USArmyParatrooper
Stop blaming Rush Limbaugh for the murders in Afghanistan.
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I've already seen one thread suggesting AFN has Rush on to give the troops "justification" for their missions, and now I've seen another suggesting the shooter must have gotten his cue from him.
Enough.
There is no doubt that Rush Limbaugh is a shameless, racist, inflammatory antagonizer. He is the radio equivalent of an internet troll, only on an epic scale.
With that being said, he has little or no affect on the the troops. We are not mindless drones. We're an extremely diverse organization on every scale, with one exception. In comparison to the general population we have a disproportionate number of males, although females aren't even remotely an anomaly. We have a very strong mix of different ethnicities, different religious beliefs, different age groups, different sexual orientations and different political ideologies. Just like the general population we have our share of... intellectually challenged people, but for the most part the guys I've worked with over the years have been of average to above average intelligence. In fact, about 30% of applicants can't score a high enough AFQT on their ASVAB to even join the military.
We are not some homogenous group. We are NOT "ditto heads."
The only people who listen to Rush are people who are right wingers to begin with. Even many Republican troopers will admit he's over the top.
I don't know what caused that soldier to do what he did. I don't know if he had a mental breakdown, if it was purely out of malice or both. There's no question it is a tragedy. It is first and foremost a tragedy for the victims and their families. It is also a tragedy that it will likely cost the lives of American troops who had nothing to do with the shooting and who conduct themselves with honor. It will make a near impossible job even more difficult.
But this I can tell you without question. That soldier did what he did for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh. Any suggestion otherwise is giving Rush way too much credit.
If it turns out the shooter shouted "allahu akbar" at any time during his slaughter rampage, he will instantly be hailed a DUmp hero.
As I recall 4 soldiers were assassinated gangland style by afghani counterparts they trusted. This was allegedly in response to the koran "desecrations" by burning. This was after the korans were defaced by muslims, and the proper disposition then became burning. So you follow all the rules, none of which are in your belief system, only to get a bullet in the back of the head by a so called trusted colleague. I can see after reaching a certain level of intolerable BS some might reach their breaking point.
Even Nads sounded smarter than Beth over there.
There is no doubt that Rush Limbaugh is a shameless, racist, inflammatory antagonizer. He is the radio equivalent of an internet troll, only on an epic scale.
Gman (20,139 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Hey, why not
surely he had to have influenced somebody. And we don't know that he didn't have anything to do with it.
GodlessBiker (5,910 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. I understand your point, but what evidence do you have that the reasons had nothing to do with Rush?
Junkdrawer (23,873 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. Yeah, and if this keeps up, Rush might be pulled from AFN....
and then what?
EFerrari (160,697 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. No, you can't tell anyone that
unless you have some special psychic knowledge of his process.
And, we don't take orders here.
xchrom (72,830 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
23. So are we saying words are powerless and have no meaning? Nt
onenote (19,885 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
26. No. I think what is being said is that there is no more evidence that
Rush's influenced what happened then Ed Schultz's words or the some voices in the guy's head.
xchrom (72,830 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. Then I'm going to say that's a false equivalence.
And I will want quotes that are as radical as rush's words.
wendylaroux (92 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. rush has adverse affects on civilians
making them all crazy talking and such. So could he have the same affect on military people in the middle of a war? I don't know,couldn't help.
gulliver (7,939 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
36. Nope, but let me take this opportunity to start.
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The Freeper posts on this issue provide some evidence.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2857825/posts
Have a read. Do American hard right-wingers have the right to hate and dehumanize Muslims? Sure they do. Do they have the right not to be blamed when that attitude leads to violence. Nope. Those are two very different things. The freedom of speech is not freedom from blame. Quite the contrary.
Rush didn't pull the trigger, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a share of the blame. He most likely does.
On edit: Changed "certainly" to "most likely." I leave open the possibility that we will find out that the trigger man wasn't a right winger. "Certainly" is too strong a word.
certainot (2,159 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
37. all iraq and afghanistan vets, casualties, wounded can thank team limbaugh.
i'd blame him and the RW radio monopoly for pushing us into afghanistan and lying us into iraq. it did the groundwork for it. intimidated politicians and media with screams of 'traitor!', from 1000 coordinated radio stations. he is/was point man. it shouted over the protests and enabled the chickenhawk war machine politicians.
tiny elvis (652 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
38. i think he deserves some credit
for his great contribution to demonizing the whole people
if his dissertations begin with the premise that islam is bad,
then he does not need to say islam is bad
nationwide demonizing of a people has only one purpose,
to justify slaughter
uponit7771 (12,221 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
42. Demonizing "others" DOES contribute to an attitude of supperiority
Bandit (18,832 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
43. Without Rush we probably would not even be in Afghanistan
Republicans valued Rush's voice so much they made him an honorary member of Congress. I doubt very seriously that Republicans and Bush* would even have been elected without the voice of Rush and his ilk.. Rush is a great influence upon Republicans and has the ability to get the base stirred up.. Yes in my opinion Rush has a great deal to do with every single atrocity that has been committed by Americans in our Wars of choice. He sets the standard for Republican behavior and keeps it at a level that is obscene. They actually think torture is the right kind of activity Americans should engage in along with any and all ways to demean people.. Yes Rush has blood on his hands as well as almost every Republican that voted for Bush*.
"R" The most powerful letter in the alphabet, Republican, Rush, Rove........
Muslims are evil. You can't reason with, bargain with, control, tame, convert, modify, trust or exist with evil. You HAVE to destroy it.
On that White House site about signing petitions there is one to remove Rush from AFR and it has over 25k siggies. Enough for them to look into forcing him out, I guess?
How many Disney characters are on that petition?
certainot (2,159 posts)
37. all iraq and afghanistan vets, casualties, wounded can thank team limbaugh.
i'd blame him and the RW radio monopoly for pushing us into afghanistan
Bandit (18,832 posts)
43. Without Rush we probably would not even be in Afghanistan
I think this is going to be a very typical campaign from the Democratic Party. Scare the old people, scare the immigrants, scare the women, scare college students, tell them the big bad GOP is going to take away their special programs and leave them destitute and living on the street, in jail, or deported.
Same shit, different year and the same bunch of people fall for it every damn time.
Has either Hugh G. Rection or Pat McGroyne signed?Richard Gozinya
Richard Gozinya
Ricardo Cabesa
Emerson Bigguns
Heywood Jyablowne
Tug McGroyne
Holden McGroyne
Michael Hunt
Eyepee Dailey
Iyam Hottotrot
Watch out for these guys too, and some others too obvious to mention.
Richard Gozinya
Ricardo Cabesa
Emerson Bigguns
Heywood Jyablowne
Tug McGroyne
Holden McGroyne
Michael Hunt
Eyepee Dailey
Iyam Hottotrot
Watch out for these guys too, and some others too obvious to mention.