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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 10, 2012, 04:08:53 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1119113
Oh my.
How the woes pile up in this 0bamaconomy.
Sabayon65 (18 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Is an employer allowed to ask if you're a U.S. citizen?
I know they can't ask questions about an applicant’s race or ethnic origin (like what country are you from). I know they can't ask if you're married or single, or about orientation. You also aren't supposed to ask about religion.
At a recent interview the interviewer asked if I was an American citizen not once but three times. The job posting didn't say anything about being required to be a US citizen. If I don't get the job do I have a recourse to file a discrimination complaint?
earthside (3,662 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. I hope so.
The other relevant question, if a person is not a citizen, would be if that person is here legally.
dmallind (8,903 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Usually not quite is the answer
They not only can but must ask you to prove you are legally eligible to work here, but not at the interview stage.
Some jobs are citizen-only such as most police departments and those requiring access to sensitive information like government contractors. If the company sold things to the DoD. even if you did not require a security clearance, some relatively innocuous communication is citizen-only.
Here's a good link.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=439a7f5c13f2e210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=439a7f5c13f2e210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD
BTW how did you respond?
In any event I suspect a lawsuit is a nonstarter without more overt bias. I've been asked that question myself in interviews and it's possible they asked everyone.
Sabayon65 (18 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. I told them I was a citizen.
I told them I was a citizen. I was born here and have never set for on the soil of any foreign country besides Canada. And that was on a school field trip, back in the day when you could basically walk across on foot.
I can understand them needing to make sure all people are here legally, and asking once would have been fine. Two times, might not have been that suspicious, but three times in the space of a 30 minute interview was kind of pushing it in my opinion.
dmallind (8,903 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. It's certainly weird yes. Would it be too personal to ask why they might have?
Do you look or sound unusual for where you live? If so and they obly DID ask you thet might make a claim more feasible, but still think it's a stretch. IANAL btw, but a many-times interviewer and -ee with relevant rules sedulously drilled into me by more scrupulous employers than your example may be.
Sabayon65 (18 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. I have a hyphenated/foreign sounding last name.
Then again, there are a lot of Latino people in my neighborhood as well. The company However, I am not Latino, and neither of my names is of Spanish origin (one is Central/East European, the other is East Asian).
dmallind (8,903 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Hmm. If you could somehow find out if they asked others the same q
It would be very interesting and certainly make at least some avenues possible if they did not.
EgaLitE (9 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. It's not discrimination just because you didn't get the job
It sounds like you belong to two of the most privileged groups in the country, maybe more if you're a heterosexual male. Maybe you're just upset that you didn't get the job, but there's no reason for this to be called discrimination. Also, it wouldn't be right to assume that Latinos aren't citizens, or to not believe them if they said that they were.
Sabayon65 (18 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. I never said it was
So it's not right to assume that Latinos aren't citizens, but it's fine to ask anyone else not just once, but multiple times (implying disbelief), if he's a citizen?
Look, maybe I just rubbed the guy the wrong way, or he didn't like the looks of me, and he was trying to egg me on. This kind of thing can happen and it might not have necessarily been racism. But it's not out of the stretch to think that some people might still dislike "ethnic" white people like Poles or Italians, or that they might equally dislike people of East Asian descent.
Bradical79 (64 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. Thought that was on all applications
I was thinking all job applications have a section on your legal status in the U.S. Seems odd to ask that during a face to face interview. But there's nothing discriminatory about it (at least in a way that could lead to legal issues). They have to know at some point before they hire you. If you answered the question consistent with info you'd already given them, and they kept harrasing you over it, then I could see that possibly being a discrimination issue.
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Hey chicka...learner to speekka duh englick badder.
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You have to prove eligibility to work in the US, jackass.
There's even a form for it and everything. (I-9)
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You have to prove eligibility to work in the US, jackass.
There's even a form for it and everything. (I-9)
They better ask! And 3 times is just coverin' their ass! Despite O'Bummer's desperate try at obstruction, they're crackin' down on companies that hire illegal aliens.
Perfectly acceptable questions in this day and age. Get used to it "Saba".
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DUmmy wonders whether it is legal to ask. Aristotelian wonders whether it should be legal not to ask.
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Sabayon65 (18 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Is an employer allowed to ask if you're a U.S. citizen?
Woe! Woe! :bawl: Wait until you're asked to apply for a security clearance. 60 pages of forms and I still didn't get it. Oh well. The job I did get pays better with nicer working conditions and a lot more money. BTW, if you live in one of those states that requires employers to run your Social Security number as part of an illegal immigration screening and something comes up, it's YOUR responsibility to carry your ass down to the SS office and get the problem resolved, not theirs.
Good luck, crybaby.
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Wait, the DUmbass is offended about a question about citizenship, says he's a citizen, then wonders if he can file discrimination if he doesn't get the job. Just damn. Do you DUmbasses constantly look for shit to be offended by? Nevermind, rhetorical. No wonder conservatives are always happier in studies. We're not whinyass f'n morons.
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Please tell me the DUmmie noob was kidding about the legality of asking one's citizenship.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1119113
Oh my.
How the woes pile up in this 0bamaconomy.
Maybe Sybiannumbers should not have worn a keffiyeh and Che' t-shirt to the interview.
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Wait, the DUmbass is offended about a question about citizenship, says he's a citizen, then wonders if he can file discrimination if he doesn't get the job. Just damn. Do you DUmbasses constantly look for shit to be offended by? Nevermind, rhetorical. No wonder conservatives are always happier in studies. We're not whinyass f'n morons.
That's what I was thinking. Someone asks me in an interview if I am a citizen, I say yes and show them the passport to prove it. No problem.
Of course I ain't looking for the lawsuit gravy train either. Methinks the dummie was just trying to find a reason to sue cause they didn't get the job.
When I finally get off my lazy ass and take over the world people like that will be an endangered species. :-)
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Woe! Woe! :bawl: Wait until you're asked to apply for a security clearance. 60 pages of forms and I still didn't get it. Oh well. The job I did get pays better with nicer working conditions and a lot more money. BTW, if you live in one of those states that requires employers to run your Social Security number as part of an illegal immigration screening and something comes up, it's YOUR responsibility to carry your ass down to the SS office and get the problem resolved, not theirs.
Good luck, crybaby.
Geezus? What the hell were ya applyin' for, Chris? I've had a top level clearance for years as our company did all the remodels for Washington Trust Bank. FBI went thru my rectum in order to give me clearance for workin' after hours, which BTW is the only time ya can get things done, Even had the fire department show up once, but that's another story.
Oh, and , ya really don't wanna see those fat asses down at SS get up and do anything, do ya? I swear, there's not one under 300 pounds that works in my local office! You file for anything at SS, might as well figure on at least 6 months before ya even get a response!
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I was given all the forms as .pdf files. By the time I got done filling them out and printed, they were double what I originally started with. As for the Social Security issues, I was born in a different town from the one my parents lived in and was never quite sure which one it was. Damn Yankees.
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I've held either a secret or TS-SCI/SSBI for 17 years. There is nothing they don't know about me.
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I think the point is, DUmmies not only seek out shit to be offended by, they relish it because it gives them something to come back and talk about on lunatic island.
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That's what I was thinking. Someone asks me in an interview if I am a citizen, I say yes and show them the passport to prove it. No problem.
Of course I ain't looking for the lawsuit gravy train either. Methinks the dummie was just trying to find a reason to sue cause they didn't get the job.
When I finally get off my lazy ass and take over the world people like that will be an endangered species. :-)
Now, now, ya been here long enough to realize all these primitives look for lawsuits in order to remove themselves from the job pool.
Maybe that's the reason O'Bummer can drop the unemployment rate when actually it goes up. His followers and the lawyers are in cahoots!
Makes sense, don't it/ According to the stats the amount of jobs available has decreased and people just give up, so they don't get counted as unemployed. To the tune of at least 2 mil!
Good trick, if ya have the media in yer pocket, 'ey?
Disgusting, ain't it? I swear to God, we're lookin' more and more like Nazi Germany and the the Soviet Socialist Republic, than we do free America! The only difference is, our media isn't bein' forced or censored, they're doin' it to help get us there!! Not even the left can deny the MSM is not biased! They've earned the handle, "the Drive By Media"!!!
I've held either a secret or TS-SCI/SSBI for 17 years. There is nothing they don't know about me.
Hell, I have no idea what mine is, I've had it so long, all they do is run me and say, "yeah, you're clear". I sure as hell never had to fill out 60 pages! 'Course that was before 9/11, I hear it's a "little" different now.
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That's the initial. Getting your clearance renewed isn't that much of a process.
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I remember they asked for 7 years of residence, employment, criminal, credit history, personal and occupational references, and an I-9 form. It also included the actual employment application... there may have been some other things, but I don't recall. All that to answer the IT helpdesk for the National Guard. And it's a lot less than what I'm making now to work for a private company.
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I remember they asked for 7 years of residence, employment, criminal, credit history, personal and occupational references, and an I-9 form. It also included the actual employment application... there may have been some other things, but I don't recall. All that to answer the IT helpdesk for the National Guard. And it's a lot less than what I'm making now to work for a private company.
Wholly shit! I've worked at Fairchild AFB, where they hide the B-52's, the fueling tankers for F-15's, and a few "Puff the Magic Dragons, when they need serviced, but never had to go thru that BS!
Speakin' of which, ya never know how big them puppies are until ya stand next to one! WOW!!! Felt like I was an ant!!!
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Don't know exactly how you hide a B-52, but there are a lot of'em at Barksdale in Skeezyport.
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That was two years ago. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't get it. I like what I'm doing now and considering the new equipment lease scheduled for next year, I should be busy for a while.
Not a big fan of Lenovo/IBM. Maybe we'll get lucky and get some nice Dell Inspirons or Toshibas.
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BTW, I don't mean to pick on you guys, Shadeaux, but I've been there for an Independence Bowl. That place, like the place I grew up in and am in right now, Jackson, is a shithole. SO ready to get back to Augusta.
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Don't know exactly how you hide a B-52, but there are a lot of'em at Barksdale in Skeezyport.
Well, ya can't exactly hide the '52's themselves, I think what they was tryin' to do was hide the numbers.
Back in '96, or '97, might even have been earlier than that, gettin' old and my memory ain't what it used to be, anyway, they had this Hot Dog showin' off durin' touch down and take offs, tried to make a banked turn and hooked the wing in a power line!
I was their the next day, I think ya coulda put what was left of that '52 in the back of yer pick up truck! Later, we had to hammer all the concrete out where it burned and replace it. And trust me it ain't just 6" thick! I think the thinnest piece was 12".
Oh joy!! Don't know if you've ever been behind a ninety pounder, but I can tell ya, by the end of the day, yer pud's in the mud!!
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Geezus? What the hell were ya applyin' for, Chris?
It's been 15 years now, but chris_'s suggestion of 60 pages sounds about right to me.
I recall about that many pages when I was the records supervisor for a private contractor to Immigration & Naturalization. I don't know what "class" the clearance was, but out of 500 employees there, only two federal employees and I had that level. It was necessary for me, so that I could get into records of other federal agencies (FBI, IRS, whatnot).
It was a lot of pages, that application, and I had to go back a lot more than just seven years. Sixty sounds about right, and I had to append several pages of my own.
The Office of Personnel Management sent a little pit-bull of a guy from Kansas City to interview me; it was an interview under oath, and lasted from 4 p.m. until 2 a.m. (I worked second shift). He personally interviewed most who had known me since I had first been in Lincoln more than 20 years before, which was a lot of people.
He was working out of an unoccupied office at Immigration & Naturalization, and had stacks of personnel files on the desk and table. Most of them were 2-3" thick. I got nervous when I saw mine was the biggest, easily more than 6" thick.
It wasn't that I had done anything wrong; it was only because I had done so many different things.
He even had copies of records of my visits to the U.S. embassy in Kiev (which wanted nothing more than for me to use my return airplane ticket.....from my sixth day in the socialist paradises). I was not aware the embassy kept such records, and was illuminated greatly about what had happened (i.e., things that had been a mystery to me were revealed; it's always been my fate to learn what's going on long after it's happened).
Due to the nature of his job, the pit-bull had to be antagonistic and confrontational--he was probably otherwise a nice guy, one of the nicest guys one could ever hope to meet--but obviously I did okay, because I got that level of clearance, with no conditions, that only two other people there had.
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Ah, that explains it! I never had to access any documents, mine was more about gettin' in and out of government buildings, and banks.
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ZERO Bongs. DUchebag in an interview for a job?
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Speaking of the I-9 form, in order to prove you're legally able to work in the US, you need some form of ID. If requiring voters to show ID is "discrimination", how is this requirement NOT?
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Speaking of the I-9 form, in order to prove you're legally able to work in the US, you need some form of ID. If requiring voters to show ID is "discrimination", how is this requirement NOT?
Better yet, how is requiring ID to vote, discrimination? I think it has been proven that people cheat. I don't know about you, but I don't want Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Adolph Hitler, Zombies out of the graveyard, and various other non discript people to elect my Reps!
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I guess the DUmbasses aren't familiar with E-Verify which is, if I'm not mistaken, a federal program.
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Remember the CB craze in the 60-70's. ? Had to get a federal licence to use them back then. Much like the Ham operators and given call numbers--Mine was KGU7792. Funny the things one remembers, my Dads was KKA 2088
The form to get a license was very lengthy as I remember, some of the questions I had to hit the Library to find out who the John Birch Society was, nope not a member. Talk about crap a year or so later the licence requirement was dropped.
1980, needed to have all kinds of identification to work for a government contractor. Drivers license, birth certificate, my Navy dependent card, ----Pissed me off as the owner of the company was a woman born in Scottland and I had to go to get paperwork so she after owning the company for 10 years could apply for citizenship.
Some dude in the mid 1980's showed up at my door asking questions about a neighbor I did not know, what does he read, have I talked to him, nope don't know he family.
Made me wonder what questions were asked about us when Hubby went Mustang in the Nuke service. Those were the days when Rickover met personally with every Nuke officer, the interview lasted for Hubby 3 1/2 minutes-----he was in need of clean shorts shortly after.
For the Nukes he had to wait for 10 minutes in the office before the interview and he was tempted to check the closet to see if there was a Captain inside being punished.
TODAY, employers go on line, face book and search out the information on a possible hire, find out more then the applicant themselves knows about them selves and family. Do criminal checks not only on them but close family and friends.
This applicant is lucky he was asked all the questions about being a legal, least they did not get into his medical records, or those of his wife.
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Damn, your posts aren't really Tapatalk-friendly, Vesta. Lol
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Yeah, I remember the CB craze. It was a pain in the ass for the truckers because of all the fools that were floodin' the airwaves! Not insinuating nothing here, you might have been one of the courteous ones, but not surprised to see you were involved.
It did help on the interstate though, 'cause you always knew where the Smokies were!
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Yeah, I remember the CB craze. It was a pain in the ass for the truckers because of all the fools that were floodin' the airwaves! Not insinuating nothing here, you might have been one of the courteous ones, but not surprised to see you were involved.
It did help on the interstate though, 'cause you always knew where the Smokies were!
My dad had one in his truck but I don't remember it ever being used.
http://jalopnik.com/5166099/the-ultimate-cb-radio-for-your-custom-van-johnson-messenger-130a
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My dad had one in his truck but I don't remember it ever being used.
http://jalopnik.com/5166099/the-ultimate-cb-radio-for-your-custom-van-johnson-messenger-130a
It got to be really bad when we were out on the road headed for instance to Chicago or New York. We even tried to get them to just give us channel 17, and they could have the rest. That went over like a lead balloon! It just egged 'em on I think.
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We used the CB kinda like a cell phone when I was growing up. We had a "Base" and a Mobile"....can't remember our call number though. My daddy was a volunteer fireman (he's the city's Fire Chief now) so the CB in his truck was necessary. The CB we had at home always scared me when it stormed; I just knew lighting was going to hit that giant antenna one day. I'm not sure why it never did.
I still remember one of the funniest things I ever heard growing up on a CB (I believe I was 9 or 10)...
If I were a bulldog
and a smokie was a tree
every time I passed one by
I'd lift my leg and pee.
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We used the CB kinda like a cell phone when I was growing up. We had a "Base" and a Mobile"....can't remember our call number though. My daddy was a volunteer fireman (he's the city's Fire Chief now) so the CB in his truck was necessary. The CB we had at home always scared me when it stormed; I just knew lighting was going to hit that giant antenna one day. I'm not sure why it never did.
I still remember one of the funniest things I ever heard growing up on a CB (I believe I was 9 or 10)...
If I were a bulldog
and a smokie was a tree
every time I passed one by
I'd lift my leg and pee.
In the late 1950's there were these things called IIRC ---CQ cards-----one had them made up like post cards with all kinds of funny pictures and the call letters with the nick name one chose. Dad collected them especially when he found a SKIP from 500 miles away.
When the atmosphere was right people would rush in their cars and trucks to the highest hill or mountain and hope to get a far away skip, CB clubs sprang up and there was competition to see who got the longest skip, the CQ cards sent and received were the proof.
Sometime in the late 1960's people began to make their own divice, illegal, to up the sending range. Some of these things were so strong their communications would come in on neighbors TVs and radios. I remember in the 1970's when people had to buy a doodad to put in their TVs to filter out the signals.
People were erecting these antenna's 60 + feet in the air, and some not grounded properly would get hit by lightening and blow up the base station.
Invaluable for me and the kids driving cross country RT. 10 and the truckers would keep an eye on us, tell us where to stop or not stop for the night or to get off the highway for gas. Me in my 20's with 4 kids 2 in diapers and a Saint Bernard in a Chevy Blazer, back seats removed took me 2 weeks to go from Napa California down the coast and across on RT10 and then up through the south to the east coast and from there to finally get to Maine. Hell of a trip for us, we did make it home safely due I believe to the long haul drivers that kept track of us and we followed through the big city's where one can get turned about so easily.
And Yes I was armed with a hand gun, no permit, not registered anywhere, but under the seat where I could get it, the kids couldn't and I was prepared to use it if need be. My huge dog was enough deterrent to keep us safe, a few times just his big head slobbering out the back window was all we needed.
AHHHH the CB, what fun, watching the cops roll down the street looking for the hoodlums that had an illegal Booster, some kind of device on top of their cars to triangulate where the signal was coming from.
BTW, I to this day have a CB in my car, never used it, but one never knows in an emergency it just may come in handy.