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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on December 15, 2012, 03:11:25 PM
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This is not any advocacy of a new policy; no way.
And no, no primitive currently here is under any threat of banning, because no primitive here has come even close to violating any of the rules. As long as the rules are followed, no sweat, and they've been followed.
This poll is simply for discussion.
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I voted YES. Why not? There are great mods, post count restrictions, blocked access to certain rooms and members that will rip phoneys and trolls to shreds. Right?
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I voted YES. Why not? There are great mods, post count restrictions, blocked access to certain rooms and members that will rip phoneys and trolls to shreds. Right?
Well, yes, SGT Snuggle Bunny and Freeper are great moderators, the best in the field. Admirable.
And true, there's certain forums that are closed excepting to bona fide decent and civilized people.
And right, members here do a pretty good job of handling trolls on their own, without adminstrative and moderative involvement.
However, I'm sure there's another side to the coin.
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I voted yes, we need chew toys for good dental health.
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I'm kind of ambivalent about it. I don't see burning the effort to actively keep them out, in the manner DU does with its opposition and for which it receives so much well-deserved mockery. Yet I also find Liberals annoying assholes with opinions based on emotion rather than analysis, and a danger to liberty and freedom due to their sheer inability to ever discuss issues in terms that don't circle back to "I'm compassionate and you're just mean."
I don't mind if they join and participate in a civil, rule-abiding fashion, but I see no reason to actually encourage them either.
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I'm kind of ambivalent about it. I don't see burning the effort to actively keep them out, in the manner DU does with its opposition and for which it receives so much well-deserved mockery. Yet I also find Liberals annoying assholes with opinions based on emotion rather than analysis, and a danger to liberty and freedom due to their sheer inability to ever discuss issues in terms that don't circle back to "I'm compassionate and you're just mean."
I don't mind if they join and participate in a civil, rule-abiding fashion, but I see no reason to actually encourage them either.
Right, and one wonders how much they actually contribute, given that decent and civilized people use logic and reasoning and common sense in discussion, while primitives use "feelings."
The chasm seems unbridgeable; there doesn't seem any common ground at all.
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I voted yes, we need chew toys for good dental health.
Well, it depends.
Trolls are good chew toys.
But primitives making an honest effort--as honest as they're capable of, which isn't much--are a different issue here, and they're the ones I'm wondering about.
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If there was a "don't care one way of the other" I would've picked that one.
Cindie
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A conservative echo chamber is not something I am interested in.
Poop and scoot is an acceptable hazard, the mods do a good job of dealing with that. If you don't care to engage with the primitives just ignore them.
I don't think it is healthy to emulate DUmies in any way.
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If there was a "don't care one way of the other" I would've picked that one.
Well, my dismayment is that we seem to have some members who are a little over the top when it comes to emulating Pollyanna, actually believing if we're nice to primitives, the primitives will be nice back.
Maybe that's possible, but in all my own eleven years of watching the primitives, I've never once seen it happen.
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A conservative echo chamber is not something I am interested in.
Uh, I hardly think conservativecave is an "echo chamber."
We have all sorts of ideological fisticuffs going on here, unlike Skins's island.
There are members--really, I kid you not--who don't care for franksolich because I'm Republican first, conservative second, and that's resulted in some near-violence, almost.
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I share DAT's ambivalence. Do I WANT primitives here? No.
Do I care if they show up, as long as they play nicely? No.
There's always a chance of improvement when talking to decent and civilized people. I can hold out hope that maybe a visitor or lurker may proudly wear the moniker "former DUmmie."
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I had to go with not sure.
I don't mind if they show up and act like human beings, but a poo-flinging monkey is usually going to eventually revert to its natural state.
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I view a DUmp democrat here (or anywhere else) with the same enthusiasm I have for finding a stack of dog shit on a brand new carpet.
Less, actually. Dog shit can, I guess, be used as a type of fertilizer.
DUmp democrats serve no useful purpose beyond being objects of contempt and derision.
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No.
They're a cancer that destroys anyone and anyplace they touch.
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Is a DUmmie worse than a Paul-bot?
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We keep posting that we have the DU forum because we aren't allowed to post there. How silly would be it be then if we had the same rules as Skinner?
I loathe echo chambers. If they come and truly troll then ban them, but please don't ban them because they have a difference of opinion.
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Is a DUmmie worse than a Paul-bot?
yes.
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I voted yes, but mainly because we are better than they are.
Trolls may be fun for a while. But sometimes they linger for far too long. I would like the mods to be a bit quicker to kick them out.
Kirk and Jeanette haven't trolled at all. Fine.
It's the trolls who are deliberately low level annoyance that get me. They don't do anything outright to get banned, but they won't answer questions, hold a discussion, or participate outside of shouting slogans. I would like to see that type banned faster than they they currently are.
Liberal participating: Fine.
Liberal trolling: The mods need to start the clock ticking. There is no reason why a troll should be able to start fights all across the board, and utterly disrupt the cave.
For DU. A mole is different from a troll. I'm there not to disrupt you, but to see your true intentions. I'm more interested in mining quotes than disrupting DU.
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Is a DUmmie worse than a Paul-bot?
No. DUmmies are obvious. they troll.
But.
Paulbots are intolerant of any opinion other than their own. Paulbots have been far more disruptive here than DUers.
Paulbots should have very short leashes.
It's a good thing I am not a mod or admin. I would Ban a Paulbot the moment he ID'd himself.
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If DUmmies register here, and if there are people who actually want to converse with them, save their souls, show them the light, display ever so much compassion, whatever, then there should be a way to quarantine them from the general population of decent and civilized people.
Their filth should not be smeared all over the DUmpster.
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We keep posting that we have the DU forum because we aren't allowed to post there. How silly would be it be then if we had the same rules as Skinner?
I loathe echo chambers. If they come and truly troll then ban them, but please don't ban them because they have a difference of opinion.
Don't sweat, madam.
There's not going to be any policy change; as long as a primitive doesn't break any rules, the primitive's safe.
This is just an issue I tossed out here because I've been getting messages from long-time blue-chip members (a category in which you're included, of course) who are uncomfortable with having them here.
It's for discussion only; there's not going to be any changes.
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It isn't like our positions are somehow untenable. As long as thye obey the rules, I see no reason they shouldn't. Maybe we can get a few of them to former DUmmie status.
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It isn't like our positions are somehow untenable. As long as thye obey the rules, I see no reason they shouldn't. Maybe we can get a few of them to former DUmmie status.
I doubt that'll ever happen. The primitives have brain-cells that are fossilized, petrified, set in granite.
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If DUmmies register here, and if there are people who actually want to converse with them, save their souls, show them the light, display ever so much compassion, whatever, then there should be a way to quarantine them from the general population of decent and civilized people.
Their filth should not be smeared all over the DUmpster.
Mind Numbing Stupidity has worked well so far.
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Mind Numbing Stupidity has worked well so far.
Oh Lordy, does that drive them nuts when I move their threads from other forums to there.
Oligarchy
Probationary (Probie)
why has my thread been moved
« Sent to: franksolich on: December 06, 2012, 06:24:14 am »
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Republicans were the only group in the world to reject Disability Treaty, every news source will verify this. So why was my thread moved to a stupidity section?
franksolich
Scourge of the Primitives
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Re: why has my thread been moved
« Sent to: Oligarchy on: December 06, 2012, 06:27:19 am » Quote Reply Remove
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Because it speaks for itself, where it belongs.
<<likes to keep an orderly house, with things in their place, where they belong.
Oligarchy
Probationary (Probie)
Re: why has my thread been moved
« Sent to: franksolich on: December 06, 2012, 07:36:29 pm »
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I noticed you have a signiture pic which says you want a primitive for Christmas?
Are you referring to owning someone of darker complexion as a slave? Cause, if so, then that is quite despicable and should be repudiated immediately.
franksolich
Scourge of the Primitives
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Re: why has my thread been moved
« Sent to: Oligarchy on: December 07, 2012, 06:42:28 am » Quote Reply Remove
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No, that's not to what I'm referring, but anyway, do you happen to be doing anything for Christmas?
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I'm with DAT with this even though I voted no. None have shown the ability to have a decent discussion before when they have come here or to the old home. If they come here that is their choice. How they behave is the same and they are sadly lacking in both manners and intellegence
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Frank. That is a keeper.
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Frank. That is a keeper.
He never did respond to my second response.
In fact, he hasn't shown up here since.
One wonders what's up with that; we're nice people here.
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I'm with DAT with this even though I voted no. None have shown the ability to have a decent discussion before when they have come here or to the old home. If they come here that is their choice. How they behave is the same and they are sadly lacking in both manners and intellegence
I'm feeling the same way as you, DAT, and Splashdown. I'm voting 'not sure.'
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Mind Numbing Stupidity has worked well so far.
Excellent. The most obvious and logical solution.
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Yes if they actually want to engage in conversation, if just trolling? no.
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Is there a way to limit obvious trolls like Sam Dodd to only one forum like Mind Numbing Stupidity?
If they could read the forum but only post on MNS, that might send a message. The only way out would be to hold a serious conversation. Not that that would ever happen.
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Is there a way to limit obvious trolls like Sam Dodd to only one forum like Mind Numbing Stupidity?
If they could read the forum but only post on MNS, that might send a message. The only way out would be to hold a serious conversation. Not that that would ever happen.
But this isn't about trolls; the members here do a good job, a great job, of despatching trolls.
This is about primitives who come here and follow the rules.
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I don't see why it's all that big of a deal if they were to come here as if they needed to be banned or such the mods here are very good.
The worst thing this forum could be is like DU, where anyone with differing opinions gets banned. I mean we all know what happens to someone if you claim you're conservative over there. I mean my opinions are vastly different from many others here yet I'm still here.
I think it's good to have a mixture of people and while a lot of Du'ers might not contribute anything useful (should they sign up), one can hope someday one of them will.
As long as they're within the rules I don't see a huge problem.
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Ronbots go to MNS without delay. They can participate, but the appropriate forum for their threads is Mind Numbing Stupidity.
DUmmies are even worse than ronbots.
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I don't see why it's all that big of a deal if they were to come here as if they needed to be banned or such the mods here are very good.
The worst thing this forum could be is like DU, where anyone with differing opinions gets banned. I mean we all know what happens to someone if you claim you're conservative over there. I mean my opinions are vastly different from many others here yet I'm still here.
I think it's good to have a mixture of people and while a lot of Du'ers might not contribute anything useful (should they sign up), one can hope someday one of them will. [franksolich: :rotf: ]
As long as they're within the rules I don't see a huge problem.
It's not even a minuscule problem if a primitive follows the rules, not at all.
But they put some on edge--including myself--because being primitives, sooner or later they're likely to freak on us, making a mess of the DUmpster.
Primitives are like bananas--they go bad real quick.
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Ronbots go to MNS without delay. They can participate, but the appropriate forum for their threads is Mind Numbing Stupidity.
DUmmies are even worse than ronbots.
That's a toss up.
I have no tolerance for either of them.
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I voted yes. They make good chew toys....
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I don't see why it's all that big of a deal if they were to come here as if they needed to be banned or such the mods here are very good.
The worst thing this forum could be is like DU, where anyone with differing opinions gets banned. I mean we all know what happens to someone if you claim you're conservative over there. I mean my opinions are vastly different from many others here yet I'm still here.
I think it's good to have a mixture of people and while a lot of Du'ers might not contribute anything useful (should they sign up), one can hope someday one of them will.
As long as they're within the rules I don't see a huge problem.
I agree.
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As long as there are no repercussions for us that may address any asshattery with expletive-laden responses, I say sure.
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I voted yes. I don't see where it's been a problem, but I'm not here every day. What I have seen is the Mods quickly swooping in and taking care of any trouble. The Trolls are tiresome, but a Troll is not necessarily a Primitive.
I'm not out to change anyone's mind. They can learn or not, mature or not, see reality or not; it's up to them. Maybe I've just learned to tolerate them since I'm surrounded by liberal family members. I don't try to change them and they know they aren't going to change me.
I hope this wasn't prompted by my welcome to CC to LVL. It was an automatic greeting followed by a statement about some Primitives up for DOTY. There was no secret agenda or yearning for understanding involved.
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I hope this wasn't prompted by my welcome to CC to LVL. It was an automatic greeting followed by a statement about some Primitives up for DOTY. There was no secret agenda or yearning for understanding involved.
No, it wasn't.
This poll was prompted by some long-time members who for various reasons are uncomfortable having primitives here. Myself, having moles on Skins's island, have felt the same discomfort.
It's just for discussion only, I guess, a "heads up" to those who aren't aware.
There's no contemplated change in policy; as long as a primitive follows the rules, and they all appear to be following the rules, there's no plans to ban them. They can breathe easily.
Although primitives, like bananas, can turn bad rather quickly.
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He never did respond to my second response.
In fact, he hasn't shown up here since.
One wonders what's up with that; we're nice people here.
He was just trying to pick a fight with you, frank, "get your goat" as it were, and see if you would react the way they claim all us knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, NASCAR loving, FOX News watching, gun owning, conservative rethuglicans would react.
You "disappointed" him, frank. GOOD WORK! :II:
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I voted yes. If they follow the rules and remain civil, then why not? I doubt they would stay long very anyway. Dummies tend not to stick around when their preconceived notions are challenged.
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It's Christmas, frank, and thus a joyous occasion. Since God is merciful to all, even idiots like most Dummies, we can follow His example and extend a welcome to they who are stumbling around in the darkness that is liberalism. Maybe there is hope for a few of them.
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Bring 'em. They never last long anyway. They are completely incapable of rational debate outside of their echo chamber. Having them here will only serve to highlight the irrationality of their babbling.