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Title: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on September 28, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
Figured we had so many poll threads I would just make one and put them in here as they came out. Also since no one seems to trust the polls Im taking the internals and putting them in the 08 and 04 turnouts.

Fox news - National (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/09/27/fox-news-poll-voters-want-change-president-to-stand-up-for-free-speech/)
D +3 Poll: Obama 48, Romney 43

2008 turnout: Obama 50, Romney 40

2004 turnout: Obama 47, Romney 44

ARG - Virginia (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/VA12.html)
D +3 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 47

2008 turnout: Obama 50, Romney 45

2004 turnout: Romney 50, Obama 46

ARG - New Hampshire (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/NH12.html)
Party even Poll: Obama 50, Romney 45

2008 turnout: Obama 51, Romney 44

2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 47

Gravis - Michigan (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Gravis_MI_0928.pdf)
D +5.7 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 46
No cross sections

Morning Call - Pennsylvania (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/pdf/main/academics/polisci/PA_LateSeptember_2012_Pres_Frequency.pdf)
D +8 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 42

2008 turnout: Obama 48, Romney 43

2004 turnout: Obama 47, Romney 44



Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on September 28, 2012, 01:06:12 PM
links?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on September 28, 2012, 01:11:16 PM
links?

I knew I was forgetting something, its edited with links now
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on September 28, 2012, 01:12:18 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 28, 2012, 01:28:25 PM
Here's a couple for you:

From the Jerusalem Post:  Poll shows 65 percent of Jews support Obama

http://www.jpost.com/USPresidentialrace/Article.aspx?id=286414

But, it's bad news for the Obamessiah.  Why?

2008 Jewish Vote for Obama Exceeds All Expectations

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/jewish_vote_for_obama_exceeds_all_expectations

13 points down from '08.  Enough to shift Florida to RSquared?  Maybe.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: pandric on September 30, 2012, 06:27:53 AM
Here's a couple for you:

From the Jerusalem Post:  Poll shows 65 percent of Jews support Obama

http://www.jpost.com/USPresidentialrace/Article.aspx?id=286414

But, it's bad news for the Obamessiah.  Why?

2008 Jewish Vote for Obama Exceeds All Expectations

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/jewish_vote_for_obama_exceeds_all_expectations

13 points down from '08.  Enough to shift Florida to RSquared?  Maybe.

What did the same pollster find in Septermber, 2008? Did this same pollster guess Obama's 77% exit poll vote? Or did this pollster gave Obama, say, 65% in 2008 as well? If that's the case, then it the Jewish vote has not changed. What's the name of the pollster?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: pandric on September 30, 2012, 06:34:36 AM
Ok I found the poll from 2008 conducted by the same pollster (American Jewish Committee): It had Obama leading McCain 57-30%. http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=6010403

Because of the undecided respondends or whatever other reason the poll did not come close to guessing Obama's exit poll showing; therefore, for you to conclude that Obama "has lost 10 points" from the exit poll is an apples vs. oranges argument, since:

1) There are no undecided voters in an exit poll (because everyone voted already), and
2) The pollster (AJC) is expected to underestimate Obama's vote in 2012 as it did in 2008.

An apples vs. apples comparison would be to compare Obama's 65% in this poll to Obama's 57% in the September, 2008 poll.

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: txradioguy on September 30, 2012, 07:19:14 AM
Ok I found the poll from 2008 conducted by the same pollster (American Jewish Committee): It had Obama leading McCain 57-30%. http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=6010403

Because of the undecided respondends or whatever other reason the poll did not come close to guessing Obama's exit poll showing; therefore, for you to conclude that Obama "has lost 10 points" from the exit poll is an apples vs. oranges argument, since:

1) There are no undecided voters in an exit poll (because everyone voted already), and
2) The pollster (AJC) is expected to underestimate Obama's vote in 2012 as it did in 2008.

An apples vs. apples comparison would be to compare Obama's 65% in this poll to Obama's 57% in the September, 2008 poll.



Nice story bro...
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on September 30, 2012, 09:04:48 AM
Columbus Dispatch - Ohio (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/30/1-dispatch-poll-shows-obama-in-lead.html)
D +8 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 42

2008 turnout: Obama 50, Romney 41

2004 turnout: Romney 47, Obama 45
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 30, 2012, 09:14:51 AM
Ok I found the poll from 2008 conducted by the same pollster (American Jewish Committee): It had Obama leading McCain 57-30%. http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=6010403

Because of the undecided respondends or whatever other reason the poll did not come close to guessing Obama's exit poll showing; therefore, for you to conclude that Obama "has lost 10 points" from the exit poll is an apples vs. oranges argument, since:

1) There are no undecided voters in an exit poll (because everyone voted already), and
2) The pollster (AJC) is expected to underestimate Obama's vote in 2012 as it did in 2008.

An apples vs. apples comparison would be to compare Obama's 65% in this poll to Obama's 57% in the September, 2008 poll.



Well, then . . . check the Gallup poll from yesterday that has a 16-point enthusiasm gap between Republicans and Democrats (64-48).  That's going to translate into several points in each state--not just the swing states.  I said this before (though not in this thread)--at least one solid state will switch allegiances, and that will throw the Obammessiah into a tizzy in the days between being thrown out via election, and actually leaving office.  There's speculation that the Obamessiah won't leave office if he loses, and if that happens, it will get messy, because you can bet that the military would get involved.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on September 30, 2012, 11:50:43 AM
And they are all over sampling Dems. So they don't mean anything, and don't matter.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls: Report From Ohio
Post by: Ausonius on September 30, 2012, 01:33:34 PM
One would think that my state, Ohio, would not be considering retaining MAObama at all.  It voted for a Republican governor in 2010 and is making a small comeback as a result.  And yet today, September 30th, the Columbus Dispatch runs a front-page story about a poll with BIG BRObama leading by 9 points, 51-42.

“Fire Obama” signs, however, were quite visible during a two-day trip through northern Ohio yesterday and on Friday.  For assorted reasons my wife and I traveled from the edge of Toledo and the Lake Erie coast – Sandusky, Port Clinton, through small towns like Findlay and Norwalk – to southern Cleveland suburbs.  I saw all of 4 (four) yard signs that were for BIG BRObama: others said things like: “Save Our Republic!”  â€œRemove Obama!”  â€œPreserve Religious Freedom!”

The one sign which sent an unpleasant chill down my spine was “Workers For Obama!”

I immediately thought of the scene in the movie Dr. Zhivago where Russian soldiers hear that “Lenin is in Moscow.”  An old man does not know who this is, and asks: “This Lenin: would he be the new czar then?”  And a much younger man shouts ecstatically: “No, grandpa!  No more czars!  Only free workers in a workers’ state!”

My wife thought the slogan smacked of Communism, which it does, as well as dividing “workers” from…whom?  The rest of those NOT working?  From the U.S. Entitlement Army?

Here is the irony: this sign was in the nicely trimmed yard at a large, well-kept, expensive house with a two-car garage and easily an acre of land!  I have noticed that at times it is the modest house displaying the “Romney-Ryan” sign, while the larger, more expensive place has this arrogant sounding sign:

“Another Upper Arlington Citizen for Obama!”

(Upper Arlington is an older but still expensive suburb of Columbus.)

These are undoubtedly wondrous times for anyone studying the psychology of politics!  Ohio has shown past signs of political schizophrenia by sending one Republican and one Democratic senator to D.C.  Like right now we have the Listerine-needy Dem Sherrod Brown with Republican Robert Portman, also elected in 2010.

I will not predict whether Ohio will go for Romney: my sense is that the state is not that stupid.  And yet Drudge has a story about how 10% of Ohio’s population has a “free Obama-Phone” with 250 minutes per month all paid for by your tax dollars.  The story quotes a woman dissatisfied with 4 hours and 10 minutes or “free” time per month: she wants more, because 250 minutes are barely enough for “emergencies.”

Maybe she is accident-prone?

What I do know is that the MAObama ads on television are relentless, are full of class warfare, and now have the “47%” comments of Romney out of context and of course with a sneering tone.  What I do know is that there are seemingly intelligent people here who have been bewitched by MAObama’s brew and cannot be dissuaded from supporting him, and that there are people who refuse to register or pay attention to the election because “all politicians are a bunch of crooks anyway.”

However, I also know that people are not happy with BIG BRObama and his entitlement agenda, that while standing in line at a post office one can mutter “and the same government wants to be in charge of our health care” and receive rueful agreement, and that Ohioans with small businesses – like those across the country – feel oppressed and depressed by a future built around a Socialist, anti-capitalist agenda.

We will see what happens in November: Salvet nos Dominus in his temporibus aterrimis!

(May the Lord save us in these darkest of times!)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Freeper on September 30, 2012, 01:44:37 PM
How certain am I that Romney will win?
I'm betting the future of this country on him winning.

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on September 30, 2012, 02:49:57 PM
One would think that my state, Ohio, would not be considering retaining MAObama at all.  It voted for a Republican governor in 2010 and is making a small comeback as a result.  And yet today, September 30th, the Columbus Dispatch runs a front-page story about a poll with BIG BRObama leading by 9 points, 51-42.

Funny thing about that poll, of the people who voted in the 2010 election 51.3% voted for Strickland and 48.7% for Kasich
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on September 30, 2012, 03:31:01 PM
Funny thing about that poll, of the people who voted in the 2010 election 51.3% voted for Strickland and 48.7% for Kasich

As James Woods says at the end of Contact: "Now that is interesting, isn't it?"   O-)

The supposedly Republican-leaning Columbus Dispatch used the voting pattern from 2008, NOT 2010, and so follows the MSM meme of finding the election a "done-deal."

As I wrote above, my anecdotal evidence is not showing what the polls are showing: in 2008 I did in fact see many more MAObama signs in Ohio yards, and practically no McLame signs.  This year the situation is (somewhat) reversed.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 30, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
And another one . . .

http://www.examiner.com/article/polls-romney-leads-obama-51-44-on-trust-to-handling-the-economy
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on September 30, 2012, 07:54:45 PM
And another one . . .

http://www.examiner.com/article/polls-romney-leads-obama-51-44-on-trust-to-handling-the-economy

If this election is about the economy, Romney will win hands down.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: thundley4 on September 30, 2012, 09:37:50 PM
If this election is about the economy, Romney will win hands down.

The DemonRats are trying , with the MSM's help to make it about anything but the economy.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Lacarnut on September 30, 2012, 11:35:27 PM
If this election is about the economy, Romney will win hands down.

He will win anyway provided he holds his own in the debates.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 01, 2012, 04:20:41 AM
Here's Scott Rassmusen's poll out today:

Quote
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows President Obama attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns the vote from 46%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided. See daily tracking history.

Four years ago today, Rasmussen Reports tracking showed Obama leading John McCain by a 51% to 45% margin.  The numbers barely budged for the rest of the campaign season as Obama enjoyed a comfortable lead and stayed between 50% and 52% every day for the last 40 days.

When “leaners” are included, it’s now Obama 49%, Romney 47%. Leaners are those who are initially uncommitted to the two leading candidates but lean towards one of them when asked a follow-up question. Today is the last day that results will be reported without leaners. Beginning tomorrow, Rasmussen Reports will be basing its daily public updates solely upon the results including leaners. Platinum Members will be still be able to see the more detailed numbers along with demographic breakdowns, and additional information from the tracking poll on a daily basis.

Currently, 43% of voters are “certain” they will vote for Romney. Forty-two percent (42%) are that certain they will vote for Obama. The remaining 15% are either uncommitted or open to changing their mind. To many Americans, especially partisan activists, it is hard to imagine how someone could be anything but certain at this point in time. One of the distinguishing features of these potentially persuadable voters is that they don’t see the choice between Romney and Obama as terribly significant. In terms of impacting their own life, just 28% say it will be Very Important which man wins.


There is particular pessimism among these persuadable voters about the economy. Only 14% think it will get better if the president is reelected. But just 28% believe it will improve with a Romney victory.

While there is some bad news for both, there is some good news for both.  I bolded the third and fourth paragraphs to illustrate this.  The thing is, the uncommitted tend to break for the challenger by at least 2 to 1.

It's going to be close . . . until the last week or three.  Remember something--PM Netanyahu of Israel has said that if they don't feel confident of a Romney victory, they will strike Iran.  The new moon is around October 12th.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 01, 2012, 07:18:46 AM
Here's Scott Rassmusen's poll out today:

While there is some bad news for both, there is some good news for both.  I bolded the third and fourth paragraphs to illustrate this.  The thing is, the uncommitted tend to break for the challenger by at least 2 to 1.

It's going to be close . . . until the last week or three.  Remember something--PM Netanyahu of Israel has said that if they don't feel confident of a Romney victory, they will strike Iran.  The new moon is around October 12th.

We have discussed that before: what is not very clear to me is how or whether that will affect our election.  How supportive is mainstream America of Israel or of an attack on Iran right now?  Will that be good news for Romney or for MAObama?

We can imagine that MAObama will condemn such an attack: his base will love that, of course, but will America in general?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 01, 2012, 07:24:40 AM
If Israel attacks Iran, it will show whose side obama is truly on. We all know he won't be on the side of Israel, and that will lose him the election. The last I saw over 80%? of the Country considers themselves Christian and acknowledge the existence of Israel. If obama goes against them and sides with Muslims of Iran, he is done.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Wineslob on October 01, 2012, 09:44:01 AM
And they are all over sampling Dems. So they don't mean anything, and don't matter.


+1
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 01, 2012, 10:08:25 AM
Politico/GWU - National (http://www.politico.com/polls/politico-george-washington-university-battleground-poll.html)
D +3 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 47

2008 turnout: Obama 51, Romney 45

2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 48

PPP - Ohio (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_930.pdf)
D +5 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 45

2008 turnout: Obama 49, Romney 45

2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 46

Gravis - Florida (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Gravis_FL_1001.pdf)
D +3.8 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48
No cross sections

PPP - North Carolina (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NC_9301.pdf)
D +12 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 48

2008 turnout: Romney 50, Obama 46

2004 turnout: Romney 54, Obama 42



Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Lacarnut on October 01, 2012, 12:21:08 PM
Politico/GWU - National (http://www.politico.com/polls/politico-george-washington-university-battleground-poll.html)
D +3 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 47
2008 turnout: Obama 51, Romney 45
2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 48
PPP - Ohio (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_930.pdf)
D +5 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 45
2008 turnout: Obama 49, Romney 45
2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 46
Gravis - Florida (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Gravis_FL_1001.pdf)
D +3.8 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48
No cross sections
PPP - North Carolina (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NC_9301.pdf)
D +12 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 48
2008 turnout: Romney 50, Obama 46
2004 turnout: Romney 54, Obama 42
After Romney wins by a landslide, I hope all these false polls go out of business. Many of them outright manipulate or lie
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on October 01, 2012, 02:45:33 PM
After Romney wins by a landslide, I hope all these false polls go out of business. Many of them outright manipulate or lie


Watch how they start skewing to more accurate numbers as the election draws near to keep their phoney-baloney reputations.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 01, 2012, 03:31:22 PM

It's going to be close . . . until the last week or three.  Remember something--PM Netanyahu of Israel has said that if they don't feel confident of a Romney victory, they will strike Iran.  The new moon is around October 12th.

According to an astronomical site, the new moon is October 29th.

Or am I missing something?

Anyway...

We could have a case where deliberately biased – and possibly completely false – opinion polls would be telling the Israelis to attack Iran now.

As mentioned earlier above, what I am unsure of here is whether an October Israeli attack helps or hurts BIG BRObama.  If he condemns it, as I suspect he would, his base of pacifists and anti-Semites will be more than thrilled.  If he votes present and waffles on it with some vague message of supporting peace in the Middle East, a message released on a Friday night, will America care?  If he seems to support it, or in fact did support it with some sort of auxiliary military action, will America think that finally he is showing leadership, or will they be appalled that we are being dragged into another war?

We know (most probably) that Romney would support the action.

And what happens if such an attack is a disaster for the Israelis, or is inconclusive?  Or, successful or not, sets off massive rioting and murder against Western countries and their institutions across the planet?

Do Americans stay with MAObama under such conditions?  Would he (improbably) rise to the occasion and show leadership from the front?

The clock is ticking.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 01, 2012, 03:34:37 PM
According to an astronomical site, the new moon is October 29th.

Or am I missing something?

Anyway...

We could have a case where deliberately biased – and possibly completely false – opinion polls would be telling the Israelis to attack Iran now.

As mentioned earlier above, what I am unsure of here is whether an October Israeli attack helps or hurts BIG BRObama.  If he condemns it, as I suspect he would, his base of pacifists and anti-Semites will be more than thrilled.  If he votes present and waffles on it with some vague message of supporting peace in the Middle East, a message released on a Friday night, will America care?  If he seems to support it, or in fact did support it with some sort of auxiliary military action, will America think that finally he is showing leadership, or will they be appalled that we are being dragged into another war?

We know (most probably) that Romney would support the action.

And what happens if such an attack is a disaster for the Israelis, or is inconclusive?  Or, successful or not, sets off massive rioting and murder against Western countries and their institutions across the planet?

Do Americans stay with MAObama under such conditions?  Would he (improbably) rise to the occasion and show leadership from the front?

The clock is ticking.

Seeing that the harvest moon (first full moon after the beginning of Fall) just happened, the new moon would be 14 days after that, you might want to check what the wording is.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 01, 2012, 04:05:02 PM
If O'bama wins and it is within a couple of percentage points he has a HUGE problem.  He's the incumbent and if he has been doing a good job he should be running away with it.  He is not.

If O'bama wins and we make gains in the House and retake the Senate I personally won't give a damn.

If O'bama wins and we make no gains in the House and we don't retake the Senate we are well and completely screwed.

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 01, 2012, 04:25:01 PM
If O'bama wins and it is within a couple of percentage points he has a HUGE problem.  He's the incumbent and if he has been doing a good job he should be running away with it.  He is not.

If O'bama wins and we make gains in the House and retake the Senate I personally won't give a damn.

If O'bama wins and we make no gains in the House and we don't retake the Senate we are well and completely screwed.

KC

Amen!   O-)

I also have been mulling some future scenarios: MAObama wins this year, America goes bankrupt, massive inflation and the ruin of the dollar occur, and the Dem brand is ruined for 40 years, allowing Republicans to have a 2014 veto-proof Congressional majority and Paul Ryan/Marco Rubio whoever to have a landslide in 2016.

Or...

MAObama wins this year,  America goes bankrupt, massive inflation and the ruin of the dollar occur, and MAObama declares martial law nationally and begins nationalizing industries a la any banana-dictatorship in Central or South America, while spreading more hate the rich propaganda and solidifying his position for a 3rd term after suspending the Constitution "to protect poor Americans."

Or...

Romney wins this year,  America goes bankrupt, massive inflation and the ruin of the dollar occur, and he gets blamed for everything a la Herbert Hoover, making a 2016 comeback by BIG BRObama inevitable.

Or...

Romney wins this year,  America goes bankrupt, massive inflation and the ruin of the dollar occur, but a Conservative approach prevents complete disaster, and the economy comes back fast enough to keep Dems at bay in 2014 and 2016.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 01, 2012, 05:23:32 PM
Amen!   O-)

I also have been mulling some future scenarios: MAObama wins this year, America goes bankrupt, massive inflation and the ruin of the dollar occur, and the Dem brand is ruined for 40 years, allowing Republicans to have a 2014 veto-proof Congressional majority and Paul Ryan/Marco Rubio whoever to have a landslide in 2016.

Or...

MAObama wins this year,  America goes bankrupt, massive inflation and the ruin of the dollar occur, and MAObama declares martial law nationally and begins nationalizing industries a la any banana-dictatorship in Central or South America, while spreading more hate the rich propaganda and solidifying his position for a 3rd term after suspending the Constitution "to protect poor Americans."

Or...

Romney wins this year,  America goes bankrupt, massive inflation and the ruin of the dollar occur, and he gets blamed for everything a la Herbert Hoover, making a 2016 comeback by BIG BRObama inevitable.

Or...

Romney wins this year,  America goes bankrupt, massive inflation and the ruin of the dollar occur, but a Conservative approach prevents complete disaster, and the economy comes back fast enough to keep Dems at bay in 2014 and 2016.


Obama will pull a Grover Cleveland.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 01, 2012, 07:26:34 PM
Obama will pull a Grover Cleveland.

That is my first choice as well, and a very disconcerting one!  It would work only if Romney choked and started compromising with Dems, which would prevent any recovery from an economic disaster of bankruptcy/hyper-inflation/deflation whatever. 

Certainly MAObama's nemesis H. R. Clinton would have little chance because of what Glenn Beck termed some years ago The Hag Factor.   :hyper:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: delilahmused on October 01, 2012, 07:58:17 PM
I know these polls only compare presidential races every four years but I think the turn out this year will be closer to 2010 levels. As with then, the press and the left (but I repeat myself) are completely underestimating & ignoring what's happening under their noses. We're working, planning, registering & motivated. We just think our time is better spent making phone calls instead of shitting on cop cars.

Conservatives & independents will be out in droves. The left isn't as enthused. That's huge, especially given many of these polls sample registered voters. Many of those will be apathetic. And one of the things they never consider while oversampling dems...they may just create enough inevitability in their minds that many of them won't bother to vote.

Cindie
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 02, 2012, 09:08:45 AM
ARG - North Carolina (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/NC12.html)
D +10 Poll: Romney 50, Obama 46

2008 turnout: Romney 49, Obama 47

2004 turnout: Romney 54, Obama 42

Quinnipiac - National (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1801)
Poll: Obama 49, Romney 45

2008 turnout: Obama 49, Romney 45

2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 46
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 02, 2012, 11:46:37 AM
ARG - North Carolina (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/NC12.html)
D +10 Poll: Romney 50, Obama 46

2008 turnout: Romney 49, Obama 47

2004 turnout: Romney 54, Obama 42

Quinnipiac - National (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1801)
Poll: Obama 49, Romney 45

2008 turnout: Obama 49, Romney 45

2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 46

It is definitely not looking good for Barry Big Ears ...
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: docstew on October 02, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
It is definitely not looking good for Barry Big Ears ...

This thread is interesting for us to discuss the polls, but we ALL need to go and vote this year, regardless of the state you reside in.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 02, 2012, 01:29:50 PM
I know these polls only compare presidential races every four years but I think the turn out this year will be closer to 2010 levels. As with then, the press and the left (but I repeat myself) are completely underestimating & ignoring what's happening under their noses. We're working, planning, registering & motivated. We just think our time is better spent making phone calls instead of shitting on cop cars.

Conservatives & independents will be out in droves. The left isn't as enthused. That's huge, especially given many of these polls sample registered voters. Many of those will be apathetic. And one of the things they never consider while oversampling dems...they may just create enough inevitability in their minds that many of them won't bother to vote.

Cindie

For whatever reason midterm turnouts never seem to look like the next presidential turnout. But if you are interested in what a 2010 turnout would look like in relation to these polls the 2004 turnout was very similar to 2010. Romney might gain .5-1% from the switch between 2004 and 2010.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Lacarnut on October 02, 2012, 01:56:39 PM
I wish the pollsters would go away. I know that Romney is going to win. So, I do not need any stinking poll.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 02, 2012, 01:56:50 PM
Roanoke College - Virginia (http://roanoke.edu/Documents/rcpoll/RCPoll.Sept.2012.Xtabs.pdf)
Poll: Obama 48, Romney 40

2008 turnout: Obama 46, Romney 42

2004 turnout: Obama 45, Romney 43

Interesting that this poll didnt show how much they over sampled dems but they couldnt hide Romney winning independents by 13%. Looking at all these internals the only thing keeping Romney from straight out dominating them is that nearly all of democrats are decided 95/5 in favor of Obama but Romney is only looking at 85-90/5 from republicans. Who are these undecided republicans and what exactly are they waiting for? The choice is either Romney or Obama and they know they dont want Obama.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: delilahmused on October 02, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Roanoke College - Virginia (http://roanoke.edu/Documents/rcpoll/RCPoll.Sept.2012.Xtabs.pdf)
Poll: Obama 48, Romney 40

2008 turnout: Obama 46, Romney 42

2004 turnout: Obama 45, Romney 43

Interesting that this poll didnt show how much they over sampled dems but they couldnt hide Romney winning independents by 13%. Looking at all these internals the only thing keeping Romney from straight out dominating them is that nearly all of democrats are decided 95/5 in favor of Obama but Romney is only looking at 85-90/5 from republicans. Who are these undecided republicans and what exactly are they waiting for? The choice is either Romney or Obama and they know they dont want Obama.

They're all a FR lamenting the fact that there's no Jesus Christ/Rick Santorum ticket.

Cindie
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 02, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
This thread is interesting for us to discuss the polls, but we ALL need to go and vote this year, regardless of the state you reside in.

This is true. Election day will show what the real poll number are.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 03, 2012, 01:59:04 PM
National Journal - National (http://nationaljournal.com/daily/obama-romney-tied-among-likely-voters-20121002)
Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

2008 turnout: Obama 49, Romney 45

2004 turnout: Romney 49, Obama 45

NPR - National (http://media.npr.org/documents/2012/oct/nprpoll.pdf)
D +5 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 44
no cross sections, 2008 voters: Obama 51, McCain 44

NBC/WSJ - National (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/NBCNews-WSJPoll_9-12.pdf)
D +6 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 46
no cross sections

NBC/WSJ - Florida (http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/121003_NBC_WSJ_Marist_Poll_Florida_Annotated_Questionnaire.pdf)
D +5 Poll: Obama 47, Romney 46
no cross sections

NBC/WSJ - Ohio (http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/121003_NBC_WSJ_Marist_Poll_Ohio_Annotated_Questionnaire.pdf)
D +5 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 43
no cross sections

NBC/WSJ - Virginia (http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/121003_NBC_WSJ_Marist_Poll_Virginia_Annotated_Questionnaire.pdf)
D +2 Poll: Obama 48, Romney 46
no cross sections
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 03, 2012, 02:28:43 PM
Are there any polls that do not over sample Dems?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 03, 2012, 02:31:47 PM
Are there any polls that do not over sample Dems?

That new hampshire poll in the OP was an equal sample. the 2008 turnout has all the pollsters going crazy but in reality there will probably be about a D +2 turnout, breaking even like in 2004 would be a very good turn out.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 03, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
They're all at FR lamenting the fact that there's no Jesus Christ/Rick Santorum ticket.

Cindie

That was my first thought: die-hard born-again Christians who cannot get past the Mormon connection.

As a Catholic I would much rather have a Mormon than a racist, Communist, fake-Christian and crypto-atheist like BIG BRObama.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Eupher on October 03, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
That was my first thought: die-hard born-again Christians who cannot get past the Mormon connection.

As a Catholic I would much rather have a Mormon than a racist, Communist, fake-Christian and crypto-atheist like BIG BRObama.

Steel on target -- though I'm not Catholic.

h5
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: NHSparky on October 03, 2012, 11:44:09 PM
They're all a FR lamenting the fact that there's no Jesus Christ/Rick Santorum ticket.

Cindie

Screw FR.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 05, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Two new polls . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/05/jobless-rate-falls-to-78-percent-in-september/

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ohio-poll-romney-leads-51-48-among-those-certain-to-vote/article/2509947#.UG7vQU3A-gR

Looking good! :whistling:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: docstew on October 05, 2012, 11:35:56 AM
So when the unemployment number gets revised upward next week, as it has every report for the last 4 years, can Romney hit O again with it? How about next month when it's back over 8% because people start thinking "we're in a recovery, there must be some jobs out there that I can get" and the labor force gets larger.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 05, 2012, 12:11:04 PM
Gravis - Nevada (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Gravis_NV_1005.pdf)
Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48

2008 turnout: Obama 51, Romney 46

2004 turnout: Romney 49, Obama 48

We ask america has Romney leading in Florida, Ohio and Virginia but the LINK (http://weaskamerica.com/2012/10/05/boing/) doesnt work for me
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: debk on October 05, 2012, 12:25:29 PM
So when the unemployment number gets revised upward next week, as it has every report for the last 4 years, can Romney hit O again with it? How about next month when it's back over 8% because people start thinking "we're in a recovery, there must be some jobs out there that I can get" and the labor force gets larger.


People might be getting jobs, but are the jobs at the same pay level as their original job?

My 2nd job is nowhere near the same income level as my first job used to be. There are many people where I work that are there as 2nd jobs or because they lost their other job.

Found out last night that they are looking to hire 100 for the call center. ADT and CVS/CAremark are also hiring for their call centers here. But you are looking at jobs that are $10/hour or less.

How many of the jobs that are now being offered or taken, are seasonal only? I saw in our local paper this week, Amazon in Chattanooga area is hiring several hundred for the upcoming holiday season. Those jobs will be over with by mid-Feb, if that long.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: CG6468 on October 05, 2012, 01:02:42 PM
I find it hard to believe that the employment numbers went up and the unemployment percentage also went up.

But not really, considering the "unbiased" source of this info.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 05, 2012, 01:28:04 PM
I find it hard to believe that the employment numbers went up and the unemployment percentage also went up.

But not really, considering the "unbiased" source of this info.

Exactly!

Quote
Meet the Obama Donors at the BLS

BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff
October 5, 2012 1:28 pm

At least two economists at the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) have contributed to President Barack Obama’s campaign. Harley Frazis of Bethesda, MD, has contributed at least $2,000 to Obama and $9,000 to the Democratic National Convention over the last three election cycles. During his time at BLS, Harley has published a number of papers including his most recent, “How to Think About Time-Use Data: What Inferences Can We Make About Long- and Short-Run Time Use from Time Diaries?”

I only used one paragraph because the whole piece is two paragraphs long.

http://freebeacon.com/meet-the-obama-donors-at-the-bls/
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 05, 2012, 01:29:53 PM
Washington has free bacon? :drool:

Oh, wait...that's BEACON....my faux pas....
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 05, 2012, 01:45:50 PM
Have TV networks, AP already called 19 states? (http://news.yahoo.com/tv-networks-ap-already-called-19-states-101804164.html)
By Scott Bomboy | National Constitution Center

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Television networks and the Associated Press will skip exit polling in 19 states in the upcoming presidential election, apparently deciding those states have already gone to President Barack Obama or Mitt Romney.

The Post said an official at the National Election Pool confirmed it will only focus on 31 states on November 6, when the nation elects a president. People in the 19 excluded states will be included in some national exit polling.

The Pool is a cooperative agreement between the television networks and the AP to combine resources to do exit polls, which the news outlets have done for several decades.

The 19 states include Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

Almost all of those 19 states are in the Republican camp, and it would give Mitt Romney a 138 to 19 lead in the electoral vote right at the start of election night.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: thundley4 on October 05, 2012, 01:48:03 PM
Have TV networks, AP already called 19 states? (http://news.yahoo.com/tv-networks-ap-already-called-19-states-101804164.html)
By Scott Bomboy | National Constitution Center


I kind of agree with their reasoning.  Certain are a lock for one candidate or the other so why waste the resources.  Eventually they might just start covering the swing states with exit polls.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 05, 2012, 02:02:37 PM
Im surprised its only 19
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 05, 2012, 02:19:37 PM
Im surprised its only 19

There more than likely are more but then the OMG (Obama media Group) couldn't perpetuate the meme of 'It's a close race". I'm of the Opinion mitt has it in the bag and by a comfortable margin. That is if he doesn't say something totally stupid and off the wall , which is a possibility but very unlikely. More probable is the left coming out with a meme lie that takes hold and affects the eventual outcome of a Romney decisive victory.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 05, 2012, 04:41:44 PM
I kind of agree with their reasoning.  Certain are a lock for one candidate or the other so why waste the resources.  Eventually they might just start covering the swing states with exit polls.

Then why the deuce isn't New York on that list (of the 19 states that exit polls are being pulled from)? :???: :???: :???:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: thundley4 on October 05, 2012, 04:44:52 PM
Then why the deuce isn't New York on that list (of the 19 states that exit polls are being pulled from)? :???: :???: :???:

New York has a huge number of electoral votes.  They know those will go to Obama early and slant the lead in his favor.  That might help to discourage Romney voters.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: docstew on October 05, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
New York has a huge number of electoral votes.  They know those will go to Obama early and slant the lead in his favor.  That might help to discourage Romney voters.

If the goal was to slant the lead and discourage Romney voters, then they would call it for CA, NY, WA, OR, IL, HI, and other blue states. That would give O something like 200+ EV, which would have more potential to discourage R voters.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 05, 2012, 05:45:23 PM
New York has a huge number of electoral votes.  They know those will go to Obama early and slant the lead in his favor.  That might help to discourage Romney voters.

How so if Romney starts the evening already halfway to the 270 EV's needed. New York is a large EV State but not that Large  :-)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: thundley4 on October 05, 2012, 05:46:49 PM
How so if Romney starts the evening already halfway to the 270 EV's needed. New York is a large EV State but not that Large  :-)

Aren't most of the eastern states leaning or going to Obama?  Which states have polls closing the earliest?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 05, 2012, 05:53:12 PM
Aren't most of the eastern states leaning or going to Obama?  Which states have polls closing the earliest?

Well of course Eastern states polls close the earliest but do you think Obama will carry the entire eastern coast and acquire enough EC votes to overcome and surpass an 138 EC vote deficit to point of discouraging Romney voters.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 05, 2012, 06:08:55 PM
In all reality going into election night it should be about 221 Obama, 191 Romney
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: thundley4 on October 05, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
Well of course Eastern states polls close the earliest but do you think Obama will carry the entire eastern coast and acquire enough EC votes to overcome and surpass an 138 EC vote deficit to point of discouraging Romney voters.

Will it discourage Romney voters?  No.  Do I think the left might hope for it to do that?  Yes.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Lacarnut on October 05, 2012, 09:49:46 PM
After Romney kicks Obama's ass in PA, VA and FL, the race will be over. We will be crowning Romney the new Prez before midnight EST
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 05, 2012, 10:01:08 PM
Romney is now in the lead in both Florida and Virginia. He is one poin below obama in Ohio.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 07, 2012, 02:19:36 PM
Post debate numbers ....

Rasmussen Tracking   10/4 - 10/6   1500 LV   3.0   47   49   Romney +2
Gallup Tracking   9/30 - 10/6   3050 RV   2.0   49   46   Obama +3

More info: http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Gallop must be really over sampling Dems to have obama still in the lead. Looking at the numbers stating that almost 70% say that Romney won the debate; and then to get people shown who obama really is. You know they are cooking the numbers
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 07, 2012, 02:42:02 PM
Post debate numbers ....

Rasmussen Tracking   10/4 - 10/6   1500 LV   3.0   47   49   Romney +2
Gallup Tracking   9/30 - 10/6   3050 RV   2.0   49   46   Obama +3

More info: http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Gallop must be really over sampling Dems to have obama still in the lead. Looking at the numbers stating that almost 70% say that Romney won the debate; and then to get people shown who obama really is. You know they are cooking the numbers

Guaranteed: as the weeks go by, the MSM pollsters will show the race "tightening"as "too close to call" and then will blame "late-deciding independents" for any anomalies in their numbers after the election.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 08, 2012, 01:20:42 PM
PPP - Virginia (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_VA_1007.pdf)
D +6 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 47

2008 turnout: Obama 50, Romney 47

2004 turnout: Romney 51, Obama 46

PPP - Wisconsin (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_WI_1006.pdf)
D +1 Poll: Obama 47, Romney 45

2008 turnout: Obama 52, Romney 40

2004 turnout: Romney 49, Obama 43

University of Denver - Colorado (http://debate2012.du.edu/media/documents/coloradovoterspoll.pdf)
R +1 Poll: Obama 47, Romney 43
no cross sections

Gravis - Colorado (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Gravis_CO_1006.pdf)
R +3.6 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 46
no cross sections

GWU/Politico - National (http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/politicogwbgp_trackingoct8_weighted_tables.html)
D +3 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48

2008 turnout: Obama 49, Romney 48

2004 turnout: Romney 49, Obama 48
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 08, 2012, 03:15:23 PM
Again with a built in Advantage to the Incumbent and the Usual 4 pt.+/- margin of error , it ain't looking good for Obama.   :yahoo:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: bijou on October 08, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/10/10-8-12-horserace.gif)

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/08/romneys-strong-debate-performance-erases-obamas-lead/

Quote
PEW POLL PUTS ROMNEY UP FOUR OVER OBAMA
Battleground Poll: Romney Up Sixteen Points With Independents;
Among Those Most Likely to Vote, Leads 52-46 In Swing States

http://minx.cc/?post=333616
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 08, 2012, 03:30:35 PM
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/10/10-8-12-horserace.gif)

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/08/romneys-strong-debate-performance-erases-obamas-lead/

http://minx.cc/?post=333616

^5 Bij!  I like that poll.

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 08, 2012, 04:10:43 PM
Quote
Pew Research   10/4 - 10/7   1112 LV   3.4   45   49   Romney +4
Rasmussen Tracking   10/5 - 10/7   1500 LV   3.0   48   48   Tie

More: http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Rasmussen has them as a tie .... It is not a good sign for obama. Pew has Romney 4 points ahead.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on October 08, 2012, 05:10:47 PM
Careful with that Pew Poll; apparently it has an R +3 sample, according to Ace of Spades.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 08, 2012, 06:04:02 PM
Careful with that Pew Poll; apparently it has an R +3 sample, according to Ace of Spades.

The others have a D +20 sample ....
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 08, 2012, 10:15:32 PM
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2012/10/04/updated-election-forecasting-model-still-points-romney-win-university

Updated election forecasting model still points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says
October 4, 2012

Quote
An update to an election forecasting model announced by two University of Colorado professors in August continues to project that Mitt Romney will win the 2012 presidential election.

According to their updated analysis, Romney is projected to receive 330 of the total 538 Electoral College votes. President Barack Obama is expected to receive 208 votes -- down five votes from their initial prediction -- and short of the 270 needed to win.

The new forecast by political science professors Kenneth Bickers of CU-Boulder and Michael Berry of CU Denver is based on more recent economic data than their original Aug. 22 prediction. The model itself did not change.

“We continue to show that the economic conditions favor Romney even though many polls show the president in the lead,” Bickers said. “Other published models point to the same result, but they looked at the national popular vote, while we stress state-level economic data.”

While many election forecast models are based on the popular vote, the model developed by Bickers and Berry is based on the Electoral College and is the only one of its type to include more than one state-level measure of economic conditions. They included economic data from all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Their original prediction model was one of 13 published in August in PS: Political Science & Politics, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Political Science Association. The journal has published collections of presidential election models every four years since 1996, but this year the models showed the widest split in outcomes, Berry said. Five predicted an Obama win, five forecast a Romney win, and three rated the 2012 race as a toss-up.

The Bickers and Berry model includes both state and national unemployment figures as well as changes in real per capita income, among other factors. The new analysis includes unemployment rates from August rather than May, and changes in per capita income from the end of June rather than March. It is the last update they will release before the election.

Of the 13 battleground states identified in the model, the only one to change in the update was New Mexico -- now seen as a narrow victory for Romney. The model foresees Romney carrying New Mexico, North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, New Hampshire, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. Obama is predicted to win Michigan and Nevada.

In Colorado, which Obama won in 2008, the model predicts that Romney will receive 53.3 percent of the vote to Obama’s 46.7 percent, with only the two major parties considered.

While national polls continue to show the president in the lead, “the president seems to be reaching a ceiling at or below 50 percent in many of these states,” Bickers said. “Polls typically tighten up in October as people start paying attention and there are fewer undecided voters.”

The state-by-state economic data used in their model have been available since 1980. When these data were applied retroactively to each election year, the model correctly classifies all presidential election winners, including the two years when independent candidates ran strongly: 1980 and 1992. It also correctly estimates the outcome in 2000, when Al Gore won the popular vote but George W. Bush won the election through the Electoral College.

In addition to state and national unemployment rates, the authors analyzed changes in personal income from the time of the prior presidential election. Research shows that these two factors affect the major parties differently: Voters hold Democrats more responsible for unemployment rates, while Republicans are held more responsible for fluctuations in personal income.

Accordingly -- and depending largely on which party is in the White House at the time -- each factor can either help or hurt the major parties disproportionately.

In an examination of other factors, the authors found that none of the following had a statistically significant effect on whether a state ultimately went for a particular candidate: The location of a party’s national convention, the home state of the vice president or the partisanship of state governors.

The authors also provided caveats. Their model had an average error rate of five states and 28 Electoral College votes. Factors they said may affect their prediction include the timeframe of the economic data used in the study and that states very close to a 50-50 split may fall in an unexpected direction due to factors not included in the model.

“As scholars and pundits well know, each election has unique elements that could lead one or more states to behave in ways in a particular election that the model is unable to correctly predict,” they wrote.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 08, 2012, 10:19:15 PM
University of Colorado predicts:

Quote
Romney will carry New Mexico, North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, New Hampshire, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. On the flip side, Obama will take Michigan and Nevada.

Also from The Blaze in reference to the University of Colorado:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/electoral-college-model-predicts-romney-will-win-even-bigger-than-previously-thought-in-2012/

Electoral College Model Predicts Romney Will Win Even Bigger Than Previously Thought in 2012

Posted on October 8, 2012

Quote
In August, TheBlaze told you about University of Colorado Professors Ken Bickers and Michael Berry and their highly-accurate Electoral College prediction model. As you may recall, Bickers and Berry, using their metrics, are able to retroactively predict every presidential win since 1980.

Their 2012 model made headlines two months ago because, despite polling, it found that Republican presidential candidate Romney would win 320 Electoral Votes, stealing the White House away from President Barack Obama. Now, an updated version of their study has come to the same conclusion — but it intensifies the numbers behind a predicted Romney win.

Despite the fact that polls still show a dead-heat race (Obama is currently at 48.2 percent, with Romney capturing 47.3 percent of likely voters in the most recent Real Clear Politics average), an updated election model shows an even larger gap between the Electoral College votes that Romney and Obama are projected to win. According to Bickers and Berry, the Republican challenger is projected to take 330 of the 558 votes, while Obama is expected to capture only 208 of them.

With 270 as the major number needed for any candidate to win, this clearly shows Obama far from the mark, sending Romney — at least theoretically — to victory come November. While the model did not change, Bickers‘ and Berry’s analysis is based on updated economic data, which clearly helped sway the projection even further in Romney’s favor.

-continued at the link-

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on October 09, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
Whoa...


Ohio: American Research Group.

D (42%), R (33%), I (25%)

Romney 48, Obama 47

Link (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/OH12.html)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: bijou on October 09, 2012, 11:15:12 AM
Quote
Romney up 2 in new national poll from … Daily Kos?
posted at 12:01 pm on October 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I have to give Markos Moulitsas credit for posting this result.  He could have taken the easy way out and had PPP release it independently.  And looking within the depths of this poll result, you have to know how much it pained him to follow through on the likely-voter survey Markos commissioned (via Twitchy):

    The candidates for President are Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney. If the election was today, who would you vote for?

    Obama 47 (49)
    Romney 49 (45)

    That’s a pretty disastrous six-point net swing in just a week, and the first time we’ve ever had Romney in the lead. It is inline with all other national polling showing Romney making gains in the wake of his debate performance last week.

The sample is a D+3,
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/09/romney-up-2-in-new-national-poll-from-daily-kos/
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 09, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/09/romney-up-2-in-new-national-poll-from-daily-kos/

Between that and these;

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_pollDaily Swing State Tracking Poll
Swing State Tracking: Romney 49%, Obama 47%

Romney now leading in Ohio (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/OH12.html)

The DUmmies heads are going to explode!  LOL

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Gina on October 09, 2012, 11:34:40 AM
Has anyone seen that Military Times poll?

Romney 66%
Obama 24%
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Chris_ on October 09, 2012, 11:35:31 AM
Has anyone seen that Military Times poll?

Romney 66%
Obama 24%
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,79156.0.html
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Gina on October 09, 2012, 11:40:06 AM
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,79156.0.html

 :rant:  it should be in here Hello!  "Latest Polls"  :rant:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 09, 2012, 12:36:34 PM
Whoa...


Ohio: American Research Group.

D (42%), R (33%), I (25%)

Romney 48, Obama 47

Link (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/OH12.html)

D +9 points and it has Romney in the lead? obama better be scared. That is not good.

Has anyone seen that Military Times poll?

Romney 66%
Obama 24%

This is getting better by the day ... After the VP debate on Thursday, it will get even more better.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on October 09, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
Um. Go to Real Clear Politics  (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html) right now.

Romney is up in the overall poll average.

 :yahoo:

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Gina on October 09, 2012, 12:53:46 PM
Um. Go to Real Clear Politics  (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html) right now.

Romney is up in the overall poll average.

 :yahoo:



See that?------>  (http://www.sanfords.net/Spots_free_graphics/Hearts/heart_exploding.gif) 

that was a liberal's heart when they read that poll  :-)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 09, 2012, 12:59:42 PM
Um. Go to Real Clear Politics  (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html) right now.

Romney is up in the overall poll average.

 :yahoo:




Quote
RCP Average   9/28 - 10/8   --   --   48.2   47.8   Romney +0.4
Rasmussen Tracking   10/6 - 10/8   1500 LV   3.0   48   48   Tie
Pew Research   10/4 - 10/7   1112 LV   3.4   49   45   Romney +4
Gallup Tracking   10/2 - 10/8   2721 LV   2.0   49   47   Romney +2
Politico/GWU/Battleground   10/1 - 10/4   1000 LV   3.1   48   49   Obama +1
CNN/Opinion Research   9/28 - 9/30   783 LV   3.5   47   50   Obama +3

They are taking the pew poll into effect. Of course all the dummies think they are republican pollsters. Liberal pollsters Gallop even have Romney up by 2 points. I am shocked to see that. :lmao:

Read More: http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 09, 2012, 01:10:56 PM
I'm listening to Rush in between laundry and cooking dinner, did I hear Rush right? he said Romney is up by 5 in Ohio even though Democrats were oversampled by 9 points? and Romney is leading by 20% amongst Independents in Ohio?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Freeper on October 09, 2012, 01:15:01 PM
I'm listening to Rush in between laundry and cooking dinner, did I hear Rush right? he said Romney is up by 5 in Ohio even though Democrats were oversampled by 9 points? and Romney is leading by 20% amongst Independents in Ohio?


I think he said Romney is up by one.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 09, 2012, 01:45:34 PM

I think he said Romney is up by one.

OK, I was running around between the laundry and dinner I wasn't sure if I heard it right, but with an oversampling of +9 Democrats that's pretty awesome!
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Lacarnut on October 09, 2012, 04:45:18 PM
I think all these polls are wrong because of Democrat over sampling. Romney is going to win in a landslide. 
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 09, 2012, 04:47:57 PM
It was reported today that Romney is now leading in 11 swing states. These states collectively hold 146 Electoral College votes and include Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Obama is GONE!

Read: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll

I think all these polls are wrong because of Democrat over sampling. Romney is going to win in a landslide. 

That is why I said it isn't looking good for obama. To be over sampling Dems and be this close together or Romney in the lead. It is the sign of a landslide win for Romney.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 09, 2012, 04:49:49 PM
I think all these polls are wrong because of Democrat over sampling. Romney is going to win in a landslide. 

I agree , may not be classified as a landslide but I predict a Romney victory by a comfortable margin.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Eupher on October 09, 2012, 04:55:32 PM
Fat lady ain't sung yet, guys. There's a whole lotta backstabbin' in this campaign left to do.

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: thundley4 on October 09, 2012, 05:02:16 PM
Fat lady ain't sung yet, guys. There's a whole lotta backstabbin' in this campaign left to do.



Yep, even with the polls showing a shift to Romney's favor, I'm still not trusting them. 
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 09, 2012, 05:08:10 PM
Think about it, if Romney gets the standard 190 EC Votes (From the Red states), and then wins the swing states 146 EC Votes. That is a total of 336 EC Votes, which equals a blow out. I'm not counting the chickens until they are hatched though..
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 09, 2012, 05:09:42 PM
Fat lady ain't sung yet, guys. There's a whole lotta backstabbin' in this campaign left to do.



Call me an optimist but folks are starting to open their eyes and ears and using their brains to all the BS & lies coming from the current administration that further BS and lies will only hurt them not Romney.

Don't get me wrong they will still bleat the lies but to their own detriment.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Eupher on October 09, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
Call me an optimist but folks are starting to open their eyes and ears and using their brains to all the BS & lies coming from the current administration that further BS and lies will only hurt them not Romney.

Don't get me wrong they will still bleat the lies but to their own detriment.

All I'm saying is that there is still an entire shitload of Barrybots out there who are convinced he still walks on water. You and I never drank the Kool-Aid, but many of these folks - Mrs E among them - are addicted to it.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 09, 2012, 07:12:53 PM
All I'm saying is that there is still an entire shitload of Barrybots out there who are convinced he still walks on water. You and I never drank the Kool-Aid, but many of these folks - Mrs E among them - are addicted to it.

You have to remember the 'enthusiasm gap' as reported by Gallup--Republicans up 16 points.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Eupher on October 09, 2012, 08:58:30 PM
You have to remember the 'enthusiasm gap' as reported by Gallup--Republicans up 16 points.

Enthusiasm - like memory - fades quickly with most voters.

If Romney should stumble and Barry actually have his shit together for the next debate, how would Romney then fare? Those ratings could very well plummet just like Barry's prospects of getting laid last Wednesday night.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 09, 2012, 09:46:20 PM
BlueState is correct about the enthusiasm gap. There isn't nearly the enthusiasm for obama this time, as there was in 2008. He won't have the same turn out.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: debk on October 09, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
Still 2 debates to get through and a whole lot of nasty press from the MSM before election.

We don't want those voting for RR to get complacent, the weather be inclement and too many of them decide not to bother going out and voting. If that happens, Obama will win.

Hopefully,lots and lots of those voting RR will get out and do early voting. No excuse then for not doing it on election day. I know we will be doing early voting.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 09, 2012, 11:18:24 PM
12 thousand people showed up at the RR Rally in Ohio today, in the rain and cold...
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Lacarnut on October 10, 2012, 12:16:48 AM
Enthusiasm - like memory - fades quickly with most voters.

If Romney should stumble and Barry actually have his shit together for the next debate, how would Romney then fare? Those ratings could very well plummet just like Barry's prospects of getting laid last Wednesday night.

I think the die is cast because Obama has nothing to run on. His only accomplishment is Obamacare and more than half of the voters do not like it. Romney has a plan to get the economy back on the right track. Obama has none; I almost feel sorry for him because he is such a pathetic figure who is way out of his league. Romney will win the second debate and that will spell defeat for the community organizer. 
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 10, 2012, 12:17:41 AM
All I'm saying is that there is still an entire shitload of Barrybots out there who are convinced he still walks on water. You and I never drank the Kool-Aid, but many of these folks - Mrs E among them - are addicted to it.

The Kool-Aid drinkers are for all intents and purposes a write off since they will pull the lever for a D no matter the circumstances. The Independents are shifting RR but it's the silent crowd ( silent for numerous reasons chief among them not speaking out against Obama for fear of being branded a racist) uncounted, un polled folks that are finding a voice (backbone) and backing RR.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: NHSparky on October 10, 2012, 03:39:34 AM
Enthusiasm - like memory - fades quickly with most voters.

If Romney should stumble and Barry actually have his shit together for the next debate, how would Romney then fare? Those ratings could very well plummet just like Barry's prospects of getting laid last Wednesday night.

I'm not so sure Romney is going to rest on his laurels.  I certainly hope not, although he has shown a tendency to follow up a good debate performance (think Florida primaries) with a soft one.

But his people smell blood in the water, and I would hope that they're telling him to keep up the pressure, to keep Obama on the ropes, so to speak.

It's a place Obama isn't used to being, and doesn't know how to fight his way out of a corner.  Add to that he's so narcissistic he really didn't expect to be debated or countered, merely adored and nodding heads in silent assent, I'm not sure someone of his ego can recover that quickly from the smackdown he took.

At least that's my hope.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Eupher on October 10, 2012, 10:03:31 AM
I think the die is cast because Obama has nothing to run on. His only accomplishment is Obamacare and more than half of the voters do not like it. Romney has a plan to get the economy back on the right track. Obama has none; I almost feel sorry for him because he is such a pathetic figure who is way out of his league. Romney will win the second debate and that will spell defeat for the community organizer. 

I'd feel a lot more secure about Romney's prospects if he proceeds to kick Barry's ass in Debate #2. As Sparky notes, Romney's handlers smell blood in the water and while I'm sure Romney is tired from essentially nonstop campaigning for the past 5 years, he absolutely cannot let up now.

The shark must eat.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: debk on October 10, 2012, 11:20:39 AM
12 thousand people showed up at the RR Rally in Ohio today, in the rain and cold...

OMG :cheersmate:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: thundley4 on October 10, 2012, 12:06:13 PM
"If you don't have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from.  You make the election about small things."

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTynx1hnfig[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: delilahmused on October 10, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Has anyone seen that Military Times poll?

Romney 66%
Obama 24%

Yeah, some guy was trying to argue with me that this poll was only of high ranking NCO's who were career military & officers. He's actually convinced those below Sargent are the poor peons in the tank for 0bama and obviously not polled by Military Times. Obviously he's never tried to live (let alone raise a family) on a sgt's salary. The fact that anyone could be that obtuse is just petrifying. But then, that's how the boy king got elected.

Not to mention the contempt 0bama has for them...it's palpable. If you don't feel it, even if you're not in the military, then you must be in a coma.

Cindie
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 10, 2012, 04:03:57 PM
12 thousand people showed up at the RR Rally in Ohio today, in the rain and cold...

If that ain't enthusiasm, I'd be hard pressed to find an example of what it really is.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Zeus on October 10, 2012, 04:43:12 PM
If that ain't enthusiasm, I'd be hard pressed to find an example of what it really is.

Unemployed with nothing better to do  :tongue:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 10, 2012, 06:19:35 PM
Now that this Cluster**** in Libya has made it to the MSM, and Zero's sheep are frantucakky evading Congress's questions and seeing how they can (again) blame Bush, I see a lot if undecideds making their minds up quick.

I also think we'll see more "Romney Democrats" at the polls.

Eyes are opening. Only the herd mentality brain dead just vote for the (D) idiots will vote for him.

Just my two pesos.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: NHSparky on October 10, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
Yeah, some guy was trying to argue with me that this poll was only of high ranking NCO's who were career military & officers. He's actually convinced those below Sargent are the poor peons in the tank for 0bama and obviously not polled by Military Times. Obviously he's never tried to live (let alone raise a family) on a sgt's salary. The fact that anyone could be that obtuse is just petrifying. But then, that's how the boy king got elected.

Not to mention the contempt 0bama has for them...it's palpable. If you don't feel it, even if you're not in the military, then you must be in a coma.

Cindie

Someone ought to remind your little librul friend that E-4 through E-6 makes up the bulk of the enlisted force, as does O-3 through O-5.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 10, 2012, 07:04:15 PM
Romney up 5 and this one doesn't include Libya.

http://news.investors.com/special-report/508415-ibdtipp-poll.aspx

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 10, 2012, 07:50:26 PM
Romney up 5 and this one doesn't include Libya.

http://news.investors.com/special-report/508415-ibdtipp-poll.aspx

KC

This is interesting from that poll:

Quote
Romney’s lead widened to 5 points from 2 points on Tuesday, as he continues to chip away at key Obama support.
   
Romney’s edge among independents widened to 20 points from 18 just a day before.
   
Obama’s lead among women narrowed from 10 points to 8 points.
   
Romney also continues to make inroads among middle-class voters, moving from a 6-point lead against Obama with this group to a 10-point lead.
   
The current data include only polls taken after Romney’s resounding debate win over Obama on Oct. 3.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 10, 2012, 08:58:26 PM
If that ain't enthusiasm, I'd be hard pressed to find an example of what it really is.

That is more than enthusiasm by a mile. It will only get better.


Unemployed with nothing better to do  :tongue:

That is only when it comes to the obama rally's. The people at his are bussed in from the soup kitchen and the projects, then told they will get a free cheeseburger for their support of obama. :fuelfire:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Lacarnut on October 10, 2012, 11:50:52 PM
The Independents are shifting RR but it's the silent crowd ( silent for numerous reasons chief among them not speaking out against Obama for fear of being branded a racist) uncounted, un polled folks that are finding a voice (backbone) and backing RR.

Independents, students and those white guilt voters who voted for Obama last time around have left him in droves and will either vote for Romney or stay home. The thrill is gone along with hope and change.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 13, 2012, 12:16:08 PM
Real Clear Politics updated today, and Romney is ahead in every poll except two (Liberal sources), which he is tied ..

Poll   Date   Sample   MoE   Romney (R)   Obama (D)   Spread
RCP Average   10/4 - 10/12   --   --   47.3   46.0   Romney +1.3
Rasmussen Tracking   10/10 - 10/12   1500 LV   3.0   49   48   Romney +1
Gallup Tracking   10/6 - 10/12   2700 LV   2.0   49   47   Romney +2
Monmouth/SurveyUSA/Braun   10/8 - 10/10   1360 LV   2.7   47   46   Romney +1
IBD/TIPP Tracking   10/6 - 10/11   837 LV   3.5   46   46   Tie
FOX News   10/7 - 10/9   1109 LV   3.0   46   45   Romney +1
Pew Research   10/4 - 10/7   1112 LV   3.4   49   45   Romney +4
WashTimes/JZ Analytics*   10/5 - 10/7   800 LV   3.5   45   45   Tie
 
Intrade Real Time Quotes   Romney: 40.2 | obama: 59.8      (See More Data)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 13, 2012, 12:38:16 PM
I read somewhere yesterday that 100,000 voters were purged from the system, not sure if it was just the Philly area or the entire state?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/9/poll-shows-romney-closing-gap-pa/

Poll: Romney surges in Pennsylvania

Quote
Mitt Romney's strong performance in the first presidential debate may have put Pennsylvania back in play, and closed the gap with President Obama in other battleground states.

A Siena Research Institute Poll on Tuesday showed the Republican nominee trailing Mr. Obama by only three percentage points, 43 percent to 40 percent, in the Keystone State. Other polls prior to the debate had shown Mr. Obama with as much as a 12-point lead.

"Pennsylvania's 20 electoral votes suddenly appear to be up for grabs," said poll director Don Levy. "Romney not only has Republican support but now leads in vote-rich areas outside of Philadelphia and also in the central part of the state. With a month and two more debates to go, Pennsylvania's direction on the road to the White House remains in doubt."

The Siena survey found 12 percent of the state's voters undecided. The poll was conducted from Oct. 1 to Oct. 5; the debate took place on Oct. 3.

Meanwhile, the Republican also received a post-debate boost in Wisconsin, where a PPP survey found that Mr. Romney now trails the president by just two percentage points, 49 percent to 47 percent. Two weeks ago Mr. Romney trailed Mr. Obama by seven points there.

In Ohio, an ARG poll taken Oct. 5-8 has Mr. Romney up by one point, 48 percent to 47 percent. Surveys taken there prior to the debate showed the president with as much as an 8-point lead.

In Michigan, an FMW poll taken after the debate showed Mr. Romney trailing by 3 percentage points, just above the margin of error, 49 percent to 46 percent.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 13, 2012, 02:48:50 PM
Exclusive poll: Obama's support among Hispanic voters eroding

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/timesbay-news-9herald-exclusive-florida-poll-romney-51-obama-44/1255882

Here's a graphic from a different link to the same poll:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/10/13/exclusive_poll_obama.html

(http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/10/13/exclusive_poll_obama/_jcr_content/contentpar/articleBody/image.img.jpg/1350133309999.jpg)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 13, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
Jason asked in another thread about the breakdown and if there's oversampling going on, from the above article there's this:

Quote
Not all the polling news was bleak for Obama Thursday. An Oct. 7-9 NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist Florida poll found significantly different results, with Obama leading Romney among likely Florida voters 48 percent to 47 percent, and well ahead of Romney among women. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent.

A couple differences between the Marist poll and Mason-Dixon: Mason-Dixon, which has been polling in Florida for 28 years, uses a survey sample based on people's voter actual registration to match the electorate in Florida, while Marist uses a sample based on whether people say they consider themselves a Republican, Democrat or independent. About 20 percent of the likely voters in the Marist poll were Hispanic, while 13 percent were Hispanic in the Mason-Dixon poll, more in line with the Florida voting patterns. Marist had Obama leading among Hispanics 47 percent to 45 percent.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 13, 2012, 02:58:39 PM
I removed that post. I saw they used the same survey in Tampa Bay, so my qurstion, to me, was answered.

But, I'll ask it here for fairness: Are the rest of them Democrat oversampled? Are they all the same sampling?

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 13, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
I removed that post. I saw they used the same survey in Tampa Bay, so my qurstion, to me, was answered.

But, I'll ask it here for fairness: Are the rest of them Democrat oversampled? Are they all the same sampling?

You'd have to google for the internals of each poll, but IMO the oversampling early on was to demoralize us, the closer to the election the more realistic the polling, the people doing the polling have reps to think of.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 13, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
You'd have to google for the internals of each poll, but IMO the oversampling early on was to demoralize us, the closer to the election the more realistic the polling, the people doing the polling have reps to think of.
That makes sense. You are probably right.

The other part of that post was, should we be celebrating the polls now even though we lamented them and saying don't trust them when Zero was up in the polls?

To answer my own question, the answer is yes, if they are more realistic.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 13, 2012, 03:29:00 PM
That makes sense. You are probably right.

The other part of that post was, should we be celebrating the polls now even though we lamented them and saying don't trust them when Zero was up in the polls?

To answer my own question, the answer is yes, if they are more realistic.

I have no problem with polls when they're done fairly. If you poll a particular state then I'd hope the poll would have at least the breakdown of D/R/I within say 2-3 points, but when you do a poll in Ohio as an example and Democrats are oversampled by 9 points and Obama has a 6 point lead to fit your personal thinking? no freaking way. I may not like Rasmussen's polls all the time, but the guy is fair at least, and I'll bitch about the respondents as opposed to bitching at Rasmussen.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 15, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
GWU/Politico - National (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/468567-tables.html)
D +3 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48

2008 turnout: Obama 49, Romney 48

2004 turnout: Romney 49, Obama 48

WaPo - National (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20121013.html)
D +9 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 46
no cross sections

ARG - Iowa (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/IA12.html)
D +1 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 48

2008 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 48

2004 turnout: Romney 49, Obama 47

ARG - Virginia (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/VA12.html)
D +5 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 47

2008 turnout: Obama 48, Romney 47

2004 turnout: Romney 52, Obama 43

Gravis - Colorado (http://gravismarketing.blogspot.com/2012/10/gravis-marketing-colorado-presidential.html)
R +3.6 Poll: Obama 48, Romney 46
no cross sections

Gravis - Florida (http://gravismarketing.blogspot.com/2012/10/florida-poll-shows-romney-with-razor.html)
D +2 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 47

2008 turnout: Romney 50, Obama 45

2004 turnout: Romney 53, Obama 42
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 15, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
Dick Morris on Sean's show now:

Democrat Polling in Michigan shows Obama 44 Romney 43

Pennsylvania shows Romney winning

Minnesota polls within 4 points with Obama having the lead
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: bijou on October 16, 2012, 01:05:52 PM
Quote
Daily Kos/SEIU State of the Nation poll: Romney's best numbers of the week

Public Policy Polling for Daily Kos & SEIU. 10/12-14. Likely voters. MoE ±2.5% (10/4-7 results)
The candidates for President are Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney. If the election was today, who would you vote for?

Obama 46 (47)
Romney 50 (49)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/16/1144982/-Daily-Kos-SEIU-State-of-the-Nation-poll-Romney-s-best-numbers-of-the-week
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 16, 2012, 02:07:38 PM
Gallup: R 50% O 46% (http://www.gallup.com/poll/158048/romney-obama-among-likely-voters.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Politics)

Any DUmmie head explosions over these polls that just keep getting better?

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 16, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
Gallup: R 50% O 46% (http://www.gallup.com/poll/158048/romney-obama-among-likely-voters.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Politics)

Any DUmmie head explosions over these polls that just keep getting better?

KC

I looked to see the sampling breakdown on that, there wasn't any. I was hoping it was with over sampling Dems.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: NHSparky on October 16, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Real Clear Politics updated today, and Romney is ahead in every poll except two (Liberal sources), which he is tied ..

Poll   Date   Sample   MoE   Romney (R)   Obama (D)   Spread
RCP Average   10/4 - 10/12   --   --   47.3   46.0   Romney +1.3
Rasmussen Tracking   10/10 - 10/12   1500 LV   3.0   49   48   Romney +1
Gallup Tracking   10/6 - 10/12   2700 LV   2.0   49   47   Romney +2
Monmouth/SurveyUSA/Braun   10/8 - 10/10   1360 LV   2.7   47   46   Romney +1
IBD/TIPP Tracking   10/6 - 10/11   837 LV   3.5   46   46   Tie
FOX News   10/7 - 10/9   1109 LV   3.0   46   45   Romney +1
Pew Research   10/4 - 10/7   1112 LV   3.4   49   45   Romney +4
WashTimes/JZ Analytics*   10/5 - 10/7   800 LV   3.5   45   45   Tie
 
Intrade Real Time Quotes   Romney: 40.2 | obama: 59.8      (See More Data)

Um, IBD is Investors Business Daily--VERY conservative (more so than WSJ.)

But note that most of the polls are now going from Adults/Registered Voters to Likely Voters, giving Romney the edge he had all along, and just far enough out to save face with the MSM outlets.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Mrs Erdleigh on October 17, 2012, 12:25:32 PM
Election 2012 Likely Voters Trial Heat: Obama vs. Romney

Romney 51% Obama 45%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 17, 2012, 01:22:11 PM
Election 2012 Likely Voters Trial Heat: Obama vs. Romney

Romney 51% Obama 45%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx

The pollsters are starting to get real with it.

I'm waiting on Rasmussen.

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 17, 2012, 01:23:56 PM
Election 2012 Likely Voters Trial Heat: Obama vs. Romney

Romney 51% Obama 45%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx

Is this from toda? Rush was talking about one of them.


Um, IBD is Investors Business Daily--VERY conservative (more so than WSJ.)

But note that most of the polls are now going from Adults/Registered Voters to Likely Voters, giving Romney the edge he had all along, and just far enough out to save face with the MSM outlets.


Yeah, I forgot what the IBD was at the time I wrote the reply.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 17, 2012, 01:33:44 PM
Is this from toda? Rush was talking about one of them.



Yup that one is hot off the presses.

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: zeitgeist on October 17, 2012, 02:36:57 PM
I ran across this the other day in Barron's.  I have a very dumb phone but if anyone has a smart one this might be a good app to pick up on .

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111903463204578044512188508442.html?mod=BOL_twm_col

Quote
The must-have campaign app of this political season is not from the Romney or Obama camp—though each has its own candidate for iPhones and Android devices. In these closing weeks the app of the moment is the free PollTracker, which keeps you wired with hour-by-hour updates of polls for both local and national races.
 
PollTracker defaults to a "Presidential Dashboard" with a big, clean scoreboard showcasing the Romney versus Obama race nationwide, based on a weighted average of a variety of polls. Tap on "Swing States" to see the presidential race for Ohio, Virginia and 10 other key Electoral College races.



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Price: Free
Features: Customized dashboard for tracking specific races.
Other Political Apps: Ad Hawk, Vote
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You can set up alerts on specific races and create a personal dashboard to keep current on, say, Massachusetts, where GOP Senator Scott Brown trails Democrat Elizabeth Warren, and Arizona, where Republican Jeff Flake is beating Democrat Richard Carmona.
 
In the Presidential screen, you can dig into subgroups such as men (Romney is consistently favored), women (Obama, consistently). The app also shows how voters rate candidates on key issues (Romney is trouncing Obama on the economy, recently 51% to 44%).
 
Although PollTracker is from the liberal TalkingPointsMemo.com, there's no political leaning evident in the app. It transparently presents polls from a wide variety of sources, such as Gallup and Rasmussen, and indicates how current the results are.
 
Some political apps are strikingly creative. The Sunlight Foundation's Ad Hawk identifies who's behind TV messages based on their sound. The makers of the popular Infinity Blade game have recast that sword-fighting as a free hack-and-slash between Obama and Romney, who wield mics and other campaign-themed weapons. As of last week, the cumulative score from all players of Vote put Obama ahead, 23.7 million to 22.6 million. Talk about early returns.


And it is free.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 18, 2012, 12:12:54 PM
Headline at Drudge:

GALLUP: R 52% O 45%
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 18, 2012, 01:11:01 PM
PPP

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Obama is up 51/45 with women, 62/34 with Hispanics, 87/8 with African Americans, and 57/38 with young voters.

Romney is ahead 50/45 with men, 46/41 with independents, 58/38 with whites, and 53/43 with seniors.

They said they are going to do three day polls of 400 people up till the election.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 18, 2012, 01:44:52 PM
Romney Takes Lead in Electoral College (Real Clear Politics)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

 :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on October 18, 2012, 01:48:48 PM
Romney Takes Lead in Electoral College (Real Clear Politics)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

 :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:


Damn beat me to it. Hi-5, and  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 18, 2012, 01:54:43 PM
And unless I'm wrong all of this is before the 2nd debate bump which I firmly believe is on the way.

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 18, 2012, 01:57:19 PM
Count 29 more for R/R, as I believe Florida will go Red.

I'm watching the Senate races, too.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 18, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
And unless I'm wrong all of this is before the 2nd debate bump which I firmly believe is on the way.

KC

is going to have to be a large one just to keep Obama in the race, Romney up 7 points in Gallup is a pretty large hurdle to get over.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on October 18, 2012, 02:09:32 PM
is going to have to be a large one just to keep Obama in the race, Romney up 7 points in Gallup is a pretty large hurdle to get over.

From following Texacon, I'm thinking he believes ROMNEY will get the post-debate bump.  :hyper:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 18, 2012, 02:10:32 PM
obama didn't get a post debate bump, so I am looking for Romney to get one.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 18, 2012, 02:12:05 PM
From following Texacon, I'm thinking he believes ROMNEY will get the post-debate bump.  :hyper:

Oh, I dont think there would be one for either candidate they both looked pretty awful and most of the polls showed Obama to win even if it was within the polls MOE
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: jtyangel on October 18, 2012, 02:19:31 PM
PPP

They said they are going to do three day polls of 400 people up till the election.

It always pains me that my gender can't ever seem to use their head  for anything other then a stylists income generator. You know we always hear a mans weakness is he thinks with the wrong head. I'd say the same is true for women: too many think with their hearts. What can be a man or a woman's strength is also their biggest weakness. I'd love to see the pendulum swing so the majority of women understand their nature and when it is advisable to use their heart and when it is required to use their heads. Sigh.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 18, 2012, 02:38:09 PM
Oh, I dont think there would be one for either candidate they both looked pretty awful and most of the polls showed Obama to win even if it was within the polls MOE

You must not have seen the Fox AND MSNBC focus groups.  They both gave it to Romney.  I do think there will be a debate bump for Romney and it'll happen right before Monday or on Monday.  If Romney continues down this path by this time next week O'bama will be a "bump in the road."

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 18, 2012, 07:09:44 PM
You must not have seen the Fox AND MSNBC focus groups.  They both gave it to Romney.  I do think there will be a debate bump for Romney and it'll happen right before Monday or on Monday.  If Romney continues down this path by this time next week O'bama will be a "bump in the road."

KC

Yep, the focus groups were saying the complete opposite of what the MSM was saying.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 19, 2012, 09:06:42 AM
Romney is up 49% to 45% in Pennsylvania! My state is going red !!  :yahoo:

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[snip]

A new poll shows Republican Mitt Romney leading in Pennsylvania, a state that Republicans had all but written off just weeks ago but which is now listed as a toss up by the Real Clear Politics website.

Susquehanna Polling and Research provided The Washington Examiner with a poll it conducted for state party officials that shows Romney with a 49 percent to 45 percent lead over President Obama.

It's the first poll to show Romney leading among likely voters in the Keystone State.

[/snip]

Read more: http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-shows-romney-leading-in-blue-pennsylvania/article/2511153#.UIFfJYXav0Q


In Virginia, it's Romney 50%, Obama 47%

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[snip]

Mitt Romney has hit the 50 percent mark in Virginia for the first time in the Rasmussen Reports poll, and the trend is in his direction, suggesting that the Old Dominion's 13 Electoral Votes are moving to the GOP camp.

Just out Friday morning, Rasmussen said:

"The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely Virginia voters, taken two nights after the second presidential debate, shows Romney with 50 percent support to President Obama's 47 percent. Two percent remain undecided."

Last week, Romney led 49 percent to 47 percent in Virginia.

[/snip]

Read more: http://washingtonexaminer.com/in-virginia-its-romney-50-obama-47/article/2511205#.UIFfyoXav0Q

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 19, 2012, 11:02:58 AM
MSNBC - Iowa (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-October-18.pdf)
D +2 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 43
no cross sections

SurveyUSA - Ohio (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=9fe706c7-86ef-4698-b0d3-15ec2d79d203)
D +7 Poll: Obama 45 Romney 42

2008 turnout: Obama 47, Romney 40

2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 39

PPP - Colorado (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_CO_1018.pdf)
D +3 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 47

2008 turnout: Obama 50, Romney 47

2004 turnout: Romney 51, Obama 46
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 19, 2012, 11:03:16 AM
My state is going red !!  :yahoo:

You shouldnt get your hopes up, Romney isnt spending any money in PA.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: docstew on October 19, 2012, 11:16:06 AM
You shouldnt get your hopes up, Romney isnt spending any money in PA.

And O is spending money there, which would make it all the sweeter.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 19, 2012, 11:25:14 AM
And O is spending money there, which would make it all the sweeter.

Which is why Obama will win PA and lose the election
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 19, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
MSNBC - Iowa (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-October-18.pdf)
D +2 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 43
no cross sections

SurveyUSA - Ohio (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=9fe706c7-86ef-4698-b0d3-15ec2d79d203)
D +7 Poll: Obama 45 Romney 42

2008 turnout: Obama 47, Romney 40

2004 turnout: Romney 48, Obama 39

PPP - Colorado (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_CO_1018.pdf)
D +3 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 47

2008 turnout: Obama 50, Romney 47

2004 turnout: Romney 51, Obama 46


Over sampling Dems again. Typical.


You shouldnt get your hopes up, Romney isnt spending any money in PA.

I am hoping, dreaming, and praying.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 19, 2012, 03:35:45 PM
State polls for today.

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Friday, October 19
Race/Topic   (Click to Sort)   Poll   Results   Spread
Virginia   Rasmussen Reports   Romney 50, Obama 47   Romney +3
Iowa   PPP (D)   Obama 48, Romney 49   Romney +1
Florida   CNN/Opinion Research   Romney 49, Obama 48   Romney +1
Florida   Rasmussen Reports   Romney 51, Obama 46   Romney +5
New Hampshire   PPP (D)   Romney 49, Obama 48   Romney +1
Wisconsin   Rasmussen Reports   Obama 50, Romney 48   Obama +2
Oregon   SurveyUSA   Obama 49, Romney 42   Obama +7
Missouri   Rasmussen Reports   Romney 54, Obama 43   Romney +11
California   Reason-Rupe   Obama 53, Romney 38   Obama +15

Read more: http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Romney is now ahead in New Hampshire, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, and Missouri. Plus about 20 more. I am shocked that he is ahead in New Hampshire. Now if he gets ahead in Mass, I will really be shocked. Of course there is no way he will ever win California, that place is too moon batty (Well, the southern part is anyhow)... .
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 19, 2012, 04:39:56 PM
heres inside some of those polls Kyle, the sampling is a bit different from the polls yesterday

PPP - Iowa (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IANH_1019.pdf)
R +4 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

PPP - New Hampshire (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IANH_1019.pdf)
R +6 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

CNN - Florida (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/19/topgenstate5.pdf)
Party even Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: delilahmused on October 19, 2012, 05:07:43 PM
heres inside some of those polls Kyle, the sampling is a bit different from the polls yesterday

PPP - Iowa (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IANH_1019.pdf)
R +4 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

PPP - New Hampshire (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IANH_1019.pdf)
R +6 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

CNN - Florida (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/19/topgenstate5.pdf)
Party even Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48



Where are you getting R +4 & +6? I've been reading through the pdf and don't see the breakdown. I see the total # polled.

Cindie
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Lacarnut on October 19, 2012, 05:46:29 PM
Which is why Obama will win PA and lose the election

I beg to differ. Obama is going to get his butt kicked badly. Romney will win PA, VA, NC and FL, and the media will declare that the voters have elected a new President before midnight EST.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 19, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
One of the founders of FreedomWorks was telling Glenn today that the polls in Ohio don't match the "ground game". They targeted undecided voters who went from not sure to knocking on doors for Romney. And the crowds at R2 rallies have been big.

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 19, 2012, 06:35:06 PM
One of the founders of FreedomWorks was telling Glenn today that the polls in Ohio don't match the "ground game". They targeted undecided voters who went from not sure to knocking on doors for Romney. And the crowds at R2 rallies have been big.

True: although I am still nervous about the result, because Ohio is being absolutely saturated with agitprop from BIG BRObama, the crowds are larger and more enthusiastic, and the "signage" I have seen - although a large majority of people refuse to put signs in their yards, because they are afraid of being vandalized by union thugs or worse - in both small towns and suburbs from Cleveland through Columbus to Cincinnati/Dayton to my eyes favors Romney/Ryan.

Eastern counties, with unionized coal miners/factory workers angry at the Dems for sabotaging coal mining and oil fracking, cannot possibly be voting for the Dems this year. 

If they do, and if Ohio goes for the Dems, the only explanation is that such voters are experiencing hostage syndrome evinced by an abused wife defending her violent husband.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 20, 2012, 06:55:28 AM
Where are you getting R +4 & +6? I've been reading through the pdf and don't see the breakdown. I see the total # polled.

Cindie

Both polls are on the same link, The Iowa sampling is on page 3 and the New Hampshire sampling is on page 31
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: delilahmused on October 20, 2012, 09:58:07 PM
Both polls are on the same link, The Iowa sampling is on page 3 and the New Hampshire sampling is on page 31

And yet, here's another one...same group...that shows 0bama up by only one in a D+8 SAMPLE! (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/20/PPP-Keeps-Obamas-Ohio-Lead-with-D-8-Sample)

Romney has momentum...although supposedly that hag Gloria Allred has some bullshit coming out at the perfect moment for an October surprise. Bet the Romney campaign shoots it down though. Maybe big bird is suing.

Cindie
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 20, 2012, 10:10:06 PM
And yet, here's another one...same group...that shows 0bama up by only one in a D+8 SAMPLE! (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/20/PPP-Keeps-Obamas-Ohio-Lead-with-D-8-Sample)

Romney has momentum...although supposedly that hag Gloria Allred has some bullshit coming out at the perfect moment for an October surprise. Bet the Romney campaign shoots it down though. Maybe big bird is suing.

Cindie

You know as sure as God made little green apples that if Allred is involved, it involves something involving some sort of "sexual misconduct". And, Romney being who he is, it's about Ryan. I can almost guarantee you she found someone from Miami (OH) that Ryan brushed up against, or turned down for a date, and is going to cry foul, or that she got pregnant by him and he begged her to have an abortion, said he'd pay for it, and never did, or he fathered a child with her (and she will not succumb to a DNA test).
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 21, 2012, 09:19:56 AM
Gravis - Ohio (http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/gravis-ohio-poll-shows.html)
D +9 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

Faux News - Ohio (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/10/19/fox-news-poll-results-support-for-obama-dips-in-ohio/)
D +8 Poll: Obama 46, Romney 43

PPP - Ohio (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_1020.pdf)
D +8 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48

SurveyUSA - Florida (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac0d63ea-75f1-42aa-ba9c-e6955f64c76b)
D +9 Poll: Obama 47, Romney 46

Hartford Courant/UConn - National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Courant_UConn_1019.pdf)
D +8 Poll: Obama 48, Romney 45


The oversampling is out of control just trying to keep the race close
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Chris_ on October 21, 2012, 10:21:00 AM
Faux News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/10/19/fox-news-poll-results-support-for-obama-dips-in-ohio/)
Really? :whatever:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 21, 2012, 10:50:56 AM
Really? :whatever:

When they continue to sponsor extremely over-sampled polls they deserve that
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 21, 2012, 11:38:22 AM
Gravis - Ohio (http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/gravis-ohio-poll-shows.html)
D +9 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

Faux News - Ohio (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/10/19/fox-news-poll-results-support-for-obama-dips-in-ohio/)
D +8 Poll: Obama 46, Romney 43

PPP - Ohio (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_1020.pdf)
D +8 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48

SurveyUSA - Florida (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac0d63ea-75f1-42aa-ba9c-e6955f64c76b)
D +9 Poll: Obama 47, Romney 46

Hartford Courant/UConn - National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Courant_UConn_1019.pdf)
D +8 Poll: Obama 48, Romney 45


The oversampling is out of control just trying to keep the race close


They are really trying to push obama as the winner (it is almost like they are purposely over sampling them to a point where it will show obama as the winner). It don't look good for the chosen one.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 21, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
Romney gained two more points (obama lost a point) with Gallop this week. Liberal's heads spin in 3... 2.... 1...

Quote
ELECTION 2012 TRACKING
Oct 14-20, 2012 – Updates daily at 1 p.m. ET; reflects one-day change

REGISTERED VOTERS
CHANGE
Romney 49% +1
Obama 46% -

LIKELY VOTERS
CHANGE
Romney 52% +1
Obama 45% -

Read more: http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 21, 2012, 03:55:27 PM
"Faux" (i.e. FOX) News began losing credibility a few years ago, when they caved into MAObama's threats about cutting off their access to administration officials, cabinet members, and bureau heads.  Suddenly they too often sounded "fair" in BIG BRObama's definition of the word.

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Mrs Erdleigh on October 22, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
Quote
Election 2012: Colorado President

Colorado: Romney 50%, Obama 46%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/colorado/election_2012_colorado_president
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 22, 2012, 12:36:31 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/colorado/election_2012_colorado_president

 :lmao: :lmao:

Does anyone know what the numbers are for Illinois? I would nothing more than Barry to lose his home state..
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 22, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
NBC/WSJ - National (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/nbc_oct_poll.pdf)
D +6 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

Monmouth - National (http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/84/159/2147483694/0e2e970e-a544-4f4d-8659-6233705b8ae7.pdf)
D +4 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 45

Politico/GWU - National (http://www.politico.com/polls/politico-george-washington-university-battleground-poll.html)
D +3 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 47

UNH - New Hampshire (http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/e2012_pres102212.pdf)
D +7 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 42

Suffolk - Ohio (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Suffolk_OH_1022.pdf)
D +4 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

CBS - Ohio (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57536922/poll-obamas-lead-in-ohio-narrows/?pageNum=3&tag=page)
D +9 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 45

Another round of over-sampled polls
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 22, 2012, 04:28:47 PM
NBC/WSJ - National (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/nbc_oct_poll.pdf)
D +6 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

Monmouth - National (http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/84/159/2147483694/0e2e970e-a544-4f4d-8659-6233705b8ae7.pdf)
D +4 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 45

Politico/GWU - National (http://www.politico.com/polls/politico-george-washington-university-battleground-poll.html)
D +3 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 47

UNH - New Hampshire (http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/e2012_pres102212.pdf)
D +7 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 42

Suffolk - Ohio (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Suffolk_OH_1022.pdf)
D +4 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

CBS - Ohio (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57536922/poll-obamas-lead-in-ohio-narrows/?pageNum=3&tag=page)
D +9 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 45

Another round of over-sampled polls

I am done looking at these. For now on I am going by Rasmussen and Gallop.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: zeitgeist on October 22, 2012, 04:38:45 PM
:lmao: :lmao:

Does anyone know what the numbers are for Illinois? I would nothing more than Barry to lose his home state..

I would give him Illinois to laugh my self silly if he and Scott Brown win in Mass.   Fauxahauntis Warren aka Princess rich bitch and Barry Big Ears left on the voting room floors of Mass?  Priceless. :-)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 23, 2012, 11:35:45 AM
Here's what I have, using the FNC predictor.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-race-predictions-results?s=222212111221212222211121222222121222212122222121222
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 23, 2012, 04:14:16 PM
I would give him Illinois to laugh my self silly if he and Scott Brown win in Mass.   Fauxahauntis Warren aka Princess rich bitch and Barry Big Ears left on the voting room floors of Mass?  Priceless. :-)

That would be funny ..


Here's what I have, using the FNC predictor.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-race-predictions-results?s=222212111221212222211121222222121222212122222121222

Here is mine: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-race-predictions-results?s=222212212221212222212121222221111222212222222121222

I predicted obama: 181 | Romney: 357
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 23, 2012, 04:31:11 PM
ABC/WaPo - National (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20121023.html)
D +5 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

CBS News - National (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57537588/poll-ahead-of-third-debate-obama-leads-on-foreign-policy/?pageNum=2&tag=page)
41% Ind, 32% Dem, 27% GOP Poll: Obama 48, Romney 46

ARG - Nevada (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/NV12.html)
D +6 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 47

ARG - New Hampshire (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/NH12.html)
R +6 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 47
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 23, 2012, 04:33:11 PM
Here's what I have, using the FNC predictor.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-race-predictions-results?s=222212111221212222211121222222121222212122222121222
Here is mine: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-race-predictions-results?s=222212212221212222212121222221111222212222222121222

I predicted obama: 181 | Romney: 357

I predict 2 disappointed people on election night, Romney wont get over the 300 mark. Ive got him at 295.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 23, 2012, 06:46:11 PM
I predict 2 disappointed people on election night, Romney wont get over the 300 mark. Ive got him at 295.

I pretty much chose states i know he won't win, and the other states he has a chance to win. It won't surprise if he doesn't get over the 300 mark. It also wouldn't surprise me if he loses, this country has already shown how stupid it can be when they voted Barry in the first time.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: J P Sousa on October 23, 2012, 06:52:45 PM
Yogi Berra supposedly said; "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."  :whistling:
.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 23, 2012, 07:45:58 PM
I pretty much chose states i know he won't win, and the other states he has a chance to win. It won't surprise if he doesn't get over the 300 mark. It also wouldn't surprise me if he loses, this country has already shown how stupid it can be when they voted Barry in the first time.

Basic arithmetic can be found here...

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/18/wsj-shows-taxing-the-rich-wont-cover-the-bill/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/18/wsj-shows-taxing-the-rich-wont-cover-the-bill/)

...for any fence sitters or for any of the stupid people: if you define "rich" as incomes starting at $114,000 per year and confiscate 100% of EVERYTHING from "the rich," you would only pay about half of BIG BRObama's debt from the last 4 years.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 24, 2012, 04:12:48 PM
SurveyUSA - Ohio (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=86d85b21-8b9a-4661-99ab-3b88b2335cf2)
D +7 Poll: Obama 47, Romney 43

Time - Ohio (http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/timepoll.pdf)
D +10 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 44

PPP - Nevada (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NV_1024.pdf)
D +6 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 47

The Ohio polls seems to get even more and more over sampled every day
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 24, 2012, 04:31:10 PM
The polls are skewed...

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ljkm1d.jpg)

They did the same thing with Cater and Reagan....And look how it turned out. You would think they would learn from it. Then these are DUmmies, they don't learn anything.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: J P Sousa on October 24, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
The polls are skewed...

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ljkm1d.jpg)

They did the same thing with Cater and Reagan....And look how it turned out. You would think they would learn from it. Then these are DUmmies, they don't learn anything.

I think this happens every election.
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Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 24, 2012, 04:50:11 PM
The polls are skewed...

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ljkm1d.jpg)

They did the same thing with Cater and Reagan....And look how it turned out. You would think they would learn from it. Then these are DUmmies, they don't learn anything.

In that vein . . . I think that the RSquared campaign needs to dust off the Reagan/Bush ad from 1980, where the song "The Time Is Now" was sung.  I think that now, just as then, is that time.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 25, 2012, 11:27:10 AM
ABC/WaPo - National (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20121024.html)
D +4 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

AP - National (http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/AP-GfK-Poll-October-2012-Topline_POLITICS.pdf)
D +4 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 45

Gravis - Florida (http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/florida-poll-shows-romney-and-obama.html)
D +8 Poll: Romney 50, Obama 49

a D +8 poll in Florida where Republicans are the majority and Romney still has 50%. I guess thats why even the MSM is already conceding Florida.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 25, 2012, 11:29:41 AM
The polls are skewed...

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ljkm1d.jpg)

They did the same thing with Cater and Reagan....And look how it turned out. You would think they would learn from it. Then these are DUmmies, they don't learn anything.

Gotta love them calling a 5 point lead on election day "too close to call", a 5 point lead then is a race you can call before the polls even open
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Wineslob on October 25, 2012, 12:21:25 PM
The polls are skewed...

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ljkm1d.jpg)

They did the same thing with Cater and Reagan....And look how it turned out. You would think they would learn from it. Then these are DUmmies, they don't learn anything.


The MSM knows they are full of shit. Being as entrenched in socialism as they are, they will go in the tank every time a Dem is running.

Ideologues all.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 25, 2012, 12:24:20 PM
Bernie Goldberg said on O'reilley the other night that he is predicting Romney to get over 300 EV's. I can only hope and pray that it is true.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Revolution on October 25, 2012, 12:30:45 PM
If there is a landslide, and it rolls right over Obama, I bet dollars to donuts it'll make a better scenerio for libtard violence. I mean, there will be more of it than if Romney wins by just a few points.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: debk on October 25, 2012, 01:00:20 PM
I just hope that people don't get complacent thinking Romney will win, and not go vote.

Ron Paul and Gary Johnson could still throw a mess into the Romney vote.

Pray for bad (rainy, cold or snowy) weather in the northern states so the Democrats don't want to bother going to the polls.  :-)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: docstew on October 25, 2012, 01:19:11 PM
I just hope that people don't get complacent thinking Romney will win, and not go vote.
Ron Paul and Gary Johnson could still throw a mess into the Romney vote.

Pray for bad (rainy, cold or snowy) weather in the northern states so the Democrats don't want to bother going to the polls.  :-)

I don't think that's going to happen on our side. However, all these stories about it being close might energize O's base. I kinda hope the oversampled polls keep coming, so they feel like they're winning and don't need to vote.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: debk on October 25, 2012, 01:51:40 PM
I don't think that's going to happen on our side. However, all these stories about it being close might energize O's base. I kinda hope the oversampled polls keep coming, so they feel like they're winning and don't need to vote.

I worry that the other side will find oh so many "new" voters. You know - the dead ones, the felons, the quadruple registered, and the illegals?  :mad:
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 25, 2012, 01:59:37 PM
I worry that the other side will find oh so many "new" voters. You know - the dead ones, the felons, the quadruple registered, and the illegals?  :mad:

What you said.

KC
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 25, 2012, 09:19:24 PM
Newt just said on Greta that Romney is going to get over 300 Ev's as well. He said that Romney is going to WIN every state that he is tied with obama on.

Edited to add WIN .....
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 25, 2012, 09:29:49 PM
Newt just said on Greta that Romney is going to get over 300 Ev's as well. He said that Romney is going to lose every state that he is tied with obama on.
How does Romney get over 300 EVs if he loses every state?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 25, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
How does Romney get over 300 EVs if he loses every state?

 :thatsright: I meant to say WIN every state that he is tied with obama on ... Thanks for noticing that. i will correct it.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ballygrl on October 25, 2012, 09:36:36 PM
Here's a good article talking about polling in Cuyahoga County Ohio, it's a little long but does a good job in breaking down the polls for this mostly Democrat County:

http://www.electioninsight.biz/news.html
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 25, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
:thatsright: I meant to say WIN every state that he is tied with obama on ... Thanks for noticing that. i will correct it.

No problem.

I think he'll come close, if not at 300.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: YupItsMe on October 26, 2012, 12:20:42 AM
I'm the pessimist.  I get Romney up to 261 giving him VA, NC, NH & CO, but Obama PA and OH.   I think the "fix" is already in Ohio and PA too far away.  Only way I can get Romney over 270 is picking up 6 e-votes each from IA and NV.  Ohio polls don't calculate fraud. If they asked "How many people are you voting for?" and still came up tied at 48=48 I'd feel a lot more comfortable.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 26, 2012, 10:53:33 AM
I'm the pessimist.  I get Romney up to 261 giving him VA, NC, NH & CO, but Obama PA and OH.   I think the "fix" is already in Ohio and PA too far away.  Only way I can get Romney over 270 is picking up 6 e-votes each from IA and NV.  Ohio polls don't calculate fraud. If they asked "How many people are you voting for?" and still came up tied at 48=48 I'd feel a lot more comfortable.

As an Ohioan I can verify that fraud is always a problem where Dems are in charge, like in Cleveland and Toledo.  We will see what happens however: Afro-American pastors are not supporting MAObama, and that might be just enough to offset the fraud known to occur.

I have a sense that the election might not be close here after all, that Romney is actually farther ahead than it seems, but the sense is not based anything other than anecdotal evidence. 
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 26, 2012, 11:08:10 AM
As an Ohioan I can verify that fraud is always a problem where Dems are in charge, like in Cleveland and Toledo.  We will see what happens however: Afro-American pastors are not supporting MAObama, and that might be just enough to offset the fraud known to occur.

I have a sense that the election might not be close here after all, that Romney is actually farther ahead than it seems, but the sense is not based anything other than anecdotal evidence. 
Just find a picture of his last rally in OH...at least 12,000 by one estimate.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 26, 2012, 11:38:23 AM
Gravis - Iowa (http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/iowa-public-opinion-poll-shows-obama.html)
D +6 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 46

Gravis - Nevada (http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/gravis-marketing-nevada-presidential.html)
D +9 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 49

Sunshine State News - Florida (http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/sites/default/files/FL_State_AutoPoll_PRESIDENT_-CrossTabulationReport__October_2012.txt)
D +1 Poll: Romney 51, Obama 46
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 26, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Just find a picture of his last rally in OH...at least 12,000 by one estimate.

Yesterday here in Columbus, yes, 12,000 or so, including some of my students and their families.  One of them, a girl in my Latin II class, shook Romney's hand after the rally.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: debk on October 26, 2012, 12:14:42 PM
Wonder how the polls are going to change as more and more of the Benghazi story comes out?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 26, 2012, 12:19:52 PM
Wonder how the polls are going to change as more and more of the Benghazi story comes out?

They should shift more to Romney. Today's Benghazi is 1979's Iran Hostage Situation. Carter lost because of it, and this will be one of the reasons obama loses.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 26, 2012, 12:34:21 PM
They should shift more to Romney. Today's Benghazi is 1979's Iran Hostage Situation. Carter lost because of it, and this will be one of the reasons obama loses.

You would hope that such would be the case, but the Kool-Aid is already spiked!  One of my unenlightened colleagues already has the excuse: "Oh now this is just ridiculous!  You can't expect a person to order troops around when they don'treally know what's happening at the time."

And when you counter with "But they did REALLY know what was happening" the answer is "No, no, no!  They were just getting the CIA's opinions!  They needed time to sift through all the contradictions!"

Sigh!  Ignorance is bliss!

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 26, 2012, 12:36:14 PM
You would hope that such would be the case, but the Kool-Aid is already spiked!  One of my unenlightened colleagues already has the excuse: "Oh now this is just ridiculous!  You can't expect a person to order troops around when they don'treally know what's happening at the time."

And when you counter with "But they did REALLY know what was happening" the answer is "No, no, no!  They were just getting the CIA's opinions!  They needed time to sift through all the contradictions!"

Sigh!  Ignorance is bliss!


Then that person is the happiest person on earth.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: debk on October 26, 2012, 12:37:34 PM
You would hope that such would be the case, but the Kool-Aid is already spiked!  One of my unenlightened colleagues already has the excuse: "Oh now this is just ridiculous!  You can't expect a person to order troops around when they don'treally know what's happening at the time."

And when you counter with "But they did REALLY know what was happening" the answer is "No, no, no!  They were just getting the CIA's opinions!  They needed time to sift through all the contradictions!"

Sigh!  Ignorance is bliss!



So many people have already voted too.

I don't understand how people can see the videos, the emails, and so on...and not believe what happened.

Course the fact that Fox News is about the only one covering it, has a lot to do with the lack of knowledge too. At some point, MSM is going to be forced to cover this. It's getting too huge to avoid.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 26, 2012, 04:00:04 PM
So many people have already voted too.

I don't understand how people can see the videos, the emails, and so on...and not believe what happened.

Course the fact that Fox News is about the only one covering it, has a lot to do with the lack of knowledge too. At some point, MSM is going to be forced to cover this. It's getting too huge to avoid.

We will see if the Sunday morning news shows follow the story.  If 60 Minutes had any integrity left, any sense of the role of the press outside of the idea that it serves as a left-wing shill, they would be advertising this as their main story.

Nice fantasy!
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 26, 2012, 04:57:49 PM
I just did a electoral college count on the map on RCP. What I did was take all the swing states that obama was ahead in and gave them a leaning obama tag, and the swing states that Romney was ahead in and gave them a leaning Romney tag.

This is what I got - obama: 281 | Romney: 257

You can do the same thing here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/obama_vs_romney_create_your_own_electoral_college_map.html#previous_changes

With the no toss up option, RCP is giving obama 290 and Romney 248 ... I wonder if that is with over sampling Dems? It probably is.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 26, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
Let's also remember the "enthusiasm gap," which isn't in any of the poll results . . . because it won't be measured until Election Day.  At last (Gallup) check, the Republicans were up 16 points.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 26, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
So many people have already voted too.

I don't understand how people can see the videos, the emails, and so on...and not believe what happened.

Course the fact that Fox News is about the only one covering it, has a lot to do with the lack of knowledge too. At some point, MSM is going to be forced to cover this. It's getting too huge to avoid.
Oh, look at the libtard friends of mine on my FB page crying, "9/11 killed 3,000 and Bush knew!! And this is just 4 people! These things happen. The right is just politicizing it because you want Obama to fail."
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 26, 2012, 06:53:52 PM
Oh, look at the libtard friends of mine on my FB page crying, "9/11 killed 3,000 and Bush knew!! And this is just 4 people! These things happen. The right is just politicizing it because you want Obama to fail."

The MSM is hiding this scandal: 307 Million Americans should be smelling the pustulating stench from this scandal, but the MSM has no shame about shilling for the criminals at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

See this about how the CIA refuses to take the fall: they gave no stand-down order to prevent a rescue:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html)
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: docstew on October 27, 2012, 10:45:31 AM
The MSM is hiding this scandal: 307 Million Americans should be smelling the pustulating stench from this scandal, but the MSM has no shame about shilling for the criminals at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

See this about how the CIA refuses to take the fall: they gave no stand-down order to prevent a rescue:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html)

Like I said earlier: try and throw a Ranger under the bus, he's gonna roll out the other side after putting a thermite grenade on it.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 27, 2012, 07:30:15 PM
Gravis - Virginia (http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/virginia-presidential-and-senate-poll.html)
D +8 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 48

WaPo - Virginia (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postVApoll_20121026.html)
Ind 35%, Dem 31%, GOP 27% Poll: Obama 51, Romney 47
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 28, 2012, 10:02:29 AM
I am here by done with RealClearPolitics.com ... They are shills for obama.

I looked at the latest Realclearpolitics polls between obama and Romney. Romney is ahead in SIX of them from between a 1 to 5 point margin. obama is ahead in THREE by a 1 to 3 point margin. In one poll they are tied. RCP HAS THEM AVERAGED AS BEING A TIE! That is so utterly false that I can't even describe how stupid it is. These polls are trying everything they can put obama ahead. It is making them all look like morons ..

Here:

RCP Average   10/15 - 10/27   --   --   47.9   47.0   Romney +0.9
Rasmussen Reports   10/25 - 10/27   1500 LV   3.0   50   47   Romney +3
ABC News/Wash Post   10/23 - 10/26   1295 LV   3.5   49   48   Romney +1
IBD/TIPP   10/21 - 10/26   930 LV   3.5   45   47   Obama +2
Gallup   10/20 - 10/26   2700 LV   2.0   51   46   Romney +5
Associated Press/GfK   10/19 - 10/23   839 LV   4.2   47   45   Romney +2
Monmouth/SurveyUSA/Braun   10/18 - 10/21   1402 LV   2.6   48   45   Romney +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl   10/17 - 10/20   816 LV   3.4   47   47   Tie
CBS News   10/17 - 10/20   790 LV   4.0   46   48   Obama +2
WashTimes/JZ Analytics*   10/18 - 10/20   800 LV   3.5   47   50   Obama +3
Politico/GWU/Battleground   10/15 - 10/18   1000 LV   3.1   49   47   Romney +2

I tell you come. Next Tuesday, there are a lot of shills who are going to be getting a rude awakening.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 28, 2012, 12:03:57 PM
I am here by done with RealClearPolitics.com ... They are shills for obama.

I looked at the latest Realclearpolitics polls between obama and Romney. Romney is ahead in SIX of them from between a 1 to 5 point margin. obama is ahead in THREE by a 1 to 3 point margin. In one poll they are tied. RCP HAS THEM AVERAGED AS BEING A TIE! That is so utterly false that I can't even describe how stupid it is. These polls are trying everything they can put obama ahead. It is making them all look like morons ..

are you disputing the math or the polls? RCP isnt partisan, but they are also at the mercy of the polls. they dont choose which polls to use and which ones to toss. They show them all and let people make their own opinions.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 28, 2012, 12:10:37 PM
are you disputing the math or the polls? RCP isnt partisan, but they are also at the mercy of the polls. they dont choose which polls to use and which ones to toss. They show them all and let people make their own opinions.

The math. I don't see how Romney being ahead by a 1 to 5 point margin in six polls can be even with obama only being by a 1 to 3 margin in three of them. It doesn't add up.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 28, 2012, 12:25:21 PM
The math. I don't see how Romney being ahead by a 1 to 5 point margin in six polls can be even with obama only being by a 1 to 3 margin in three of them. It doesn't add up.

It does add up

here are the 10 polls

Romney +5
Romney +3
Romney +3
Romney +2
Romney +2
Romney +1

Tie

Obama +2
Obama +2
Obama +3

Romney total +16
Obama total +7

difference Romney +9 / 10 polls = Romney +.9

Quote
RCP Average   10/15 - 10/27   --   --   47.9   47.0   Romney +0.9
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 28, 2012, 12:38:00 PM
It does add up

here are the 10 polls

Romney +5
Romney +3
Romney +3
Romney +2
Romney +2
Romney +1

Tie

Obama +2
Obama +2
Obama +3

Romney total +16
Obama total +7

difference Romney +9 / 10 polls = Romney +.9


I don't see how that adds up. Unless they are eliminating the tie margins.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 28, 2012, 12:53:46 PM
I don't see how that adds up. Unless they are eliminating the tie margins.

Simple math. Its just an average.

average the numbers:5,3,3,2,2,1,0,-2,-2,-3

if you dont trust my math or your math hes a site that does it, http://www.calculatorpro.com/calculator/average-calculator/



Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 28, 2012, 01:44:03 PM
Simple math. Its just an average.

average the numbers:5,3,3,2,2,1,0,-2,-2,-3

if you dont trust my math or your math hes a site that does it, http://www.calculatorpro.com/calculator/average-calculator/





It does come out to .90. But I was looking Romney to be more than that. He should be. Oh well.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 29, 2012, 09:47:32 AM
ABC/WaPo - National (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20121027.html)
Dem: 35%, Ind 34%, GOP 28% Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

Politico - National (http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/politico_gwbgp_oct29_questionnaire.html)
D +4 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48

Cincinnati Inquirer - Ohio (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121028/NEWS010601/310280047&Ref=AR)
Dem 47%, GOP 44%, Ind 9% Poll: Romney 49, Obama 49

Gravis - Ohio (http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/gravis-marketing-ohio-poll-results.html)
D +8 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 49

PPP - Ohio (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_1028.pdf)
D +8 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 47

WaPo and Cincinnati Inquirer going with some different tactics to skew results
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 29, 2012, 09:49:53 AM
ABC/WaPo - National (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20121027.html)
Dem: 35%, Ind 34%, GOP 28% Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

Politico - National (http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/politico_gwbgp_oct29_questionnaire.html)
D +4 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48

Cincinnati Inquirer - Ohio (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121028/NEWS010601/310280047&Ref=AR)
Dem 47%, GOP 44%, Ind 9% Poll: Romney 49, Obama 49

Gravis - Ohio (http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/gravis-marketing-ohio-poll-results.html)
D +8 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 49

PPP - Ohio (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_1028.pdf)
D +8 Poll: Obama 51, Romney 47

WaPo and Cincinnati Inquirer going with some different tactics to skew results

7% jump and Romney is still in the lead? They are doing anything they can to put obama over the top.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Texacon on October 29, 2012, 10:04:41 AM
Drudge just put this up;

Romney 50% - O'bama 48% in OHIO! (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/ohio/election_2012_ohio_president)

This is getting interesting.

When ABC has Romney up by 1% O'bama is in trouble.  I'll bet they hated posting that.

KC

On Edit;  That's Rasmussen ... I don't trust most of the others.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 30, 2012, 07:12:32 PM
ABC/WaPo - National (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20121029.html)
Ind 35%, Dem 33%, GOP 28% Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48

NPR - National (http://media.npr.org/documents/2012/oct/NPROctpoll.pdf)
D +9 Poll: Romney 48, Obama 47

CBS/NYT - National (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111613441/Oct12c-Elec?secret_password=8xoezp0lujp1hfpd3k7)
Dem 36%, Ind 33%, GOP 31% Poll: Obama 48, Romney 47

Pew - National (http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/10-29-12%20FINAL%20Political%20Release.pdf)
D +1 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

SurveyUSA - Ohio (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=11cca51d-06ab-40f5-8ba1-0c8ddc33d855)
D +6 Poll: Obama 48, Romney 45

SurveyUSA - Florida (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=7160c83f-98c8-4802-9758-bd492cdeb362)
D +5 Poll: Romney 47, Obama 47

CNN - Florida (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/29/topfl3.pdf)
Ind 35%, Dem 33%, GOP 32% Poll: Romney 50, Obama 49

PPP - Florida (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_FL_1028.pdf)
D +5 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 48

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 31, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
Quinnipiac - Florida (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111619086/Quinn-10-31-FL-OH-VA?secret_password=2l8php1ck5l2c2wr8j6x)
D +7 Poll: Obama 48, Romney 47

Quinnipiac - Ohio (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111619086/Quinn-10-31-FL-OH-VA?secret_password=2l8php1ck5l2c2wr8j6x)
D +8 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 45

Quinnipiac - Virginia (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111619086/Quinn-10-31-FL-OH-VA?secret_password=2l8php1ck5l2c2wr8j6x)
D +8 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 47

Roanoke College - Virginia (http://roanoke.edu/Documents/rcpoll/Oct%202012%20Qs%20Freqs.final.pdf)
D +4 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 44
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 31, 2012, 10:50:25 AM
I guess thinking that they would quit over sampling Dems is out of the question. Those pollsters are nothing but jokes.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: BigTex on October 31, 2012, 11:04:21 AM
I guess thinking that they would quit over sampling Dems is out of the question. Those pollsters are nothing but jokes.

not only that but the sheer amount of polls is ridiculous and really skewing any of the poll averaging which has been consistent in the past
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Ausonius on October 31, 2012, 11:08:48 AM
not only that but the sheer amount of polls is ridiculous and really skewing any of the poll averaging which has been consistent in the past

Rush Limbaugh is just now mentioning the same thing: for BIG BRObama to win, turn-out needs to be identical to 2008.

Who believes that enthusiasm for MAObama is the same as 4 years ago?  Who believes that enthusiasm for Romney equals that for McLame in 2008?

If anyone does, how do they explain Election 2010 and the rise of the Tea Party movement?  How do they explain the failure to recall the governor of Wisconsin?
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: thundley4 on October 31, 2012, 11:10:23 AM
Rush Limbaugh is just now mentioning the same thing: for BIG BRObama to win, turn-out needs to be identical to 2008.

Who believes that enthusiasm for MAObama is the same as 4 years ago?  Who believes that enthusiasm for Romney equals that for McLame in 2008?

If anyone does, how do they explain Election 2010 and the rise of the Tea Party movement?  How do they explain the failure to recall the governor of Wisconsin?

With more white males voting for Romney, Obama needs more women and minorities to vote to win.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Splashdown on October 31, 2012, 11:18:57 AM
Don't forget the weather. I'd wade through shark-infested wather to my polls to vote Obama out of office. I'm thinking that the D's won't be as motivated.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on October 31, 2012, 11:24:25 AM
Quinnipiac - Florida (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111619086/Quinn-10-31-FL-OH-VA?secret_password=2l8php1ck5l2c2wr8j6x)
D +7 Poll: Obama 48, Romney 47

Quinnipiac - Ohio (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111619086/Quinn-10-31-FL-OH-VA?secret_password=2l8php1ck5l2c2wr8j6x)
D +8 Poll: Obama 50, Romney 45

Quinnipiac - Virginia (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111619086/Quinn-10-31-FL-OH-VA?secret_password=2l8php1ck5l2c2wr8j6x)
D +8 Poll: Obama 49, Romney 47

Roanoke College - Virginia (http://roanoke.edu/Documents/rcpoll/Oct%202012%20Qs%20Freqs.final.pdf)
D +4 Poll: Romney 49, Obama 44

Q-pac has historically been off to the left in all the national elections.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: DefiantSix on October 31, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
Don't forget the weather. I'd wade through shark-infested wather to my polls to vote Obama out of office. I'm thinking that the D's won't be as motivated.

You are aware that Lord Rove ordered the experimental sharks with frikkin' laser beams on their heads to be released in those waters after the VRWC weather manipulation teams were through steering Sandy into those Dhimmi'Rat hellholes on the east coast.

(http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/sharklaserbeam.jpg)

Teh Rove is taking no chances, this time...  :fuelfire: [/ParGen]
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: JohnnyReb on October 31, 2012, 11:25:58 AM
Don't forget the weather. I'd wade through shark-infested wather to my polls to vote Obama out of office. I'm thinking that the D's won't be as motivated.

I don't think you'll have spear any sharks but you may have to shoot a few black panthers to get to the polls.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: pandric on October 31, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
Q-pac has historically been off to the left in all the national elections.

Link to analysis of Quinnpiac's left-leaningn in past "national elections", please.
Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Eupher on October 31, 2012, 12:27:44 PM
You won't like the source, pandric, but here's something to chew on:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/26/obama-struggles-with-independents

And this:

http://mnprager.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/cbs-nytimes-quinnipiac-poll-is-flawed-or-a-fraud-probably-the-latter/

DAT will no doubt add his own commentary

Title: Re: The Latest Polls
Post by: Kyle Ricky on October 31, 2012, 12:50:00 PM
Link to analysis of Quinnpiac's left-leaningn in past "national elections", please.

Are you really that stupid? All you have to to do is look at their poll sample to know which way they swing. EVERY POLL THEY DO IS D+20,0000! God, you are pathetic .... :thatsright: