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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on May 16, 2012, 09:12:30 AM
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Cave_Johnson (37 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting
A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
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The Wizard (5,866 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. Fraud
The video of him arriving at the police station belies the report from an examination allegedly on the following day. The doctor opened himself up for cross examination. A good lawyer should be able to rip him a new asshole.
madokie (33,180 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. This is a family doctor who needs his license jerked
NYC_SKP (40,718 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Yup. nt.
badtoworse (2,179 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. For what reason?
madokie (33,180 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. For being bought off and lying his ass off
I seen the video at the police station, I read the report where he refused medical treatment. I also read that he wasn't seen for about a month after the murder so How can you question what I said with a straight face
This doctor is a fraud and I'm sure he will be shown to be such as this trial progresses
customerserviceguy (13,494 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
15. I'm sure the prosecution
will have someone who is an expert at medical diagnoses from poorly focused video, like you are.
Really, folks, does anyone here think a doctor would put a medical license on the line for this? Unless the cops were extremely incompetant in a case involving a dead person, they had some reasons for not arresting GZ the night of the shooting, or even a few days after. We're about to see their reasoning, and we'll be able to Monday-morning quarterback it as it comes out. Ever since this case became a national issue, I've felt that it was going to turn out to be a disappointment for those who quickly were willing to hang GZ.
madokie (33,180 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. Daddy
comes to mind as an answer to you
And yes there has many doctors who have lost their license over shit like this. Money talks bullshit walks.
badtoworse (2,179 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. Armchair CSI? Why don't you just go down and take over the prosecution since you're such an expert?
I'll wait to see what comes out in the trial. I've had the kinds of injuries he was diagnosed with lots of times growing up and they're not always immediately apparent. If he had black eyes the next day, do you think the doctor is the only witness than can corroborate that?
MrSlayer (18,342 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Why? Zimmerman had someone beat him up.
After he left the police station, if that video is accurate. I don't doubt the doctor, I doubt him.
Yes, because people who are arrested, detained, questioned and released without charge have themselves beaten-up just to guard against the possibility some moonbat will hound their story into the national spotlight a month after the event.
Happens all the time.
Especially with those white hispanics.
You know how those people are.
badtoworse (2,179 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. That might be hard to prove
The only injury that would necessarily show up in the video are the cuts to the back of the head. Swelling and bruising would likely not be apparent until later. Don't know about the broken nose.
sarge43 (15,818 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. A broken nose bleeds ... a lot. As do scalp lacerations.
At any time a quarter of our blood supply is in our head. Cut, crush or bruise veins in the head and that fact becomes evident very quickly.
Where's the EMT report? Was Zimmerman even examined on site? With those alleged injuries there was potential for concussion, internal bleeding, even brain injury. An untreated concussion can be fatal.
As usual this report just raises more questions.
madokie (33,180 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. The couple times I've had a black eye it was apparent almost immediately.
You are totally wrong on this one but then again bad to worse kinda explains that. Doesn't it?
I accidentally broke a kids nose on the bus once in Junior high school and in ten minutes it was obvious that he had a broken nose and two black eyes. Before he even got off the bus.
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obamanut2012 (2,606 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. I have had both black eyes and a broken nose
Last edited Wed May 16, 2012, 08:36 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
The swelling and bruising begins immediately. IMMEDIATELY.
And, even a casual viewer of boxing or MMA knows I'm not the only one.
Bake (19,173 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. My first question was, hmmm, who did Zippy get to punch him?
A sympathetic neighbor?
Maybe he did it himself with his pistol.
Bake
Solomon (8,662 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. Hope it comes out who beat him up after the incident.
The police video clearly shows he had no injuries.
He may have made things worse for himself.
magical thyme (797 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
35. you don't need no stinkin' x-ray machine to see that broken nose
You have x-ray vision!
malaise (92,159 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. Didn't see a sign of this in that video from the police station
Fugg these LIARS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002691879
OK, I get the point that they need Zimmerman lynched. They need somethiing to claim racism is alive in America. If Zimmerman killed Martin it must be a deep-seated distrust of blacks which in turns explains why Obama can't get a fair shake.
That's the narrative: exploit Martin, **** Zimmerman, ignore justice...
...cover Obama.
But even if that was your goal why hang everything on such absurdities? They have transitioned from unfounded claims of motive to unhinged conspiracy mongering and any professional that doesn't concur and reinforce their version of the facts is to be punished in typical Soviet style.
Do they really think they can peddle this crap to anyone who isn't already as repulsive as they are?
I want to win too but there comes a point where you're jumping the political shark and all that does is betray the magnitude of desperation borne of abject failure.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002691879
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Since they already convicted him, they will not listen to anything that could clear him. In their eyes, this was a pure hate crime.
Someone should start a topic about those two reporters who were beat in Richmond by a group of black guys and see what they do. Now that was a hate crime.
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Has anyone on DU brought up Trayvon's knuckles that the coroner observed?
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Figured nads would have flown in on her broom to enlighten the unwashed masses by now.
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Has anyone on DU brought up Trayvon's knuckles that the coroner observed?
Coroner = government
government = Zimmerman Sr's father
Zimmerman Sr = magistrate and CIA
ergo the funeral director is the more credible source.
Don't doubt me.
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Has anyone on DU brought up Trayvon's knuckles that the coroner observed?
Oh I am sure not. That would be a fact.
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Coroner = government
government = Zimmerman Sr's father
Zimmerman Sr = magistrate and CIA
ergo the funeral director is the more credible source.
Don't doubt me.
CIA = BFEE
You forgot that last piece.
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The DUmp always acts exactly like I thought they would every time. When I heard the news this morning I knew the DUmp would accuse the doctor being in on the scam.
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The DUmp always acts exactly like I thought they would every time. When I heard the news this morning I knew the DUmp would accuse the doctor being in on the scam.
It's both reassuring and sad that they're so predictable. You know how they're going to react--yet you wonder how they can be so wrong time after time.
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CIA = BFEE
You forgot that last piece.
CFR, and TLC.
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I'm not surprised and I'm sure no one else here is, either. I noticed one of them now asking for the EMT report, and of course when that is made public they'll call it fake, too. DUmmies are, if nothing else, predictable.
They've wanted Zimmerman lynched from Day One of this story breaking, and no amount of evidence this side of hell is going to change their minds.
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I'm not surprised and I'm sure no one else here is, either. I noticed one of them now asking for the EMT report, and of course when that is made public they'll call it fake, too. DUmmies are, if nothing else, predictable.
They've wanted Zimmerman lynched from Day One of this story breaking, and no amount of evidence this side of hell is going to change their minds.
They just might ignite some sort of shit to try to get their race war. I wouldn't put it past the race hustlers.
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I'm not surprised and I'm sure no one else here is, either. I noticed one of them now asking for the EMT report, and of course when that is made public they'll call it fake, too. DUmmies are, if nothing else, predictable.
They've wanted Zimmerman lynched from Day One of this story breaking, and no amount of evidence this side of hell is going to change their minds.
A "high tech lynching", almost as involved as the Clarence Thomas attempted lynching.
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sarge43 (15,818 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
At any time a quarter of our blood supply is in our head.
Can anyone corroborate this? Somehow having 25% of my entire body's blood supply in my head seems a bit much.
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Can anyone corroborate this? Somehow having 25% of my entire body's blood supply in my head seems a bit much.
I have always understood that the average male blood volume is 8 quarts, female 6.
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I have always understood that the average male blood volume is 8 quarts, female 6.
That's awesome. Now, about the question.
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Can anyone corroborate this? Somehow having 25% of my entire body's blood supply in my head seems a bit much.
One thing for sure.
100% of the time, we're in their heads.
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Can anyone corroborate this? Somehow having 25% of my entire body's blood supply in my head seems a bit much.
nadin it
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Can anyone corroborate this? Somehow having 25% of my entire body's blood supply in my head seems a bit much.
which one?
:bolt:
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It's both reassuring and sad that they're so predictable. You know how they're going to react--yet you wonder how they can be so wrong time after time.
And never changing even though they are 0 and 1,000,000. it is always some thing or person that made them wrong. These people would be dead even a mere 100 years ago.
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which one?
:bolt:
:naughty: :lmao:
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It's both reassuring and sad that they're so predictable. You know how they're going to react--yet you wonder how they can be so wrong time after time.
I don't. They are the epitomy of the definition of insanity.
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Can anyone corroborate this? Somehow having 25% of my entire body's blood supply in my head seems a bit much.
It wouldn't surprise me. I've heard that a human can lose 50% of their body heat through their head (the one on their shoulders, Gina and nj). The amount of blood that would have to be in the head for this to take place is a large percentage (of total blood volume), I would think.
I do know that when decapitated, there's about 8 seconds' worth of oxygenated blood left in a human head. Hence why a executioner in the Middle Ages would lift the head up--not to show it to the assembled watchers of said beheading, but to show the head the reaction of the crowd, as the last image the condemned would ever see.
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How much blood is needed by the brain?
Approximately 20% of the blood flowing from the heart is pumped to the brain. The brain needs constant blood flow in order to keep up with the heavy metabolic demands of the neurons.
Disabled World - Disability News for all the Family: http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/brain-facts.shtml#ixzz1v3yUMucr
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It wouldn't surprise me. I've heard that a human can lose 50% of their body heat through their head (the one on their shoulders, Gina and nj). The amount of blood that would have to be in the head for this to take place is a large percentage (of total blood volume), I would think.
I do know that when decapitated, there's about 8 seconds' worth of oxygenated blood left in a human head. Hence why a executioner in the Middle Ages would lift the head up--not to show it to the assembled watchers of said beheading, but to show the head the reaction of the crowd, as the last image the condemned would ever see.
O-) :-)
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It's both reassuring and sad that they're so predictable. You know how they're going to react--yet you wonder how they can be so wrong time after time.
Because they are not 100% sane. This just shows what liberals truly are, and that liberalism is a mental disorder.
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I do know that when decapitated, there's about 8 seconds' worth of oxygenated blood left in a human head. Hence why a executioner in the Middle Ages would lift the head up--not to show it to the assembled watchers of said beheading, but to show the head the reaction of the crowd, as the last image the condemned would ever see.
that is a cool useless fact! :cheersmate:
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Can anyone corroborate this? Somehow having 25% of my entire body's blood supply in my head seems a bit much.
About 20% of blood pumped from the heart goes to the brain itself, so if you count all the other tissues of the head - skin, muscle, glands, etc., 25% total doesn't seem too far off. But since the brain is encased in the skull and uses separate branches of vessels off the carotid artery, lacerations in those other tissues aren't accessing or siphoning off that brain blood, unless of course the injury is to one of those major vessels in the neck before they branch off.
I've seen a shitload of facial and scalp lacerations, and although they do bleed more than other parts of the body given their dense vasculature, unless you clip a good-sized artery they are relatively easy to stop from bleeding using direct pressure for a few minutes and maybe an icepack. Treatment after that would depend on the size and extent of the wound, which could require anything from a simple dry dressing to steri-strips, sutures, surgical glue, or surgical repair.
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customerserviceguy should know better than to try and talk sense to the rest of the hive. The 'Jump to Conclusions' game for Office Space is obviously used daily by some on DU.
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That's awesome. Now, about the question.
As I recall it did answer the question, I think you said the head had 25% of the blood at the one quart level that would be one eighth of 8 quarts which would be 12.5%, but if the number is actually20% that would be closer to 2 out of 8 quarts. I thought I was being helpful, Sorry if I wasn't.
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As I recall it did answer the question, I think you said the head had 25% of the blood at the one quart level that would be one eighth of 8 quarts which would be 12.5%, but if the number is actually20% that would be closer to 2 out of 8 quarts. I thought I was being helpful, Sorry if I wasn't.
Not to pick but: he was asking if the DUmmies contention that 25% of the blood is in the head were true; not how much blood that would equate.
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Bake (19,173 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. My first question was, hmmm, who did Zippy get to punch him?
A sympathetic neighbor?
Maybe he did it himself with his pistol.
Bake
Are you really this stupid? After all these years?
He went to Karl, of course. Actually, Karl came to him because of his prescience.
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Are you really this stupid? After all these years?
He went to Karl, of course. Actually, Karl came to him because of his prescience.
I was thinking that it may have been W. You know W had to be involved in some way as far as the DUmp is concerned.
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How much blood is needed by the brain?
Approximately 20% of the blood flowing from the heart is pumped to the brain. The brain needs constant blood flow in order to keep up with the heavy metabolic demands of the neurons.
Disabled World - Disability News for all the Family: http://www.disabled-world...facts.shtml#ixzz1v3yUMucr
I"m assuming that stat is for normal people. Since the DUmmies seem to have smaller brains and use them less does that mean the percentage for them would be lower?
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Can anyone corroborate this? Somehow having 25% of my entire body's blood supply in my head seems a bit much.
Not in your scalp it isn't. Cut your face you bleed like a stuck pig. Cut the back of your head not so much. Never had one of those gush and usually sewed them up without numbing them up first.
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Not in your scalp it isn't. Cut your face you bleed like a stuck pig. Cut the back of your head not so much. Never had one of those gush and usually sewed them up without numbing them up first.
I got hit in the head by a model airplane that was going close to 120 mph. It was a 100 degree day and I was sweating. The blood poured from my full head of longish hair. Put an ice pack on it and took off to the ER to get it sewed up. The nurse wash my head, shaved a big bald spot with a goose egg in the middle of it.....and put a little round bandaid on a pinhole.
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Figured nads would have flown in on her broom to enlighten the unwashed masses by now.
She's on the case!
nadinbrzezinski (104,794 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
91. You forgot the detective recommended arrest that night
And was overruled by the DA.
As to CSS, this ain't tv...my local pd, larger than Sanford, does not have a dedicated unit. Get's worst, it was shoddy police work, not even tape was placed around the scene and we know scene canvassing was mostly not done, and witnesses were coached.
As to the doctor...12+ hours...yup, somebody could break a nose that wasn't.
nadinbrzezinski (104,794 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
85. 12+ hours after the incident
It could be legit...I mean 12 + hours is long enough for somebody to break a nose.
As to the black eyes...yup, normal with a broken nose.
The court should order an x-ray. They will be able to tell if that was a recent break, or even if there is one.
And if the X-ray is clean...that's a problem.
Hmmm I hope EMT crew obtained an AMA.
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nadinbrzezinski (104,794 posts)
91. You forgot the detective recommended arrest that night and was overruled by the DA.
The same DA that is pressing charges of 2nd-degree murder?
Doesn't look good for the prosecution.
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No amount of evidence that contradicts the libs first jump to a conclusion, will change their conclusion.
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Does the nutcase have orthopedist on her resume?
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Yes, because people who are arrested, detained, questioned and released without charge have themselves beaten-up just to guard against the possibility some moonbat will hound their story into the national spotlight a month after the event.
Happens all the time.
:cheersmate:
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CIA = BFEE
You forgot that last piece.
No, it's GW's fault.......final piece
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We're witnessing the beginnings of the next major conspiracy theory on DU...in 2001 some of them were so invested in GWB doing it that they clung to any piece of bullshit "evidence" and denied every bit of logic with "that's what they WANT you to believe." So it is with Trayvon...a few of them are beginning to see that the truth isn't fitting their narrative, so they're backing off, while others are clearly digging in. Of COURSE Zimmerman's injuries were faked. Of COURSE Trayvon's injuries were also faked.
This is going to be hilarious, when Zimmerman walks and DUmmy race hustlers get shuffled off to their own dungeon. This will be SO worth watching.
Hee hee.
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This is going to be hilarious, when Zimmerman walks and DUmmy race hustlers get shuffled off to their own dungeon. This will be SO worth watching.
Hee hee.
If Zimmerman walks, I expect to see huge bonfires in liberal havens. However, I fully expect Holder to find some way of getting trumped up hate crime charges brought against him.
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However, I fully expect Holder to find some way of getting trumped up hate crime charges brought against him.
It would not surprise me at all to see Mr. Holder's future address be "United States Penitentary, Administrative Maximum Facility, Florence, CO" in the near future.
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If Zimmerman walks, I expect to see huge bonfires in liberal havens. However, I fully expect Holder to find some way of getting trumped up hate crime charges brought against him.
The FBI is already considering prosecuting for a hate crime. They are still silent on the new black panties though.