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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: pandric on September 15, 2012, 02:47:46 AM
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September 14:
"President Barack Obama is closing extending his lead with Jewish voters, leading among registered voters 70-25 percent according to unreleased Gallup daily tracking poll data .
The data, obtained through a Democratic source, shows Obama up from leading 64-29 in polling this spring — and on par with his 2008 performance at this point when he led 69-25 over John McCain in Gallup polling. The data is drawn from tracking polls taken between July 1 and September 10th."
Link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/obama-extends-lead-with-jewish-voters)
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September 14:
"President Barack Obama is closing extending his lead with Jewish voters, leading among registered voters 70-25 percent according to unreleased Gallup daily tracking poll data .
The data, obtained through a Democratic source, shows Obama up from leading 64-29 in polling this spring — and on par with his 2008 performance at this point when he led 69-25 over John McCain in Gallup polling. The data is drawn from tracking polls taken between July 1 and September 10th."
Link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/obama-extends-lead-with-jewish-voters)
If the data is unreleased then how did an amateur site get it and none of the MSM did?
Texas Insider Report: WASHINGTON, D.C. – President Obama’s support among Jewish voters is down 19% since his 2008 election victory, a new poll reveals. Conducted during the Democratic National Convention’s omission of God and Jerusalem as the capital of Israel from their platform, only to have an effort to reinsert the two items booed by Obama delegates — further found that Romney garners 35% of the Jewish vote, the poll says.
The poll — recent Investor’s Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor/TIPP Poll, released Monday, found that while President Obama leads in overall polling — 46% to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s 44% — his support among Jewish voters has dropped from 78% in 2008 to 59% today.
http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=66767
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Well, pandric is in for a big shock when Jewish voters show up to the polls angry about what happened at the DNC.
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We will find out how stupid or smart voters of any religion are in November: the man's hostility to Israel and to Judaism and to the Catholic Church and to Christianity in general has been on display during his entire career.
He is NOT a religious person: his not too hidden atheism is there for anyone exerting effort and intelligence to see.
Polls right now - except perhaps for Rasmussen, the most accurate - are not to be trusted.
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Just about guarantee you, if true, the 25% comprise survivors and children of the Shoah.
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Just about guarantee you, if true, the 25% comprise survivors and children of the Shoah.
Agreed! "If true" is right: I still think MAObama has lost more of the Jewish vote - and I hope votes of all religious believers - than the usual MSM polls are claiming.
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Polls are not to be trusted - Except maybe Rasmussen. Especially the ones from the MSM. They are all over sampling Democrats to make obama look like his is going to win by a landslide.
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September 14:
according to unreleased Gallup daily tracking poll data.
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September 14:
"President Barack Obama is closing extending his lead with Jewish voters, leading among registered voters 70-25 percent according to unreleased Gallup daily tracking poll data .
The data, obtained through a Democratic source, shows Obama up from leading 64-29 in polling this spring — and on par with his 2008 performance at this point when he led 69-25 over John McCain in Gallup polling. The data is drawn from tracking polls taken between July 1 and September 10th."
Link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/obama-extends-lead-with-jewish-voters)
Pandric our liberal propaganda source gets a bitch slap for printing a lie.
No one has seen this but you present it as fact. With no link to the source, its a LIE.
Pandric, doing his part to demoralize opposition voters. Sucks to be you, O will lose in a landslide.
Why? He has no new voters. Millions who voted for in in 2008 are abandoning him in 2012. They are not being replaced. Blacks are voting at 2004 levels, not at 2008 levels. No hopey/changey surge this year Where is O campaigning? States that ought to be safe democrat strongholds..
Democrats are voting for Romney or staying home. Blacks are staying home. Independents are overwhelmingly for Romney. all this spells one thing: Landslide.
Remember Anthony Weiner, Pandric? He had a Jewish district. They voted in a gentile conservative over a Jewish liberal, This is New York, and the Jewish voters went GOP for the first time in 80 years.
Pandric, you are full of sh!t. Thanks for playing. Now run along. Spread your lies somewhere else.
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Bless his/her/it's heart, this pandick unit is lame.
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It doesn't fail to amaze me when people will vote for people who have openly and routinely shown that they will not work in your best interest.
In this case Jewish people, but also any black person voting democrat....the party of segregation/jimcrow/slaver/and now the welfare plantation.
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September 14:
"President Barack Obama is closing extending his lead with Jewish voters, leading among registered voters 70-25 percent according to unreleased Gallup daily tracking poll data .
The data, obtained through a Democratic source, shows Obama up from leading 64-29 in polling this spring — and on par with his 2008 performance at this point when he led 69-25 over John McCain in Gallup polling. The data is drawn from tracking polls taken between July 1 and September 10th."
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I'll never understand why people vote against their best interest.
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KC
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It doesn't fail to amaze me when people will vote for people who have openly and routinely shown that they will not work in your best interest.
In this case Jewish people, but also any black person voting democrat....the party of segregation/jimcrow/slaver/and now the welfare plantation.
I think the best way to sum that up is say that they all have Stockholm Syndrome. It is the only thing that makes sense to me. Any other argument is just insane.
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It doesn't fail to amaze me when people will vote for people who have openly and routinely shown that they will not work in your best interest.
In this case Jewish people, but also any black person voting democrat....the party of segregation/jimcrow/slaver/and now the welfare plantation.
We have supposed Catholics who think BIG BRObama can do no wrong "because he's against war and helps the poor." Although it is demonstrable that he does none of those things via his policies, and that he supports policies openly hostile to the Catholic Church, they respond "Oh you have to look at the bigger picture!"
So tossing welfare checks to "the poor," surrendering in Afghanistan, and kowtowing to Islamic radicals trump the immorality of killing babies, promoting sexual licentiousness, guaranteeing a rise in mortality among the elderly through worse health care, and stealing the financial future of America to buy votes today.
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Pandric our liberal propaganda source gets a bitch slap for printing a lie.
No one has seen this but you present it as fact. With no link to the source, its a LIE.
Pandric, doing his part to demoralize opposition voters. Sucks to be you, O will lose in a landslide.
Why? He has no new voters. Millions who voted for in in 2008 are abandoning him in 2012. They are not being replaced. Blacks are voting at 2004 levels, not at 2008 levels. No hopey/changey surge this year Where is O campaigning? States that ought to be safe democrat strongholds..
Democrats are voting for Romney or staying home. Blacks are staying home. Independents are overwhelmingly for Romney. all this spells one thing: Landslide.
Remember Anthony Weiner, Pandric? He had a Jewish district. They voted in a gentile conservative over a Jewish liberal, This is New York, and the Jewish voters went GOP for the first time in 80 years.
Pandric, you are full of sh!t. Thanks for playing. Now run along. Spread your lies somewhere else.
Mr. Mann, what do you think the Jewish vote will look like? Will Obama win by a large or small margin? Will Romney win the Jewish vote? You made some arguments that were not accompanied by a concrete explanation of what you think will happen. It would be useful to compare your prediction to the actual result. Thanks.
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Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
70% of American Joooos think Stalin and Hitler were fine fellows looking out for the best interest of the Jooooos.
Sheeesh....and I always thought Joooooos were so smart.
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Mr. Mann, what do you think the Jewish vote will look like? Will Obama win by a large or small margin? Will Romney win the Jewish vote? You made some arguments that were not accompanied by a concrete explanation of what you think will happen. It would be useful to compare your prediction to the actual result. Thanks.
First of all, I'm not answerable to trolls.
The new GOP congressman from Weiner's Jewish district is history: I suggest to Google it yourself.
But since I am a fair Mannn, here is an article you might find interesting.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/obama-polling-worse-among-jews-than-any-dem-in-32-years/
Obama reportedly scored 76 percent of the Jewish vote in 2008. Carter picked up 71 percent in 1976. By 1980, Carter was down to 45 percent. The latest polls show Obama down to 59 percent among Jews.
That simple percentage change may be enough to push New York and Florida to Romney.
Lets add to the fact that NO ONE is enthusiastic about The Presidential Boy Wonder.
Black America is no longer enthusiastic. They may not vote for Romney, but they will stay home. Polls are showing Blacks will vote at 2004 levels, not at the amazing 2008 levels. That percentage change could turn several states to Romney.
Students will stay at home, no surge there.
Women never bought the "War on Women" lie of the democrats.
Catholics are turning against Obama in large number.
Independants are overwhelmingly for Romney.
Polls that show Obama ahead are deliberately skewed by oversampling democrats. Including the one you are quoting.
Conclusion: Obama is Hemorrhaging voters from every group that supported him in 2008. those voters are not being replaced. Obama loses. Big. Not even democrat fraud will save him now.
Pandric, take your song and dance elsewhere. Its not working. 2010 should have been your first clue. The show of support for Chick Fil A should have given you another clue. America cannot wait to kick the a$$hole democrats out of congress and the White House. You lose.
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September 14:
"President Barack Obama is closing extending his lead with Jewish voters, leading among registered voters 70-25 percent according to unreleased Gallup daily tracking poll data .
The data, obtained through a Democratic source, shows Obama up from leading 64-29 in polling this spring — and on par with his 2008 performance at this point when he led 69-25 over John McCain in Gallup polling. The data is drawn from tracking polls taken between July 1 and September 10th."
Link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/obama-extends-lead-with-jewish-voters)
:rofl: :lol: :rotf: :lmao:
I just love it when these yahoos come waltzing onto a site baring their idiocy for all to see.
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:rofl: :lol: :rotf: :lmao:
I just love it when these yahoos come waltzing onto a site baring their idiocy for all to see.
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Hello, Eupher. I invite you to share with us your prediction as to how Jewish voters will vote on the Presidential elections. That way we will gather here again after the election in order to measure each other's predictive accuracy. The difference between that prediction and the actual result will be a perfect measure for idiocy regarding this issue.
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Hey Panprick, remember this?
Gallup Poll: Dukakis leads Bush by 17 points
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1901&dat=19880727&id=_gwqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jtMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4605,6773335
You're not presenting anything new. Its the same old propaganda we've all heard before.
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Hello, Eupher. I invite you to share with us your prediction as to how Jewish voters will vote on the Presidential elections. That way we will gather here again after the election in order to measure each other's predictive accuracy. The difference between that prediction and the actual result will be a perfect measure for idiocy regarding this issue.
Ya gotta love the C/P noobs who think they're sooooooo much smarter than everyone else.
Okay, no we don't. You're a ****ing tool. Hit the ****in road, Jack.
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2012_north_carolina_president
Romney +6 in North Carolina. How can that be, Pandric?
North Carolina: Romney 51%, Obama 45%
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Hey Panprick, remember this?
Gallup Poll: Dukakis leads Bush by 17 points
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1901&dat=19880727&id=_gwqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jtMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4605,6773335
You're not presenting anything new. Its the same old propaganda we've all heard before.
Mr. Mann, I sure remember that July article on the Gallup poll. I also remember another article the next month, entitled, "Bush Leads Dukakis, 48% to 44%, in Gallup Poll." http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-24/news/mn-820_1_gallup-poll
Bush went on to win by 8%.
Is your point that Gallup will be way off in the Jewish vote prediction this year?
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Why doesn't Pandric furnish the link to where he got this unreleased poll? I mean if he can get it, I am sure every MSM news org out there would want it also.
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Why doesn't Pandric furnish the link to where he got this unreleased poll? I mean if he can get it, I am sure every MSM news org out there would want it also.
I don't have a direct link, but the most widely circulated newspaper in Israel and the conservative WorldNetDaily fell for what you think is a hoax. I'll be in good company if your suspicions are proved right.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4281750,00.html
http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/gallup-70-of-u-s-jews-support-obama/?cat_orig=politics
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I don't have a direct link, but the most widely circulated newspaper in Israel and the conservative WorldNetDaily fell for what you think is a hoax. I'll be in good company if your suspicions are proved right.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4281750,00.html
http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/gallup-70-of-u-s-jews-support-obama/?cat_orig=politics
Since the WND source is the Israel news thats really only 1 source and the Israel news is poorly translated and it doesnt even list a source.
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Hello, Eupher. I invite you to share with us your prediction as to how Jewish voters will vote on the Presidential elections. That way we will gather here again after the election in order to measure each other's predictive accuracy. The difference between that prediction and the actual result will be a perfect measure for idiocy regarding this issue.
Ah, another one who says "Ready, Fire, Aim!"
C'mon, dude. How anybody in their right mind could post the trash that you just posted as support for a point of view is nothing short of idiocy.
What I think is irrelevant to the discussion. What IS relevant is your methodology in engaging in discussion.
Moronic.
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Ah, another one who says "Ready, Fire, Aim!"
C'mon, dude. How anybody in their right mind could post the trash that you just posted as support for a point of view is nothing short of idiocy.
What I think is irrelevant to the discussion. What IS relevant is your methodology in engaging in discussion.
Moronic.
What else would you expect from a Hyde Park liberal?
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What else would you expect from a Hyde Park liberal?
Why, nothing! Nothing at all!
FDR was a Hyde Park liberal. Maybe our latest chew toy is FDR's illegitimate 3rd cousin, twice removed.
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Why, nothing! Nothing at all!
FDR was a Hyde Park liberal. Maybe our latest chew toy is FDR's illegitimate 3rd cousin, twice removed.
Talk about lowering property values.
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No offense, noob--but just because someone cites a "conservative" source doesn't mean we automatically believe it.
I don't call WND "World Nuts Daily" for nothing. Even the right has their versions of Truthout, Kos, etc.
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One thing is clear: Nobody here has dared answered my question as to what they think will happen with the Jewish vote. I have asked more than one member, including Mr. Mann, and I get no answer.
The reason is self-preservation. I sense very low confidence here regarding the prospects of the Jewish vote being significantly different from 2008. If it turns out to be relatively equal, Mr. Mann et. al. will be subject to questioning as to why in the world they thought the Jewish vote will differ significantly from 2008.
I will ask one last time: Will Romney win the Jewish vote? Will Obama receive a percentage of the Jewish vote that is significantly lower than 70%? If so, how much lower?
Thanks.
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Uh oh, add the Jersusalem Post to the list of newspaper that according to some members here have been fooled by these false poll numbers: http://www.jpost.com/USPresidentialrace/Article.aspx?id=285336
Or maybe it's a conspiracy!
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One thing is clear: Nobody here has dared answered my question as to what they think will happen with the Jewish vote.
First of all: I'm not answerable to trolls.
Secondly: I did post a link that you IGNORED.
Uh oh, add the Jersusalem Post to the list of newspaper that according to some members here have been fooled by these false poll numbers: http://www.jpost.com/USPresidentialrace/Article.aspx?id=285336
Or maybe it's a conspiracy!
Or maybe you are just a troll.
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First of all: I'm not answerable to trolls.
Secondly: I did post a link that you IGNORED.Or maybe you are just a troll.
The links you posted had nothing to do with your view as to what the Jewish vote will split on the Nov. 6 elections. You linked to a North Carolina poll, for some strange reason, and to a news article many years ago of Gallup finding Dukakis well ahead (I replied by telling you that the next month Gallup had Dukakis behind).
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Do I think Romney will win the Jewish vote? It is hard to say, but I won't be surprised if it he doesn't. I don't remember the last time a Republican candidate did win the Jewish vote. Was it Reagan?
With how obama has repeatedly showed his hate for Israel and the Jewish people, it is quite posible that he 'COULD' lose it.
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With how obama has repeatedly showed his hate for Israel and the Jewish people, it is quite possible that he 'COULD' lose it.
Jews are under 2% of the population: but in certain states a few hundred unhappy Jewish voters could be the difference between Romney carrying the state or not.
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Jews are under 2% of the population: but in certain states a few hundred unhappy Jewish voters could be the difference between Romney carrying the state or not.
Yep, and I am hoping there are plenty of them in every state.
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Uh oh, add the Jersusalem Post to the list of newspaper that according to some members here have been fooled by these false poll numbers: http://www.jpost.com/USPresidentialrace/Article.aspx?id=285336
Or maybe it's a conspiracy!
Their source is the buzzfeed article, so you dont have a new source
If its not reported by any one of FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT or WaPo consider it a rumor at best
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Do I think Romney will win the Jewish vote? It is hard to say, but I won't be surprised if it he doesn't. I don't remember the last time a Republican candidate did win the Jewish vote. Was it Reagan?
With how obama has repeatedly showed his hate for Israel and the Jewish people, it is quite posible that he 'COULD' lose it.
Weve never won the Jewish vote but Reagan has the record 39%, I think Romney could get around that much.
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Their source is the buzzfeed article, so you dont have a new source
If its not reported by any one of FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT or WaPo consider it a rumor at best
lol. So the #1 newspaper in Israel, the conservative Washington Examiner and the WorldNetDaily reported this "rumor" as fact? http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-s-only-problem-with-jewish-voters-is-that-there-are-not-more-of-them
Oh yeah, I forgot the MSM sucks only depending on the situation.
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lol. So the #1 newspaper in Israel, the conservative Washington Examiner and the WorldNetDaily reported this "rumor" as fact? http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-s-only-problem-with-jewish-voters-is-that-there-are-not-more-of-them
Oh yeah, I forgot the MSM sucks only depending on the situation.
the MSM sucks for OPINION pieces for HARD NEWS they are the gold standard.
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lol. So the #1 newspaper in Israel, the conservative Washington Examiner and the WorldNetDaily reported this "rumor" as fact? http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-s-only-problem-with-jewish-voters-is-that-there-are-not-more-of-them
Oh yeah, I forgot the MSM sucks only depending on the situation.
I look at it this way: It is a non released poll. A newspaper from over seas runs the story, but no newspaper or news station here does. How is that possible? With a gap that huge, MSNBC, and the MSM would be having an hourly segment about it. With that, it is fake ...
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I look at it this way: It is a non released poll. A newspaper from over seas runs the story, but no newspaper or news station here does. How is that possible? With a gap that huge, MSNBC, and the MSM would be having an hourly segment about it. With that, it is fake ...
It's so fake, that Gallup just posted it. LOL.
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/obhtbfuuaucnnvpxtycrkw.gif)
But hey, good news! Romney has 27, not 25%!!!
Seriously. You were arguing that the top Israeli newsaper, the Worldnetdaily and the Washington Examiner were victims of the biggest hoax in the history of polling news. How likely is that? I followed common sense. You have learned your lesson.
http://pollingmatters.gallup.com/2012/09/update-obama-vs-romney-by-religious.html
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It's so fake, that Gallup just posted it. LOL.
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/obhtbfuuaucnnvpxtycrkw.gif)
But hey, good news! Romney has 27, not 25%!!!
Seriously. You were arguing that the top Israeli newsaper, the Worldnetdaily and the Washington Examiner were victims of the biggest hoax in the history of polling news. How likely is that? I followed common sense. You have learned your lesson.
http://pollingmatters.gallup.com/2012/09/update-obama-vs-romney-by-religious.html
Gallop is Pro-Big Ears; I don't follow them...
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Gallop is Pro-Big Ears; I don't follow them...
Nothing to worry about. The report is fake. Remember?
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Nothing to worry about. The report is fake. Remember?
Yep, because just like the rest of the MSM, Gallop is over sampling Dems to make obama look like the winner. Which is why I don't follow the polls.
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Yep, because just like the rest of the MSM, Gallop is over sampling Dems to make obama look like the winner. Which is why I don't follow the polls.
What should the sample be like?
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What should the sample be like?
If they are sampling three groups (Independents, Dems, and Repubs), it should be 33% across the board. They been over sampling Dems by margins of 11%+. Which is a con.
The thing you have to look at with that is that even with the over sampling, obama is only a 1 or 2 points ahead in a national poll. That tells you that Captain Zero is in trouble.
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What should the sample be like?
What do you think it should be like to show an accurate assessment?
Were you born ****ing stupid or did you have to practice at it?
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If they are sampling three groups (Independents, Dems, and Repubs), it should be 33% across the board. They been over sampling Dems by margins of 11%+. Which is a con.
The thing you have to look at with that is that even with the over sampling, obama is only a 1 or 2 points ahead in a national poll. That tells you that Captain Zero is in trouble.
For the love of Pete... Stop feeding the damn troll.
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What do you think it should be like to show an accurate assessment?
Were you born ****ing stupid or did you have to practice at it?
With a question like Pandric asked, I am thinking he agrees with over sampling Dems.
For the love of Pete... Stop feeding the damn troll.
I am just trying to be civil. :popcorn:
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With a question like Pandric asked, I am thinking he agrees with over sampling Dems.
I am just trying to be civil. :popcorn:
Yeah well... You can take your civil, fold into sharp corners and shove it up your...
LOL...
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If they are sampling three groups (Independents, Dems, and Repubs), it should be 33% across the board.
33% independents, what are you smoking?
in 00 and 04 the independents were at 26% and the hope and change of 08 inspired them to turn out at 29%
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33% independents, what are you smoking?
in 00 and 04 the independents were at 26% and the hope and change of 08 inspired them to turn out at 29%
It is called making it fair. If there aren't 33% independents, they should sample whatever percentage of independents there are, and adjust the sample number of Repubs and Dems to even it out. Not over sample one party over another.
Note: There is a greater percentage of registered independents now than there was in 00, 04, and 08.
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It is called making it fair. If there aren't 33% independents, they should sample whatever percentage of independents there are, and adjust the sample number of Repubs and Dems to even it out. Not over sample one party over another.
Note: There is a greater percentage of registered independents now than there was in 00, 04, and 08.
Its not about "fairness" its about the truth and making a poll that will reflect who will show up in November. There just arent as many independents out there as republicans and democrats. You can do a phone poll and get a lot of independents but they dont show to the the poll that matters, the voting booth.
Here are the independent numbers since Reagan converted the "Reagan democrats" from independents to republicans
1976: 41%
1980: 23%
1984: 26%
1988: 26%
1992: 27%
1996: 22%
2000: 26%
2008: 26%
2009: 29%
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Its not about "fairness" its about the truth and making a poll that will reflect who will show up in November. There just arent as many independents out there as republicans and democrats. You can do a phone poll and get a lot of independents but they dont show to the the poll that matters, the voting booth.
Here are the independent numbers since Reagan converted the "Reagan democrats" from independents to republicans
1976: 41%
1980: 23%
1984: 26%
1988: 26%
1992: 27%
1996: 22%
2000: 26%
2008: 26%
2009: 29%
Either way you look at it, though; you can't over sample one party affiliation over another.
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Either way you look at it, though; you can't over sample one party affiliation over another.
Well you can because democrats usually out number republicans
1984: D +3
1988: D +2
1992: D +3
1996: D +5
2000: D +4
2004: tie
2008: D +7
The problem is 2008 is obviously an outlier as far as turnouts go and most of the lesser polling agencies are using that model. Which is why Gallup and Rasmussen show a much tighter race than the less accomplished pollsters.
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Well you can because democrats usually out number republicans
1984: D +3
1988: D +2
1992: D +3
1996: D +5
2000: D +4
2004: tie
2008: D +7
The problem is 2008 is obviously an outlier as far as turnouts go and most of the lesser polling agencies are using that model. Which is why Gallup and Rasmussen show a much tighter race than the less accomplished pollsters.
With that being the case, the polls will always be skewed to make the Dem look like the winner. It makes me glad that I don't follow them.
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Well, pandric is in for a big shock when Jewish voters show up to the polls angry about what happened at the DNC.
I won't hold my breath. Blacks have been screwed for decades by them, yet they'll turn up in record numbers to re-elect the fool. American Jews =/= Israeli Jews. American Jews don't have to fear that their nation will be nuked and wiped off the face of the planet by Iran.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong, I'll accept any rational reason why you think so. If not, I guess we'll just have to wait for November.
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I won't hold my breath. Blacks have been screwed for decades by them, yet they'll turn up in record numbers to re-elect the fool. American Jews =/= Israeli Jews. American Jews don't have to fear that their nation will be nuked and wiped off the face of the planet by Iran.
Precisely, and yet you can find leftist pacifist Israelis in Israel, despite the historical facts that appeasement and kowtowing to radicals of any kind simply feeds the hunger. The extremists see any such behavior as a weakness inviting an attack and destruction.
As an example of the irrationality of Israeli pacifists:
Israeli director and actor Juliano Mer-Khamis was killed by a terrorist last week. Mer had chosen Jenin to build his utopia of tolerance. His life and death is the biggest tragedy of modern pacifism. The Islamists made no secret of their hostility to the “deviant†art of Mer-Khamis, who liked to call himself “100% Jew and 100% Palestinian.â€...
...(his)Jewish mother was a pacifist icon, Arna Mer, who during the Intifada went to Jenin to create the “Theater of the Stonesâ€, an experimental group for Palestinian children where Mer-Khamis also worked.
Arna Mer won the “Alternative Nobel Prize†given annually by the Swedish Parliament to humanitarian activists. She preferred to be called “Palestinian,†not Jew or Israeli. She was arrested several times during riots protesting Israeli policy in the Territories. She said that “Zionism is a racist ideology.â€
Yet all of Mer-Khamis' pacifism, idealism and radicalism did not protect him from the genocidal ideology that Israel had to confront since its foundation.
Throwing daisies at a fanatic's rifle means you'll be pushing those daisies later.
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I won't hold my breath. Blacks have been screwed for decades by them, yet they'll turn up in record numbers to re-elect the fool. American Jews =/= Israeli Jews. American Jews don't have to fear that their nation will be nuked and wiped off the face of the planet by Iran.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong, I'll accept any rational reason why you think so. If not, I guess we'll just have to wait for November.
The dems almost always play homage to the blacks just before election time. They'll let Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson speak at convention or whatever. Plus Obama is half-black himself. So you're right the blacks will come out in force. However, they've never snubbed the head of Israel this close to a U.S. election before. It was incredibly rude and got some press. I'm hoping, in Florida at least, they are Jew first, democrat second.