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The Bar => Sports => Topic started by: NHSparky on August 25, 2012, 12:29:57 PM
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Discuss.
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:rotf:
The Pats will rue the day they got the Colts removed from the AFC East.
They have been getting softer ever since.
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First is the Steelers, Second is the Pats. I love both teams. But will always go for the Steelers first. :-)
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:tongue: pbbbllltttt . . . AFC -- forever posers . . .
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Discuss.
Stolen!
Hate the Pats and Brady The only thing good about the whole team is Robert Kraft. Hope they meet The Giants in the Superbowl again.
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The Broncos aspiring to be anyone's bitch...
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The Broncos aspiring to be anyone's bitch...
18-1. That's STILL gotta suck, doesn't it?
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18-1. That's STILL gotta suck, doesn't it?
Nope.
How many Brady shirts you own now Sparky?
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Nope.
How many Brady shirts you own now Sparky?
500 sheets per roll.
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500 sheets per roll.
:lol:
I atually don't care for Brady. He comes off as arrogant!!!
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Oooo, he's so tuff . . . :whatever:
(http://www.bostoncondoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/TomBrady-1.jpg)
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Oooo, he's so tuff . . . :whatever:
(http://www.bostoncondoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/TomBrady-1.jpg)
One of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL .... Next to Ben of course :-)
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One of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL .... Next to Ben of course :-)
yeah, one knocks up his girlfriend and leaves her and the other chases (and "catches") young women. I'm sorry Duh Ben went to Miami Ohio.
And for the record, I hate Vick, too. My "7" jersey has Jaworski on the back of it. Can't wait until we find a decent QB!
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yeah, one knocks up his girlfriend and leaves her and the other chases (and "catches") young women. I'm sorry Duh Ben went to Miami Ohio.
And for the record, I hate Vick, too. My "7" jersey has Jaworski on the back of it. Can't wait until we find a decent QB!
Ben got married last summer and had his first child a couple of months ago. I don't see him chasing women. :thatsright:
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Marriage doesn't always calm down womanizers.
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One of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL .... Next to Ben of course :-)
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Sure, one of the greatest... :sarcasm:
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Marriage doesn't always calm down womanizers.
Or those who commit assault
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Marriage doesn't always calm down womanizers.
This is true, but them some it does. And you can tell the people it does also. Looking at Ben, he is more content, and happy.
(http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/win-mcnamee-1.jpg%3Fw%3D420)
Sure, one of the greatest... :sarcasm:
:lmao: :lmao:
All seriousness, I am still a little upset at the Pats for the way dropped Bledsoe. Other than that, I still root for them, second.
Or those who commit assault
There was no proof. And a couple of the girls admitted they lied. When people show me proof that any assault happen, I will change my tone. Until then, I will call it all what it is, BS.
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There was no proof. And a couple of the girls admitted they lied. When people show me proof that any assault happen, I will change my tone. Until then, I will call it all what it is, BS.
They got themselves some Benjamins, Kyle. It happens . . .
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They got themselves some Benjamins, Kyle. It happens . . .
There is no proof, and there was no jury convicting him. I feel the only crime he committed was the crime of trusting people he shouldn't have. Which is why I understand why he doesn't go out in the public that much anymore (unless it is something to do with the Steelers).
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There is no proof, and there was no jury convicting him. I feel the only crime he committed was the crime of trusting people he shouldn't have. Which is why I understand why he doesn't go out in the public that much anymore (unless it is something to do with the Steelers).
Or something written into his contract, just in case . . .
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Or something written into his contract, just in case . . .
That is quite possible. After seeing how he was being accused before. I would think that would be a smart move.
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That is quite possible. After seeing how he was being accused before. I would think that would be a smart move.
He's probably not allowed to ride a crotch rocket anymore, either . . .
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He's probably not allowed to ride a crotch rocket anymore, either . . .
Actually, he isn't. That was put in his contract as well. That wreck he was in scared a lot of people. But then having a clause like that is normal in sports contracts.
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Actually, he isn't. That was put in his contract as well. That wreck he was in scared a lot of people. But then having a clause like that is normal in sports contracts.
We'll see ya Week 5 at ketchup field, probably with our backup QB starting as Vick will have 3 broken ribs, a cracked hip and various other damage by that time . . . :argh:
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Sure, one of the greatest... :sarcasm:
Personally, I like this picture:
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Personally, I like this picture:
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:fuelfire:
HIGH-****IN-5 !!! :fuelfire:
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(http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/win-mcnamee-1.jpg%3Fw%3D420)
Sure, one of the greatest... :sarcasm:
He is one of the greatest, and if he wins another SB he will be the greatest.
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He is one of the greatest, and if he wins another SB he will be the greatest.
Or he could lose two more to tie Jim Kelly for SB losses... :fuelfire:
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All seriousness, I am still a little upset at the Pats for the way dropped Bledsoe.
Um. What?
Mo Lewis is a freakin hero here.
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Or he could lose two more to tie Jim Kelly for SB losses... :fuelfire:
Doesn't negate his wins and MVPs.
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500 sheets per roll.
I swear to God don't be surprised if I pop up to NH one of these Sundays to catch you with the full head to toe Patriots gear on.... I'll have the camera ready. Wait for it.
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:lol:
I atually don't care for Brady. He comes off as arrogant!!!
Arrogant? Brady?
:rofl:
He turned into a pansy. Then he finally cut his damn hair. The jury is still out, but I actually have high hopes for this season.
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Um. What?
Mo Lewis is a freakin hero here.
The way they dumped Drew Bledsoe. Brady came in and they dropped Bledsoe like a canker sore. I understand not needing two good QB's, but with what Bledsoe did for the team. You would think that they would handle it better than they did.
He is one of the greatest, and if he wins another SB he will be the greatest.
New England only won three super bowls. Steelers won six :fuelfire:
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He is one of the greatest, and if he wins another SB he will be the greatest.
And all that stands in his way, all that has stood in his way, is Eli Manning. Baby brother.
Oh, that's gotta SUCK....
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The way they dumped Drew Bledsoe. Brady came in and they dropped Bledsoe like a canker sore. I understand not needing two good QB's, but with what Bledsoe did for the team. You would think that they would handle it better than they did.
What did Bledsoe do for the team? I must have been sleeping that year.
New England only won three super bowls. Steelers won six :fuelfire:
With the same QB? in the same decade? :yawn:
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And all that stands in his way, all that has stood in his way, is Eli Manning. Baby brother.
Oh, that's gotta SUCK....
You sniffing some serious crack if you equate those Giant wins to Eli. The difference between Brady and Eli is that Brady actually earned his MVPs.
Hey, I have been less than pleased with his dedication to the game since he met Yoko Ono jr., but I won't deny him the accolades he has earned and deserves.
Eli Manning is no Tom Brady. Lipstick, pig and all that. Hell, Eli isn't even his brother when you are talking talent.
It was two great Giants teams that won those SBs. Claiming anything else is revisionist history. Period.
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You sniffing some serious crack if you equate those Giant wins to Eli. The difference between Brady and Eli is that Brady actually earned his MVPs.
Hey, I have been less than pleased with his dedication to the game since he met Yoko Ono jr., but I won't deny him the accolades he has earned and deserves.
Eli Manning is no Tom Brady. Lipstick, pig and all that. Hell, Eli isn't even his brother when you are talking talent.
It was two great Giants teams that won those SBs. Claiming anything else is revisionist history. Period.
Its funny that the whole world gives Eli no credit. My sons blog http://www.giants101.com/ has a weekly "poor Eli" column thats quotes all the newscasters bashing Eli no matter what his numbers are! By the way his numbers are almost always on par or above all the "best quarterbacks" in the league.
All one has to do is to go to Giants training camp in Albany and watch Eli with his receivers and see his work ethic to understand why he should be recognized as one of the best. I do and I am a big Eli fan. Got a few autographed footballs too! One more Superbowl MVP to tie Joe Montana! That's elite! Coming up!
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Its funny that the whole world gives Eli no credit. My sons blog http://www.giants101.com/ has a weekly "poor Eli" column thats quotes all the newscasters bashing Eli no matter what his numbers are! By the way his numbers are almost always on par or above all the "best quarterbacks" in the league.
All one has to do is to go to Giants training camp in Albany and watch Eli with his receivers and see his work ethic to understand why he should be recognized as one of the best. I do and I am a big Eli fan. Got a few autographed footballs too! One more Superbowl MVP to tie Joe Montana! That's elite! Coming up!
I watched the games. The first SB win was a sub-par pathetic performance by a QB. Harrison swats the ball away, and Samuel doesn't drop the ball and Eli is a loser. Giants defense won that game hands down and deserved the MVP.
The last SB? Eli played well, but Peyton well? no. Sorry. I am going to need vats of Koolaid to believe that nonsense. I loathe all things Manning, but will be the first to tell you Peyton Manning is an extremely talented QB. His brother doesn't rank in that level of talent.
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You sniffing some serious crack if you equate those Giant wins to Eli. The difference between Brady and Eli is that Brady actually earned his MVPs.
Hey, I have been less than pleased with his dedication to the game since he met Yoko Ono jr., but I won't deny him the accolades he has earned and deserves.
Eli Manning is no Tom Brady. Lipstick, pig and all that. Hell, Eli isn't even his brother when you are talking talent.
It was two great Giants teams that won those SBs. Claiming anything else is revisionist history. Period.
So you saying you're gonna take those rings away from Eli? Okay, let me know how that goes.
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With the same QB? in the same decade? :yawn:
The first four, yes.
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So you saying you're gonna take those rings away from Eli? Okay, let me know how that goes.
Where did I even infer that?
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What did Bledsoe do for the team? I must have been sleeping that year.
With the same QB? in the same decade? :yawn:
I hear they threw Drew in the Mosh pit at the FoxyLady and they threw him back! :rotf:
But seriously folk I'll be here all week. Remember, be kind to the waitstaff. :rimshot:
I had a rabid Pats fan co worker years ago who would tell ya, "Grogan 'll get 'em next week", every Monday morning. I almost made him cry ( ok, maybe I did make him cry) when I told him Bledsoe was a hack who probably wore women's linen and that Flute at half his size would always be twice the qb. He was so upset he wouldn't speak to me for weeks. :rotf: Which was not all that great a loss.
And I mean how can you still support a team which goes 16-0 in the regular season? :sarcasm: How many teams out there can claim that?
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - The Patriots started their season with a 38-14 victory at Giants Stadium Sept. 9. Last night, 112 days later, they ended it with a win at Giants Stadium, perfect symmetry for a perfect regular season.
By dispatching the New York Giants, 38-35, the Patriots produced the first 16-0 regular season in NFL history - the league switched to 16 games in 1978 - and became just the fourth team in league history to go through the regular season undefeated, joining the 1972 Miami Dolphins and the 1934 and 1942 Chicago Bears.
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Hi guys! I never come into the Sports section. But, do you know this guy, Trevor Scott of the New England Patriots?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Scott
He's my nephew-in-law. (My husband's nephew). That's all. :cheersmate:
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I watched the games. The first SB win was a sub-par pathetic performance by a QB. Harrison swats the ball away, and Samuel doesn't drop the ball and Eli is a loser. Giants defense won that game hands down and deserved the MVP.
The last SB? Eli played well, but Peyton well? no. Sorry. I am going to need vats of Koolaid to believe that nonsense. I loathe all things Manning, but will be the first to tell you Peyton Manning is an extremely talented QB. His brother doesn't rank in that level of talent.
Sorry I had to let my son respond to your Eli hatred. Here it is. Hold on!
The "what if" this and "what if" that mentality spreads like wildfire. If Steve Smith doesn't drop a pass early in the game, resulting in an interception, the Giants go in for a score then and don't need the miraculous comeback, led by their now two-time Super Bowl MVP. If David Tyree, who saves himself at a later point on his helmet catch, doesn't run the wrong route on that final drive, your "what if" scenario doesn't happen either.
Playing the "what if" card is really pointless when it comes to these kind of debates. What if a UFO hovered over the stadium and anally probed Tom Brady? What if Bill Belichick hadn't been caught cheating and was filming the Giants' practices the week prior?
The focus is on what was. And in Super Bowl XLII, what was, was Eli Manning leading his team down the field in crunch time, connecting with Plaxico Burress for the game-winning score ... defeating the then undefeated New England Patriots.
Bottom line? That's cold hard facts, baby. And nothing that can be disputed.
Moving on, in Super Bowl XLVI, Eli did outplay Peyton in comparison to his previous Super Bowl appearance. Moreover, I'm not saying Eli is a better player than Peyton historically, but I am saying he's a more clutch quarterback than Peyton ... and the numbers back that up.
First, let's take a look at the 2001 regular season and the numbers.
On 88.5% of his dropbacks (minimum 100 dropbacks), Manning escaped pressure - giving him the highest escape rate in the NFL.
Eli was under pressure 220 times, more than any other QB in the league by 15 pressures. He led the NFL in completion percentage under those pressures.
And the records set by Eli in 2011? Where to begin?
Most 4th quarter touchdowns in a single season (15) in NFL history. Most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219) in NFL history. Most road playoff wins (7) in NFL history. And the 6th most passing yards (4,933) in a single season in NFL history.
The last one, by the way, is more yards than Peyton has ever thrown for.
Finally, Super Bowl XLVI and MVP #2.
Manning starts the games with the most completions (9) in NFL history, and ends the day 30 of 40 for no turnovers.
Oh, and lest we not forget that throw to Mario Manningham on the last drive. Words can't do it justice...just watch the tape. It is one of the greatest throws by any quarterback in recent memory.
So, really? Koolaid? Someone is drinking something, but it's not Koolaid. It's bitter hateraid.
Easy-E is the most dominating clutch quarterback in NFL history and under pressure, and that's not just because I say so ... it's because the numbers say so.
Change 2001 to 2011. That was a typo
And here's a correction to this section:
Manning starts the games with the most consecutive completions (9) in NFL history, and ends the day 30 of 40 with no turnovers.
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And I know this is gonna be spun by FL, but here goes:
How'd that pillow fight--whoops, GAME--last night go? And don't tell me it doesn't count because it's preseason, or that most of the starters sat out, etc....
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And I know this is gonna be spun by FL, but here goes:
How'd that pillow fight--whoops, GAME--last night go? And don't tell me it doesn't count because it's preseason, or that most of the starters sat out, etc....
That was a snooze fest. I didn't even watch the end. How did it turn out? It was tied when I switched off with about three minutes left in the fourth. :whistling:
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He is one of the greatest, and if he wins another SB he will be the greatest.
Joe Montana is 4-0 in Superbowls as is Terry Bradshaw. Last I checked, Brady is 3-2. I'd hold your talk about Brady being "greatest". Peyton Manning has better numbers than Tom Brady. A Superbowl isn't a singular award.
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Last night was a punting contest!
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Last night was a punting contest!
I'd like to buy you son a beer, or two, or three!!!!! :cheersmate:
I'm an Ole Miss fan and have followed Eli for over a decade. I made the Giants my 2nd team after he arrived there but Ole Miss and the Giants seem to have had a connection with one another dating back to the Chuck Conerly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Conerly) days. I'm a Saints fan first though.
The Pats seem to also love our little running backs.
BTW, that means 3 championships were quarterbacked by 2 Ole Miss QBs. :-)
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Joe Montana is 4-0 in Superbowls as is Terry Bradshaw. Last I checked, Brady is 3-2. I'd hold your talk about Brady being "greatest". Peyton Manning has better numbers than Tom Brady. A Superbowl isn't a singular award.
Every one you mentioned is either HOF, or will be first ballot HOF. That said It'd be hard to beat Joe Montana, although his replacement Steve Young was no slouch.
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I'd like to buy you son a beer, or two, or three!!!!! :cheersmate:
I'm an Ole Miss fan and have followed Eli for over a decade. I made the Giants my 2nd team after he arrived there but Ole Miss and the Giants seem to have had a connection with one another dating back to the Chuck Conerly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Conerly) days. I'm a Saints fan first though.
The Pats seem to also love our little running backs.
BTW, that means 3 championships were quarterbacked by 2 Ole Miss QBs. :-)
He knows his Giants and he likes beer. We think Eli will be a HOF quarterback.
Think we stole Steve Weatherford from The Saints? He has been sending em. Think he won the contest last night.
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Joe Montana is 4-0 in Superbowls as is Terry Bradshaw. Last I checked, Brady is 3-2. I'd hold your talk about Brady being "greatest". Peyton Manning has better numbers than Tom Brady. A Superbowl isn't a singular award.
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Joe Montana had Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, Deon Sanders.... All pro tight end. All pro wide receiver. HOF tight end. HOF wide receiver. HOF running back. GREAT, amazingly fantastic players.
Terry Bradshaw had Franco Harris - an extremely powerful running game, and Lynn Swann.
Brady had who again? That's right.
Next.
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Sorry I had to let my son respond to your Eli hatred. Here it is. Hold on!
The "what if" this and "what if" that mentality spreads like wildfire. If Steve Smith doesn't drop a pass early in the game, resulting in an interception, the Giants go in for a score then and don't need the miraculous comeback, led by their now two-time Super Bowl MVP. If David Tyree, who saves himself at a later point on his helmet catch, doesn't run the wrong route on that final drive, your "what if" scenario doesn't happen either.
Playing the "what if" card is really pointless when it comes to these kind of debates. What if a UFO hovered over the stadium and anally probed Tom Brady? What if Bill Belichick hadn't been caught cheating and was filming the Giants' practices the week prior?
The focus is on what was. And in Super Bowl XLII, what was, was Eli Manning leading his team down the field in crunch time, connecting with Plaxico Burress for the game-winning score ... defeating the then undefeated New England Patriots.
Bottom line? That's cold hard facts, baby. And nothing that can be disputed.
Moving on, in Super Bowl XLVI, Eli did outplay Peyton in comparison to his previous Super Bowl appearance. Moreover, I'm not saying Eli is a better player than Peyton historically, but I am saying he's a more clutch quarterback than Peyton ... and the numbers back that up.
First, let's take a look at the 2001 regular season and the numbers.
On 88.5% of his dropbacks (minimum 100 dropbacks), Manning escaped pressure - giving him the highest escape rate in the NFL.
Eli was under pressure 220 times, more than any other QB in the league by 15 pressures. He led the NFL in completion percentage under those pressures.
And the records set by Eli in 2011? Where to begin?
Most 4th quarter touchdowns in a single season (15) in NFL history. Most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219) in NFL history. Most road playoff wins (7) in NFL history. And the 6th most passing yards (4,933) in a single season in NFL history.
The last one, by the way, is more yards than Peyton has ever thrown for.
Finally, Super Bowl XLVI and MVP #2.
Manning starts the games with the most completions (9) in NFL history, and ends the day 30 of 40 for no turnovers.
Oh, and lest we not forget that throw to Mario Manningham on the last drive. Words can't do it justice...just watch the tape. It is one of the greatest throws by any quarterback in recent memory.
So, really? Koolaid? Someone is drinking something, but it's not Koolaid. It's bitter hateraid.
Easy-E is the most dominating clutch quarterback in NFL history and under pressure, and that's not just because I say so ... it's because the numbers say so.
Change 2001 to 2011. That was a typo
And here's a correction to this section:
Manning starts the games with the most consecutive completions (9) in NFL history, and ends the day 30 of 40 with no turnovers.
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Ok, just kidding --- :rofl:
OMG, my sides hurt. Hateraid. Good stuff, and good times.
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And I know this is gonna be spun by FL, but here goes:
How'd that pillow fight--whoops, GAME--last night go? And don't tell me it doesn't count because it's preseason, or that most of the starters sat out, etc....
Giants played their starters, Pats play no one but scrubs (ALL of their starters sat out).
Spinning a preseason game? that's just sad Sparky. tsk. tsk.
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FL I don't know what kind of writers they have here as I don't read it but you might like it? If you log in once in a while you would be helping my boy reach his goal of being in the 1%!
Patriots101 (http://www.patriots101.com/)
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:rofl:
Joe Montana had Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, Deon Sanders.... All pro tight end. All pro wide receiver. HOF tight end. HOF wide receiver. HOF running back. GREAT, amazingly fantastic players.
Terry Bradshaw had Franco Harris - an extremely powerful running game, and Lynn Swann.
Brady had who again? That's right.
Next.
Randy Moss, Deion Branch (Super Bowl MVP, IIRC), Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Corey Dillon, Troy Brown, and of course, let's not forget about Adam Vinateri...m'kay?
And you call yourself a Patriots fan? Seriously?
Next.
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Randy Moss, Deion Branch (Super Bowl MVP, IIRC), Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Corey Dillon, Troy Brown, and of course, let's not forget about Adam Vinateri...m'kay?
And you call yourself a Patriots fan? Seriously?
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Oh I see. Aside from Randy Moss who is one of the best, and Vinateri, these players are the equivalent of HOF players mentioned BUT Brady ain't Montana or Bradshaw (and FYI - I have never heard ANYONE ever say Bradshaw is better than Brady before, but whatever).
Jerry Rice is the best wide receiver who ever played the game. Seriously? and you call yourself an NFL fan?
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FL I don't know what kind of writers they have here as I don't read it but you might like it? If you log in once in a while you would be helping my boy reach his goal of being in the 1%!
Patriots101 (http://www.patriots101.com/)
? I don't understand. Is this his blog?
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(http://celebslists.com/images/jerry-rice-01.jpg)
Jerry Rice ain't got nada nothin' on Deion Branch baby. Word.
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[dream sequence] Tom Brady has Steel Curtain and Jerry Rice.... 8 superbowls, 8 undefeated seasons.....[/dream sequence]
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Oh I see. Aside from Randy Moss who is one of the best, and Vinateri, these players are the equivalent of HOF players mentioned BUT Brady ain't Montana or Bradshaw (and FYI - I have never heard ANYONE ever say Bradshaw is better than Brady before, but whatever).
Jerry Rice is the best wide receiver who ever played the game. Seriously? and you call yourself an NFL fan?
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You're trying to bullshit us into believing the Tom Brady is the only reason the Pats have three rings, and as such, should be immediately canonized for his saintly abilities.
And I'll say it. Bradshaw WAS better than Brady. Brady isn't even the best quarterback in the AFC. He MAY have had more success, but when you drop back and chuck it 40 times a game (actually only a slight exaggeration--Brady's career average is 33.0 attempts per game) because you have zip point shit for running backs (with the exception of Dillon who was on the tail end of his career) and "gonna go veh-ti-cah" like some East Coast version of that dead crusty bastard Al Davis, then yeah, he's good, even HOF material, but by no means is he the best quarterback ever, and I'll go so far as to say he isn't even the best quarterback of his era.
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You're trying to bullshit us into believing the Tom Brady is the only reason the Pats have three rings, and as such, should be immediately canonized for his saintly abilities.
And I'll say it. Bradshaw WAS better than Brady. Brady isn't even the best quarterback in the AFC. He MAY have had more success, but when you drop back and chuck it 40 times a game (actually only a slight exaggeration--Brady's career average is 33.0 attempts per game) because you have zip point shit for running backs (with the exception of Dillon who was on the tail end of his career) and "gonna go veh-ti-cah" like some East Coast version of that dead crusty bastard Al Davis, then yeah, he's good, even HOF material, but by no means is he the best quarterback ever, and I'll go so far as to say he isn't even the best quarterback of his era.
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Jeez, if Brady has to drop back and throw the ball 40 times a game because he has no RBs then of course he is no where near as good as Bradshaw who had a HOF, SB MVP RB Franco Harris... of course, of course.... I see that ****ed up twisted logic now!!!
Now that you put it that way.... :whatever:
Brady is HOF. Besides Vinateri, you are going to have to point out the HOF players on those Pats teams. Pats defense = steel curtain? Oh yeah, ab-so-freakin-lutely.
Pats win without Brady? no, and HELL no. I love those Pats teams, but I deal in the world of reality. You not so much it appears.
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Brady's offensive line deserves HOF status.
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(http://celebslists.com/images/jerry-rice-01.jpg)
Jerry Rice ain't got nada nothin' on Deion Branch baby. Word.
Right now, Deion Branch ain't got shit.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000056962/article/deion-branch-brian-hoyer-cut-by-new-england-patriots
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Trivia - Who was Montana's backup? Young. Montana goes down, do they win?
I report, you decide.
As for Tommy, a little NFL history:
Posted: February 2, 2004
Super Bowl XXXVIII MVP: Tom Brady
SuperBowl.com wire reports
HOUSTON (Feb. 1, 2004) -- Two late, winning Super Bowl drives in three seasons. Two Super Bowl MVP awards in three seasons.
Can there be any doubt now that Tom Brady is one of the great quarterbacks in NFL history?
I don't think so.
Great quarterbacks give their best performances in the biggest games, and that was exactly what Brady did. Twice. In Super Bowl XXXVI, he marched the Patriots to the winning points against the St. Louis Rams. In Super Bowl XXXVIII, he marched the Patriots to the winning points against the Carolina Panthers.
Think about how incredible that is. It's the sort of stuff that has elevated players to Pro Football Hall of Fame status. And the kid is only 26 years old.
Yet, once again, Brady was so cool and so poised beyond his years. He was everything a top-notch, championship-level quarterback needs to be.
You could base that opinion on Brady's numbers alone: 32 completions in 48 attempts for 354 yards and three touchdowns. The 32 completions broke a Super Bowl record that Jim Kelly had set at 31 in Super Bowl XXVIII against Dallas.
But Brady's excellence went well beyond numbers. For the second time in three Super Bowls, he came through in the most pressure-filled of situations one can face in football -- or in any sport for that matter.
For one thing, he did not lose his cool after suffering an interception in the end zone that allowed the Panthers to make a stunning, 90-yard scoring march that gave them their first lead of the game -- 22-21 -- with 6:53 left in the fourth quarter.
For another, when the Patriots got a huge break when John Kasay sent a kickoff out of bounds that started them on their 40 with 1:08 remaining, he just tossed completion after completion against one of the NFL's best defenses. The 37-yard drive put them in position to score their 15th consecutive victory, which Adam Vinatieri delivered with his winning 41-yard field goal.
"Who would you rather have running a two-minute drive than Tom Brady?" Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis said. "I'll take him 10 times out of 10 times."
Me, too.
Brady took some big hits, but never went down, giving the Patriots zero sacks for the postseason. He threw touchdowns to a pair of wide receivers, Deion Branch and David Givens, and to linebacker Mike Vrabel. He played like a champion and celebrated like a champion, giving credit, as usual, to everyone but himself.
"To win this, the way we did it, is just incredible," Brady said. "Just a great, all-around game."
But Brady deserves all of the credit he can get. He can be mentioned in the same sentence as some of the all-time greats, including his boyhood idol, Joe Montana.
And give credit to Panthers quarterback Jake Delhomme, who also passed for 300 yards. In fact, it was only the second time in Super Bowl history both quarterbacks amassed 300 yards. The first time was Montana and Dan Marino in Super Bowl XIX.
Conventional wisdom suggested this game would be dominated by defense, and in the beginning it was. When the Patriots scored the game's first touchdown, with 3:05 left in the second quarter, it marked the latest first score in Super Bowl history.
After the first quarter, Delhomme had completed 1 of 6 passes for 1 yard. After five series, the Panthers had zero net yards of total offense. After the game's first 20 plays, the Panthers had minus-7 yards in total offense.
But just when it seemed as if the Patriots had built an impenetrable wall in front of Carolina, Delhomme got hot. The Patriots ended up allowing three offensive touchdowns of 33 or more yards, including an 85-yard touchdown pass from Delhomme to Muhsin Muhammad that was the longest play from scrimmage in Super Bowl history.
Then Brady got a little hotter. And with the Super Bowl on the line for the second time in three years, he gave the Patriots the clutch work they needed.
"Tom's going to be mentioned with the better quarterbacks playing now and in the past," Patriots coach Bill Belichick said. "You can't deny his production. He's a winner. He does what he needs to do to help the team win, and he does it as well as anybody."
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history/mvp/sbxxxviii
Another clutch performance by Tom Brady appeared worthy of a third MVP award for the quarterback, but voters may have been swayed by the weight of history. Branch led all receivers with 11 receptions for 133 yards. His 11th catch in the third quarter tied him with Jerry Rice and Dan Ross for the most receptions in a single Super Bowl. It also gave him a combined 21 receptions in two Super Bowls, setting another record.
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history/mvp/sbxxxix
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Right now, Deion Branch ain't got shit.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000056962/article/deion-branch-brian-hoyer-cut-by-new-england-patriots
Branch is NOT, and never has been, in the same league as Jerry Rice.
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Brady's offensive line deserves HOF status.
Light, Mankins.
The change over has been tremendous. I love all those guys don't get me wrong. However you have to give Brady his due.
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? I don't understand. Is this his blog?
He is COO of sportsmedia101.com He started his blog Giants101.com and is franchising the 101.com name and managing the writers of the others. Something like that? You know the brains skip a generation and he's the smart one! He is working very hard trying to make it big. They have some investors looking now. also if anyone fancy's their self a sportswriter and their team don't have a 101 blog yet its open.
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He is COO of sportsmedia101.com He started his blog Giants101.com and is franchising the 101.com name and managing the writers of the others. Something like that? You know the brains skip a generation and he's the smart one! He is working very hard trying to make it big. They have some investors looking now. also if anyone fancy's their self a sportswriter and their team don't have a 101 blog yet its open.
Ah ok. Good for him!
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And how did they do without Brady in 2008, pray tell?
11-5, IIRC?
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And how did they do without Brady in 2008, pray tell?
11-5, IIRC?
Dude, they didn't even make the playoffs.
Next.
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I will say while Josh McDaniels was a fail as a head coach, he is a great QB coach - as evidenced with what he was able to do with Cassel.
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Dude, they didn't even make the playoffs.
Next.
On the SECOND tiebreaker. And again, whose fault is that?
Of course, you conveniently forget that the following year they finish 10-6, but make the playoffs. Seems to me they also finished 10-6 in 2005 and made the playoffs then...oh, who was it they lost to, who could that have possibly been???
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I will say while Josh McDaniels was a fail as a head coach, he is a great QB coach - as evidenced with what he was able to do with Cassel.
Seems to me Cassel did better still in KC--IIRC, he didn't make the Pro Bowl as a member of the Pats.
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On the SECOND tiebreaker. And again, whose fault is that?
Of course, you conveniently forget that the following year they finish 10-6, but make the playoffs. Seems to me they also finished 10-6 in 2005 and made the playoffs then...oh, who was it they lost to, who could that have possibly been???
Uh, the OTHER teams, opponents, and just general things like "Gosh the NFC sucks this year" type of happenings would have something to do with the league's overall W/L final tally, and who gets tapped to go forward to the real season.
You want to break down 2008 for fun?
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Seems to me Cassel did better still in KC--IIRC, he didn't make the Pro Bowl as a member of the Pats.
Cassel did a great job in 2008, and deserved to be a starter. He never would have been had he stayed in Foxboro. He is, and always will be, a fan favorite here.
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Every one you mentioned is either HOF, or will be first ballot HOF. That said It'd be hard to beat Joe Montana, although his replacement Steve Young was no slouch.
Who was Joe Montana's backup FL asked as a trivia question ? This was covered in post number 50.
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Who was Joe Montana's backup FL asked as a trivia question ? This was covered in post number 50.
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Yes it was. My apologies. My question however was more to the point that Young would have filled Montana's shoes and pulled off a SB win had Montana gone down. That definitely would not have happened if Brady went down.
I have been extremely hard on Brady the past few years, so the fact I am defending him right now to this level shows how optimistic I am for this season (this is a self-reflection moment and nothing else).
Go Pats!!
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Why did I not enter this thread earlier? I actually life the Pats, but I find the girly pic absolutely hilarious. :lmao: You're bad, Sparky.
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Why did I not enter this thread earlier? I actually life the Pats, but I find the girly pic absolutely hilarious. :lmao: You're bad, Sparky.
I always like Patriot Pat he was a tripod man, a tripod. :rotf: :rotf:
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I always like Patriot Pat he was a tripod man, a tripod. :rotf: :rotf:
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(http://celebslists.com/images/jerry-rice-01.jpg)
Jerry Rice ain't got nada nothin' on Deion Branch baby. Word.
Did you honestly just post this?
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Light, Mankins.
The change over has been tremendous. I love all those guys don't get me wrong. However you have to give Brady his due.
Right after you give Eli his due.
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(http://celebslists.com/images/jerry-rice-01.jpg)
Jerry Rice ain't got nada nothin' on Deion Branch baby. Word.
I really, really hope you're joking....
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Yes it was. My apologies. My question however was more to the point that Young would have filled Montana's shoes and pulled off a SB win had Montana gone down. That definitely would not have happened if Brady went down.
I have been extremely hard on Brady the past few years, so the fact I am defending him right now to this level shows how optimistic I am for this season (this is a self-reflection moment and nothing else).
Go Pats!!
Quick question, since you're hellbent on trashing Eli and don't want to give him ANY credit, who was Eli's backup?
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Quick question, since you're hellbent on trashing Eli and don't want to give him ANY credit, who was Eli's backup?
Oh, pick me, I THINK I know without even looking.
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Quick question, since you're hellbent on trashing Eli and don't want to give him ANY credit, who was Eli's backup?
Eli isn't the reason why they won the SB, so it doesn't matter does it?
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Did you honestly just post this?
Yes I did - if you follow the thread you will know why I did, and that it is sarcasm to Sparky's posts.
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Right after you give Eli his due.
Hmmm, I did say he played well in the second SB. HOF well? MVP well?
Yeah, no.
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Eli isn't the reason why they won the SB, so it doesn't matter does it?
Neither is Tom Brady as an NFL game, like any other football game, is a team event. BTW, who was it throwing those passes for the Giants? I could have sworn it was Eli. I don't think they landed in those receivers' hands by divine providence.
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Hmmm, I did say he played well in the second SB. HOF well? MVP well?
Yeah, no.
Anyone that doesn't think Eli WILL be in the Hall of Fame doesn't know much about football or the history of the NFL.
2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011)
2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
2× NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
NFL Record most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8)
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards)
Pass attempts 3,921
Pass completions 2,291
Percentage 58.4
TD–INT 185–129
Passing yards 27,579
QB Rating 82.1
Broken down:
Professional
2011: Super Bowl XLVI Most Valuable Player[109]
2007: Super Bowl XLII Most Valuable Player[110]
2008: November NFC Offensive Player of the Month[111]
2009/2011: 2× Pro Bowl Selection[79]
2011: NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
2011: Tied NFL Record for longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
Holds NFL Record for most road playoff wins (5)[112]
Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards, 2011)
Super Bowl XLVI: Most consecutive completions to begin a Super Bowl (9)
Active leader for most consecutive starts by a National Football League quarterback (119, 3rd all-time)
NFL records
Most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15 in 2011)
Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards in 2011)
Most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8 in 2011)
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
Most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219 yards in 2011)
Giants franchise records
Most passing attempts (season): 589 (2011)
Most completions (season): 359 (2011)
Most passing yards (season): 4,933 (2011)
Longest completed pass: 99 yards (2011)
Most interceptions thrown (season): 25 (2010), tied
Most 4th quarter touchdown passes, season: 15 (NFL record)
Most consecutive starts by a quarterback: 119
Most consecutive pass completions, game: 21 (2011)
Most comeback wins in the 4th quarter (season): 5 (2007, 2011), tied
Most game-winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime (season): 6 (2007, 2011)
Most career playoff touchdowns: 13 (2011)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Manning
...and he's only 31.
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HOF QB stats look like this:
Career highlights and awards
7× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011)
2× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010)
1× Second-team All-Pro (2005)
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII)
5× AFC Champion (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011)
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005)
Sporting News Sportsman of the Year (2004, 2007)
AP Male Athlete of the Year (2007)
2× AP NFL MVP (2007, 2010)
2× AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
3× AFC Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010, 2011)
NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
New England Patriots All-time leader
(Passing touchdowns)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
Career NFL statistics as of Week 17, 2011
Pass attempts 5,321
Pass completions 3,397
Percentage 63.8
TD–INT 300–115
Passing yards 39,979
QB Rating 96.4
Stats at NFL.com
Throughout his 12 professional seasons, Tom Brady has had many opportunities to set NFL records.
Brady was the quickest QB to reach 100 wins in his career and holds the NFL record for most touchdowns during a regular season with 50 during the Patriots' perfect regular season in 2007. Brady also holds the record for pass-interception differential at 42.
Brady holds multiple postseason records, including the highest completion percentage for a single game connecting on 92.9 percent of his passes in the 2007 AFC divisional round.
In Super Bowl XLII, Brady set an NFL record having attempted 48 throws without an interception.
Brady also holds the most completions in Super Bowl games with 100.
Throughout his career in the New England area, Tom Brady has generated almost 40,000 yards, 300 touchdowns and a QB rating of 96.4.
The 2011 season was statistically one of Brady's best years yet, throwing for 5,235 yards, 39 touchdowns and a rating of 105.6.
A career 63.8 completion percentage, Brady has completed 3,397 passes on 5,321 attempts while only throwing 115 interceptions.
Tom Brady holds a career record of 124 wins and 35 losses, including a postseason record of 16 wins and five losses.
In Tom Brady's first three appearances into the postseason, he went 9-0 with three Super Bowl rings.
His first postseason lost didn't come until his fourth appearance in the playoffs.
Brady has three playoff comeback victories, as well as six game-winning drives.
When mentioning other quarterbacks in the past decade, none of them can compare to Brady's postseason career.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1046345-5-reasons-tom-brady-is-the-best-qb-to-ever-play
Career Highlights
GP/GS (Playoffs): 145/143 (19/19)
Brady's overall record is 125-37 (.772) in regular-season and playoff games. It is the best record of any NFL quarterback in the Super Bowl Era (since 1966) with at least 100 starts.
Brady is 14-5 (.773) in the playoffs, the third best in NFL history behind Bart Starr (9-1, .900) and Ben Roethlisberger (10-2). His 14 total playoff wins are tied for the second most in NFL history behind Joe Montana (16).
Brady's touchdown-to-interception ratio (2.53) is the best in NFL history among all players with 2,000 or more passing attempts.
Brady has been elected to the Prow Bowl six times in his career (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010).
Had a streak of 335 consecutive pass attempts without an interception to set an NFL record, eclipsing Bernie Kosar's record of 308 pass attempts without an interception.
In 2010, Brady set career records for touchdown-to-interception ratio (9.0) and interception percentage (0.8), throwing only four interceptions on 492 pass attempts in the regular season.
In 2007, Brady was named the NFL's Most Valuable Player, setting all-time NFL records for most touchdown passes in a season (50), highest touchdown-interception differential (+42), most games with three or more touchdown passes (12), most touchdown passes in a month (20 in October 2007), and highest completion percentage in a game (92.9 percent on Jan. 12, 2008). Brady's 117.2 passer rating in 2007 was the second highest of all-time, while his 4,806 passing yards were the third highest single-season total in league history.
In addition to the NFL records Brady set in 2007, he also set Patriots franchise records for highest completion percentage in a season (68.9 percent), most passing yards in a season (4,806), highest passer rating in a season (117.2), highest passer rating in a game (158.3 on Oct. 21, 2007), lowest interception percentage in a season (1.4 percent) and most touchdown passes in a game (6 on Oct. 21, 2007).
In 2007, Brady contributed to the Patriots' establishment of several NFL single-season team records, including most points scored in a season (589), largest point differential in a season (+315) and most touchdowns in a season (75). The Patriots became the first team in NFL history to complete a 16-0 regular season and tied the league's single-season mark with 18 overall victories.
Brady and receiver Randy Moss set an NFL single-season record in 2007 for most touchdown passes between a passer and a receiver (23), with Moss' 23 touchdown catches also setting a league record.
Brady won 76 of his first 100 regular season starts, tying Roger Staubach's mark for most victories by a quarterback in his first 100 starts during the Super Bowl Era (since 1966).
Brady is the only quarterback in NFL history to start and win three Super Bowls before his 28th birthday, having quarterbacked the Patriots to victories in Super Bowl XXXVI when he was 24 years old, Super Bowl XXXVIII (26) and Super Bowl XXXIX (27).
Brady is the fourth quarterback in NFL history to lead his team to three or more Super Bowl wins, joining Terry Bradshaw (4), Joe Montana (4) and Troy Aikman (3).
Brady owns two Pete Rozelle Awards as Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI and XXXVIII). He is just the fourth player in Super Bowl history to earn multiple MVP awards, joining Joe Montana (3), Terry Bradshaw (2) and Bart Starr (2), all three of whom are enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Brady has orchestrated 31 game-winning drives to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter or overtime. Six of his game-winning efforts have come in the postseason, where he has played in 19 games.
Brady led a game-winning drive to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter of each of the Patriots' three Super Bowl victories, becoming the only quarterback in NFL history to lead three such game-winning drives in the Super Bowl.
Brady tied an NFL record in 2005 by distributing his 26 touchdown passes to 12 different players. The only other NFL player to accomplish the feat was Brad Johnson in 2003.
Brady is tied with Drew Brees (Super Bowl XLIV) for the Super Bowl record for pass completions in a game, connecting on 32 passes in Super Bowl XXXVIII.
Brady won his first 10 playoff games, setting an NFL record for the most consecutive playoff wins.
Brady has been voted an offensive co-captain by his teammates for the last 9 seasons (2002-2010).
Brady led the NFL with 28 touchdown passes in 2002 and became the first Patriot to lead the league in touchdown passes since Steve Grogan shared the lead with Cleveland's Brian Sipe (28) in 1979.
Brady threw at least two touchdown passes in each of the first five games of the 2002 season, the first Patriot to accomplish that feat and the first Patriot to throw for at least two touchdowns in five straight games in a single season since Butch Songin (10/23/60—11/18/60).
Brady (24 years, 184 days old) was voted MVP of Super Bowl XXXVI and was the third-youngest player to earn the honor (Marcus Allen, 23 years and 301 days at Super Bowl XVIII and Lynn Swann, 23 years, 316 days at Super Bowl X).
Brady was voted to the 2001 Pro Bowl and became just the second Patriots quarterback to receive the honor (Drew Bledsoe, 1994, 1996 and 1997). He also became just the fifth quarterback since 1970 to be voted to the Pro Bowl in his first year as a starter, joining Dan Marino (1983), Brett Favre (1992), Kurt Warner (1999) and Daunte Culpepper (2000).
Brady threw for 53 yards on the Patriots' game-winning drive in Super Bowl XXXVI, completing five of his eight passes. Two of his pass attempts were spiked to kill the game clock. With just 1:21 remaining, he moved the Patriots into field goal position without the benefit of timeouts.
Brady completed over 70 percent of his passes in four consecutive games during the 2001 season and joined an exclusive club of quarterbacks who accomplished the feat. He joined Joe Montana (8 games, 1989), Troy Aikman (4, 1995), Steve Young (4, 1993) and Sammy Baugh (4, 1945).
Brady completed the first 162 passes of his career without an interception. It was the longest streak to start a career in NFL history and ranks third for most attempts without an interception in Patriots franchise history.
http://archive.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=566
Complete stats --
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm
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Neither is Tom Brady as an NFL game, like any other football game, is a team event. BTW, who was it throwing those passes for the Giants? I could have sworn it was Eli. I don't think they landed in those receivers' hands by divine providence.
QBs win games, and even SBs, in the NFL every single season. That doesn't make them HOF or even MVP caliber.
Just saying.
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QBs win games, and even SBs, in the NFL every single season. That doesn't make them HOF or even MVP caliber.
Just saying.
Without looking I would guess just about every quarterback to ever win a super bowl was elected to the Hall of Fame in Canton Ohio. Of course there are probably a lot of non super bowl winning QBs that have won election to the HOF.
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Super Bowl XI: Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders
Super Bowl XV: Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders
Super Bowl XVII: Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins
Super Bowl XVIII: Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders
Super Bowl XX: Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears
Super Bowl XXI: Phil Simms, New York Giants
Super Bowl XXII: Doug Williams, Washington Redskins
Super Bowl XXV: Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants
Super Bowl XXVI: Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins
Plunkett and Theismann should be, the rest I wouldn't complain if they were elected.
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No one is SAYING Brady isn't going to get into the HOF nor are they saying he sucks as a QB. It is you that is saying that Eli sucks and that essentially nothing can be attributed to him, and in addition he'll never be in the HOF. I'm saying you don't know as much about football as you think other than sitting in front of the tube for something to do if you believe that and probably couldn't tell the difference between a 4-3 and a 3-4 defense or know the difference between a west coast offense and the pistol.
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I am saying Eli ain't all that and a bag of chips.
History won't prove me wrong.
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I am saying Eli ain't all that and a bag of chips.
History won't prove me wrong.
History has already proven you wrong.
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BTW, see the "C" on his uniform?
(http://aheadinthecount.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/eli-manning3.jpg)
That means he's a captain, a leader. On top of that, he's their quarterback. He's the driver of that offense. The offense that is 2-0 over your boy in Superbowls.
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The first SB win year (and years prior to that, and an argument can be made to last year) the entire NY/NJ/Southern CT region were calling for Eli's "MVP - OMG ELI ELI ELI" head on a platter. He sucked on a large scale level.
The final games of the season a light was struck under his ass and then the Pats played them and shoved them onto a momentum swing because they sat their starters for the most part during that game. The Giants shouldn't have even been in the playoffs.
The sucking part? Yeah, you will have to point me to the season where that could be applied to Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Marino and all of the other amazing QBs in NFL history.
Revisionist history for Eli is the only way that boy is getting into the HOF.
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BTW, see the "C" on his uniform?
(http://aheadinthecount.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/eli-manning3.jpg)
That means he's a captain, a leader. On top of that, he's their quarterback. He's the driver of that offense. The offense that is 2-0 over your boy in Superbowls.
The Giants defense can, and most definitely should, take credit for that - not your boy Eli.
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The Giants defense can, and most definitely should, take credit for that - not your boy Eli.
Ok, which defensive player was playing Iron Man football and making all those passes and orchestrating all those offensive drives in those two Superbowls?
...waiting...
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The first SB win year (and years prior to that, and an argument can be made to last year) the entire NY/NJ/Southern CT region were calling for Eli's "MVP - OMG ELI ELI ELI" head on a platter. He sucked on a large scale level.
The final games of the season a light was struck under his ass and then the Pats played them and shoved them onto a momentum swing because they sat their starters for the most part during that game. The Giants shouldn't have even been in the playoffs.
The sucking part? Yeah, you will have to point me to the season where that could be applied to Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Marino and all of the other amazing QBs in NFL history.
Revisionist history for Eli is the only way that boy is getting into the HOF.
Good thing the people that vote in the HOF actually know something about, you know, football and that you'll be sitting at home in your armchair when it happens.
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Ok, which defensive player was playing Iron Man football and making all those passes and orchestrating all those offensive drives in those two Superbowls?
...waiting...
Defensive line won the first SB hands down. Eli played better the second SB, but again it was the Giants defense that held Brady back. Not Eli. Just saying.
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Good thing the people that vote in the HOF actually know something about, you know, football and that you'll be sitting at home in your armchair when it happens.
Uh-huh.
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Not improving. Does not inspire confidence. Not a commanding presence. Should take a DNA test to prove he's related to Peyton.
They can't be saying this about Eli... not our Eli... not HOF Eli??? Uh-huh. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_rolfe/11/27/eli.hysteria/index.html)
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Giants are stuck with Eli Manning at QB for long haul, like it or not
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 2007, 10:25 AM
Eli Manning may not deserve it, but job security is not an issue through the 2009 season and probably beyond. The Giants are stuck. They have already invested $30.1 million in Manning, plus all the draft picks they traded for him. And even if they were willing to write that off as a costly mistake, there is no place to turn to upgrade the position.
How soon they forget.... 2007 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-stuck-eli-manning-qb-long-haul-article-1.255570#ixzz25cWIG2kf)
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Packers vs Texans in next Super Bowl.
There, I said it.
.....don't hate.
:-) :-) :-)
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Defensive line won the first SB hands down. Eli played better the second SB, but again it was the Giants defense that held Brady back. Not Eli. Just saying.
Again, Giants D didn't put those points on the board for the Giants. It really is pathetic you can't distinguish between defense and offense.
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Not improving. Does not inspire confidence. Not a commanding presence. Should take a DNA test to prove he's related to Peyton.
They can't be saying this about Eli... not our Eli... not HOF Eli??? Uh-huh. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_rolfe/11/27/eli.hysteria/index.html)
Posted: Tuesday November 27, 2007
These are just a few of the unflattering comments that are flooding fan boards, sports talk shows and local newspapers about the fourth-year quarterback of a 7-4 squad that still holds a wild card in its greasy fingers although there always seems to be a banana peel and open manhole in the Giants' path at this time of year.
Less than 2 weeks later he took the Giants to TB, won, took them to Dallas, won, and took them to GB.....and won. Next game? Took them to the Superbowl against the Patriots. And won. Please, do tell me more about the "wisdom" of these armchair QB's flooding those fan boards and talk shows less than 2 weeks before postseason. You seem to have so much in common with them.
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How soon they forget.... 2007 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-stuck-eli-manning-qb-long-haul-article-1.255570#ixzz25cWIG2kf)
Wow, another story from, when? 2007 and before the Superbowl.
Really Lurker? I mean, really?
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2007 SB:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=280203017
Eli was 19/34 for 255 yds (avg 7.5), and threw 2 TDs, 1 INT. His % was 55%.
Tom Brady was 29/48 for 266 yds (avg 5.5) and threw 1 TD, 0 INT. His % was 60%.
2011 SB:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=320205017
Eli was 30/40 for 296 yds (avg 7.4), and threw 1 TDs, 0 INT. His % was 75%. Eli was sacked 3 times
Tom Brady was 27/41 for 276 yds (avg 6.7) and threw 2 TD, 1 INT. His % was 65%. Brady was sacked 2 times
Tell me more about how Eli sucks and Brady was ordained by God to be a QB.
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:rofl:
HOF, All-pro QBs who deserve the distinction of being such don't have articles written about them when they were in their prime about how they totally and completely suck.
Just saying - again, cause I keep saying it and it doesn't seem to register at all.
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Six, seven years down the line, are we going to be having this same spat about #12? One of the top tier QBs in football? *sigh*
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:rofl:
HOF, All-pro QBs who deserve the distinction of being such don't have articles written about them when they were in their prime about how they totally and completely suck.
Just saying - again, cause I keep saying it and it doesn't seem to register at all.
Can you find me an article that isn't over 5 years old and one that isn't full of comments by "comment board posters"? Thanks in advance. :whistling:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kelly
Hall of famer. No Superbowls (Eli has 2), only 8000 more yards than Eli (who still has years to play), only 4 Pro Bowls (Eli's already been to 2), No MVPs (Eli HAS 2), and their rating is very similar, 84.4 to 82.1.
Please, tell me more about how this isn't about your hatred for Eli, or seeing him smack that little bitch Brady twice in the Superbowl, but about how Eli isn't HOF material. I'm leaning towards the first one.
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Worse stats and rating than Eli, Hall of Famer Dan Fouts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Fouts
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Worse RATING than Eli (Hey, you said Superbowls didn't matter), Hall of Famer John Elway:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway
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Worst rating than Eli, Hall of Famer Troy Aikman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Aikman
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Six, seven years down the line, are we going to be having this same spat about #12? One of the top tier QBs in football? *sigh*
Don't disagree with that at all. Rodgers is a stud. This is about some rabid Pats fan still butthurt because her team got embarrassed by the Giants twice in the Superbowl. This has nothing to do with any ineptness as a QB on Eli's part, but her blind hatred and homerism for her team and her need to trash Eli with absolutely NO empirical data to back up her bullshit but Damn comment sections on 5+ year old blog sites.
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The Giants Pats rivalry on this board is way deeper than I ever thought. Giants/Pats shouldn't even BE rivals. Lol.
PS: They're talking about Eli right now on ESPN. We'll see what he does tonight. Thread should get interesting after the game.
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The Giants Pats rivalry on this board is way deeper than I ever thought. Giants/Pats shouldn't even BE rivals. Lol.
PS: They're talking about Eli right now on ESPN. We'll see what he does tonight. Thread should get interesting after the game.
There is no rivalry between the Giants and the Pats. Just some pissed off homer fan that can't accept reality.
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Can you find me an article that isn't over 5 years old and one that isn't full of comments by "comment board posters"? Thanks in advance. :whistling:
Are you deliberately being obtuse or just not willing to accept reality. Eli sucked. His team then went on to win two SBs.
Stats most definitely do not tell the story, which is a case I make regularly in baseball. I am showing you articles when Eli was supposed to be in the prime of his career, and he in one word - SUCKED.
Skip over that portion of his career. Whatev. :yawn: I watch these games, and read the NY rags daily. I didn't just start noticing the boy once he got his first ring. Oh - and Eli has been a crybaby since he was drafted and immediately threw a tantrum... we'll forget that also.
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There is no rivalry between the Giants and the Pats. Just some pissed off homer fan that can't accept reality.
Pissed off? Nah, we have nothing to be pissed off about in New England.
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Are you deliberately being obtuse or just not willing to accept reality. Eli sucked. His team then went on to win two SBs.
Stats most definitely do not tell the story, which is a case I make regularly in baseball. I am showing you articles when Eli was supposed to be in the prime of his career, and he in one word - SUCKED.
Skip over that portion of his career. Whatev. :yawn: I watch these games, and read the NY rags daily. I didn't just start noticing the boy once he got his first ring. Oh - and Eli has been a crybaby since he was drafted and immediately threw a tantrum... we'll forget that also.
Oh, Ok. Stats don't mean anything. Neither do Superbowls, Pro bowls, MVPs. Gotcha. What does mean something, Lurker? Opinionated asshole fans of other teams? Hmm, makes sense. NOT.
I neither want, nor need, your illogical and emotional bullshit reasoning. Come at me with empirical data or admit you don't know what the **** you're talking about and STFU. I don't give a rat's ASS about what some idiot sports writers say about a damn thing. Their opinions change on a daily basis, and differ from year to year. Their dumbass opinions have never ONCE been used in the decision-making process to name someone to the HOF.
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Pissed off? Nah, we have nothing to be pissed off about in New England.
Well, yeah, other than that perfect season being ruined and the loss of your second Superbowl to a QB you seem to think should be playing Middle School football. Eli owned your team twice. Get over it.
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This just in.... Giants losing to Dallas.
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Oh, Ok. Stats don't mean anything. Neither do Superbowls, Pro bowls, MVPs. Gotcha. What does mean something, Lurker? Opinionated asshole fans of other teams? Hmm, makes sense. NOT.
I neither want, nor need, your illogical and emotional bullshit reasoning. Come at me with empirical data or admit you don't know what the **** you're talking about and STFU. I don't give a rat's ASS about what some idiot sports writers say about a damn thing. Their opinions change on a daily basis, and differ from year to year. Their dumbass opinions have never ONCE been used in the decision-making process to name someone to the HOF.
Oh God, give a break already. I WATCH THE GAMES. You read stats.
Have fun with that. The only emotional one here is you with the insults. Eli mean that much to you Rebel? You his protector?
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Oh and the sports writers are from NY. You know, the land of all things Eli?
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This just in.... Giants losing to Dallas.
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Teams lose games. You should know that all too well.
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Oh God, give a break already. I WATCH THE GAMES. You read stats.
Have fun with that. The only emotional one here is you with the insults. Eli mean that much to you Rebel? You his protector?
No, I watch the games, religiously, and follow the stats. You should try the stats part. It would help your decision-process and prevent you from making stupid, emotionally-driven posts without any data to back them up. I'm seeing the Giants D perform terribly. Guess if I was to use your illogical reasoning, none of'em will get into the HOF and I guess, again, using your illogical reasoning, they all suck. Problem is, I'm a TRUE sports fan and know that one play or one game doesn't mean dick when it comes to greatness or HOF eligibility.
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Oh and the sports writers are from NY. You know, the land of all things Eli?
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You mean those COMMENTS in blog posts by anonymous people back in 2007, before they went to the postseason which led to the end of your "perfect season"? Again, you better come at me with something better than that if you want to be taken seriously.
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Really, Lurker, I've destroyed every emotionally-driven point you've tried to make about how Eli supposedly sucks and will never be in the HOF. You inferred he didn't have enough SB's. I showed you one that had none. You inferred he didn't have the stats. I showed you some that had worse stats. You said he wasn't an impact player because Brady was apparently THE team and no QB could have come in and done it from the Pats sideline. I showed you that neither did Eli. The "Facts" are that Eli has the stats, the SB's, and has been PROVEN to be the heartbeat of that Giants offense. That awesome Giants defense didn't put up those points on those scoreboard in those Superbowls that gave you so much embarrassment; Eli Manning's skill at QB did. Tebow the "4th Quarter Comeback Kid"? No, there isn't a person out there that will take ANY QB in the 4th quarter over Eli, including Brady. I've heard that by MANY pundits. Oh, and by pundits, I mean actual players turned announcers. Not idiots in comment sections of 5 year old blogs.
Eli will be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So will Peyton, Brady, and, we can debate this, Drew Brees. Difference is, my opinion isn't emotionally-based. I use stats and actually watch the games. Only one person here is trashing a SB-winning QB.
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You really haven't, but that';s ok. Note my point has always been he doesn't deserve to be there. I really don't care to debate the topic any further anyway as it is pointless.
Eli was classic Manning last night - pressure, and he is done. Giants defense not up for prime time. It's going to be a L-O-N-G season for New Jersey Giants fans. :(
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It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...
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You mean those COMMENTS in blog posts by anonymous people back in 2007, before they went to the postseason which led to the end of your "perfect season"? Again, you better come at me with something better than that if you want to be taken seriously.
I am referring to the NY Daily News and Post who called for his head daily. I read them daily.
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I am referring to the NY Daily News and Post who called for his head daily. I read them daily.
And again, from 2007.
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You really haven't, but that';s ok. Note my point has always been he doesn't deserve to be there. I really don't care to debate the topic any further anyway as it is pointless.
Eli was classic Manning last night - pressure, and he is done. Giants defense not up for prime time. It's going to be a L-O-N-G season for New Jersey Giants fans. :(
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It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...
And that's why you don't know a damn thing about football. Bad protection by the O line, Cruz dropping passes, missed coverage by the D, and you blame it ALL on Eli. Whatever, Homerfan. Stick to your armchair. One loss doesn't make a season, well, unless it's the final game of the year when you're 18-0. LMAO!
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This is from the paper you just used to trash Eli, well, that you used to try to trash Eli:
There was plenty of positive energy and emotional swirling about MetLife Stadium, but the defending Super Bowl champs never put their stamp on this one. Eli Manning was under too much pressure and produced only three first-half points. He had no consistent rushing attack to lean on. Never mind the 78 yards and one touchdown by Ahmad Bradshaw. When push came to shove, the Giants were shoved back, as they lost three yards on two runs from the Dallas 1-yard line, having to settle for a field goal. Rookie David Wilson lost the ball on a fumble on his second NFL carry. Victor Cruz had three drops.
On defense, they were ravaged by DeMarco Murray, who gained 131 yards and made like a ping-pong ball in bounding off Mathias Kiwanuka and Justin Tuck on a 48-yard run. Tony Romo, working the slant game to perfection, was 22 of 29 for 301 yards and threw three touchdown passes, two to Kevin Ogletree, who had his way with Corey Webster and others.
“We didn’t really stop the run. They had all sorts of yardage and we had little or none,’’ Coughlin said. “And it’s like we’d never seen a slant before.’’
Super Bowl winners had been 8-0 in mid-week season openers ever since the league decided to showcase the previous season’s champions. The Giants ended that streak by getting beaten to the punch.
The Giants lost the opener last season and won the Super Bowl, so there’s that.
The Giants were down 14-3 early in the third quarter when Ogletree caught his second touchdown pass of the game, a 40-yarder, as he broke free from Webster on a stop-and-start move. Manning came back with an efficient nine-play, 89-yard drive, fueled by Domenik Hixon’s brilliant leaping catch over cornerback Brandon Carr, who mistimed his jump, for 39 yards to the Dallas 10. From there, Bradshaw finally got some room to maneuver and took it around the left side for a touchdown to pull the Giants within 14-10.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/cowboys_crash_big_blue_party_EiUbB6yHnrOrYhnaKaJfyN
Notice anything missing? Like, maybe, any criticism of Eli?
Now, let's look at some of the comments that you seem to rely on heavily:
Maria Camelia Torres-Flynn
Cruz sucked!
Now, obviously Cruz doesn't suck and is one of the best receivers in the country, but I'm a true fan. If I were an armchair homer I'd probably say, "See! He sucks! Cruz will NEVER be in the HOF! See this comment?" But I'm not.
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No, I watch the games, religiously, and follow the stats. You should try the stats part. It would help your decision-process and prevent you from making stupid, emotionally-driven posts without any data to back them up. I'm seeing the Giants D perform terribly. Guess if I was to use your illogical reasoning, none of'em will get into the HOF and I guess, again, using your illogical reasoning, they all suck. Problem is, I'm a TRUE sports fan and know that one play or one game doesn't mean dick when it comes to greatness or HOF eligibility.
Reb--sadly, she's all too typical of New England sports fans--more emotion than substance.
Just don't ask her about the Red Sox. Or the Bruins. Or the Celtics.
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No, there isn't a person out there that will take ANY QB in the 4th quarter over Eli, including Brady. I've heard that by MANY pundits.
I'll take Elway. Any time.
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I'll take Elway. Any time.
I mean currently.
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I mean currently.
Then yes, I'd take Manning over Brady. Either Manning. Sorry, FL. Gotta calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Matter of fact, I'd take Brees and Rodgers over Brady in that department.
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Reb--sadly, she's all too typical of New England sports fans--more emotion than substance.
Just don't ask her about the Red Sox. Or the Bruins. Or the Celtics.
:whatever:
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Decade of dominance - no worries in New England.
As for the rest of the bait? Let it go boys. It's football season, so far I am enjoying it tremendously.
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Decade of dominance - no worries in New England.
Too bad the decade is over and New England sports is back to being the red-headed stepchild of professional sports.
And they're wishing Franconia would come back.
Stop. Hurt. Sides. Laughing.
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Funny read:
The Patriots once again lost in the Super Bowl to the Giants thanks to yet another late 4th quarter comeback drive orchestrated by Eli Manning. And there was a great rejoicing. Since then, the Patriots have been mostly busy getting trying to suppress the events of the Summer of Gronk, as well as signing eight thousand other tight ends.
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http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2012/08/ksk-2012-nfl-prekkake-new-england-patriots.html (http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2012/08/ksk-2012-nfl-prekkake-new-england-patriots.html)
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Some more along similar lines (they do it for every team, btw):
1. OW-AH FANS AHHH BETTAH THAN YOUR-AH FANS!
2. The fans don't even like the Patriots (pre-2001)
3. The defense is still puke.
4. ****ing cheaters.
http://deadspin.com/5938481/why-your-team-sucks-2012-new-england-patriots?tag=why-your-team-sucks-2012#13469598314531&{"type":"powwowLoaded"} (http://deadspin.com/5938481/why-your-team-sucks-2012-new-england-patriots?tag=why-your-team-sucks-2012#13469598314531&{"type":"powwowLoaded"})
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Speaking of shitty officiating...
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Speaking as an NFL (and Cowboys) fan, I do believe both of these QBs will be in the HOF. I have respect for Manning for all those 4th quarter drives (including the one against the Cowboys last year).
I despise Tammy Brady. He's a scumbag. Might be a great QB, but he's still a scumbag.
I *might* get some respect for Tammy if he ever plays a season and ends up passing for over 4,000 yards with broken ribs and a punctured lung.
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Brady in the HOF is without question. Same with Eli.
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I understand that. Most people understand that. Well, unless you're a butthurt Pats fan that saw your perfect season chances ruined
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Huh. Guess they're the Cardinals' bitches too.
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That just surprises the hell out of me. A couple games did today.
Go JETS!
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Huh. Guess they're the Cardinals' bitches too.
Tough loss to say the least. Can we atleast blame the Scabs? /DU :hammer:
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Huh. Guess they're the Cardinals' bitches too.
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8389042/new-york-giants-eli-manning-gets-even-tampa-bay-buccaneers
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Robert Kraft has just announced that Bill Belichick has been fired and replaced by Jenna Jamison.
She may blow a few, but at least she won't choke on the big ones.
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Robert Kraft has just announced that Bill Belichick has been fired and replaced by Jenna Jamison.
She may blow a few, but at least she won't choke on the big ones.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
That'll inspire the boys to win more.
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I am disappointed that New England lost yesterday. My two favorite teams had a terrible weekend.
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^ Damn, we're not connecting at all. While I like the Pats alright, I LOVE the Ravens. They're my AFC team. Period.
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So did that really go thru?
It looked to me like it didn't.
I hate the Ravens as I was born in Cleveland and Art Modell is (was) a tool.
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I pitty you. Was Cleveland ever any good even in my lifetime? (I'm 25 next month) Peyton Hillis is just one example I can think of pertaining to the failure that is Browns. If their star returner Cribbs ever leaves, the Browns will have absolutely nothing. Joe Thomas is only one lineman? Colt McCoy...nah. No ther prominent names/performers on that team.
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Robert Kraft has just announced that Bill Belichick has been fired and replaced by Jenna Jamison.
She may blow a few, but at least she won't choke on the big ones.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I pitty you. Was Cleveland ever any good even in my lifetime? (I'm 25 next month) Peyton Hillis is just one example I can think of pertaining to the failure that is Browns. If their star returner Cribbs ever leaves, the Browns will have absolutely nothing. Joe Thomas is only one lineman? Colt McCoy...nah. No ther prominent names/performers on that team.
Definitely NOT in your life time. They have been okay in mine...Bernie Kosar era but they haven't really done much since the early days. The Browns are one of the original teams of the NFL.
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Apart from that I am a Niners fan. I was just affected by the creation of the Ravens and the brief loss of the Browns thru my parents.
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And add Seahawks bitches to that (long and growing longer) list.
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That Russell Wilson kid is going to be a hell of a QB as time goes by. :-)