at those distances as well as up close and personal. By the way, DUmmie, you are giving the lunatic gunman way too much credit. You might not be able to put down a feral obamaite, but there are many who can.
And they are armed.
Then the next thing you'll hear is the gun lobby advocating carrying assaults weapons in public sanctuaries! And then the arms race will just keep escalating.
:overreaction: :whatever:
Spare me the hyperbolic drama queenery, you craven child. What I pray happens is that a state/locality with some courage to set a standard for the rest to follow decides that criminal free fire zones are hurting their law abiding citizens more than helping them. When criminals realize "hey, there may be someone in there that can shoot back", then they'll go look for the nearest blue shithole to target practice.
That's what I want to see, DUmbass, and it won't have to involve assault rifles.
Sekhmets Daughter (2,112 posts)
17. Because what every parent
wants for their children is for them to have a teacher capable of killing another human being...<<sigh>>
Better than having to plant them in the ground, stupid. I would much rather children see a weapon carried and used in the right fashion than watch blood soaked liberal fantasies in the movie theaters.
Warpy (66,112 posts)
15.
Slowing the shooter down by reducing the number of rounds per minute and the size of the clips would give people more time to act, either by tackling him, smacking him over the head with a heavy object, or any other means.
Uh, no. You must still be using the stash of pharmaceuticals you swiped from your last job, DUmmie, because that's one of the stupidest things I have read from you cretins in a while.
Making laws that reduce the size of "clips" ( :lmao: ) does nothing to a criminal who has no regard for the ****ing law to begin with. The elementary school that boy shot up was a "gun free zone", how'd that particular law work out, opiate freak?
Slowing these squirrels down might just be the best we can do at this point.
Slowing them down to dead stop is the preferred course of action, DUmbass. A trained, law abiding citizen could do that. Unless they've been disarmed by the cowardly liberals first, that is.
I want to share something with you lurking fart sniffers. Just this past weekend, someone asked me just how it is we can really keep the crazies from getting guns. I told this person that I didn't understand what the Hell they were talking about since the ritalin chewer who shot up the school had to steal the guns he used. I had to explain to this individual that the background checks work pretty damned well since Mr Lanza was denied a purchase of a firearm. Enforcement of existing laws would go a lot further than trying to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families.
When I disabused this person of that bit of ignorance, she asked me "well then, what do we do to keep them from hurting innocent people". This one is relatively easy to answer. First of all, you harden a target. A show of force will do more to deter an attack than having to jerk a weapon and pull the trigger. Those who would shoot up a mall or an elementary school are unbalanced cowards to begin with since they think they don't have anyone who will shoot back. If that doesn't work and the criminal is bent on killing, then you keep these sons of obinga from killing with one 165 grain hollow point round at a time. Anyone who is stupid enough to come after a person holding a gun needs to assume room temperature with a quickness.
We have to live with the results of decades of your philosophies, DUmmies. Until we can restore some kind of normalcy to society, we have to be on guard against the refuse you have spawned.
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Sekhmets Daughter (2,112 posts)
17. Because what every parent
wants for their children is for them to have a teacher capable of killing another human being...<<sigh>>
Remember all the hyperventilating DUmpmonkeys when airline pilots were given the right to carry firearms in the cockpit?
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I can't believe they are that stupid. Are they really that stupid or are they just screwing with us? :???:
They are that stupid. Useful idiots doesn't begin to cover the level of ignorance they have. They will force oters to give up their freedoms to feel safe in their homes and it doesn't matter who gets harmed in the end so long as it is not them.
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Sekhmets Daughter (2,112 posts)
17. Because what every parent
wants for their children is for them to have a teacher capable of killing another human being...<<sigh>>
So it was better that 20 kids died rather than a teacher taking the jackass out?
God, please let this kind of stupidity be fatal.
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Sekhmets Daughter (2,112 posts)
17. Because what every parent
wants for their children is for them to have a teacher capable of killing another human being...<<sigh>>
I do. If my daughter has responsible CCW permit holding teacher's, I wouldn't mind if they were armed in the daycare/schools. Actually, I prefer if they were. Of course only if the teacher felt comfortable doing so.
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On another site I frequent, the owner made a case for teachers being trained by LEO trainers (at the LEA expense) to better help handle this kind of tragedy.
A couple of gun shops in San Antonio with CHL instructors have agreed to give teachers, faculty, and staff free classes fr their CHL.
So far, around 400 teachers have signed up.
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They are that stupid. Useful idiots doesn't begin to cover the level of ignorance they have. They will force oters to give up their freedoms to feel safe in their homes and it doesn't matter who gets harmed in the end so long as it is not them.
Of course me and the old lady have been discussing a lot of politics since the election. This is one point that we have discussed that goes along with your statement. They will be the ones hurt in the end they are just to stupid to realize it. Every time they want religious freedom suppressed, every time they want less competitiveness in school, every time they want stricter gun laws, every time they want something for free they lose freedom too. They are just to ignorant to realize all the freedoms we have that they despise protect them too and they even enjoy most of them on a daily basis.
My fear is we will get to a point in this country where it is to late to go back, although I hope not, or their may be bloodshed. These idiots will be crying because they can't surf the webpages they want to, go to the what every crazy religion they want to, send their kids to the school they want to, listen to the talk show host they want to, and so on. We will be the ones armed, and I mean psychologically and physically, they will be the ones begging for our help. Of course I hope it never comes to any of this, but it's not looking good so far.
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Warpy (66,112 posts)
15. Shootouts in a densely packed group of panicky people
are not going to end well and will result in a higher body count.
Urban area? That's a win-win.
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Warpy (66,112 posts)
15. Shootouts in a densely packed group of panicky people
are not going to end well and will result in a higher body count.
Slowing the shooter down by reducing the number of rounds per minute and the size of the clips would give people more time to act, either by tackling him, smacking him over the head with a heavy object, or any other means. .
Uh, no. You must still be using the stash of pharmaceuticals you swiped from your last job, DUmmie, because that's one of the stupidest things I have read from you cretins in a while.
Making laws that reduce the size of "clips" ( :lmao: ) does nothing to a criminal who has no regard for the ****ing law to begin with. The elementary school that boy shot up was a "gun free zone", how'd that particular law work out, opiate freak?
Slowing them down to dead stop is the preferred course of action, DUmbass. A trained, law abiding citizen could do that. Unless they've been disarmed by the cowardly liberals first, that is.
Exactly. What kind of moron seriously thinks this: "tackling him, smacking him over the head with a heavy object" would work better than pulling a gun!! :mental: :mental: :mental: How do these people manage to breathe without assistance? :???:
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Exactly. What kind of moron seriously thinks this: "tackling him, smacking him over the head with a heavy object" would work better than pulling a gun!!
If what i have read is correct, the staff that tried to stop Adam Lanza did just that since they were unarmed in their gun free zone. It slowed him down, long enough to shoot them, but did not stop him.
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I can't believe they are that stupid. Are they really that stupid or are they just screwing with us? :???:
Yes.
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Sekhmets Daughter (2,112 posts)
17. Because what every parent
wants for their children is for them to have a teacher capable of killing another human being...<<sigh>>
That would be fine with me, at least they wouldn't grow up expecting to breathe unicorn farts and live on government largesse. In fact it would be fine with me if an honorable discharge from military service was a mandatory prerequisite for a teaching certificate.
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To answer the primitives question, yes, I'll pit my training and operational experience against a deranged active shooter.
I may not come out of it in one piece, but the other individual won't survive the encounter either.
That's my thoughts exactly. I might not make it out, but I'll make sure they are stopped.
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NNguyenMD (1,163 posts)
Do CCL folks seriously believe their handgun...
with maybe 1 or 2 clips can take a nut case experienced in handling an AR-15 with a bunch of high capacity clips.
I can see that gun fight ending real soon.
They might be able to hold off a homicidal gunman ong enough so that THEY can get away. But its not like they're all highly trained snipers who can hit anything while getting shot at and a bunch of people running for their lives.l
Then the next thing you'll hear is the gun lobby advocating carrying assaults weapons in public sanctuaries! And then the arms race will just keep escalating.
Here is the problem...YOU A** wipe. You may be correct that the the fight may end pretty soon and I would stand little chance ...BUT....If I do not have a gun.IT WILL END SOONER AND I STAND LESS CHANCE OF SURVIVAL
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Actually, I'm a bit more reassured that nothing will come of all this hysterical hyperbole...0bama put Uncle Joe in charge.
Cindie
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Actually, I'm a bit more reassured that nothing will come of all this hysterical hyperbole...0bama put Uncle Joe in charge.
Cindie
When the dems take back congress in 14 then we should start worrying.
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I would be in favor of this;
Schools show interest in Texas policy allowing teachers to carry guns
http://kdvr.com/2012/12/18/texas-school-allows-teachers-to-carry-guns/
Teachers who carry must also undergo extra training and can only use frangible bullets that prevent ricochet.
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Actually, I'm a bit more reassured that nothing will come of all this hysterical hyperbole...0bama put Uncle Joe in charge.
Cindie
He'd **** up a wet dream. ::) :whatever:
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Sekhmets Daughter (2,112 posts)
17. Because what every parent
wants for their children is for them to have a teacher capable of killing another human being...<<sigh>>
Almost everybody is capable of killing another human being under the right circumstances. I would much prefer that a teacher be capable of defending the children under his or her care if the situation required it than not.
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To answer the original question...yes.
As for this...
One. But you always double tap to make sure.
I have always believed in (but fortunately never had to use) a "hearts and minds" approach.
Two in the heart, one in the mind.
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RUR_ROH!
Man Attempts to Open Fire on Crowd at Movie Theater, Armed Off-Duty Sergeant Drops Him
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/man-attempts-to-open-fire-on-crowd-at-movie-theater-armed-off-duty-sheriffs-deputy-drops-him-with-one-bullet/
Just goes to show a moron er ah DUmpmonkey how a NOT GUN FREE ZONE and an armed person can stop carnage from unstable people.