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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on November 13, 2012, 05:30:05 PM
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leftstreet (20,963 posts)
Let RICH PEOPLE fall off the 'FISCAL CLIFF'
And seize their goddamed assets as they're going over
Our labor CREATES their wealth while they sit on their asses and do nothing but rob us blind
Institute a WPA style Jobs Program NOW
Raise wages NOW
Start Medicare For All NOW
Problems solved
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021809438
That is a brilliant idea. What could possibly go wrong?
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KansDem (23,361 posts)
2. You'll get no argument out of me...
Why are the sacrifices made by the middle and working classes?
It's time for the wealthy to pony up. "Trickle down" was supposed to give more money back to the rich so they could "re-invest" in America, bolstering the economy while creating jobs. They didn't do it. They invested in jobs overseas and hid their new-found swag in secret, off-shore tax havens.
Same with the Bush tax cuts.
The rich didn't live up to their part ot the bargain. It's time for them to pay back what they took.
It's so simple you'd think the GOPers would understand...
Yeah I'm so sick of those rich bastards stealing from me every day. They pull up in their limos, knock on my door and hold a gun to my head until I pay up. :whatever:
What bargain is the DUmmy speaking of? The rich already pay most of the taxes collected. What have the DUmmies done to deserve getting a damn thing from anyone?
The more I think of it the more I think that the most dangerous of all 10 commandments to break is thou shalt not covet. When one covets they will steal, they will murder, they will commit adultery, and break all the other commandments all because they covet what someone else has.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021809438
That is a brilliant idea. What could possibly go wrong?
:rotf:
That's hysterical.... :rofl:
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Let RICH PEOPLE fall off the 'FISCAL CLIFF'
If rich people fall it'll have a trickle down effect, and guess who really gets screwed?
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If rich people fall it'll have a trickle down effect, and guess who really gets screwed?
Well, I'd kind of like the sparkling old dude, Atman, the Bostonian Drunkard, the kpete primitive, et al., to fall, though.
I can suffer a little bit of pain, seeing that.
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Well, I'd kind of like the sparkliing old dude, Atman, the Bostonian Drunkard, the kpete primitive, et al., to fall, though.
I can suffer a little bit of pain, seeing that.
I hate to say it, but maybe we do need to fall economically so that people will see the stupidity of their vote.
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That sounds like a sure plan for job growth. :mental:
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I hate to say it, but maybe we do need to fall economically so that people will see the stupidity of their vote.
This is sorta where I am at but damn...this is gonna hurt real bad.
Kerry at defense, Rice at state (or however that cluster works out, the intent does not look good), Holder still at justice.
The supreme court going the way of the 9th circus, Chu still in charge of energy.
Man, this is going to hurt.
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I hate to say it, but maybe we do need to fall economically so that people will see the stupidity of their vote.
Four years ago, as a producer, the government gave me the rule of law. For that it was important to keep the government in place. I feared the Cloward-Piven as it would have hurt me and producers in general if the government were to fail. This is no longer the case. When the government fails the looters and moochers will be hardest hit. Therefore, I am for the government burning and the sooner it burns the sooner common sense and sanity can take back over. If it doesn't the moochers and looters lose even more. It is a net plus for producers to let the system fail. I am going to play the game this way from now on.
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Well the facebook page 'Socialism Sucks' sure picked an apt time to post this considering the blood thirsty shit for brains green-eyed assholes over there...read on if you dare dumbasses--sure see lot's of similarities in here--have a little integrity to have some introspection and look for yourselves in this:
Want Socialism ?
Before Joseph Stalin, there was:
Vladimir Lenin !
“He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.â€
-Vladimir Lenin
The Russian Kulaks were a class of farmers who owned their own land.
These peasants owned larger farms and were financially able to employ labor.
They we’re considered the “rich†landowners and class enemies of the poorer peasants.
According to Lenin and Socialist theory , this was now to become:
unacceptable.
Lenin attempted to forcefully confiscate grain from the Kulaks.
This Socialist, forceful requisitioning of grain, caused a Kulak revolt in the Kuchkino Volost of Penza Uyezd on 5 August 1918.
This soon spread to Kulaks and (surprise) also peasants in neighboring regions.
Vladimir Lenin described the Kulaks as:
"bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers.
(Sounds like Obama, and the leftists, talking about making “Wealthy Americans“ pay their “fair share)
Socialist collectivization has obvious inefficiencies, now by attacking the Kulaks farms and products, widespread famine began throughout Russia.
Lenin knew a scapegoat had to be found.
(Attack the rich)
So, Lenin declared:
"Merciless war against the Kulaks! Death to them!!!â€
We'll ask the man, where do you stand on the question of the revolution?
Are you for it or against it?
If he's against it, we'll stand him up against a wall.â€
Lenin's, so-called, "Hanging Order" came on one telegram (dated 11 August 1918)
It read:
"Comrades!
The insurrection of five Kulak districts should be pitilessly suppressed. The interests of the whole revolution require this because 'the last decisive battle' with the Kulaks is now under way everywhere.
An example must be demonstrated.
1. Hang (and make sure that the hanging takes place in full view of the people) no fewer than one hundred known landlords, rich men, bloodsuckers.
2. Publish their names.
3. Seize all their grain from them.
4. Designate hostages in accordance with yesterday's telegram.
This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out:
let's choke and strangle those blood-sucking Kulaks.
Telegraph us acknowledging receipt and execution of this.
Yours, Lenin
P.S. Use your toughest people for this.â€
Millions died.
After Lenin’s death , came Stalin.
The Socialist policies continued and supply problems became even more endemic.
Policies were even more rigidly enforced, with a brutality of horrific proportions,
Murdering the Kulaks became known as:
"Dekulakization".
On 27 December, 1929 Stalin declared:
"liquidation of the kulaks as class".
A campaign against the Kulaks was begun that amounted to wholesale slaughter.
Some Kulaks were transported to Siberia and dumped off in the middle of nowhere, without food, supplies, or resources of any kind.
People were forced to work their little farms but not allowed to keep any of the their own food -not even for their own sustenance.
The famine grew so intense that little children were being kidnapped and eaten;
For food !
Literally millions of Kulaks died.
The exact number is not known, but estimates range from 4 to 8,000,000.
But, it wasn’t over yet.
Soon, the Ukraine would feel Stalins technique of starvation ,murder and torture know as: The Holodomor Ukrainian Famine Genocide of 1932-33.
(see the last post on Socialism Sucks!)
Once dispossessed,
the Kulaks no longer existed, except as an excuse to be used by the communist regime to attack the peasant class whenever it seemed convenient.
Many ordinary people classified as "Kulaks" were shocked to find out that this accusation had been falsely laid upon them!
They, and others,
were to suffer or die for it.
You see, It always starts out as class warfare against the business owners and wealthy,
But ends up attacking all innocent citizens!
Beware of this ideology !
This is over and over again the true face of Socialism/Communism.
“Know the Historyâ€
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Socialism-Sucks/373757305985421
BTW, dumbasses, let me help you out with your role in this. See, Lenin and all realized that your class of people(and that transcends $ and it more a matter of your own lack of higher ordered behavior and intelligence) meant they knew they could manipulate people like you. The goal you see was to get enough of you to take out enough of the people who actually would fight back so they are left with slaves like yourselves to work on the communist plantation. They knew all it took was to rope up a few of your enemies and then friends to silence you all into submission and your last best hope--those people you despised who actually had the balls--are all gone. And seeing as we know you are unwilling to even put food on the table; we also know you are unwilling to defend yourselves against an enemy. A good indication of this is your behavior towards radical Islam and the terrorism that ensues. You roll over like a bunch of lapdogs looking to have their stomach rubbed. Grow the **** up already before you end up sending this great country into the hell hole the USSR was. You fools never seem to get you write your own demise with this stupity and you may live but you'll live wishing for the days of yore when you actually had to only think about how to scam that working class you hate for an iphone instead of how you can cook a pot of dirt and grass to make a stew for dinner. ****ing stupid morons. I'm so sick of it. It's so apparent they are not far away from what I just posted. I would think it was an extreme position before, but not anymore. Conservatives, we can't become the kulaks.
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I hate to say it, but maybe we do need to fall economically so that people will see the stupidity of their vote.
But they won't, just like with communist countries they are easily led to find another boogieman to blame. The rich people will be blamed for daring to not be invincible.
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But they won't, just like with communist countries they are easily led to find another boogieman to blame. The rich people will be blamed for daring to not be invincible.
Do you think, if given the choice via a fair vote, Cubans and North Koreans would continue to vote for the status quo? or Capitalism? I say if people are miserable enough, and they realize Government will only give them so much, and if they want to continue using iphones and wearing the newest cool sneakers? they'll choose our way of thinking.
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BTW is it any wonder that Russia still sits in ruins even after the wall fell when they long ago took out their best, brightest and most spirited among them? And this is what the dummies want eh? Fine, but like others have said, let's call you on the carpet about your whole 'peace' thing. We would like to peacefully leave your country to form the Constitutional Republic we remember--no loss of life, no blood spilled, and fair compensation on both sides to those who are land or home owners for them to move from the acquiring country. So dummies, put your money where your mouth is regarding 'peace'. Let those who wish to go, go and let us be to leave the thriving and peaceful lives we want. If you were to do that, we would not begrudge you staying under the system it is that you want.
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Do you think, if given the choice via a fair vote, Cubans and North Koreans would continue to vote for the status quo? or Capitalism? I say if people are miserable enough, and they realize Government will only give them so much, and if they want to continue using iphones and wearing the newest cool sneakers? they'll choose our way of thinking.
Think of it this way; the best and brightest and strongest either leave or die trying. You are left with dummies basically. The same people who kiss the soles of the shoes of radical Muslims. Those people will never do the right thing. I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average Obama voter too. They have ZERO sense of long term consequences. Their hurt and realization inevitably always comes too late and even when they know the problem they still are stuck in primitive way of thinking. I look around me at how these countries became what they did and what I know is you can never underestimate the stupidity or the jealousy of your fellow human beings. We are being naive if we think that can't happen to us too.
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That's just it--people have yet to realize that their "free shit" ain't gonna be a top-shelf cradle to grave gimme system of champagne and caviar, but more like shitty toys you find at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box, but at a cost far in excess of what it would have cost them to simply go out and WORK for it on their own.
C'est dommage. Let me know when the move date is going to be to Galt's Gulch. I don't want to be on the wrong side of the bridge when it blows.
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Think of it this way; the best and brightest and strongest either leave or die trying. You are left with dummies basically. The same people who kiss the soles of the shoes of radical Muslims. Those people will never do the right thing. I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average Obama voter too. They have ZERO sense of long term consequences. Their hurt and realization inevitably always comes too late and even when they know the problem they still are stuck in primitive way of thinking. I look around me at how these countries became what they did and what I know is you can never underestimate the stupidity or the jealousy of your fellow human beings. We are being naive if we think that can't happen to us too.
They sure aren't paying attention to what's happening in Europe. At least Europe is trying austerity to get their debt under control. If the safety net disappears all hell will break out.
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More bad news for the primitives. Falling over the fiscal cliff will not happen. There's no way either side wants to dump all the babies out with the bath water, least of all the Dems.
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eftstreet (20,963 posts)
Let RICH PEOPLE fall off the 'FISCAL CLIFF'
And seize their goddamed assets as they're going over
Our labor CREATES their wealth while they sit on their asses and do nothing but rob us blind
Institute a WPA style Jobs Program NOW
Raise wages NOW
Start Medicare For All NOW
Problems solved
Whose labor? Your labor? So you think (1) that bitching on a message board full of lunatic left-wing anti-American racists is labor and (2) that it brings someone other than $kinner money?
You must desire to give the clown that smells bad company as an internet laughing stock.
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What the DUmmies have never, will never, realize is that the "rich" usually got there through risking THEIR capital and building it on THEIR backs.
Show me a lazy rich person, I'll show you a person who was not a self-made "rich" person, and one who likely won't STAY rich.
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What the DUmmies have never, will never, realize is that the "rich" usually got there through risking THEIR capital and building it on THEIR backs.
Show me a lazy rich person, I'll show you a person who was not a self-made "rich" person, and one who likely won't STAY rich.
What amazes me is their apparent opinion of CEOs. It seems that they think CEOs are just lounging around enjoying life with not a care in the world. Kind of like their president. As the owner of a very, very small business I spend 30 hours a day working or worrying about work/business issues. I can't even imagine what it's like to be over a Fortune 500 company.
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What amazes me is their apparent opinion of CEOs. It seems that they think CEOs are just lounging around enjoying life with not a care in the world. Kind of like their president. As the owner of a very, very small business I spend 30 hours a day working or worrying about work/business issues. I can't even imagine what it's like to be over a Fortune 500 company.
They have a cartoon view of the world. They think that all rich folks are the guy in the Monopoly game, sitting in big comfy chairs lighting cigars with $500 bills.
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eftstreet (20,963 posts)
Let RICH PEOPLE fall off the 'FISCAL CLIFF'
And seize their goddamed assets as they're going over
Our labor CREATES their wealth while they sit on their asses and do nothing but rob us blind
Institute a WPA style Jobs Program NOW
Raise wages NOW
Start Medicare For All NOW
Problems solved
Yes dummie you are correct to a point. My labor creates wealth for the bossman. It also creates wealth for me. Know why? Because I am damned productive. I bring in far more than he spends on my labor. Know something else dummies? I like the arrangement I have with the boss. He leaves me alone, I make him money, he pays me quite well for that.
Sounds good to me.
Now if I get the ass and decide I ain't getting compensated fairly, I can go to his competitor. Know what the boss would do? He would move heaven and earth to keep me as long as it's reasonable. See we got an unwritten agreement. I make the boss money, he takes care of me. He quits doing that, I'm gone. Then he don't make money. So it is in his best interest to keep me happy. Now let's look at you dummies. You view your jobs as just that... jobs. You do just enough to keep yourself employed. And when times are tough, you are the first to be let go. Simple fact.
Guess what is gonna happen in the next four years? Yep... you marginal employees are gonna go to the unemployment line. You wanted it. You voted for. You got it and NOW YOU OWN IT!!!!!
I have no sympathy. Suck it and die dummies. You are gonna become slaves, like the blacks, and you don't even know it. Sooner or later the free ride is gonna end. Then you will be ill prepared to deal with it. Then you are gonna riot. Then you are gonna starve if you don't get your ass shot off first. :loser:
Diesel Driver, in another thread, said it best: Hard times are survived by hard people... and you dummies don't qualify.
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Atlas won't shrug; he'll throw that bitch off a cliff and tell you DUmbasses to .....
:ownit:
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And that was metaphorically-speaking. You DUmbasses know that, right?
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Let RICH PEOPLE fall off the 'FISCAL CLIFF'
:rotf:
IF the "RICH PEOPLE fall off the 'FISCAL CLIFF'", it will be long after all the lazy DUmbasses are at the bottom of the cliff.
:rotf:
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And that was metaphorically-speaking. You DUmbasses know that, right?
I doubt they know what a metaphor is.
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For someone who's seemingly been here for years and years, Ban still has less than a thousand posts.
Yet he keeps on zinging along...
BanTheGOP (905 posts)
6. Repatriation of Wealth is the next frontier
We can't just tax income and gains taxes anymore. We have to work on exacting a wealth tax so we can assess EXISTING wealth, insomuch the same way we assess property taxes. Right now, we essentially restrict ourselves to taxing their interest. It is time to start taxing their entire worth.
This is also done in conjunction with tightening the control of money and securities so it can't readily be transferred offshore or into currency or gold/silver without federal control. This is extremely important, and we must think about doing this immediately. At the very least, California, with its legislative supermajority, should come up with the first workable solution.
I suggest a wealth tax of 15% of entire wealth per year.
That guy really has it in for California, don't he.
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Someone's been reading up on Marx I see.
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BantheGOP does an awesome job at exposing who they truly are. Is he a mole? Is he not a mole? Who knows. What's telling is the absence of people countering him.
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leftstreet (20,963 posts)
Let RICH PEOPLE fall off the 'FISCAL CLIFF'
And seize their goddamed assets as they're going over
Our labor CREATES their wealth while they sit on their asses and do nothing but rob us blind
Institute a WPA style Jobs Program NOW
Raise wages NOW
Start Medicare For All NOW
Problems solved
Welcome to Zimbabwe....
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So, a little old lady is living in her home that was purchased and paid off years ago, while she happily lives out her golden years with a modest fixed income of say, $30K. Say the house is worth $300,000 by now. Ban comes along and wants to tax her $45,000 per year. Little old lady dies homeless and frozen, huddled near a streetlamp.
Ban, why do you hate the elderly so much? Would you do the same to a disabled person? An unemployed person, like your fellow DUmmies?
He gets tossed off the island from time to time, just for going too batshit insane totalitarian. Makes democraticks look bad.
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He gets tossed off the island from time to time, just for going too batshit insane totalitarian. Makes democraticks look bad.
I don't see any of those fruitbats disagreeing with him.
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Our labor CREATES their wealth while they sit on their asses and do nothing but rob us blind
If you even work(ed). Tell me, DUmmie, if you are working for a wage, just how do "they" rob you blind? Is it because "they" don't pay you what you want, even if you do work? If you actually work, did you not agree to the wage by TAKING the job?
Damn, one election goes their way and look at the little Stalinist s flaunting their stuff for all to see.
**** you all and go to hell.
:bird:
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I hate to say it, but maybe we do need to fall economically so that people will see the stupidity of their vote.
I have a certain amount of agreement with that, but on the other hand I've been thinking about the fact that Greece, Italy, and California have been busily failing for most of my adult life, and they still haven't managed to get to the bottom, so I think the process would actually be too slow for any of them to make the connection.
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I have a certain amount of agreement with that, but on the other hand I've been thinking about the fact that Greece, Italy, and California have been busily failing for most of my adult life, and they still haven't managed to get to the bottom, so I think the process would actually be too slow for any of them to make the connection.
Italy and Greece have the EU. California has Uncle Sugar. Who do we, as a nation, have? China? Our debt to income ratio is putting us in a position where we won't be able to borrow shit. Our outgo will soon exceed our income due to interest payments. Do we print it? Trillions of dollars? Hello Wiemar. Do we cut entitlements? And I mean SEVERELY cut entitlements? We're more entitlement-minded than the Greeks I presume. Hello riots, murders, robberies, beatings, etc. from the "you owe me" crowd. Do we severely cut the military, and by severely, I mean GUT the military? Yeah, no negative consequences there.
We're ****ed.
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Look at the people we observe every day at the DUmp and all their economic "wisdom". Well, that's who's running the country right now. Oh, we have the House of Representatives? Since when has that stopped Obama? He hasn't worked with them in 4 years. I don't know why anyone thinks he'll work with them the next 4. "Working with him" means doing exactly what he wants. It is the Prog way. Logical practice has just lost out to Historically-Failed theory.
This is who we're dealing with here:
PD Turk (654 posts)
7. Better idea
Don't just let them fall off..... give 'em a shove!!
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None of these cheesedicks realize that if you take away from "the rich", pretty soon there aren't any "rich" anymore.
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None of these cheesedicks realize that if you take away from "the rich", pretty soon there aren't any "rich" anymore.
"But the Government will give us everything we need"
DUmbass mode off
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Yes dummie you are correct to a point. My labor creates wealth for the bossman. It also creates wealth for me. Know why? Because I am damned productive. I bring in far more than he spends on my labor. Know something else dummies? I like the arrangement I have with the boss. He leaves me alone, I make him money, he pays me quite well for that.
Sounds good to me.
Now if I get the ass and decide I ain't getting compensated fairly, I can go to his competitor. Know what the boss would do? He would move heaven and earth to keep me as long as it's reasonable. See we got an unwritten agreement. I make the boss money, he takes care of me. He quits doing that, I'm gone. Then he don't make money. So it is in his best interest to keep me happy. Now let's look at you dummies. You view your jobs as just that... jobs. You do just enough to keep yourself employed. And when times are tough, you are the first to be let go. Simple fact.
Guess what is gonna happen in the next four years? Yep... you marginal employees are gonna go to the unemployment line. You wanted it. You voted for. You got it and NOW YOU OWN IT!!!!!
I have no sympathy. Suck it and die dummies. You are gonna become slaves, like the blacks, and you don't even know it. Sooner or later the free ride is gonna end. Then you will be ill prepared to deal with it. Then you are gonna riot. Then you are gonna starve if you don't get your ass shot off first. :loser:
Diesel Driver, in another thread, said it best: Hard times are survived by hard people... and you dummies don't qualify.
When I gave notice at my last job, they told me that I was going to be offered a promotion at my next review (which would have been a few weeks later) and asked if there was anything they could do to make me stay. I was going back to school for a different career, so I didn't take their offer. On my last day though, my boss told me that if nursing didn't work out, or if it wasn't what I expected I should come back and she would find a job for me. That was a really amazing feeling, and I hope to make that type of impression at every job I work at.
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Italy and Greece have the EU. California has Uncle Sugar. Who do we, as a nation, have? China? Our debt to income ratio is putting us in a position where we won't be able to borrow shit. Our outgo will soon exceed our income due to interest payments. Do we print it? Trillions of dollars? Hello Wiemar. Do we cut entitlements? And I mean SEVERELY cut entitlements? We're more entitlement-minded than the Greeks I presume. Hello riots, murders, robberies, beatings, etc. from the "you owe me" crowd. Do we severely cut the military, and by severely, I mean GUT the military? Yeah, no negative consequences there.
We're ****ed.
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with the destination, I just think it'll be more of a long, slow, painful process than a quick cathartic one, kind of like what happened to England post WW2 except without the backstop of the US to stop the slide into the abyss.
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Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with the destination, I just think it'll be more of a long, slow, painful process than a quick cathartic one, kind of like what happened to England post WW2 except without the backstop of the US to stop the slide into the abyss.
Think Europe when Rome fell. All the scenarios you mentioned, Greece, Germany and Japan circa 1945, California, etc., all had a financial "support group" (EU, Marshall Plan, the U.S.). In this case, there is no support group, and if there is, there isn't one near big enough.
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DUmmies always forget history or they never learned it or they just block it out, but it was the rich who kept America from going broke early in our history.
Once, when the U.S. Treasury seemed on the edge of collapse—it didn't have enough gold in reserve to meet its bills—J. P. Morgan loaned the nation $62 million.
Who will backstop America this time, China ? yeah right.
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Italy and Greece have the EU. California has Uncle Sugar. Who do we, as a nation, have? China? Our debt to income ratio is putting us in a position where we won't be able to borrow shit. Our outgo will soon exceed our income due to interest payments. Do we print it? Trillions of dollars? Hello Wiemar. Do we cut entitlements? And I mean SEVERELY cut entitlements? We're more entitlement-minded than the Greeks I presume. Hello riots, murders, robberies, beatings, etc. from the "you owe me" crowd. Do we severely cut the military, and by severely, I mean GUT the military? Yeah, no negative consequences there.
We're ****ed.
I say cut entitlements severely. The entitlement crowd could stand to lose a little weight both literally and otherwise; the military however can not.
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I say cut entitlements severely. The entitlement crowd could stand to lose a little weight both literally and otherwise; the military however can not.
The military has suffered cut after cut since the mid 70's while the entitlement crowd has grown and grown.....yep, cut the entitlement crowd to the bone like they've done the military.
I have need of a strong military....got no need of deadbeats.
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Okay let me see if I can figure out how this works. The little DUmmie is busy making widgets. We don't know how or why or where but he's happy because he has no boss. We don't know where the materials for the widgets came from. We don't even know where the initial capital came from to buy widget making tools & materials, but that doesn't matter except we know it didn't come from the widget making DUmmie. So after laboring for years, months, days, hours...whatever a DUmmie thinks is hardship, along comes a rich person and steals all the money the DUmmie made from a widget that has no purpose?
Cindie
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When I gave notice at my last job, they told me that I was going to be offered a promotion at my next review (which would have been a few weeks later) and asked if there was anything they could do to make me stay. I was going back to school for a different career, so I didn't take their offer. On my last day though, my boss told me that if nursing didn't work out, or if it wasn't what I expected I should come back and she would find a job for me. That was a really amazing feeling, and I hope to make that type of impression at every job I work at.
Excellent. A young person like you will always find success in this country.
Just don't allow yourself to buy into the post-election doom and gloom you read on political sites like this, and you'll do great.
Be aware that the gloomers and the doomers have been around since the Revolutionary War.
They just never had a free soapbox until algore invented the internet.
DUmp democrats are the ultimate gloom-and-doomers because for deadbeats like them it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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You know, it's getting harder and harder to make a fortune robbing poor people....... :tongue: