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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Chris_ on June 20, 2012, 09:11:00 AM
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President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Attorney General Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against Holder by Republicans in the House.
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is expected to forge ahead with its meeting on the contempt resolution anyway.
House Republicans appear to be charging ahead with a high-drama contempt vote against Eric Holder, after GOP Rep. Darrell Issa said the attorney generally failed to produce the documents he requested for the probe into the Justice Department's botched Fast and Furious operation.
Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/20/house-republicans-tee-up-imminent-contempt-vote-against-holder/#ixzz1yLJfxN87)
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**** these Chicago thugs... these ******* dirtbags need to go to jail for this shit.
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President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Attorney General Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against Holder by Republicans in the House.
Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/20/house-republicans-tee-up-imminent-contempt-vote-against-holder/#ixzz1yLJfxN87)
(best Gomer Pyle voice) Surprise...Surprise.
Does this mean they can hold ABM in contempt too?
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**** these Chicago thugs... these ******* dirtbags need to go to jail for this shit.
^ what you said.
Not surprised that "the most transparent administration in history" would pull a stunt like this.
All it proves is Holder...and possibly Obama are in it up to their ears where F&F are concerned.
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Holder will go to prison for it--sometime in the spring of next year.
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Holder will go to prison for it--sometime in the spring of next year.
From your lips to Boner's (sic) ears. Good luck with that.
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This pretty much confirms, at least to me, my thoughts on Barry's realization that he will not be reelected in November.
The political cost of this bullshit is reminiscent of Tricky Dick's arrogance back during Watergate, and the absolute hell that Dick Cheney took when he exerted executive privilege against revealing with whom he had his meetings regarding the energy industry.
I'm sure there are other examples, but this is a key issue in Barry's reelection campaign.
He's going through the motions and he's adding money to the DNC's coffers (though not as much as they'd hoped and planned for) with every AF1 trip he takes.
But Barry does not want to be reelected (he's lazy), and he's not afraid to cash in his political chips in a vain attempt to show loyalty to his suckass minions like Holder.
The only thing is, the Repubs in Congress ain't bluffing. They're holding Aces and Eights - the proverbial Dead Man's Hand.
Barry - start packin' your shit. Yer gonna do the duffle-bag drag outta my White House. :bird:
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This pretty much confirms, at least to me, my thoughts on Barry's realization that he will not be reelected in November.
The political cost of this bullshit is reminiscent of Tricky Dick's arrogance back during Watergate, and the absolute hell that Dick Cheney took when he exerted executive privilege against revealing with whom he had his meetings regarding the energy industry.
I'm sure there are other examples, but this is a key issue in Barry's reelection campaign.
He's going through the motions and he's adding money to the DNC's coffers (though not as much as they'd hoped and planned for) with every AF1 trip he takes.
But Barry does not want to be reelected (he's lazy), and he's not afraid to cash in his political chips in a vain attempt to show loyalty to his suckass minions like Holder.
The only thing is, the Repubs in Congress ain't bluffing. They're holding Aces and Eights - the proverbial Dead Man's Hand.
Barry - start packin' your shit. Yer gonna do the duffle-bag drag outta my White House. :bird:
Makes me nervous he'll pull a Tricky Dick & we'll have to deal with HillBilly in Nov.
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After Holder made the request to Obama via letter on Tuesday, Deputy Attorney General James Cole wrote to Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., on Wednesday informing him that the president has granted the request.
"We regret that we have arrived at this point, after the many steps we have taken to address the committee's concerns and to accommodate the committee's legitimate oversight interests regarding Operation Fast and Furious," Cole wrote. "Although we are deeply disappointed that the committee appears intent on proceeding with a contempt vote, the department remains willing to work with the committee to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution of the outstanding issues."
Obama's decision pertains to documents from February 2011 and afterward examining how Justice officials learned about the Fast and Furious probe.
Holder, in his letter to Obama, said those documents pertain to the "deliberative process" on how to respond to congressional and media inquiries.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/20/house-republicans-tee-up-imminent-contempt-vote-against-holder/
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And if Bush had done this in similar circumstances...yeah, I know. Different pres__ent, different rules.
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Title's a little misleading, since the President can't 'grnt executive privilege,' but the OP does clarify that Obama granted Holder's request that he claim executive privilege.
This is a very peculiar stance to take, since such as it is, the law on executive privilege (Mostly established by Dem Congresses against GOP Presidents) is pretty clear that it only applies to top-level executive actions where the White House itself is directly involved in national policy decisions, not to the executive departments, nor to decisions about how to frustrate the other two branches, nor conceal criminal behavior. At the same time, the whole Administration claim up to now is that the entire operation was entirely conceived and run by lower levels of the Justice Department, without even the head of that department being involved until after the SHTF.
This is both a resounding Constitutional Scholar Fail, and a startlingly abrupt contradiction of DOJ's defense position up to this point.
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Title's a little misleading, since the President can't 'grnt executive privilege,' but the OP does clarify that Obama granted Holder's request that he claim executive privilege.
This is a very peculiar stance to take, since such as it is, the law on executive privilege (Mostly established by Dem Congresses against GOP Presidents) is pretty clear that it only applies to top-level executive actions where the White House itself is directly involved in national policy decisions, not to the executive departments, nor to decisions about how to frustrate the other two branches, nor conceal criminal behavior. At the same time, the whole Administration claim up to now is that the entire operation was entirely conceived and run by lower levels of the Justice Department, without even the head of that department being involved until after the SHTF.
This is both a resounding Constitutional Scholar Fail, and a startlingly abrupt contradiction of DOJ's defense position up to this point.
The reason can only be this: There is stuff in those documents that will both 1) Tie Holder to illegal activities in the execution of F&F, and 2) Tie Obama to Holder.
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Title's a little misleading, since the President can't 'grnt executive privilege,' but the OP does clarify that Obama granted Holder's request that he claim executive privilege.
This is a very peculiar stance to take, since such as it is, the law on executive privilege (Mostly established by Dem Congresses against GOP Presidents) is pretty clear that it only applies to top-level executive actions where the White House itself is directly involved in national policy decisions, not to the executive departments, nor to decisions about how to frustrate the other two branches, nor conceal criminal behavior. At the same time, the whole Administration claim up to now is that the entire operation was entirely conceived and run by lower levels of the Justice Department, without even the head of that department being involved until after the SHTF.
This is both a resounding Constitutional Scholar Fail, and a startlingly abrupt contradiction of DOJ's defense position up to this point.
I'm not so sure that Barry doesn't realize that he's grasping at straws and defending the indefensible. I think he's deliberately going down this road to evident self-destruction in a complete attempt to obfuscate, deflect, and otherwise stick a finger in Issa's eye. He knows the SHTF from a political capital perspective and he's fine with that.
At the end of the day, however, the documents won't be released. And that's the key issue.
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NEWS FLASH!!! Justice Dept purchases 500 top of the line shredders. Just kidding (they already have them)
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I am thinking these 'documents' have long been shredded.
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And if Bush had done this in similar circumstances...yeah, I know. Different pres__ent, different rules.
Funny you should mention that Sparky...
CNN’S LARRY KING: “Do you favor executive privilege or should Karl Rove and others in that like position be forced to testify before the House or Senate?
OBAMA: “Well, you know, I think we’ll — we’ll determine over the next several weeks how this administration responds to the very appropriate call by Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, to have these individuals come in and testify. You know, there’s been a tendency on the part of this administration to — to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taking place. And I think, you know, the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn’t seem to be any national security issues involved with the U.S. attorney question. There doesn’t seem to be any justification for not offering up some clear, plausible rationale for why these — these U.S. attorneys were targeted when, by all assessments, they were doing an outstanding job. I think the American people deserve to know what was going on there.â€
SOURCE: CNN’s “Larry King Tonight,†3/20/2007
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/flashback-2007-obama-attacked-trying-to-hide-behind-executive-privilege/#ixzz1yLVdhIW7
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwYh9TD6Nc[/youtube]
:whatever: ****in' dumbass.
So tired of this guy.
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#Constitutional crisis
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This is Obama's Watergate. I hope he goes down in flames over this.
On another note: The liberals are all calling this a which hunt, and blaming it all on Bush.
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This is Obama's Watergate. I hope he goes down in flames over this.
On another note: The liberals are all calling this a which hunt, and blaming it all on Bush.
This is 1000 times worse than Watergate. This is turning into a constitutional crisis.
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Barry had his sticky little hands all over this, that much is clear. I am waitign for his whorship to say on national TV, "I am not a crook."
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Nobody died because of Watergate.
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This is 1000 times worse than Watergate. This is turning into a constitutional crisis.
You mean that peace of paper that Obama claims to know, but yet ignores at every turn?
Nobody died because of Watergate.
Yes, this is true.
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Title's a little misleading, since the President can't 'grnt executive privilege,' but the OP does clarify that Obama granted Holder's request that he claim executive privilege.
This is a very peculiar stance to take, since such as it is, the law on executive privilege (Mostly established by Dem Congresses against GOP Presidents) is pretty clear that it only applies to top-level executive actions where the White House itself is directly involved in national policy decisions, not to the executive departments, nor to decisions about how to frustrate the other two branches, nor conceal criminal behavior. At the same time, the whole Administration claim up to now is that the entire operation was entirely conceived and run by lower levels of the Justice Department, without even the head of that department being involved until after the SHTF.
This is both a resounding Constitutional Scholar Fail, and a startlingly abrupt contradiction of DOJ's defense position up to this point.
Thanks for explaining this. So is this pretty much an admission that the administration is involved in this? They can't claim privilege if they weren't involved? Boy, I can't wait for Carney's press conference today. Hopefully someone asks some tough questions.
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This is Obama's Watergate. I hope he goes down in flames over this.
On another note: The liberals are all calling this a which hunt, and blaming it all on Bush.
They can try to blame Bush...but they'll fail.
Andy McCarthy did a piece for national Review explaining the difference between the two...including that F&F started in 2009.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282606/fast-furious-was-bushs-fault-andrew-c-mccarthy
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Barry had his sticky little hands all over this, that much is clear. I am waitign for his whorship to say on national TV, "I am not a crook."
I would put my left nut up on the chopping block right now, if I thought for a second The Holy WON of Chicago had the testicular fortitude of Lyndon Johnson, and would get up on the Idiot Box(TM) and say the words:
..."I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President."
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Katie Pavlich's book on F&F (I read the book in just 2-3 sittings it was so compelling) talks very lucidly about how regular gun dealers in the Phoenix/Tucson areas were practically bludgeoned by ATF agents into deliberately selling these guns to known "straw men", who were nothing more than fronts for the cartels and other bad guys.
The legitimate business owners of gun shops knew that they were selling these guns to bad guys, and were actually told to do so by the ATF. Refusal to comply was tantamount to having their FFL/business licenses revoked and other forms of harassment, which the government can do all too well.
The absolute stupidity of the whole thing was, the sales were observed. But the perps were not arrested, held, or confronted at all. They were allowed to leave the scene of the crime and return to Mexico, whereupon those guns were used in all sorts of illegal ways.
Common sense tells you, once the guns leave American soil, control is lost. You can claim you're acting in concert with the Mexican authorities all you want, but effective control of those firearms is lost.
Massive coverup at the highest levels of DOJ. The supervisors in Phoenix and Tucson who mandated F&F were not only not disciplined or fired (especially when Brian Terry was murdered), but they were given accolades and allowed to continue the F&F debacle.
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I am thinking these 'documents' have long been shredded.
The DOJ is not all personally loyal to Obama and Holder, by a long stretch...if there is a change in power in January, a LOT of new information will emerge, assuming Romney does not do something as fruitless, futile, and naive as W's attempts to 'Heal the wounds' by overlooking all the misdeeds of the outgoing administration (At the same time, it is a political fact of life for any incoming President that eventually his own term will end, and caution about setting any precedents on prosecution of past misdeeds is highly indicated since payback is a mofo).
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This is Obama's Watergate. I hope he goes down in flames over this...
This is much, much worse.
Richard Nixon never gave organized criminals tools to murder US LEOs.
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This is much, much worse.
Richard Nixon never gave organized criminals tools to murder US LEOs.
Or violated the borders of a sovereign country with those weapons.
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This is 1000 times worse than Watergate. This is turning into a constitutional crisis.
Exactly right. No one was killed during Watergate. I wonder how Holder will look in Prison orange.
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Top of Drudge right now:
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:lol: BURN
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Public Enemy Number One
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I think we are seeing panic setting in. Executive privilege makes no sense on several levels. Rumors have been around that the WH & Hlodem think (rightly or not) that Grassley and/or Issa have a smoking gun. You will note that almost everything the committees have came from whistleblowers. Holder has been busted on the original phony/baloney letter & recently on his declaration that Bushe's AG was fully aware of FF. Now you will notice the usual suspects (black caucus members) are screaming "lynching" while less secure dems are walking away whistling softly. An article from today said; "Dem leadership sent out signals to staff to prepare for necessary insulation from the White House to limit damage to individual campaigns.".
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Oversight committee just finished voting. 23-17 to hold Holder in contempt.
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Oversight committee just finished voting. 23-17 to hold Holder in contempt.
Yeah, I was watching the stream of it. He is going down. Executive privileged or not. Hopefully he takes the jug ears loser with him.
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Yeah, I was watching the stream of it. He is going down. Executive privileged or not. Hopefully he takes the jug ears loser with him.
Issa is saying that a full vote can be avoided if Holder gives up the documents.
I don't see that happening since the senate will not pass the contempt of congress charge even if the house does.
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Issa is saying that a full vote can be avoided if Holder gives up the documents.
I don't see that happening since the senate will not pass the contempt of congress charge even if the house does.
If holder would hand over the documents, none of this would be happening. He is covering up something. It wouldn't surprise me if Obama was in on it. I can't remember his name, but one of the senators/congressmen there today said that Obama should be looked into as well, as this is something that he feels goes all the way to the top.
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It's official .. There are NOW 17 Blind Mice! :hyper:
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/20/breaking-house-oversight-committee-votes-23-17-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt-of-congress/?tw_p=twt
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Issa is saying that a full vote can be avoided if Holder gives up the documents.
I don't see that happening since the senate will not pass the contempt of congress charge even if the house does.
It won't go to the Senate. According to what I've been hearing on Hannity, after Holder is charged with contempt of Congress, it goes straight to the 4th (DC) Circuit. It gets tried under a real federal judge, not Whorehouse Harry Reid and his clowns.
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Issa is saying that a full vote can be avoided if Holder gives up the documents.
I don't see that happening since the senate will not pass the contempt of congress charge even if the house does.
Do both houses of Congress have to agree with the charge? I was under the impression that which ever house brought the charges is the only one that gets a vote on it.
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DAT, since the probe in question is into possible criminal activity, and "Executive Privelege" as codified shouldn't apply anyway, would Issa be able to get a special prosecutor or some such to investigate POTUS for violation of federal law re: covering this up using said privelege?
It's always said the coverup takes you down more than the crime.
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Do both houses of Congress have to agree with the charge? I was under the impression that which ever house brought the charges is the only one that gets a vote on it.
No, Your impression is correct. This is not legislation.
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No, Your impression is correct. This is not legislation.
Nor is it an impeachment proceeding. Just heard Fox News at the top of the hour confirm what I'd heard: a full vote to confirm the charges by the house will lead to a federal trial, with conviction bringing up to a $1000 fine and one year in jail. (A misdemeanor, apparently.)
I suppose it's too much to hope for that Holder misses a court date, and federal Marshals show up at DoJ to cuff him and frog-march him?
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DAT, since the probe in question is into possible criminal activity, and "Executive Privelege" as codified shouldn't apply anyway, would Issa be able to get a special prosecutor or some such to investigate POTUS for violation of federal law re: covering this up using said privelege?
It's always said the coverup takes you down more than the crime.
Unfortunately, after the Scooter Libby fiasco, both sides dumped the special prosecuter law. Under current law, the executive branch must designate special prosecuters. Chances of that; FAT.
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Nor is it an impeachment proceeding. Just heard Fox News at the top of the hour confirm what I'd heard: a full vote to confirm the charges by the house will lead to a federal trial, with conviction bringing up to a $1000 fine and one year in jail. (A misdemeanor, apparently.)
I suppose it's too much to hope for that Holder misses a court date, and federal Marshals show up at DoJ to cuff him and frog-march him?
I don't have a Holder but I have been fooling with this one:
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then too there is this one:
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I don't have a Holder but I have been fooling with this one:
Nice, keep up the great work.
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When they said full vote, did they mean that all of congress has to agree with it? If that is the case, he won't be brought up on anything.
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I don't have a Holder but I have been fooling with this one:
(http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3543/rove1.jpg)
then too there is this one:
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:hi5: worthy, sir.
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When they said full vote, did they mean that all of congress has to agree with it? If that is the case, he won't be brought up on anything.
Full vote of the House only. As of now, only the Oversight Committee has voted to find Holder in contempt.
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Full vote of the House only. As of now, only the Oversight Committee has voted to find Holder in contempt.
o.k. I am still confused. When they say full vote, what do they mean? Does it mean the whole house to vote Yeah? Or is it just all the Republicans in the house who have to vote for it?
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When they said full vote, did they mean that all of congress has to agree with it? If that is the case, he won't be brought up on anything.
Majority vote in the House only is my understanding. Both parties get to vote on it.
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Majority vote in the House only is my understanding.
O.k. That makes more sense. When they say full, it makes me think that the whole house has to vote for it.
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o.k. I am still confused. When they say full vote, what do they mean? Does it mean the whole house to vote Yeah? Or is it just all the Republicans in the house who have to vote for it?
the entire House. And since the entire House has a Republican majority, chances are pretty damned good that Holder will be found in contempt, even if Dems and Repubs vote party line, with a few who jump the fence.
It seems they have the votes -- all of that has already been vetted, I'm sure.
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O.k. That makes more sense. When they say full, it makes me think that the whole house has to vote for it.
The whole House gets to vote on it, but it doesn't have to a unanimous ruling. Just a simple majority IIRC.
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Pelosi: “I could have arrested Karl Rove on any given day.”
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is playing politics with its vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, an action she said that even she didn’t seek as House Speaker when she thought someone was legitimately deserving of it.
“I could have arrested Karl Rove on any given day,” Pelosi said to laughter, during a sit-down with reporters. “I’m not kidding. There’s a prison here in the Capitol … If we had spotted him in the Capitol, we could have arrested him.”
Asked on what grounds she could have arrested Rove, Pelosi replied, “Oh, any number. But there were some specific ones for his being in contempt of Congress. But we didn’t.”
Huffington Post (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/303454/pelosi-i-could-have-arrested-karl-rove-daniel-foster#)
This old lady is off her rocker.
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the entire House. And since the entire House has a Republican majority, chances are pretty damned good that Holder will be found in contempt, even if Dems and Repubs vote party line, with a few who jump the fence.
It seems they have the votes -- all of that has already been vetted, I'm sure.
You can damn betcha Boner wasn't going to let Issa have the committie vote until the Whip polled the caucus.
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And when Holder is found guilty of contempt the DOJ, RUN by Holder...
oh...never mind. The entire thing will be swept under the rug, or found to be innocent... :thatsright:
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And when Holder is found guilty of contempt the DOJ, RUN by Holder...
oh...never mind. The entire thing will be swept under the rug, or found to be innocent... :thatsright:
Obama will pardon him before he leaves office.
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Obama will pardon him before he leaves office.
Maybe, but with this deft stroke by the master of fourth dimensional chess (Hussein) the maggot infested corpse is hanging in the public square & the LSM has to cover it. Remember the famous words to Paul Ryan (I think it was Ryan) "DON'T CALL MY BLUFF"
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Obama will pardon him before he leaves office.
To say nothing of the Pardon he's reserved for himself.
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To say nothing of the Pardon he's reserved for himself.
Unfortunately, Romny will have to give that one & he will. SHIT!!
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Unfortunately, Romny will have to give that one & he will. SHIT!!
I doubt Romney would ever pardon Obama.
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Huffington Post (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/303454/pelosi-i-could-have-arrested-karl-rove-daniel-foster#)
This old lady is off her rocker.
Was she or has she ever been on a rocker?
Wonder if she's drunk up that $100,000.00 worth of liquor she got at our expense while she was speacker lush of the house.
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I doubt Romney would ever pardon Obama.
Two words; Jerry Ford
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Two words; Jerry Ford
Was of the same political party as Nixon.
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Boehner, Cantor Announce House Fast & Furious Contempt Vote Next Week
Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jun/20/picket-boehner-cantor-announce-house-fast-furious-/)
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Was of the same political party as Nixon.
And unelected to the job which he got when Sprio Agnew resigned. Those were interesting times. Could it happen again? President O'Biden? :panic:
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And unelected to the job which he got when Sprio Agnew resigned. Those were interesting times. Could it happen again? President O'Biden? :panic:
Never happen.
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The only way Obama would get pardoned is if Biden would happen to get elected, or if Obama quits and leaves Biden as President, neither of which will ever happen.
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The only way Obama would get pardoned is if Biden would happen to get elected, or if Obama quits and leaves Biden as President, neither of which will ever happen.
No one expected Agnew to resign and Ford to be appointed by Nixon either. But, when the wheels start to come off the wagon it can happen fast.
Hope springs eternal. Obie has so many lies out there you just never know the DUmmies think he is a 3D chess master but I am not so sure. Dr Spock he's not.
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Two words; Jerry Ford
Was of the same political party as Nixon.
And even most democrats that can think rationally about it believe it was the right thing to do at the time.
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It won't go to the Senate. According to what I've been hearing on Hannity, after Holder is charged with contempt of Congress, it goes straight to the 4th (DC) Circuit. It gets tried under a real federal judge, not Whorehouse Harry Reid and his clowns.
The 4th Circuit and the DC Circuit are two different Circuits, IIRC. The DC Circuit is where Chief Justice John Roberts was before he was elevated to the SCOTUS. 4th Circuit is based in Richmond VA.
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Like Michael Graham said today on his radio show - the cover up is ALWAYS worse than the crime.
Morons.
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No one expected Agnew to resign and Ford to be appointed by Nixon either. But, when the wheels start to come off the wagon it can happen fast.
Hope springs eternal. Obie has so many lies out there you just never know the DUmmies think he is a 3D chess master but I am not so sure. Dr Spock he's not.
The DUmmie version of Obie?
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2784/obiemccoy3dchess.jpg)
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(http://westsoundmodern.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/richard-milhaus-nixon-obama.jpg?w=400)
I am not a crook. Bush is.
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This is Obama's Watergate. I hope he goes down in flames over this.
On another note: The liberals are all calling this a which hunt, and blaming it all on Bush.
They have to. This could destroy them.......
BWAAA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha....
The Bush's fault won't work this time. Already been thoroughly debunked.
What else ya' got DUmmies?
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They have to. This could destroy them.......
BWAAA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha....
The Bush's fault won't work this time. Already been thoroughly debunked.
What else ya' got DUmmies?
Everyone knows that blaming Bush won't work. But seeing that it is all the liberals have, they might as well try it.
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Thanks for explaining this. So is this pretty much an admission that the administration is involved in this? They can't claim privilege if they weren't involved? Boy, I can't wait for Carney's press conference today. Hopefully someone asks some tough questions.
That's the consensus. The hand-wringing at MSLSD must be palpable. :-)
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Hannity just showed a picture of Obama beside Nixon. He is going to have a segment about it, I think.
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I doubt Romney would ever pardon Obama.
He would. He almost has to.
Yes, it would be a purely political manuever.
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I am pissed off about this. This is two weeks in a row where 0bama has given congress the finger, last week by bypassing them and just deciding to change policy for illegal immigration, this week he is helping Holder to cover up his involvement in F&F, and possibly his involvement as well. Hopefully this will help Romney kick his ass to the curb in November. Just how corrupt can one man be?
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I don't know whether to :lmao: , :bawl: , or :rant:...
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How bad is ‪#fastandfurious‬? So bad the Dems wanted to talk about the economy today.
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:rimshot:
ouch
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I don't know whether to :lmao: , :bawl: , or :rant:...
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How bad is ‪#fastandfurious‬? So bad the Dems wanted to talk about the economy today.
:lmao: :rotf: :rofl:
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I am pissed off about this. This is two weeks in a row where 0bama has given congress the finger, last week by bypassing them and just deciding to change policy for illegal immigration, this week he is helping Holder to cover up his involvement in F&F, and possibly his involvement as well. Hopefully this will help Romney kick his ass to the curb in November. Just how corrupt can one man be?
"Culture of Corruption" -Michelle Malkin-
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Given that Holder retracted his allegation TODAY that the Bush administration had knowledge of F & F, take a look at this bombshell video that "just a blogger" uncovered from the C-Span archives wherein the entire Obama team lays out F & F, and claims the program is at Obama's direction: http://www.therightscoop.com/bombshell-proof-obama-and-holder-knew-about-gun-walking-in-2009/
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L54gOgJxIRQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Hmmm.
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Hmmm.
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Thanks for embedding that. What did you think? Had Holder not retracted Bush's involvement today, I would have said hmmmmph.
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The sad thing is...Mexico's President tried to tell the world what was happening over two years ago. Long before any of us had heard of Fast & Furious.
Sept. 11, 2010
As Mexico approaches its bicentennial, Mexico's president says his country is fighting significant security problems --many of which are fueled by U.S. policies.
"We live next to the world's largest drug consumer, and all the world wants to sell them drugs through our door and our window. And we live next to the world's largest arms seller, which is supplying the criminals," Mexican President Felipe Calderon told CNN en Español Friday.
Speaking less than a week before his country's bicentennial, Calderon discussed a wide range of topics, including immigration policy, his favorite Mexican independence hero, his Twitter account and America's role in Mexico's drug war.
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-11/world/mexico.president.interview_1_drug-violence-drug-cartels-drug-laws?_s=PM:WORLD
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Given that Holder retracted his allegation TODAY that the Bush administration had knowledge of F & F, take a look at this bombshell video that "just a blogger" uncovered from the C-Span archives wherein the entire Obama team lays out F & F, and claims the program is at Obama's direction: http://www.therightscoop.com/bombshell-proof-obama-and-holder-knew-about-gun-walking-in-2009/
Holder's allegations were "fake but accurate".
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Holder's allegations were "fake but accurate".
Akshully, he called them "evolving truth". I guess that means they meant whatever he needed them to at the time. :thatsright:
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Listening to Rush while running errands and heard Queen Botox expounding on the contempt resolution and how it was an attack on Holder for working against "voter suppression." I guess botox really is corrosive to the brain.
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Listening to Rush while running errands and heard Queen Botox expounding on the contempt resolution and how it was an attack on Holder for working against "voter suppression." I guess botox really is corrosive to the brain.
I swear the women smokes crack as soon as she wakes up in the morning. What a stupid bitch.
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Listening to Rush while running errands and heard Queen Botox expounding on the contempt resolution and how it was an attack on Holder for working against "voter suppression." I guess botox really is corrosive to the brain.
Funny, how the left is trying this tactic when the investigation into F&F has been going on for longer than Holder has been fighting to aid voter fraud and allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the country.
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I wonder if this was a two-fer: undermine our right to own guns and arm drug dealers for the express purpose of killing border agents. So that illegals can pass more easily yet into the country. To become Obama voters.
And these docs might spell much of this purpose out. Not just a botched "gunwalk," but actual and deliberate assistance in the murder and general intimidation of US border agents.
I'll bet money there are more dead agents listed in those docs, as well.
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I wonder if this was a two-fer: undermine our right to own guns and arm drug dealers for the express purpose of killing border agents. So that illegals can pass more easily yet into the country. To become Obama voters.
And these docs might spell much of this purpose out. Not just a botched "gunwalk," but actual and deliberate assistance in the murder and general intimidation of US border agents.
I'll bet money there are more dead agents listed in those docs, as well.
That seems a bit far-fetched to me.
Based on my readings, I'd say that more likely, the documents will show that there was definitive approval for the overall program which, monumentally stupid as it was, was designed to "track" the sale of weapons and specifically which "straw purchasers" picked them up. Ostensibly, this information would be tied back to the Mexican "biggie" (cartel/Mexican authorities on the take/other illegals) who bought them.
The incompetence factor weighs in heavily here. The previous practice of controlling the actual delivery of arms by swooping in and making arrests just at the point where the transactions were made (as what had occurred with relative frequency in the Bush administration under a different program - I forget the name at the moment) was completely overlooked in F&F. They simply let the perps go. This methodology was approved at the highest levels, or at least pencil-whipped by Holder et. al., thereby showing just how monumentally stupid he and his ilk are.
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That seems a bit far-fetched to me.
Based on my readings, I'd say that more likely, the documents will show that there was definitive approval for the overall program which, monumentally stupid as it was, was designed to "track" the sale of weapons and specifically which "straw purchasers" picked them up. Ostensibly, this information would be tied back to the Mexican "biggie" (cartel/Mexican authorities on the take/other illegals) who bought them.
The incompetence factor weighs in heavily here. The previous practice of controlling the actual delivery of arms by swooping in and making arrests just at the point where the transactions were made (as what had occurred with relative frequency in the Bush administration under a different program - I forget the name at the moment) was completely overlooked in F&F. They simply let the perps go. This methodology was approved at the highest levels, or at least pencil-whipped by Holder et. al., thereby showing just how monumentally stupid he and his ilk are.
Eupher, which part is far-fetched? That these were their purposes, or that this is spelled out in the docs? The second I grant you is at best a 50-50 proposition. They may not have committed their underlying purposes to documents or emails. The first is nothing beyond the twisted evil of this White House--and I do mean evil. I can't see why terrorizing border agents wouldn't be one of their underlying purposes. How the guns were sold and exactly to whom will mean something, too--we may see a strategy of targeting areas of illegal migrant influx to make it asier for that influx.
I would guess that the change was made for just what it looks like--making sure these people were better armed. If you're the Obama thugocracy, why not?
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I wonder if this was a two-fer: undermine our right to own guns and arm drug dealers for the express purpose of killing border agents. So that illegals can pass more easily yet into the country. To become Obama voters.
And these docs might spell much of this purpose out. Not just a botched "gunwalk," but actual and deliberate assistance in the murder and general intimidation of US border agents.
I'll bet money there are more dead agents listed in those docs, as well.
I wouldn't be surprised. Such a disgrace.
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Two words; Jerry Ford
Gerald Ford was a Republican like Richard Nixon and it was the right move. Ford should of pardoned everyone involved in Watergate. That scandal is nothing today.
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Eupher, which part is far-fetched? That these were their purposes, or that this is spelled out in the docs? The second I grant you is at best a 50-50 proposition. They may not have committed their underlying purposes to documents or emails. The first is nothing beyond the twisted evil of this White House--and I do mean evil. I can't see why terrorizing border agents wouldn't be one of their underlying purposes. How the guns were sold and exactly to whom will mean something, too--we may see a strategy of targeting areas of illegal migrant influx to make it asier for that influx.
I would guess that the change was made for just what it looks like--making sure these people were better armed. If you're the Obama thugocracy, why not?
I think the entire conspiracy angle that you're projecting is far-fetched. I just don't think that Holder and Obama are that engaged in what ATF is doing.
Did you read this book?
http://www.huntingtonnews.net/29022
The only thing I disagree with in the review is that it portrays F&F as coming out of Washington, vis a vis the DOJ. Not so, according to the author. This absolute bullshit program was first touted by middle management in ATF, the same middle management that the author decries as being a typical example of the kind of management that seems to have infested ATF, the DEA, and other federal law enforcement agencies.
These are the guys who are political hacks, with little to no real experience, yet somehow find themselves in positions of authority.
The book is chock-full of references, links, and other supporting information. I definitely accept the author's POV, which is basically that F&F was a Phoenix/Tucson-based program from the concept level. F&F was approved at higher levels, most likely Holder. Certainly the cover-up was instigated at the highest levels of ATF and the DOJ.
So what is at stake here isn't the conspiracy of the cover-up, which a panic-stricken bureaucrat might employ out of fear. What's at stake here is DOJ's approval of F&F initially, which demonstrates monumental incompetence and pencil-whipping par excellence and THEN the cover-up after Terry was murdered.
Most of the cover-up occurred in the Phoenix office of the ATF, but I'm sure lots of shredding occurred elsewhere up the line.
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Gerald Ford was a Republican like Richard Nixon and it was the right move. Ford should of pardoned everyone involved in Watergate. That scandal is nothing today.
I could not disagree more.
That scandal alienated more Americans against the political process and fawned more distrust of politicians than had EVER been seen before.
That scandal caused the only resignation of a sitting U.S. president in history.
That scandal portrayed the president as having far more power and willingness to use it than had ever been thought imaginable.
That scandal helped created a cynicism that is still rampant today.
No, what happened in the early Seventies and culminating with Ford's pardon of Nixon in September 1974 was and still is huge in American politics.
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Obama Grants Holder Executive Privilege ...does that also mean Holder can use Air Force #1 for golfing vacations?
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I could not disagree more.
That scandal alienated more Americans against the political process and fawned more distrust of politicians than had EVER been seen before.
That scandal caused the only resignation of a sitting U.S. president in history.
That scandal portrayed the president as having far more power and willingness to use it than had ever been thought imaginable.
That scandal helped created a cynicism that is still rampant today.
No, what happened in the early Seventies and culminating with Ford's pardon of Nixon in September 1974 was and still is huge in American politics.
Well said.
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Listening to Rush while running errands and heard Queen Botox expounding on the contempt resolution and how it was an attack on Holder for working against "voter suppression." I guess botox really is corrosive to the brain.
I heard that and LMAO'd. Does she not realize that opens another avenue of attack on him?
(Theoretical Issa Statement): "I'd like to thank Representative Pelosi for her reminder of AG Holder's responsibilities. It is in this spirit that I am filing another request for a Contempt of Congress resolution against the AG, for his failure to enforce anti-voter suppression laws, specifically his decision to drop charges against the New Black Panther Party for their actions during the election of 2008. The Oversight and Government Reform Committee will be voting on this new resolution today."
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Well said.
Anyone who legitimately thinks Watergate was bad, should think F&F is orders of magnitude worse. Several commentators have made statements to the effect of "Watergate was child's play" in comparison. Some poster before you was trying to remember the name of the Bush administration sting that had nothing to do with F&F. It was "Wide Receiver".
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Anyone who legitimately thinks Watergate was bad, should think F&F is orders of magnitude worse. Several commentators have made statements to the effect of "Watergate was child's play" in comparison. Some poster before you was trying to remember the name of the Bush administration sting that had nothing to do with F&F. It was "Wide Receiver".
What he said.
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One wonders if O'gangsta and Holder have matching "Thug Nation" tats on their abdomens. That's what this country has become under his dictatorship.
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Anyone who legitimately thinks Watergate was bad, should think F&F is orders of magnitude worse. Several commentators have made statements to the effect of "Watergate was child's play" in comparison. Some poster before you was trying to remember the name of the Bush administration sting that had nothing to do with F&F. It was "Wide Receiver".
Badda-BING! :rant:
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I'm not sure if anyone's brought up this angle yet--giving weapons to groups that are fighting the Mexican government, without the knowledge of the Mexican government, is an act of war against the Mexican government. It can be easily established that the drug gangs want to transform Mexico into a narco-state, similar to how the Obamessiah and his minions want to transform the USA into a European socialist state. So, in conclusion, the Obama Administration committed an act of war against Mexico, and should be held accountable for that--all to try to destroy the Second Amendment.
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I'm not sure if anyone's brought up this angle yet--giving weapons to groups that are fighting the Mexican government, without the knowledge of the Mexican government, is an act of war against the Mexican government. It can be easily established that the drug gangs want to transform Mexico into a narco-state, similar to how the Obamessiah and his minions want to transform the USA into a European socialist state. So, in conclusion, the Obama Administration committed an act of war against Mexico, and should be held accountable for that--all to try to destroy the Second Amendment.
Committed an act of war without a declaration of war, clear and present danger to the country, or even bothering to tell Congress. Something there screams "High crimes and misdemeanors".
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Committed an act of war without a declaration of war, clear and present danger to the country, or even bothering to tell Congress. Something there screams "High crimes and misdemeanors".
Try to get the Democratics to see that angle.
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Committed an act of war without a declaration of war, clear and present danger to the country, or even bothering to tell Congress. Something there screams "High crimes and misdemeanors".
Libya, Yemen, Egypt, probably Syria, Africa, committing combat equipped US soldiers, and even actively attacking these countries with US military personnel, wholly without any congressional approval. Not to mention a de facto act of war in Mexico, owebuma should have already been convicted of undeclared wars many times over.
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Everyone knows that blaming Bush won't work. But seeing that it is all the liberals have, they might as well try it.
The democrat party is starting to realize that blaming President Bush is only working with the hardcore DUmmy types and isn't fooling the rest of us, so now they are starting to say that--while Bush is still to blame--the House is wasting time on this distraction when they should be working on JOBS. One of the three Hillary Rosens that Jay Carney knows was saying this--with a straight face--on ABC's This Week today.
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The democrat party is starting to realize that blaming President Bush is only working with the hardcore DUmmy types and isn't fooling the rest of us, so now they are starting to say that--while Bush is still to blame--the House is wasting time on this distraction when they should be working on JOBS. One of the three Hillary Rosens that Jay Carney knows was saying this--with a straight face--on ABC's This Week today.
Two of the things main things this election is about is jobs and the economy. Since Obama's hasn't helped either of those, and really has nothing else to run on. They are going to try anything they can to distract from it. Whether it be blame Bush, call everyone a racist, give 1 million illegals amnesty so they can vote for him, force states to stop purging illegal voters, cause a race war, give free birth control and accuse the right of hating women, etc, etc, etc... They will stop at nothing to keep his record from coming up.