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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 30, 2012, 01:54:02 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/11281618
Oh my.
Even though franksolich's infautation is dead, he still has a vested interest in the cbayer primitive.
I'm fascinated how two adults can possibly live in a space the size of an apartment-building dumb-waiter.
cbayer (111,873 posts) Fri Sep 28, 2012, 01:34 PM
The Joys of Simple Living: Water
A while back, I talked about doing a series on my and my husband's personal lifestyle. There was some interest shown by some members, so I thought I might start now.
For those that don't know, Starboard Tack is my husband, and I fully expect him to chime in.
I am hopeful that these threads will encourage others to share their experiences, ask questions and think about how they use resources and dispose of waste.
We live on a 43 foot sailboat. We do not have a slip and are rarely plugged into to the usual services (water, gas, electricity, curbside garbage).
I decided to start with water, because when it comes down to it, it is the most critical item.
The boat carries 150 gallons of water in two steel tanks. When we get the opportunity, we fill those tanks through a municipal supply. We were last on the mainland about 4 months ago, left with a full tank and have completely filled the tank only once since then (last week).
In between those times, we add water by filling 5-6 gallon containers, bringing them to the boat and topping off the tanks. This requires some physical work.
We also have a water maker (desalinator). It makes a little over a gallon an hour and is the source of most of our drinking water. It requires electrical power and can't be run constantly, of course, but we run it every other day or so and get a couple of gallons.
We have a salt water pump in the kitchen. This is great for rinsing and washing dishes, leaving only the final rinse for the fresh water. Soap doesn't get very "soapy" in salt water, but it works well enough for all but the worst dirty dishes.
We have an indoor and outdoor shower. Short, military type showers are the rule, and those only when needed. During this time of year, a swim in the ocean followed by a little soap and a freshwater rinse is really all we need.
The toilet flushes with salt water into a holding tank. We have a spigot on the outside that also pumps salt water if needed for a clean up on deck.
Laundry is mostly done on board with a very water efficient manual washer.
Overall, I figure we use on average less than 3 gallons a day of fresh water.
The bottom line for us is that water requires work and that makes you think about how much you are using. When people come to visit, they often reflexively turn on the tap and let her rip. Since the pump can be heard anywhere on the boat, this most often leads to me racing to wherever they are to explain why we can't do that. We have never had a guest who didn't get it right away and make changes in their usual habits.
Curmudgeoness (8,258 posts) Fri Sep 28, 2012, 08:21 PM
1. Fascinating to contemplate the difficulties just for water.
I live in a house with municipal water....all that I want whenever I want. But I still often think about how lucky I am and I am very conscious of the amount of water that I do use. This may be due to a week I spent at a mountain cabin that had no water supply. We also had to go down the road to get water, haul it up to the cabin, and realized just how much you can do with a gallon of water. First we would have a small pot for washing dishes and one for rinsing. The rinse water became the next dish washing water. The dirty dish water was used to flush the toilet when needed. I still remember this after more than 40 years.
I do not ever want to live without water coming from a faucet again, but I am still very conservative.
cbayer (111,873 posts) Fri Sep 28, 2012, 08:28 PM
2. Sounds like you learned early and well.
Seeing how far a gallon can go can be so enlightening. It's also enlightening to see how fast it can go down the drain if you just let it run.
I don't know how we make this a more universal lesson, but I wish people would pay more attention.
They certainly do in my home when I come running into the kitchen yelling "STOP!".
Thanks so much for adding your own experience, curmudgeons!
Curmudgeoness (8,258 posts) Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:16 PM
8. You are right about how fast it goes down a drain.
I made my sensitive niece cry (unintentionally) when she did dishes at my house. She left the hot water run the whole time she was washing, and I did one of those "stop it" yells. I was especially shocked that she was a southern California born and raised kid, and that is one area that should be practicing water conservation, but obviously don't even think. She is living in Arizona now, and I bet that she still remembers the lessons she learned about saving water that day.
<<always keeps the hot water running while washing dishes.
<<water-heater's set to the highest possible level, whatever that is, near-boiling or something.
<<likes to have clean sanitary dishes.
cbayer (111,873 posts) Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:21 PM
9. Lol at the yell. I have had many a guest be the recipient at that.
I try to refrain when they are in the bathroom, but I swear I start to have an anxiety attack when I hear that pump running.
Kids don't know because they have never been taught and we have an obligation to let them know. Adults are harder. I know people that take several long showers a day. I just can't fathom it. Some of them even have pools, so I really don't get it.
We have a friend who bought a new house a couple of years ago. Some pool maintenance guy told her she needed to drain the entire pool and put new water in it. He gave her some bogus reasons which evaporated after doing a little research.
The day he showed up, we happened to be there and my husband met him at the door. He left without an argument, but I am sure he was mad about losing the deal. Seems criminal to me.
Curmudgeoness (8,258 posts) Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:36 PM
11. That pool water is "stale". LOL.
What in the hell would anyone do with the water drained from a whole pool??? OMG.
The cbayer primitive's other half, who jams himself in there with her:
Starboard Tack (6,647 posts) Fri Sep 28, 2012, 09:52 PM
3. The problem with the wonderful faucet is what we do with it.
Nobody likes to haul water, but I must say there is something cathartic about it. I love to take long showers and wash the car or boat, but not every day. This map illustrates very well how we abuse our natural water resources.
http://chartsbin.com/view/1455
Note that the US and Canada both use more than 7 times the water per capita as the UK. Ironically, there are vast areas of the US suffering from severe droughts and it rains every other day in Britain. Begs the question "Why such a discrepancy?".
I think history has much to do with it. Britain, coming through two world wars, with the great depression in between and followed by several years of food rationing, was trained to be frugal across the board.
Meanwhile, in N. America, the post war period brought enormous prosperity, indoor plumbing became ubiquitous and electricity was cheap and fossil fuels were acceptable and seemingly inexhaustible.
This map shows consumption by percentage available. We use 15% of available water, yet parts of the country are in drought. This is partly due to draining huge aquifers that took millennia to fill and partly to do with redirecting river waters, but mostly due to human arrogance.
http://chartsbin.com/view/1473
Here's another link to what's going on in San Diego
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1127&pid=24858
^^well, the oblate spheroid surely isn't causing any water shortage in San Diego.
The rich bitch the kpete primitive probably does, though; palatial Streisandian grounds take a lot of water.
Curmudgeoness (8,258 posts) Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:30 PM
10. This country has always been blessed with a wealth of natural resources, including water in most of the country, and I believe that we just learned overconsumption. Everything we do it "over the top" in regard to consumption---house size, energy use, food, consumer products, etc.
The maps are interesting, but I am surprised about the Middle East countries (all those "stan"s) that are using more water per capita than the US. I also would need an explanation as to how a country like Saudi Arabia is able to use 943% of the available water resources. How do you use more that 100% of your resources?
Starboard Tack (6,647 posts) Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:03 PM
12. Great question
I think they either import or desalinate a lot of sea water. Curacao and Aruba come to mind. I think the stans are using for agriculture and their distribution/irrigation methods are probably very inefficient.
abumbyanyothername (2,221 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:32 AM
13. The house of Saud burns a lot of oil to desalinate water but I think that is going to end soon.
abumbyanyothername (2,221 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:40 AM
15. Do you think it would be possible?
Having just come off a week on a boat . . . with 8,000 of my closest friends (the Oasis of the Seas) and while I was there reading The Transition Handbook (on energy descent), I got to thinking . . . .
Would it be possible to design a food, water, waste and energy self-sufficient floating living space (otherwise known as a boat)?
Not to knock your thread off course or anything.
Even on a luxury cruise, the space constraints and ingenuity applied in the face thereof, was pretty freaking amazing. Bathroom was a 2'x4' wonder and entire cabin was no more than 150'^2.
cbayer (111,873 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:00 PM
16. Not exactly sure what you are asking, but, yes, it is quite possible to design and build your own boat. Also, because of the economy, there are a lot of boats on the market at some very good prices.
The efficiencies of a boat are amazing, and I will write more about that in other OP's. We use pretty much every inch of space.
^^I'll bet they do.
I'll bet if the cbayer primitive by accident purchases an extra egg, it crowds the kitchen.
abumbyanyothername (2,221 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:17 PM
17. My question is really if you think it would be possible for a boat to be a little self-sufficient aqua-farm . . . floating along, providing all the food, water, energy and waste disposal that the boat's occupants need.
cbayer (111,873 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:30 PM
18. We are coming very close to that. The biggest challenge is the farming aspect.
I grow tomatoes and basil. I could easily make sprouts and do make my own bread and (occasionally) cheese, but those need ingredients I can't grow.
I'm not a big fan of fish, but there is sure a plentiful supply and I would certainly eat it if there were few other options. There are also ways to harvest and use kelp and algae.
We have a friend who has built a floating garden that is attached to his boat. The problem comes when it is time to move somewhere, as he can't sail with it attached.
So, the answer is yes. We live most of the time by making our own energy and we take care of our waste (plastic is the primary problem for disposal). We make most of our own electricity, but we do use some diesel for both the engine and the generator, but could use less (or none at all) if we added more solar and wind.
We can go a couple of months without really tapping into the *system* for anything other than groceries.
^^just don't by accident buy an extra potato or wooden match-stick, lest one crowds the kitchen.
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That couldn't work for me, I take long hot showers.
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That couldn't work for me, I take long hot showers.
I can't believe they actually think they get clean, taking dips into fish-infested waters.
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My husband jokes that he would wash in my old bathwater to prove that he wouldn't love another.
I'm pretty sure he got the idea from the No Doubt song Bathwater. :-)
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My husband jokes that he would wash in my old bathwater to prove that he wouldn't love another.
I'm pretty sure he got the idea from the No Doubt song Bathwater. :-)
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:puke: I had to end that one six seconds into it--I can't take Gwen Stefani much longer than that.
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:puke: I had to end that one six seconds into it--I can't take Gwen Stefani much longer than that.
I like her in No Doubt, I couldn't stand her music once she went solo. I was disappointed that she delved into politics (although I was certain which side she was on). Her fundraiser she held with Michelle Obama did her in for me.
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The primitive dosen't explain what they do with the waste in the holding tank. With two people & say a thirty gallon tank I'm guessing it would need a pumpout every two weeks minimum.
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cbayer (111,879 posts)
The Joys of Simple Living: Water
A while back, I talked about doing a series on my and my husband's personal lifestyle. There was some interest shown by some members, so I thought I might start now.
For those that don't know, Starboard Tack is my husband, and I fully expect him to chime in.
I wonder if the part that I put in bold letters is a special message for somebody here? I won't say who but his name rhymes with franksolich.
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:puke: I had to end that one six seconds into it--I can't take Gwen Stefani much longer than that.
Can you catch herpes from used bathwater?
GS is not attractive.
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There is exactly the same amount of water here on Earth today as the day Earth was created, not a drop less and not a drop more.
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Can you catch herpes from used bathwater?
GS is not attractive.
I suppose if the water temperature wasn't high enough, it would be possible.
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The primitive dosen't explain what they do with the waste in the holding tank. With two people & say a thirty gallon tank I'm guessing it would need a pumpout every two weeks minimum.
If they do what all the diving boats I've been on do ... They simply release it in the ocean.
KC
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If they do what all the diving boats I've been on do ... They simply release it in the ocean.
You know, with all that crowdedness, even if all the windows and doors are open, and they're at sea, it must really stink.
Ugh.
Until just last week, I used to envision the cbayer primitive and her English husband living in something about the size of one of those old two-decker Mississippi River steam-boats; it was a total shock to me when she betrayed that the boat's only 43' long, and has only 300 square feet of habitable [sic] space in it.
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The primitive dosen't explain what they do with the waste in the holding tank. With two people & say a thirty gallon tank I'm guessing it would need a pumpout every two weeks minimum.
I bet when it gets full they do their business "over the rail". Wouldn't surprise me if they don't dump the tank in the ocean either. Liberals, especially the dummy kind, feel entitled to do whatever they want.
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You know, with all that crowdedness, even if all the windows and doors are open, and they're at sea, it must really stink.
Ugh.
Until just last week, I used to envision the cbayer primitive and her English husband living in something about the size of one of those old two-decker Mississippi River steam-boats; it was a total shock to me when she betrayed that the boat's only 43' long, and has only 300 square feet of habitable [sic] space in it.
You know, I was thinking the same thing. I worked with one of those "natural" people once and he wondered why there were so many bars of body soap in his locker. :lmao:
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Curmudgeoness (8,258 posts) Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:16 PM
I made my sensitive niece cry (unintentionally) when she did dishes at my house. She left the hot water run the whole time she was washing, and I did one of those "stop it" yells. I was especially shocked that she was a southern California born and raised kid, and that is one area that should be practicing water conservation, but obviously don't even think. She is living in Arizona now, and I bet that she still remembers the lessons she learned about saving water that day.
I'm sure she learned her lesson, but not the one you think she did.
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You know, I was thinking the same thing. I worked with one of those "natural" people once and he wondered why there were so many bars of body soap in his locker. :lmao:
When looking over to the river from the back porch last night, I began wondering if perhaps I should set up a crows'-nest to be on the lookout for a 43' boat cruising the Elkhorn River, and docking here at the hippie campsite.
I wonder if the cbayer primitive & hubby fly some sort of flag, or ensign.
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These "we care more about the earth than you do" posts are always underwhelming. I wouldn't mind living on a boat for short bursts of time, but only if I could be sailing around the Caribbean while doing so. I highly doubt these two are doing that or anything close. If anyone knows where they drop anchor the majority of the time I'd like to know.
I had a good friend of mine who lived in Ft. Lauderdale and his parents and brother lived on 45' motor-driven boat. They stayed docked in Lauderdale most of the time, but they also sailed over to Grand Bahama island (Freeport) and lived there for 4-5 years and would go to different islands and up and down the eastern seaboard, so they utilized their craft.
I notice the primitives didn't talk about how corrosive salt water is to piping on a boat. They even talk about salt water being used in their sinks and crapper. I don't care what kind of piping you have, salt water is eventually going to eat away your pipes. Even if they only ran fresh water through them, being that close to the ocean will do the trick. What they save in water they'll be making up in money and time spent having to do repairs, and all on a craft that's depreciating in value. No one ever said primitives were bright creatures.
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When looking over to the river from the back porch last night, I began wondering if perhaps I should set up a crows'-nest to be on the lookout for a 43' boat cruising the Elkhorn River, and docking here at the hippie campsite.
I wonder if the cbayer primitive & hubby fly some sort of flag, or ensign.
This one . . .
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Flag_of_Cuba.svg/300px-Flag_of_Cuba.svg.png)
Or this one . . .
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Flag_of_Venezuela.svg/225px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png)
Or this one . . .
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg/300px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png)
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How is she pulling flank steak out of a freezer, roasting it in an oven, and making apple crisp? Doesn't this all require constant electricity for the freezer, and a full service kitchen? I don't get it.
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Curmudgeoness (8,258 posts) Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:16 PM
I made my sensitive niece cry (unintentionally) when she did dishes at my house. She left the hot water run the whole time she was washing, and I did one of those "stop it" yells. I was especially shocked that she was a southern California born and raised kid, and that is one area that should be practicing water conservation, but obviously don't even think. She is living in Arizona now, and I bet that she still remembers the lessons she learned about saving water that day.
No, DUmbshit. People living in So Cal have NO CLUE about saving water. However we, who live in the areas where LA gets their water, are the ones forced and fined into water saving compliance. :argh:
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How is she pulling flank steak out of a freezer, roasting it in an oven, and making apple crisp? Doesn't this all require constant electricity for the freezer, and a full service kitchen? I don't get it.
You're forgetting that cbayer the thread slayer is a DUmmy, and DUmmies lie all the time.
There is no place where that theorem is more reliable than the cooking group.
None of those exotic foreign-language recipes they brag about have ever been prepared by a female DUmpmonkey.
(Nor have the simpler ones like the thread slayer's flank steak and apple crisp.)
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How is she pulling flank steak out of a freezer, roasting it in an oven, and making apple crisp? Doesn't this all require constant electricity for the freezer, and a full service kitchen? I don't get it.
Solar, it's the answer to everything. :whatever:
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I wonder if that boat has a gas generator.
Not very "green"
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I think it's hilarious that DUmmy cbayer the thread slayer rushed a response to our speculation about her eye-stinging body odor.
Then she confirmed that personal hygiene is impossible aboard her tiny boat due to severely limited fresh water.
If you live in a vehicle, whether it's a little boat, a little humpbacked travel trailer, or a 1986 Buick, you're gonna smell really bad.
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If anyone knows where they drop anchor the majority of the time I'd like to know.
Alongside the coast of southern California.
It doesn't appear they go out to sea much (otherwise it'd be talked about); one gets the impression every so often, for a mile or so out, and then back to the dock.
I wonder what dock rental charges are.
As much as I like the cbayer primitive, to me this seems more "eccentric" than any "ecological" concern. Nothing wrong with being eccentric, but one shouldn't try covering it up with a noble facade.
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This isn't enough material for a short story, so I'll put it here.
The property caretaker was here in late afternoon.
He asked me what I thought the distance is, between the walnut trees in the grove on the southwestern part of the property. It's a pretty big grove, planted back in 1887-1889, and all the trees are evenly spaced, although the trees themselves look like they've never been very happy here, on the eastern slope of the Sandhills. They do put out a lot of walnuts, but they're just not happy trees.
I looked out the dining-room window and said, "I dunno, maybe ten feet apart or something."
After which the caretaker roared. He's still guffawing about my talent at measuring distances.
"Each of those are twenty-five feet, exactly twenty-five feet, apart, boss," he corrected me.
I pointed out it wasn't a matter of life-or-death to me that I measure the distance between the trees, and so it wasn't important enough to be accurate about it. He was going to say something, but I pre-empted him, as I was irritated about it.
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"Do you suppose they [the owners of the property] would be interested in putting up a boat-dock down on the river, when happy days are here again, and they start doing something with this place?"
"I don't think so, boss; I think they plan on leaving the river as it is.
"But why should they have a boat-dock there?"
I was thinking of the cbayer primitive and her husband, on that tiny boat, and told him the story.
"it'd be interesting if they could stop by."
"Now, boss, how do you expect they'll get here in a tiny boat, from southern California?"
Easy, I said; "They could float down the western coast to the Panama Canal, into the Caribbean, up the Mississippi River to the Missouri River, and near Omaha turn onto the Elkhorn River, and get here. A piece of cake.
"This place would be perfect for them to stay a while."
The caretaker looked at me as if I were Bozo from Outer Space. He knows of the primitives on Skins's island, but in general, not in particular.
So I told him the story of the worthless freeloading bum the wily primitive, the late "Wiley50," who'd spent years building an ark in the mountains and forests of Tennessee, far away from any significant body or water or river, hoping one day to float around the world in it, while collecting disability checks.
Alas for the worthless freeloading bum the wily primitive, his hippie life-style and promiscuous scattering-his-seed during the 1960s and 1970s finally did him in, about a year ago. I guess remnants of the ark are still there, but the property owner's been cannibalizing it for his wood-burning stoves.
The caretaker said it was probably possible, but it'd never work, the cbayer primitive and her eccentric English husband tying their lilliputian living-quarters here.
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There is exactly the same amount of water here on Earth today as the day Earth was created, not a drop less and not a drop more.
B-b-bu but that doesn't fit the Narrative®.
We also have a water maker (desalinator). It makes a little over a gallon an hour and is the source of most of our drinking water. It requires electrical power and can't be run constantly, of course, but we run it every other day or so and get a couple of gallons.
So, since you rarely plug into an electrical source, you steal it off of some eeeeevil Rethuglican provider, right? :bird:
The bottom line for us is that water requires work and that makes you think about how much you are using. When people come to visit, they often reflexively turn on the tap and let her rip. Since the pump can be heard anywhere on the boat, this most often leads to me racing to wherever they are to explain why we can't do that. We have never had a guest who didn't get it right away and make changes in their usual habits.
Uh, huh......rarely plug into an electrical source? See above. Oh,....I see. It runs on magic beans.
We have a friend who bought a new house a couple of years ago. Some pool maintenance guy told her she needed to drain the entire pool and put new water in it. He gave her some bogus reasons which evaporated after doing a little research.
The day he showed up, we happened to be there and my husband met him at the door. He left without an argument, but I am sure he was mad about losing the deal. Seems criminal to me.
:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
We make most of our own electricity, but we do use some diesel for both the engine and the generator, but could use less (or none at all) if we added more solar and wind.
We can go a couple of months without really tapping into the *system* for anything other than groceries.
And you're as full of shit as a Christmas Goose. The water pump is high amp draw and the stove is ridiculously high amp draw. A battery system to power an oven, a refer (even a small one), the pump, lights etc, etc.... would look like a small version of a Gato-class sub battery room. I suppose your boat is covered, bow to stern, with photovoltaics?
Quote from: Karin on Today at 06:32:55 am
How is she pulling flank steak out of a freezer, roasting it in an oven, and making apple crisp? Doesn't this all require constant electricity for the freezer, and a full service kitchen? I don't get it.
Exactly Karin, there is no getting it because it's simply fantasy and striking a (D)Ullard pose.
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Nothing wrong with being eccentric, but one shouldn't try covering it up with a noble facade.
But Frank, sans their noble false-fascade of good intention, (D)Ullard primitives would simply be a collection of unintended trainwreck consequences.
Oh,....wait.
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But Frank, sans their noble false-fascade of good intention, (D)Ullard primitives would simply be a collection of unintended trainwreck consequences.
Oh,....wait.
It's a primitive thing to do, coating a base motive with a patina of nobility.
The English husband isn't really concerned about the environment or ecology; he's simply an eccentric, but that "concern" gives his eccentricity nobility.
The classic case of this was years ago, involving the now-departed NanceGreggs primitive, who insisted she'd moved to Canada from the United States because of George Bush; she couldn't stand being in the same country with him.
Actually, she'd moved to Canada because her husband, a Canadian national, has a job there.
It's stupid.
I live pretty much what most would call a barebones, spartan, austere sort of life, and many around me seem to attribute that to either (a) I don't want to be a burden on "Mother Gaia" or (b) my ancient Roman Catholic conscience; having seen first-hand, up-close, the poverty and squalor and want in the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants, it doesn't seem right for me to live high.
Both are bullshit.
I live a spartan, austere, low-tech life simply because I'm deaf, and it seems the best sort of life-style to have if one's deaf and one wants to survive.
No nobility in it at all; it's simply.....practicality, selfishly taking care of myself.
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Regarding the difficulty franksolich has with estimating distances, you may have heard of the fellow who laughed when his wife grossly overestimated a distance around their home.
She said, "Don't blame me", holding her thumb and index finger an inch or two apart.
"For twenty years you've been telling me this is eight inches!"
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It's a primitive thing to do, coating a base motive with a patina of nobility.
The English husband isn't really concerned about the environment or ecology; he's simply an eccentric, but that "concern" gives his eccentricity nobility.
The classic case of this was years ago, involving the now-departed NanceGreggs primitive, who insisted she'd moved to Canada from the United States because of George Bush; she couldn't stand being in the same country with him.
Actually, she'd moved to Canada because her husband, a Canadian national, has a job there.
It's stupid.
I live pretty much what most would call a barebones, spartan, austere sort of life, and many around me seem to attribute that to either (a) I don't want to be a burden on "Mother Gaia" or (b) my ancient Roman Catholic conscience; having seen first-hand, up-close, the poverty and squalor and want in the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants, it doesn't seem right for me to live high.
Both are bullshit.
I live a spartan, austere, low-tech life simply because I'm deaf, and it seems the best sort of life-style to have if one's deaf and one wants to survive.
No nobility in it at all; it's simply.....practicality, selfishly taking care of myself.
Yeah, my first impression of the Starboard overboard primitive was just that. A poseur. And....oh, gawd, insufferably British, to boot.
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Regarding the difficulty franksolich has with estimating distances, you may have heard of the fellow who laughed when his wife grossly overestimated a distance around their home.
She said, "Don't blame me", holding her thumb and index finger an inch or two apart.
"For twenty years you've been telling me this is eight inches!"
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Yeah, my first impression of the Starboard overboard primitive was just that. A poseur. And....oh, gawd, insufferably British, to boot.
I wish I could think of specific examples, but the brain's clogged right now; a hard day at work.
Over the years, over and over and over again, I've seen hundreds of primitives alleging to have done something noble with only the purest, most disinterested of motives.....and then later it turned out they'd done it for some base motive.
One that just popped into mind--the late Chief S itting Bull, the bird-smacking stoned red-faced primitive, when Skins was having a fund-drive for some food pantry a few years ago.
Chief S itting Bull said he didn't have any money, but he'd be willing to donate "hundreds of dollars" in office supplies to that food-pantry. (I dunno if the offer was accepted or not.)
He patted himself on his back for being so magnanimous, as did hordes of other primitives.
What really was going on was that the bird-smacking stoned red-faced primitive had a garage full of unneeded or obsolete office supplies, and this was a good opportunity to get rid of it, freeing up the garage.....not to mention that being a "corporation," Chief S itting Bull was going to get a good tax-deduction from it.
It was just simple practicality, no true nobility or sacrifice or charity in it at all.
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Chief S itting Bull said he didn't have any money, but he'd be willing to donate "hundreds of dollars" in office supplies to that food-pantry. (I dunno if the offer was accepted or not.)
He patted himself on his back for being so magnanimous, as did hordes of other primitives.
What really was going on was that the bird-smacking stoned red-faced primitive had a garage full of unneeded or obsolete office supplies, and this was a good opportunity to get rid of it, freeing up the garage.....not to mention that being a "corporation," Chief S itting Bull was going to get a good tax-deduction from it.
It was just simple practicality, no true nobility or sacrifice or charity in it at all.
I can imagine.
But, of course. The greedy, unpatriotic Capitalist.
Since that is best left to the all knowing, 100% efficient, government
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Alongside the coast of southern California.
It doesn't appear they go out to sea much (otherwise it'd be talked about); one gets the impression every so often, for a mile or so out, and then back to the dock.
I wonder what dock rental charges are.
OK. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that docking at places like Catalina Island are way too much for the primitives budget, so chances are they don't do much except just exist where they are.
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OK. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that docking at places like Catalina Island are way too much for the primitives' budget, so chances are they don't do much except just exist where they are.
Do you suppose it's something like lot rental in trailer courts?
I'm not intimately acquainted with the trailer-court business, but it seems to me a tenant of a lot there is not only paying a monthly lot-rental, but also a mortage on the trailer itself.
Given that "lot rentals" "appear" (in quotation marks, because I'm relying on sketchy information) to be circa $125-200 a month around here, adding in the monthly mortgage payment, one wonders why owners of trailer houses don't just buy regular houses. It seems it'd be a lot easier on their budgets.
I wonder if the cbayer primitive and her eccentric English husband have to pay that much for tying up their small boat at a dock.
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Do you suppose it's something like lot rental in trailer courts?
I'm not intimately acquainted with the trailer-court business, but it seems to me a tenant of a lot there is not only paying a monthly lot-rental, but also a mortage on the trailer itself.
Given that "lot rentals" "appear" (in quotation marks, because I'm relying on sketchy information) to be circa $125-200 a month around here, adding in the monthly mortgage payment, one wonders why owners of trailer houses don't just buy regular houses. It seems it'd be a lot easier on their budgets.
I wonder if the cbayer primitive and her eccentric English husband have to pay that much for tying up their small boat at a dock.
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At the marina I use on a reservoir here in red state hell, a covered 50-foot slip, which you'd need for a 43-foot boat, will run a little over $400 per month.
In the people's republic of California, on the Pacific Ocean, I'd expect to pay more.
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Do you suppose it's something like lot rental in trailer courts?
I'm not intimately acquainted with the trailer-court business, but it seems to me a tenant of a lot there is not only paying a monthly lot-rental, but also a mortage on the trailer itself.
Given that "lot rentals" "appear" (in quotation marks, because I'm relying on sketchy information) to be circa $125-200 a month around here, adding in the monthly mortgage payment, one wonders why owners of trailer houses don't just buy regular houses. It seems it'd be a lot easier on their budgets.
I wonder if the cbayer primitive and her eccentric English husband have to pay that much for tying up their small boat at a dock.
The primitive said "We do not have a slip " in the OP, which usually means they aren't tied to a dock. In primitive speak it could mean any number of things other than how normal people would express it, but for the sake of it I'm going to guess the primitive is using the word correctly. IOW they anchor their boat in designated parking space away from the dock and take a smaller boat onto the mainland. They still have to pay to park their boat, but it's a lot lower than being on a dock.
(http://charisssssa.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/avalon-catalina.jpg)
These boats aren't parked next to a dock, ergo they do not have a slip. The primitive is anchored in a parking space designated by the white buoys you see in the pic.
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The primitive said "We do not have a slip " in the OP, which usually means they aren't tied to a dock. In primitive speak it could mean any number of things other than how normal people would express it, but for the sake of it I'm going to guess the primitive is using the word correctly. IOW they anchor their boat in designated parking space away from the dock and take a smaller boat onto the mainland. They still have to pay to park their boat, but it's a lot lower than being on a dock.
(http://charisssssa.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/avalon-catalina.jpg)
These boats aren't parked next to a dock, ergo they do not have a slip. The primitive is anchored in a parking space designated by the white buoys you see in the pic.
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*gasp* Two boats !!!!111!!! ZOMG!!!11!11!!
Carbon footprint, fossil fuels, Rethuglican GREED!!!!!!111!!!
Woe, is Gaia.........Woe is Gaia........
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The primitive said "We do not have a slip " in the OP, which usually means they aren't tied to a dock. In primitive speak it could mean any number of things other than how normal people would express it, but for the sake of it I'm going to guess the primitive is using the word correctly. IOW they anchor their boat in designated parking space away from the dock and take a smaller boat onto the mainland. They still have to pay to park their boat, but it's a lot lower than being on a dock.
These boats aren't parked next to a dock, ergo they do not have a slip. The primitive is anchored in a parking space designated by the white buoys you see in the pic.
Well now, this would make me nervous.
Not the water, not being in a boat in the water; that's no problem--been there, done that, seen that.
But if I owned a boat, which I assume isn't cheap, and I lived in that boat, I'd want it tied right up to the dock, where both myself and my substantial investment would be safe and secure. I'd want it tied to that dock as close as possible, not swinging around anchored to a buoy way out in the water.
Like I said, I don't imagine boats are cheap. It seems to me for what they cost, they should be kept secure.
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The entire thing sounds like a gigantic pain in the ass, anyways. Every moment seems like a chore. You have to work for every creature comfort in cramped spaces. Everybody knows what you're doing in the bathroom. Sounds like prison.
Boats are fun, but just for the afternoon.
BTW, the thread slayer started to tell a tale
We have a friend who has built a floating garden that is attached to his boat. The problem comes when it is time to move somewhere, as he can't sail with it attached.
But didn't develop the idea more. A floating garden attached to the boat. What kind of cockamamie idea is this story? A bin of dirt, floating about, trying to germinate crops? How do you water it with such limited fresh water? How about salt splashing into it, ruining the soil? And you can't sail with it attached, so what now? You cut it free and set it adrift? This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. She wanted to build in some "sustainability" cred into her schtick.
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BTW, the thread slayer started to tell a tale
But didn't develop the idea more. A floating garden attached to the boat. What kind of cockamamie idea is this story? A bin of dirt, floating about, trying to germinate crops? How do you water it with such limited fresh water? How about salt splashing into it, ruining the soil? And you can't sail with it attached, so what now? You cut it free and set it adrift? This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. She wanted to build in some "sustainability" cred into her schtick.
It sounds like someone stayed up smoking dope and watching Waterworld.
KC
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Slips are normally leased, like apartments, for 12 months. At least that's the case here where nothing freezes.
I assumed the odiferous thread slayer meant they rented dock space on a day-by-day basis, which would mean they could only get space "as available".
I guess it happens, but I've never heard of anyone living aboard a vessel moored to a float. Those are either unoccupied, or very temporary stopovers.
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Slips are normally leased, like apartments, for 12 months. At least that's the case here where nothing freezes.
I assumed the odiferous thread slayer meant they rented dock space on a day-by-day basis, which would mean they could only get space "as available".
I guess it happens, but I've never heard of anyone living aboard a vessel moored to a float. Those are either unoccupied, or very temporary stopovers.
Do Not try to rent a slip up here unless you have won the Lottery. The cost for a summer rental is so high that the owners of the big boys go looking for deep water mooring's owned by private individuals and get a cut cost rental. Sure they have to take the POD boats to shore but WTF, saves a fortune. Most Yacht Clubs have people that go out and when a boat is anchored ferry people to shore. Never know when a really big boat too big to tie up at the mariner needs a water taxi to shore. Many teenage sons of the Lobster fisherman make a good wage working at the Yacht Clubs bringing people back and forth to their boats.
Not easy to get a permit to put in a Buoy in deep water, DAD had to wait 2-3 years to get his, He had a 38 foot Owens, older model with a flying bridge, bathroom, galley, and room to sleep 3 + the dog. I loved that boat, it took me a few months to except he sold it due to his health.
Once sold his deep mooring buoy was prime bait, he began to get offers from all over to from those that needed a place to tie up. One summer he had the Appledore right outside his window.
Life aboard a boat with the square space of a motor home with the sails set and motor used only to come into dock is PRICELESS.
Key West is my dream, to sail about the warm seas, to live aboard a sail boat and go up and down the coast, ----Or the Pacific say Hawaii, visiting each island, heading into the small harbors and get to know the people that fish and the crazy bars on the water front.
This has to be a thing that is in ones blood, a calling from the sea to fight nature, to see what is out there. Some day, in my dreams I will live to see and live as my ancestors did. It is the sail that works with nature and we did learn to tack and run against the wind.
Screw the power stuff, that can fail, but to sail under the wind and controll nature has an element that gives one a feeling like no other.
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This is interesting, not exactly "simple":
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100301121649AAuPjhw
Somebody is close to being a "1 percent-er"
http://www.jordanyachts.com/archives/3070