Biggest reason why I despised shipyard.
Some idiot was probably supposed to have a fire watch and didn't post one. Memo to shipyard dicks--heat can go through bulkheads, which is why you have fire watches on BOTH SIDES of a bulkhead you're welding/grinding on.
Admiral Hyman Rickover on Responsibility
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fECXhtX6uh0/SxT6ZPrrq7I/AAAAAAAACPQ/iK1VwFvr3lU/s200/rickover.jpg)
"Responsibility is a unique concept. It can only reside and inhere in a single individual. You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you. You may disclaim it, but you cannot divest yourself of it. Even if you do not recognize it or admit its presence, you cannot escape it. If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion or ignorance or passing the blame can pass the burden to someone else. Unless you can point your finger at the man responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible."
Care to speculate on exactly who is responsible for maintaining ship conditions? Also, who mans the top side watch? :drunksailor:
Care to speculate on exactly who is responsible for maintaining ship conditions? Also, who mans the top side watch? :drunksailor:
Now how did Hymie put that thing about Responsibility?
It is possible the firewatch was not on their toes. It is also possible there were combustible materials in the area that should not have been where they were (aka trade litter). Question is, who is responsible for ship safety in dock? I am going to file this under shit happens and much ado about nothing until more is known.
I mean it is not like they sunk a boat in dry dock for Pete sake {cough, Mare Island, cough).
Biggest reason why I despised shipyard.
Some idiot was probably supposed to have a fire watch and didn't post one. Memo to shipyard dicks--heat can go through bulkheads, which is why you have fire watches on BOTH SIDES of a bulkhead you're welding/grinding on.
Personal experience--when I was on the Holland, the NSF (Nuclear Support Facility) was immediately forward of one of the Engine Room spaces. One night as I was RCSS (Radcon Shift Supervisor) I noted paint smouldering and bubbling on the bulkhead between the NSF and ER. I literally hammered on the wall and yelled at them to stop and directed the NSF Watch to get a fire extinguisher. The dipshit doing the welding 1--wasn't supposed to be doing that, considering any changes to nuclear facilities or spaces adjacent to them takes NAVSEA 08 approval, 2--figured that a fire watch wasn't necessary because it was on "his" side of the bulkhead, 3--couldn't find a radworker qualified guy to be a firewatch anyway.
Needless to say, after the Ship's Duty Officer and I got through with him, and the Radcon Officer got through with him, then the Repair Officer got through with him, he had about 1/10 ounce of ass left.
I mean it is not like they sunk a boat in dry dock for Pete sake {cough, Mare Island, cough).
Frikkin' moron! Where were you at the time, Metro Machine? That sounds like something those idiots would do.
I mean it is not like they sunk a boat in dry dock for Pete sake {cough, Mare Island, cough).
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She became known as the Coast Guard submarine after an incident that occurred while she was undergoing repairs while in drydock 14 March 1963, when a disgruntled crewman opened the drydock's seacocks, sinking both the drydock and the Tamaroa. A history written by a former crewman of Tamaroa noted:
"In [March], 1963, in the dark of a winter night, Tamaroa slipped below the waters of New York Harbor when a drunk and disorderly crew member opened the port side valves of Tam's dry dock. Tam was listing 10 degrees to port when the OD sounded the alarm. James Perkins, a crew member at the time, wrote later, 'Pause for a second, if you will, and take note of the fact that the Tam is in port, out of the water, and some idiot sounds the alarm to abandon ship at midnight.' It's December 22, colder than a well digger's belt buckle outside, the keel is above water and (someone) wants me to go outside? The seriousness of the situation was spreading, the crew sensed something was wrong and, finally, abandoned ship. Some had blankets, some were in their skivvies, some were barefoot. The temperature was 20 degrees and the wind was howling. The Tam listed further to port, things started to creak and groan in the dark. Nobody knew the cause. In the midst of all that confusion, everyone had forgotten that the captain was on board that night. The Tam is about to fall over and he's still asleep in his cabin! One of the crew, who was showering when the alarm sounded, ran back up the ladder clad in a towel and roused the captain from a solid sleep. They flew down the ladder, getting away from what was an apparent disaster about to happen. Upon reaching land, the whole flippin' mess went over. The Tam had every sea cock cut out of her, the stern tube packing was out [and] she went down like a lead sinker. It took nine months and $3.2 million to rebuild Tamaroa."
Stationed in Guam. The welder was from R-2 (ship guy.)
The Guitarro was a combination of several issues--competing tests, the SDO (Ship's Duty Officer) and STE's (Shipyard Test Engineers) not talking to each other, and fouled hatches.
Personally, I'd rather sink a boat next to the pier than burn one up in the drydock. Both suck, but the former sucks slightly less.
After attending shipboard, and flight deck firefighting schools, I concluded I would be better off not having to fight a real one.
When I was listening to the news this morning on my way to work, the guy they were interviewing said it was still under investigation, that was 8:30 am est.
the only time I was in a submarine was when the HMS Orion was docked in Portsmouth, NH. That was (1990??). I am not sure what the measurement difference is, but I do remember it being very narrow.
As I reflected this morning, it must be hard to put out a fire in a narrow area.
I am glad there were no fatalities, and a speedy recovery to those who were injured...
Firefighting on a sub? Yikes probably the worst environment you could ever find. One way in, dark, darn hard to ventilate, toxic fumes are a given.
Overhauling a nuclear submarine is a lot like rebuilding an engine through the tailpipe. And to make things even more fun the stuff which comes out last has to go back in first (abreviated CF). Add to that the unexpected surprises one finds from repairs made underway or at certain mid-pacific service stations (never documented anywhere) and you can be in for a whole bunch of surprises not caught by the survey teams.
Firefighting on a sub? Yikes probably the worst environment you could ever find. One way in, dark, darn hard to ventilate, toxic fumes are a given.
BTW O_zombie, I was the guy at the Lakes who asked the Chief if he could demonstrate the goose neck tecnique for fighting an oil fire one more time. Since I was the lead guy on the hose I figured it would be a prudent move not to have a bunch of burning oil flash back on me. His comment was something like "College kid, huh." :-)
I'd rather be a grunt in a firefight than fighting a fire on a boat.
New info available here:
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=67636
Looks like it was a vacuum cleaner that set it off. :thatsright:
I find it interesting that it was a vac. I thought SY vac's were designed not to do that, like maybe even air operated?
I find it interesting that it was a vac. I thought SY vac's were designed not to do that, like maybe even air operated?
Minor fire extinguished on USS George H.W. Bush (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/07/minor-fire-extinguished-on-uss-george-hw-bush/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29)
Published June 07, 2012 | Associated Press
NORFOLK, Va. – The Navy says a minor fire broke...
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New fire (at least this one wasn't aboard a sub).
As long as the damage isn't structural in nature (i.e., the major cost was equipment) I can see where they'll try to put her back together, otherwise, she's a huge pile of unusable HY-80.
I look at what they did with the San Francisco (aka "Frankenboat") but it's so hard to say if the hull on Miami was weakened by the fire.
KITTERY, Maine — Navy investigators said something hot was sucked into a vacuum cleaner that subsequently caused the fire aboard the USS Miami on May 23, causing $400 million in damage.
Moreover, the Navy said in statement released Friday, the vacuum cleaner should have been emptied. Navy Public Affairs said shipyards “are directed to empty...vacuum cleaners each shift or remove them from the ship.â€
According to a statement released by the public affairs office at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, the fire started with a “heat source†that was vacuumed up, “igniting debris in the vacuum cleaner.â€
The vacuum, a shop vacuum “you would find in a typical shop environment,†was unplugged at the time.
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Link to local rag:
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20120608-NEWS-120609720
Suspect Charged in Connection with USS Miami Fire
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Story Number: NNS120723-05Release Date: 7/23/2012 12:10:00 PM
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From Defense Media Activity - Navy
PORTLAND, Maine (NNS) -- The Naval Criminal Investigative Service has made an arrest in connection with a $400 million dollar fire on board USS Miami May 23 and other incidents at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, Maine.
Casey James Fury, a 24-year-old civilian worker at the Shipyard, is charged with arson. He was taken into custody by NCIS July 20 and had a first appearance hearing before a federal magistrate in Portland, Maine July 23.
Information gathered by NCIS indicates that Fury is responsible for the fire on board USS Miami. Additionally he is charged with setting a second minor fire in the Shipyard's Dry Dock #2 area June 16.
The criminal complaint accuses Fury of two counts of Title 18, United States Code, Section 81 (Arson) "within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, willfully and maliciously set fire to and burned a vessel, namely the USS Miami, together with building materials and supplies located thereon." The second count will be specific to burned building materials and supplies located in and around USS Miami.
A criminal investigation headed by NCIS began soon after the fire was reported May 23 and is ongoing. Other law enforcement agencies including ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) are assisting in this investigation.
The Navy has begun planning repairs with the goal of returning USS Miami to the fleet.
Details of how the fire on board USS Miami was started and other matters of evidence are not being released.
Any further comment about the arrest or prosecution will be made by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Portland, Maine.
For more information, visit www.navy.mil, www.facebook.com/usnavy, or www.twitter.com/usnavy.
Updated information:
And there you have it. ARSON.
Did Brian Ross get a chance to say he was a rightwinger/teapartier?
Sounds like a typical military hating DUmmie to me.
Yep. I think that would be a safe bet.
To be honest, my first thought was some sort of environmental nut, but some of DU fits that, also.
May not have been intentional. The man may have been smoking a joint heard someone coming and ditched the thing any where he could find.
Another BS for you Vesta. One fire could be an accident, more than one, not so much.
I actually thought along the lines of some posters who conjectured about improperly conducted welding operations. I'm glad I was wrong, and that they caught a firebug.
Bottom line, I hope his now EX-girlfriend sends him pics of her knob-gobbling her "new" boyfriend until this little douchetool eats a shotgun.
He endangered countless people, destroyed a boat, and for what? Cause he was butthurt over a woman and wanted to leave work?
I hope he spends the rest of his miserable life getting ass-plowed by Bubba. He ain't going to a state prison, he's going to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Hopefully Supermax.
Oh, and vesta? Read the comments at the Union Leader?
You do realize most of those clowns are as clueless as, well, YOU?
Shipyard worker who set fire to nuclear submarine sentenced to 17 years in jailGuardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/15/uss-miami-military-submarine-fire-sentence)
A shipyard worker who set fire to rags aboard a nuclear submarine because he wanted to go home was sentenced to 17 years in jail on Friday for the blaze that transformed the vessel into a fiery furnace, injured seven people and caused $450m in damage.
Casey James Fury, pictured, also was ordered to pay $400m in restitution.
Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/15/uss-miami-military-submarine-fire-sentence)
He. Wanted. To. Go. Home. :thatsright:
He'll get to do just that every night after his ass-pounding.
He'll go back to his cell for the next 15 years.
Rather comedic fining this jackoff $400m. As if he's actually going to pay it while in prison or, for that matter, even afterwards. :whatever: