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Dem lawyers: Fla., Mich. can't be fully restored
WASHINGTON (AP) - A Democratic Party rules committee has the authority to seat some delegates from Michigan and Florida but not fully restore the two states as Hillary Rodham Clinton wants, according to party lawyers.
Democratic National Committee rules require that the two states lose at least half of their convention delegates for holding elections too early, the party's legal experts wrote in a 38-page memo.
The memo was sent late Tuesday to the 30 members of the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee, which plans to meet Saturday at a Washington hotel. The committee is considering ways to include the two important general election battlegrounds at the nominating convention in August, and the staff analysis says seating half the delegates is "as far as it legally can" go.
Saturday's meeting is expected to draw a large crowd, with Clinton supporters among those encouraging a protest outside demanding that all the states' delegates be seated. Proponents of full reseating have mailed committee members Florida oranges and pairs of shoes to get their attention.
DNC officials are concerned about a potentially large turnout at the "Count Every Vote" rally outside the event and have asked the hotel staff to increase security to keep everyone safe. The DNC says the roughly 500 seats available to the public inside were taken within three or four minutes of becoming available online Tuesday.
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:popcorn: Free entertainment. :-)
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DNC officials are concerned about a potentially large turnout at the "Count Every Vote" rally outside the event . . .
they did this to themselves, of course. :-)
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Does this mean there'll be more turmoil and infighting? :lmao:
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Does this mean there'll be more turmoil and infighting? :lmao:
One can only hope! :-)
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Does this mean there'll be more turmoil and infighting? :lmao:
Gee, I dunno...with leaders like this....
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b293/aggie8387/dean_scream_pic.jpg)
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggg.
:fuelfire:
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Hey, Wretched Excess, sir, because there wasn't a primary yesterday, are we going to have a play-by-play thread here about the Democrat meeting on Saturday?
It would be a good idea.
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They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters. They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.
Good stuff.
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Hey, Wretched Excess, sir, because there wasn't a primary yesterday, are we going to have a play-by-play thread here about the Democrat meeting on Saturday?
It would be a good idea.
sounds like a plan. it will probably bore the rest of the board to death, but we'll enjoy it. :-)
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They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters. They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.
Good stuff.
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yeah, no matter what they do saturday, there is no way they won't come out of it unscathed.
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They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters. They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.
Good stuff.
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yeah, no matter what they do saturday, there is no way they won't come out of it unscathed.
But you can still expect a pass from the MSM and a spin to the left from Howie Dean. :whatever:
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They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters. They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.
Good stuff.
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yeah, no matter what they do saturday, there is no way they won't come out of it unscathed.
But you can still expect a pass from the MSM and a spin to the left from Howie Dean. :whatever:
florida is going to cream to high heaven if they don't get their delegation fully seated, and they have something of a point, since both candidates were on the ballot, and neither one campaigned. it at least resembled a level playing field. I don't know WHAT they are going to do in MI, though.
but right now, the obama campaign is probably realizing that they will still have the nomination safely in hand if they relent on FL and MI. that way, they appear magnanimous, and don't have 6 million pissed off florida voters to have to contend with in november.
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They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters. They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.
Good stuff.
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Maybe these clowns can dig up some more states. You know Obama been to 57 of them. The Queen is pulling out all the stops. She is toast but I would never count her out. Wellstone's & Foster's do happen. :fuelfire: :lmao: :popcorn:
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They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters. They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.
Good stuff.
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Maybe these clowns can dig up some more states. You know Obama been to 57 of them. The Queen is pulling out all the stops. She is toast but I would never count her out. Wellstone's & Foster's do happen. :fuelfire: :lmao: :popcorn:
NEVER count a clinton out. NEVER. That is like checking to see if the monster is really dead.
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They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters. They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.
Good stuff.
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yeah, no matter what they do saturday, there is no way they won't come out of it unscathed.
at this point, i dont know how either of them recovers. Hilary has said and done SO many stupid things, but yes, do not count her out yet.
and the BarackStar!! is so woefully ignorant about what the job actually entails, I just cant see the average adult in America giving him their votes. he just keeps stepping in it time after time... i think by November people will be sick of him... or her.. whoever wins.
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They'll seat half the delegates.
They should seat all and only give them half votes. That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you." LOL
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They'll seat half the delegates.
They should seat all and only give them half votes. That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you." LOL
Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. :-)
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They'll seat half the delegates.
They should seat all and only give them half votes. That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you." LOL
Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. :-)
damnit. :thatsright:
LOL. Nah, they screwed up on this. They should have only cut them half in the first place. But again, if Hillary had dropped out a month or so ago this wouldn't have been a big deal. Or if she, I dunno, raised a stink about it back in August/Sept when they laid down the punishment instead of now when it "benefits" her. *shrug*
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We're all disenfranchised down here and we want our votes counted...dammit!
:lmao:
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They'll seat half the delegates.
They should seat all and only give them half votes.
I think you're onto something. The only suggestion I would add is instead of making them half a vote, in honor of history and in representation of how liberals today continue to treat minorities, let them count as 3/5ths of a vote.
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On second thought, not counting the florida votes, may piss people off enough to cross the line into voting for an independant, John McCain. :evillaugh:
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They'll seat half the delegates.
They should seat all and only give them half votes. That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you." LOL
I hope the Dems never, ever forget who did this to them. *their* own leaders.
yay! its not us this time! :-)
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Weren't the Dems the ones bitching about counting every vote in 2000 and 2004?
What has changed their minds this year?
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They'll seat half the delegates.
They should seat all and only give them half votes. That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you." LOL
Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. :-)
damnit. :thatsright:
LOL. Nah, they screwed up on this. They should have only cut them half in the first place. But again, if Hillary had dropped out a month or so ago this wouldn't have been a big deal. Or if she, I dunno, raised a stink about it back in August/Sept when they laid down the punishment instead of now when it "benefits" her. *shrug*
there we people here *cough*cough*WEandLauri*cough*cough* that knew this would be a big deal months ago.
the threat to strip them of their delegates should have been just that, a threat. once it didn't work, there should have been an instant plan "B". but doing anything that remotely resembled "disenfranchising florida", in light of democrat rhetoric since 2000, should have set off warning lights in howard deans otherwise unlit head.
it was a LOSER of a play. he's just fortunate that (for one thing) hillary didn't hit the home run she was looking for in IN. this could actually be much, much worse that it is right now.
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They'll seat half the delegates.
They should seat all and only give them half votes. That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you." LOL
Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. :-)
damnit. :thatsright:
LOL. Nah, they screwed up on this. They should have only cut them half in the first place. But again, if Hillary had dropped out a month or so ago this wouldn't have been a big deal. Or if she, I dunno, raised a stink about it back in August/Sept when they laid down the punishment instead of now when it "benefits" her. *shrug*
there we people here *cough*cough*WEandLauri*cough*cough* that knew this would be a big deal months ago.
the threat to strip them of their delegates should have been just that, a threat. once it didn't work, there should have been an instant plan "B". but doing anything that remotely resembled "disenfranchising florida", in light of democrat rhetoric since 2000, should have set off warning lights in howard deans otherwise unlit head.
it was a LOSER of a play. he's just fortunate that (for one thing) hillary didn't hit the home run she was looking for in IN. this could actually be much, much worse that it is right now.
Agreed. I've thought that Dean screwed the pooch on this one for a few months now.
But again, back when they decided to strip them of all delegates, no one would have thought that the primary season would go on for this long. Hillary herself said it would be over by Super Tuesday.
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They'll seat half the delegates.
They should seat all and only give them half votes. That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you." LOL
Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. :-)
damnit. :thatsright:
LOL. Nah, they screwed up on this. They should have only cut them half in the first place. But again, if Hillary had dropped out a month or so ago this wouldn't have been a big deal. Or if she, I dunno, raised a stink about it back in August/Sept when they laid down the punishment instead of now when it "benefits" her. *shrug*
there we people here *cough*cough*WEandLauri*cough*cough* that knew this would be a big deal months ago.
the threat to strip them of their delegates should have been just that, a threat. once it didn't work, there should have been an instant plan "B". but doing anything that remotely resembled "disenfranchising florida", in light of democrat rhetoric since 2000, should have set off warning lights in howard deans otherwise unlit head.
it was a LOSER of a play. he's just fortunate that (for one thing) hillary didn't hit the home run she was looking for in IN. this could actually be much, much worse that it is right now.
Agreed. I've thought that Dean screwed the pooch on this one for a few months now.
But again, back when they decided to strip them of all delegates, no one would have thought that the primary season would go on for this long. Hillary herself said it would be over by Super Tuesday.
exactly. hillary lost, IMO, because she thought she would coast to the nomination, and she had no game plan after super tuesday. then she got annihiliated by the biggest thing to hit politics in about a hundred years. I think if she had run the campaign that she ran since super tuesday before super tuesday, and even made an effort in all those western and midwestern caucus states, that this would be a very different race right now.
but having said all of that, there are some things you avoid because they just send the wrong message; disenfranchising florida was the wrong thing to do irrespective of the closeness of the primary race. howard dean just screwed that up beyond recognition; he is lucky that it isn't a bigger disaster than it already is.
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exactly. hillary lost, IMO, because she thought she would coast to the nomination, and she had no game plan after super tuesday. then she got annihiliated by the biggest thing to hit politics in about a hundred years. I think if she had run the campaign that she ran since super tuesday before super tuesday, and even made an effort in all those western and midwestern caucus states, that this would be a very different race right now.
but having said all of that, there are some things you avoid because they just send the wrong message; disenfranchising florida was the wrong thing to do irrespective of the closeness of the primary race. howard dean just screwed that up beyond recognition; he is lucky that it isn't a bigger disaster than it already is.
One thing I do like about Dean's helm is the 50-state plan. Working the way up from grass roots as opposed to the DLC's way of doing things.
Hillary's campaign didn't even realize until just a few weeks before Texas that there was a primary & a caucus. :whatever:
Losing Iowa was big. She chose to do that Hill-copter :whatever: tour instead of straight to the people town halls.
Oh well, she's over and done. And I doubt there's a very nice welcoming committee for Hillary when she goes back to the Senate. LOL She needs to get back to NY and starting wooing her constituents and pray that no one comes to run against her next go around.
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exactly. hillary lost, IMO, because she thought she would coast to the nomination, and she had no game plan after super tuesday. then she got annihiliated by the biggest thing to hit politics in about a hundred years. I think if she had run the campaign that she ran since super tuesday before super tuesday, and even made an effort in all those western and midwestern caucus states, that this would be a very different race right now.
but having said all of that, there are some things you avoid because they just send the wrong message; disenfranchising florida was the wrong thing to do irrespective of the closeness of the primary race. howard dean just screwed that up beyond recognition; he is lucky that it isn't a bigger disaster than it already is.
One thing I do like about Dean's helm is the 50-state plan. Working the way up from grass roots as opposed to the DLC's way of doing things.
Hillary's campaign didn't even realize until just a few weeks before Texas that there was a primary & a caucus. :whatever:
Losing Iowa was big. She chose to do that Hill-copter :whatever: tour instead of straight to the people town halls.
Oh well, she's over and done. And I doubt there's a very nice welcoming committee for Hillary when she goes back to the Senate. LOL She needs to get back to NY and starting wooing her constituents and pray that no one comes to run against her next go around.
I think the dems would have won both houses of congress in 2006 with or without the 50 state plan; although, the individual margins of victory were almost all extremely small. a factoid I held onto from the midterms:
The Democratic victory in 2006 was narrow. They won the House by 85,961 votes out of over 80 million cast and the Senate by a mere 3,562 out of over 62 million cast.
I suppose an argument could be made that every little bit of effort that the DNC exerted helped, and in contests that close, dean's plan could have made the difference. personally, I think it was DCCC chairman rahm emmanuel.
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I suppose an argument could be made that every little bit of effort that the DNC exerted helped, and in contests that close, dean's plan could have made the difference. personally, I think it was DCCC chairman rahm emmanuel.
I think of the 50 state plan as more of a sustaining plan.
Rahm Emanuel did a good job as well.
Dean has said (I read) that if a democrat gets in the White House he's stepping aside.
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I suppose an argument could be made that every little bit of effort that the DNC exerted helped, and in contests that close, dean's plan could have made the difference. personally, I think it was DCCC chairman rahm emmanuel.
I think of the 50 state plan as more of a sustaining plan.
Rahm Emanuel did a good job as well.
Dean has said (I read) that if a democrat gets in the White House he's stepping aside.
50 state plan strikes me as common sense if you are trying to win the house and senate, but suicide if you are trying to win the white house. there is no way the democrats are going to win some states; utah, mississippi, idaho just off the top of my head, and just for example, and every dollar they spend campaigning for president in those states is wasted. and I have heard the argument about obama bringing millions of new people into the party, and that he will put states into play that have never been competitive before. I don't buy it; at least not to the extent that I hear it being sold. the "new voters" that he is bringing into the party, if they show up at the polls in novemeber, will make it hard to win crucial swing states -- ohio comes to mind -- but I I don't think even he means it when he says that he is going to be competitive in every state in the country.
I think the party chairman of the party in control of the white house serves at the pleasure of the president; I'm not sure it formally works that way, but it works that way as a practical matter. so, if obama wins in november, he will put his guy in charge at the DNC.
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I suppose an argument could be made that every little bit of effort that the DNC exerted helped, and in contests that close, dean's plan could have made the difference. personally, I think it was DCCC chairman rahm emmanuel.
I think of the 50 state plan as more of a sustaining plan.
Rahm Emanuel did a good job as well.
Dean has said (I read) that if a democrat gets in the White House he's stepping aside.
50 state plan strikes me as common sense if you are trying to win the house and senate, but suicide if you are trying to win the white house. there is no way the democrats are going to win some states; utah, mississippi, idaho just off the top of my head, and just for example, and every dollar they spend campaigning for president in those states is wasted. and I have heard the argument about obama bringing millions of new people into the party, and that he will put states into play that have never been competitive before. I don't buy it; at least not to the extent that I hear it being sold. the "new voters" that he is bringing into the party, if they show up at the polls in novemeber, will make it hard to win crucial swing states -- ohio comes to mind -- but I I don't think even he means it when he says that he is going to be competitive in every state in the country.
I think the party chairman of the party in control of the white house serves at the pleasure of the president; I'm not sure it formally works that way, but it works that way as a practical matter. so, if obama wins in november, he will put his guy in charge at the DNC.
That's what I meant for the 50 state plan, for the rep/senate seats, local/county seats. Those are important.
I think Obama can put some different states into play. Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Missouri, Ohio. Florida will go republican. I think this can be an election where the swing states of the past can get replaced with new ones.
But really, it's still far out. I think we'll have a better idea of how states are lining up around August/Septemberish.