All over the MSM in 5....4....3....
oh wait.
Romney may or may not have hurt a student's feelings in 1965.
All over the MSM in 5....4....3....
oh wait.
Romney may or may not have hurt a gay student's feelings in 1965.
It will be interesting to see how this develops. IF he's found to not be a natural born American everything he's done while president is null and void. THAT should wake some people up!
KC
I think he is a natural born citizen but I think he lied in college about where he was born. That is why nothing has been released from college. I think his whole life is a "composite", just like his girlfriend in his book. He is a work of fiction.
It's OK to lie to further your agenda if you're ademocratmuslimdemocrat....just ask Bill Clinton.
I think he is a natural born citizen but I think he lied in college about where he was born. That is why nothing has been released from college. I think his whole life is a "composite", just like his girlfriend in his book. He is a work of fiction.
Yeah, and also about his religion. It all has to do with different gravy trains arriving at his station, from getting into a school for Muslims in Indonesia to playing multiple minority cards at Harvard (And Elizabeth Warren demonstrates perfectly what a great scam that has been).
Out of his own mouth.
He's either a liar or a non-citizen.
I think he's both.
It will be interesting to see how this develops. IF he's found to not be a natural born American everything he's done while president is null and void. THAT should wake some people up!
KC
Get's my vote! How do ya tell when O'Bummer is lying? His purple lips move! POS!
It says he is the first African American president but says it's from 1991? :???:
I think he is a natural born citizen but I think he lied in college about where he was born. That is why nothing has been released from college. I think his whole life is a "composite", just like his girlfriend in his book. He is a work of fiction.
Well. I'm hoping to parlay this into getting rid of both his USSC judges.
1 of the comments from the Daily Mail's article on this, someone from Florida said "who cares, he's a damn good President". Can you believe that? an American with no idea what the Constitution says!
Maybe he wasn't born at all.
I'm thinking Abby Normal here.
It will be interesting to see how this develops. IF he's found to not be a natural born American everything he's done while president is null and void. THAT should wake some people up!
KC
1 of the comments from the Daily Mail's article on this, someone from Florida said "who cares, he's a damn good President". Can you believe that? an American with no idea what the Constitution says!
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
This is where the narcissist differs from others (from "normal" people).
His very self is a piece of fiction concocted to fend off hurt and to nurture the narcissist's grandiosity. He fails in his "reality test" - the ability to distinguish the actual from the imagined. The narcissist fervently believes in his own infallibility, brilliance, omnipotence, heroism, and perfection. He doesn't dare confront the truth and admit it even to himself.
If (or "since") Obama is not a natural born citizen, then no citizen has any right to vote for him.
If (or "since") he is not a natural born citizen, then no vote can cleanse his lack of qualification, and he can only be a usurper of the office.
If (or "since") he is not a natural born citizen, then NO bill written by congress can be signed into law, and no act by the Executive office, nor any one of the Government Organizations, can be legitimate. Under those terms, the Supreme Court cannot legitimately rule on a case as two persons on the Bench are not entitled to be there. And Biden is not entitled to the office, as he was appointed to the ticket by Obama.
Obama would not even be entitled to impeachment, as it is reserved solely for those who are legitimately elected to the office of President, as a means to cleanse that election due to wrongdoing while in Office.
Under such terms all three branches of government are entirely illegitmate -- a "Constitutional Crisis".
"Obama Must Stand Up Now Or Step Down" (http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm), Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
That said, I have to recognize the real problem here as being "political". The Constutiotn does not anywhere provide a method for the Supreme Court to act to remove, or suggest the removal of, the President for not being a natural born citizen. And it is uncertain if Congress itself has that authority any longer, once it validated the results of the election.
Does Hitlery know about this?
I bet she does and is pushing the birthers anyway she can.....and she's probably so excited that she's wetting her pants. I bet it's taking all her and Bill have to just keep her in depends.
I hope this has legsIt wont!
Made me laugh. H5Nice reference to Young Frankenstein. Make sure you pronounce it correctly.
I think his whole life is a "composite", just like his girlfriend in his book. He is a work of fiction.
Pipe dreams, born in Hawaii of a US citizen mother and a noncitizen father (To whom the mother was not married IIRC) is still a natural born citizen. Not to say that I doubt there are papers all over the place that people are sitting on where he declared himself a Muslim, an Indonesian, or a Kenyan for convenience at the time, but if he just lied rather than formally renounced his US citizenship or elected a non-US citizenship once he was an adult, it means nothing legally.
And an improper President does not render the other two branches illegitimate.
Since this "mistake" is floating around, has anyone been able to explain the Connecticut SSN?When that secret is unlocked it will lead straight to his benefactor that paid for his ivy league education.
Since this "mistake" is floating around, has anyone been able to explain the Connecticut SSN?
I hope this has legsUnfortunately, not much chance. Most people could care less, and you know the media will never push it.
It does not matter where Obama was born.
Obama could be born dressed in swaddling cloths, in a manger, on the steps of the Supreme Court, and witnessed by all Nine, and he still would not be a natural born citizen of the United States.
He was born with allegiance to Britain through his father, that makes him incapable of being a natural born citizen.
Obama *WANTS* us to focus on the birth Certificate! His original site, "fight the smears", works to distort the Constitutional requirement is "citizen" , or "native citizen" (sound a little like "natural born citizen"), but none of these are the same as "natural born citizen", and he knows it.
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It is far more than being merely a citizen at birth, which can come about from statute.
Natural born citizen, in the natural law language of the Declaration of Independence, is a "self evident Truth", where the citizenship is self evident, because the offspring cannot possibly be a citizen of anywhere else, being born with no other allegiance --- born in a country of parents who were its citizens.
How's that Yellowstone thing going?
Trip, unlike your last extended appearance here, I'm not going to waste a lot of explanation on your deaf ears as to why your legalistic-sounding BS is still total BS, but it's obvious to anyone who is a real lawyer that it's still total BS.
I did respond to the merits then, you just didn't understand them. What you want the law to mean and what the Federal courts have held it to mean in the past are not the same thing. For instance, you talk about what a term means based on the Declaration, however as historically important as it was, it is nowhere incorporated by reference into the Constitution as the law of the land, so what you read between its lines means nothing as far as US law is concerned. It's useful, but not binding, for a court trying to understand a term directly used in both, but beyond that it has no legal authority in deciding cases under laws enacted since the Ratification.
I don't hate you, you seem like a pretty intelligent guy with a minor manic problem. I just look at you as a time-wasting deceiver of yourself and others, like the periodic crop of yahoos who spring up and run around making a quick buck (or not) lecturing people on why they don't have to pay income taxes, or how they can print their own license plates, driver's licenses, or other documents as 'Constitutional Citizens,' or some other such malarkey. I've dealt the the wreckage guys like that have wrought on the gullible before, it isn't pretty.
But basically, you'd blow off any explanation I gave you this time, so just enjoy your fantasy world, I'm not going to waste my time looking up stuff you won't read or credit anyway. If you and your fellow thinkers are so convinced, raise money to publicize your issue and take it to court.
Now, why was this not dug up before?THAT was the whole point. Had the MSM actually vetted Obama, this would have easily been found. If I had to guess, I think the Breitbart staff debated long and hard about releasing this at all, because it is in no way a "birther" issue. Obama molded himself into what was needed to gain favor and advancement, and the media would not report it because he is the Chicago Jesus.
THAT was the whole point. Had the MSM actually vetted Obama, this would have easily been found. If I had to guess, I think the Breitbart staff debated long and hard about releasing this at all, because it is in no way a "birther" issue. Obama molded himself into what was needed to gain favor and advancement, and the media would not report it because he is the Chicago Jesus.Yeah but not the "hey zeus" pronunciation of it.
:popcorn:
I'm looking forward to this....
I doubt you're going to see much, I don't think DAT is willing to bother with this.
After having had several exchanges, I question whether DAT has the "firepower" to deal with this directly. But I agree; I doubt we will see much.
Now, why was this not dug up before?
At the end of the day...IMHO this whole birth certificate thing is stupid. If anything because his mother is American.
This is a distrction...and not worthy of discussion outside of a conspiracy thread.
British loyalty...facke doccuments...born in Kenya...born in Hawaii...when you look at what we REALLY need to point out to the masses about what this amateur in the WH has done...WHO THE **** CARES about his birth certificate?
Seriously? He was elected he's been in office almost four years...let it go people.
Focus all that time and energy you're devoting to this birther thing to talking about and getting the word out about what he's done to the debt...how he nationalized two auto companies...how he's telling CEO's what they can and can't make...and the myriad of other attempts to destroy this country form within that are happening on a daily basis from within his office.
:thatsright:
The funny thing is that all those transgressions you reference, and more, are all stemming from the fact that he was born with an allegiance to his father, and his father's Communism, while having disdain for American freedoms and free-market Capitalism. And very likely, he also acquired his affinity for Islam from his father, rather than the faux Christianity of Black Liberation Theology he pretends to cling to.
What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?
Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.
When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.
While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship, amendments since 1952 have eliminated these requirements.
Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother were US citizens if the mother was resident in the US for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen father acquired US citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.
And you can link to this where?
But you're right about one thing. That birth certificate doesn't matter at all. Obama could have been born in swaddling clothes, in a manger, on the steps of the Supreme Court, and witnessed by all Nine, and he still would not be a natural born citizen of these United States.
Unfortunately, your theory about the mother being sufficient to make him a natural born citizen... it doesn't appear anywhere in any of that Court's writings addressing the matter over its entire history. It's right up there with your pet theory that the founders discarded "unalienable rights" when they drafted the Constitution. And thank god they did too, otherwise we'd be "just like Canada"! :snicker:
And here is where I prove you wrong...again...this is getting too easy. Your oversized ego and hyper inflated sense of self makes you look even more foolish than you already are when you look and discover things like this:
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
You keep clining to your twisted and misinformed vision of what our laws are Chip...and I'll keep living in the real world.
The funny thing is that all those transgressions you reference, and more, are all stemming from the fact that he was born with an allegiance to his father, and his father's Communism, while having disdain for American freedoms and free-market Capitalism. And very likely, he also acquired his affinity for Islam from his father, rather than the faux Christianity of Black Liberation Theology he pretends to cling to.
And you can link to this where?
And here is where I prove you wrong...again...this is getting too easy. Your oversized ego and hyper inflated sense of self makes you look even more foolish than you already are when you look and discover things like this:QuoteWhat are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?
Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.
When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.
While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship, amendments since 1952 have eliminated these requirements.
Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother were US citizens if the mother was resident in the US for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen father acquired US citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
You keep clining to your twisted and misinformed vision of what our laws are Chip...and I'll keep living in the real world.
It was different in 1947.
My X-wife was born in Germany in 1947 to an American soldier married to a British mother. She had German and British citizenship when I married her at age 21. British by the fact her mother was British and German by the fact she was born in Germany. She got her U.S. citizenship after we were married. If she and I had had children, they probably would not have been able to be president due to the citizenship questions.
At the end of the day...IMHO this whole birth certificate thing is stupid. If anything because his mother is American.
This is a distrction...and not worthy of discussion outside of a conspiracy thread.
British loyalty...facke doccuments...born in Kenya...born in Hawaii...when you look at what we REALLY need to point out to the masses about what this amateur in the WH has done...WHO THE **** CARES about his birth certificate?
Seriously? He was elected he's been in office almost four years...let it go people.
Focus all that time and energy you're devoting to this birther thing to talking about and getting the word out about what he's done to the debt...how he nationalized two auto companies...how he's telling CEO's what they can and can't make...and the myriad of other attempts to destroy this country form within that are happening on a daily basis from within his office.
:thatsright:
What? You don't want to defend your theory that the Constitution is not based on "unalienable rights"?
I'm sure that onlookers here are not resting easy about that oath you swore to defend the Constitution
Jeez, threadstalk much?
Rest assured when I tell you that you are most definitely wrong and, quite frankly, you need to throttle back your attitude against a military veteran on this board who swore an oath and put his ass on the line; something that you could not find worthy of doing yourself.
The problem is you don't know even half the Truth.
And for the record, I consult
I spent the entirety of Desert Storm in a military base, doing work that I am still discouraged from talking about, but one might surmise what a geologist might be doing at a Navy base providing the intel for that particular incursion.
I know exactly what "military" means.
It's quite different from being a Government Issue ignoramus that has sought to harass since my arrival on the forum, and particularly given that oath, should have a far better knowledge of the Constitution, than things commonly known by the average elementary school child.
It is out of an abiding respect to those who do serve with honor and real appreciation for this country...
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,8777.0.htmlConservativeCave
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Overall, it is best that persons do not surmise what they don't know anything about.
If a poll was taken I'm sure you wouldn't like the outcome, just speaking from my perspective.
The idea that I in any way was "bashing" the troops is thoroughly ludicrous, and offensive.
If a poll was taken I'm sure you wouldn't like the outcome, just speaking from my perspective.
If you say so, Trip.
How very noble of you, Trip.
Bully for you, Trip.
I'm sure you think you do, Trip.
In case you missed it:
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,8777.0.html
Throttle it back, Trip.
Physician, heal thyself first.
Good thing the facts and the truth are not affected by a poll among idiots.You specified "idea" not a fact or truth. Even an idiot like you regard me can see that, can you ?
You specified "idea" not a fact or truth. Even an idiot like you regard me can see that, can you ?
The idea that I in any way was "bashing" the troops is thoroughly ludicrous, and offensive.
...a Government Issue ignoramus...
...those who do serve with honor and real appreciation for this country...
If you say so, Trip.
I know that I would personally take someone calling me "ignoramus" to my face as pretty blatantly disrespectful. If a Private said it to me today, they'd be standing in front of the Commander's desk tomorrow getting NJP.
Good thing the facts and the truth are not affected by a poll among idiots.
Every sane American should be deeply disturbed by the fact that any member of our military believes our rights to be "alienable", able to be taken from us, by the government authority which that military represents.
So I recognize those who do serve with honor and a real appreciation of this country, and somehow this is "bashing" the military? *Right*
Seems to me that you're calling the entire membership of this forum, "idiots". You just might want to reconsider that statement, Trip. I most certainly take offense to that statement! I'm certain that others do, too.
Government Issue ignoramus that has sought to harass since my arrival on the forum
So I recognize those who do serve with honor and a real appreciation of this country, and somehow this is "bashing" the military? *Right*
As I stated previously, "natural born" originates in Natural Law, not man-made Positive Law. This profoundly indicates that you won't find help for your ignorant theory anywhere in man-made statute!
What? You don't want to defend your theory that the Constitution is not based on "unalienable rights"? I'm sure that onlookers here are not resting easy about that oath you swore to defend the Constitution, since you evidently believe the federal government is able to forfeit our rights without any violation of that Constitution.
Damn...what I was preapred to say before chris_ got to him...
ETA: as a matter of fact, I am on the phone this very moment, with one of my best friends, a Viet Nam vet.