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Scootaloo
What I've learned about conservatives in the last few months
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A few months ago, I received an (apparently mistaken!) ban from DU. Berift of a good place to talk politics and go back and forth with people, I decided to poke into the forums and discussion areas of "the competition." For several months, up until just a few days ago, I was engaging people on numerous right-wing websites. FreeRepublic,RightNation, Townhall and WND comment areas, even on the comments sections of various Youtube videos, and a few others besides.
I've reached the conclusion that we - that is, DU and the Left community at large - have made a pretty big error regarding these people. You think they're bad? I've discovered that they're much worse.
Go to any thread on DU (or your choice of left-leaning site) that talks about something a conservative is doing. You'll find people divining what that conservative is doing. "He wants to increase corporate power," or "they want to expand war in the middle east," or "she wants to make Christianity compulsory in schools." We take their actions and we examine them, and we assign motive. We approach those actions to try to figure them out, with the assumption that the people involved are behaving in some rational way.
Take for instance the frequently-wondered question, "why does the conservative 'base' consistently vote against their own self-interests?" It seems like a totally irrational thing to do, right, voting against your own interests? So we've come up with a narrative that helps us make sense of this phenomena; "the Republican party scares them with blacks / gays / muslims," or "the fundies think Republicans will 'save the babies'," or, of course "they just aren't educated about it." We rationalize their actions, in other words.
We're wrong. Dead wrong. Our assumption - that no matter how odd or self-destructive the behavior, conservatives have some rationale for it - is completely misbegotten. There is no "conservative plan." There is no agenda. There's no over-arching narrative from the right. if the Democrats are "playing chess," as the phrase goes, then I am absolutely certain it's a solo game, because there's nobody home on the other side of the board.
Let me be blunt. The conservatives are driven exclusively by hatred. There's nothing rational about it. Their only goal (if it can be called that) is to cause pain and distress, because they enjoy it. Even if it's their own. Sometimes especially if it's their own. Theirs is a worldview based around sadism. At every turn, they will with 100% certainly take the action that causes the most injury to the most people. They can always be counted on to say and do the things that will cause the deepest offense and pain. Not because they're clueless. Not because they're misguided. Not because they're "trolls." There is no "lol u mad bro?" at the end of what a conservative does. They're perfectly sincere in their desire to inflict and enjoy suffering.
When I say there is no conservative plan, I mean that. It's a sort of optical illusion. it's all these people, some with power, most without, all trying to get their jollies off by causing harm. Some methods are more effective than others, and so there tends to be a gravitation towards such things that gives the appearance of an "agenda" - but in truth it's a whole lot of random mother****ers doing whatever it takes to get their "fix" for that moment.
The conservative voter voting against his best-interest isn't behaving with any sort of rationale. He's not ill-informed, he's not deluded, he's simply trying to get that fix; it's junkie logic. "If I vote this way, a lot of people will suffer for it, and that makes me happy. I'll suffer too, but that just gives me more fuel to hate with."
And no mincing here. I really do mean all conservatives. There are no "good guys" left over there. No straggling holdouts. The conservative movement has spent nearly forty years purging its ranks of any sort of reason, intellectualism, or empathic individuals, and has been growing more shrill, more hateful, and more harmful the entire time. If someone says, "I am a conservative," then they are simply hoping you will give them the benefit of the doubt that they 'aren't like those other guys' in order to make it easier for them to find some way to stab you and laugh. It always comes out that way.
We need to reconsider our approach. There really is no educating conservatives at this point. There's no way to engage in meaningful debate with a person who has defined their existence by expressing hatred. There's no way to compromise with someone whose only goal is to hurt you. They're lost causes, and we need to work around, rather than trying to engage.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002732425
I get tired of them claiming that I vote against my own self interests, these clowns have no idea what my self interests are, I can tell you being a pawn of an overbearing federal government does not fall into my self interests.
TBA
1. There is this woman at work
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going on about how she supported the death penalty but then began complaining about the lethal injection process. She was appalled that the first injection puts the person to sleep. Basically, the inmate was not suffering enough for her.
I chimed in... "hey lets just bring back the Inquisition...we could put 'em on the rack and slowly pull them apart or maybe make them ride the iron maiden".
She was all about it. Seriously. Totally missed my sarcasm
When I told my kids they called it my "Stephen Colbert" moment.
I really think you are spot on in your assessment.
Maybe it was you missing her sarcasm, then again this whole story was nothing but a bouncy anyway.
obxhead
3. "There really is no educating conservatives at this point."
Our only hope is to get to their children before they destroy there minds. It's the only way we can end the vicious cycle.
Great idea indoctrinate the children, Hitler would be proud of you. If anyone needs an education it is you fools at DUmmyland not a one of you has an ounce of common sense.
sarcasmo
6. When you read the right message boards, race, hate and stupidity all are tied for #1.
You just described DU.
DFW
8. I was thinking abour how very accurately this describes a guy I know
Maybe "know" is too strong a word. He's a guy I run into every year anyway. He'll be 67 this year. He was head of the "American Conservative Union," whatever that is, and (I looked him up) is now president of the NRA (how fitting). He's not stupid, and is probably wealthy. He started out as president of the far right "Young Americans for Freedom," and extreme rightist youth organization that had a few members when I took my one and only year at a boarding school. He worked for Spiro Agnew when he was VP, and he certainly was in his element there, it appears.
At this gathering we attend every year, which is known for requiring a civil, non-partisan atmosphere (I try, I really do LOL!!), this guy is known for being nasty to everyone who disagrees with him (that's most everybody)--I mean really evil, as in yelling at a member of the Obama administration the she was talking "bullshit" in an open and well-attended public forum. That is SO not what this gathering is about that the woman just looked at him with mouth agape, as did most of the rest of us. I am quite sure he still thinks he did nothing wrong, and would be amazed if there were any consequences (like not being invited back) for his behavior.
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We're wrong. Dead wrong. Our assumption - that no matter how odd or self-destructive the behavior, conservatives have some rationale for it - is completely misbegotten. There is no "conservative plan." There is no agenda. There's no over-arching narrative from the right. if the Democrats are "playing chess," as the phrase goes, then I am absolutely certain it's a solo game, because there's nobody home on the other side of the board.
Keep thinking that, please. And all other DUmpmonkies - you should also think this.
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Why do only 20% of the population subscribe to the politics of the left?
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One DUmmie to another DUmmie, "Coservatives are a bunch of crazy bastards. They work hard, save their money, take care of themselves, mind their own business and expect us to do the same. The bastards are crazy I tell you!"
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Why do only 20% of the population subscribe to the politics of the left?
Because the 80% is a bunch of morons. Only a select few are smart enough to follow the progressive religion and worship the god known as government. :-)
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Excellent point.. Why do liberals always think they know whats best for people.
Could say more but anger is boiling up ad i do not want to use indecent language
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Excellent point.. Why do liberals always think they know whats best for people.
Could say more but anger is boiling up ad i do not want to use indecent language
:lmao: ...I know what you mean....and it's Sunday too.... :lmao:
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Why do only 20% of the population subscribe to the politics of the left?
Because they're the informed ones. The rest of us are idiots..
...at least thats what they believe...
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obxhead
3. "There really is no educating conservatives at this point."
Our only hope is to get to their children before they destroy there minds. It's the only way we can end the vicious cycle.
Stay the **** away from my children. You couldn't get to them anyway, I raised them right.
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Because the 80% is a bunch of morons. Only a select few are smart enough to follow the progressive religion and worship the god known as government. :-)
And they are, as pointed out here by The Only Real Hope for America.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkmS6JrWSPU&feature=related[/youtube]
Props to m/zeit for sending me that this Sunday morning. :rotf:
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What I learn from liberals...
When they get banned from a website they spend all day at, they head over and troll at conservative sites and YouTube. They have no jobs. They have plenty of time to learn about us conservatives and the way they think. I'm not sure how they do this at YouTube. I've seen comment sections there and people don't sign, "a liberal" or "a conservative". Most of the people on YouTube making comments on videos are teenagers. I can rarely make out what the comments are even saying since they're not even in English.
Get a job, loser.
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obxhead
3. "There really is no educating conservatives at this point."
Our only hope is to get to their children before they destroy there minds. It's the only way we can end the vicious cycle.
My daughter will be in private school. Away from your f-ed up unions and their indoctrination.
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It always amazes me how the DUmmies can equate not supporting turning this country into Ameritopia with "voting against our own self interest".
Rejecting what the Liberals stand for and want for all of us is very MUCH in my self interest.
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He actually spent his whole day watching MSNBC and is just parroting what they said.
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It always amazes me how the DUmmies can equate not supporting turning this country into Ameritopia with "voting against our own self interest".
Rejecting what the Liberals stand for and want for all of us is very MUCH in my self interest.
A DUmmie's self interest is getting as much as they can with the least amount of effort. MY self interest (as well as my fellow conservatives, I assume) is what is best for the COUNTRY.
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before they destroy there minds.
I'm sure that was written by a unionized schoolteacher.
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Study after study shows that conservatives understand liberals' ideas far better than liberals understand conservatives'.
Pretty simple really.
Does an action increase personal liberty without infringing on the life, liberty, and/or property of another? If the answer is "yes," the action is good. If "no," then it isn't. The nuance and areas of disagreement among conservatives occor, of course, in the shades of gray enabled by the second half of that question. But in all, it's pretty simple.
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My daughter will be in private school. Away from your f-ed up unions and their indoctrination.
So will mine. I have every intention of knowing exactly what is going on in my daughter's classroom.
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Scootaloo
What I've learned about conservatives in the last few months
As someone who used to be a liberal, given what you said afterwards it's more than obvious that you learned nothing. All you did is come back and describe what you'd already determined to be the case anyway. I remember those days and the trappings of knowing exactly what the position to take was on any given topic or issue before the events even took place. You're caught in a trap, primitives, and you either don't even know it, you've given in to it, or you're actually stupid enough to believe it, but those are the only choices.
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Oh enlightened DUmbass, please come inform me of what my self-interest is! I bee to dum two no!
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Stay the **** away from my children. You couldn't get to them anyway, I raised them right.
Given that they're either gay or have aborted their own children, they think that they have a right to screw up yours.
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Excuse me miss, I speak liberalese. Let me translate for you guys:
"Because I forgot to use group-think, I was banned from DU, so as penance I went and routinely got my ass kicked in debate at conservative boards (who did not ban me just for being a liberal by the way). I'm pretty bitter about it, and am sorry for my slip up here at DU. I truly do love Big Brother."
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Freeper, what made you pick that guy for your avatar? Every time my wife sees him on TV she gets intrigued by his hair. Why does he do it that way? How long does it take? Has he really looked at it in a mirror?
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Freeper, what made you pick that guy for your avatar? Every time my wife sees him on TV she gets intrigued by his hair. Why does he do it that way? How long does it take? Has he really looked at it in a mirror?
It's just a fun avatar is why I picked it. I think he smokes pot all day dreaming up alien conspiracies so that is why his hair looks like that. :-)
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Study after study shows that conservatives understand liberals' ideas far better than liberals understand conservatives'.
Pretty simple really.
Does an action increase personal liberty without infringing on the life, liberty, and/or property of another? If the answer is "yes," the action is good. If "no," then it isn't. The nuance and areas of disagreement among conservatives occor, of course, in the shades of gray enabled by the second half of that question. But in all, it's pretty simple.
...and DUmps like that post show exactly why.
It always amazes me how the DUmmies can equate not supporting turning this country into Ameritopia with "voting against our own self interest".
I thought we were all selfish. Which is it, retards?
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The lib the OP quotes is quite the projectionist. If he wasn't he would see that libs react emotionally, conservatives rely on reason, rationality, and logic. They hate that
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What I know about liberals:
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like they do is a "hater"
All people must be put into neat little boxes where they all think exactly the same way: blacks go in one box and they're all supposed to think race pimps are Gods, Trayvon never aged past 12, white men are to blame for everything, the world is racist. Oh, and thanks to decades of dependence on Democrat inner city plantation they must believe the Democrats are their saviors and Republicans are evil.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Women go in another box and they must all be pro choice feminists, think men are responsible for holding them back, they've gotten a raw deal since the beginning of time thanks to patriarchal assholes who have a penis. They must be perpetually angry and think they're victims of oppression.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Hispanics go in another group. They're all in favor of illegal immigration, do the jobs that Americans won't do and are all noble people who are victims of a white male world.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Gays fit in another box. They all support gay marriage and think they've been treated like second class citizens because they have the same rights as anyone else in the country but somehow don't see that. They think the world would be a better place if we started teaching kindergartners the joy of gay families. Gay pride parades aren't deviant they're a form of self expression.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Native Americans fit in another box...we've all heard the evil white man thing. Muslims fit in another box and Jews who (unless they're Democrats and hate Israel) are worse than Islamic terrorists who are just misunderstood and so they strap bombs to their children in desperation.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Christians are stupid. Christian women are especially stupid. And they hate sex. All Christians have sex in the missionary position. Christianity is a way to oppress women.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
White men fit in another box. They're evil, patriarchal bastards responsible for everything evil in the world.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Conservatives vote against their own interests. Oh, and they're haters.
Did I mention everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Cindie
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...and DUmps like that post show exactly why.
I thought we were all selfish. Which is it, retards?
Yep, in one thread, we're selfish evil bastards and in the next, we're so clueless that we vote against our self-interest. They fail to see the inconsistency.
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The conservatives are driven exclusively by hatred. There's nothing rational about it.
One of the best pot calling kettle ever!!
When translated properly what a DUchebag means is "Why do the conservatives keep vote against MY interests!!!!"
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What I know about liberals:
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like they do is a "hater"
All people must be put into neat little boxes where they all think exactly the same way: blacks go in one box and they're all supposed to think race pimps are Gods, Trayvon never aged past 12, white men are to blame for everything, the world is racist. Oh, and thanks to decades of dependence on Democrat inner city plantation they must believe the Democrats are their saviors and Republicans are evil.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Women go in another box and they must all be pro choice feminists, think men are responsible for holding them back, they've gotten a raw deal since the beginning of time thanks to patriarchal assholes who have a penis. They must be perpetually angry and think they're victims of oppression.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Hispanics go in another group. They're all in favor of illegal immigration, do the jobs that Americans won't do and are all noble people who are victims of a white male world.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Gays fit in another box. They all support gay marriage and think they've been treated like second class citizens because they have the same rights as anyone else in the country but somehow don't see that. They think the world would be a better place if we started teaching kindergartners the joy of gay families. Gay pride parades aren't deviant they're a form of self expression.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Native Americans fit in another box...we've all heard the evil white man thing. Muslims fit in another box and Jews who (unless they're Democrats and hate Israel) are worse than Islamic terrorists who are just misunderstood and so they strap bombs to their children in desperation.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Christians are stupid. Christian women are especially stupid. And they hate sex. All Christians have sex in the missionary position. Christianity is a way to oppress women.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
White men fit in another box. They're evil, patriarchal bastards responsible for everything evil in the world.
Everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Conservatives vote against their own interests. Oh, and they're haters.
Did I mention everyone who doesn't think exactly like liberals do is a "hater"
Cindie
Damn, Cindy, YOU ROLL!!!!
:clap: and ^5! :II:
Oh, and about Christians having sex only in the missionary position.
I find the missionary position best left to ... missionaries! :lmao:
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Once again, they show they know absolutely nothing about their opposition. A very vulnerable place to be.
Sounds like that guy got his ass handed to him over and over again. Laughed at, too.