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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Georgia Bulldog on March 04, 2012, 05:54:37 PM
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Taverner
Enough about the bad, what was GOOD abot the Soviet Union?
Healhcare for all. Worker vacations. No one starves (unless under Stalin.)
slackmaster
1. They made a great enemy
mick063
2. There was nothing good.
A brutal, totalitarion, repressive regime.
Shankapotomus
3. One thing that doesn't make sense
is if communism is so ineffective as the Right says, why was the Soviet Union a super power and rival to the U.S. at all?
malaise
4. True but even better than that was
the balance of power on the planet.
Yeah, because life was so spectacular for everyone who's lived under a communist regime. Who wouldn't want that kind of life?
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I love the skankapotomus quote. The guy never heard about the legion of soviet agents who made a pipeline of technology and American innovation directly to the Politburo.
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Healhcare for all.
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I love the skankapotomus quote. The guy never heard about the legion of soviet agents who made a pipeline of technology and American innovation directly to the Politburo.
Someone slept through the "guns or butter" lecture in Econ 101.
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Yeah, because life was so spectacular for everyone who's lived under a communist regime. Who wouldn't want that kind of life?
Well, it was a great place to be a security officer, say in the NKVD or the MVD. Other than that it pretty much blew.
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Russia just elected a man president instead of a limp wristed metrosexual like we have in office. They do have that going for them.
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Someone slept through the "guns or butter" lecture in Econ 101.
I don't think the DUmbass slept through it, more than likely was stoned or ****ed-up on something else.
However Taverner isn't a complete failure, he can always serve as an example of what not to do.
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Good to see that the intravenous drug addict Taverner has been readin franksolich.
He's the guy who complained that the press only reports the bad things about heroin.
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The good about the Soviet Union? It's in the dust bin of history, and there is one man to thank for that.
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I sooooooooooooo need a DUmmie Free Day! :thatsright:
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The good about the Soviet Union? It's in the dust bin of history, and there is one man to thank for that.
That is exactly right, and it isn't Gorbachev.
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having actually been to the good old USSR in 1985 and 1988, I can tell you that tere was nothing good for the common man there. If you were in the government, life was much better. Government workers were on par with a very low income family in the West. The member in good standing with the party were doing quite well and had access to hard currency and what that bought from the West. In general, the people of the USSR were lucky to have a subsistence diet. Only the government workers were fat. There were huge stores with nothing but empty shelves and long lines in the morning in the cities I was at.
We installed a machines in factories and two things come to mind beside the huge stores with nothing in them. One was that it was sweltering in this one factory. The Russian workers handed me a roughly gallon size jug of clear substance that I assumed was water. I took a big swig and it turned out to be really bad vodka. The other was that the night before we were to leave all our tools left the site. The rep said that was just par for the course in the USSR. It was a glorious country under what little Barry wants to do to the USA.
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Response to Taverner (Original post)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 08:56 PM
obliviously (1,388 posts)
47. Are you going to do
What were the good things about the Holocaust next?
Oh, no! Now Taverner has a bully!
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Communism, equal misery for everyone, except of course for a select few. DUmmies love communism because they laughingly think they will be one of the select few.
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The good about the Soviet Union? It's in the dust bin of history, and there is one man to thank for that.
You mean it's Bush's fault ?
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You mean it's Bush's fault ?
No, no! Say it right!
"It's All Bush's Faulttm"
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It's only Monday and the drug addict proves once again why siblings shouldn't have sex.
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There was an old saying..."Communism is great..if you're one of the ones that have a dacha by the lake".
The DUmmies think THEY would be the ones with the dachas...they don't realize that they would be the ones buried in lime deep in the forest.
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DUmp Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002383453)
Commmies. I hate em.
Taverner (48,144 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. BS. I've spoken to many who, despite being Anti-Communist, admitted the system treated them well
And this is after the Berlin Wall fell...
Response to Zalatix (Reply #104)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 12:34 AM
baldguy (27,106 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
109. Tell that to the Native Americans & the slaves.
And how many once-thriving lakes & rivers in the US are now devoid of fish? The Great Lakes fishing fleets are long gone, never to return. I also remember when the pollution in the Cuyahoga River catching fire was nearly an annual event.
The USSR was never as evil, and America was never as great as the dreamy-eyed American propaganda painted them.
:bird:
Devoid of fish? :panic: Competely devoid of fish. What are all those guys doing out on Lake Ontario that I see? They're just getting away from their old ladies?
white_wolf (3,940 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
119. The U.S. likely killed more Native Americans than either of those regimes killed Jews.
So, by your logic, the U.S. is worse.
Tom Ripley (526 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. They forced America's hand at civil rights reforms and support for the arts and sciences
:???: :lmao: What?
Response to Taverner (Original post)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:14 PM
white_wolf (3,940 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. You want some indirect benefits of the USSR?
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How about the modern welfare state and Social-Democracies? Do people think those massive reforms were granted out of the goodness of the capitalists's non-existent hearts? No,they were granted out of fear. The USSR showed that a (very flawed) alternative to private capitalism could exist and that scared the capitalists here and in Europe into giving major reforms. Reforms that they are now trying to give back. Oh,and if it wasn't for the USSR WWII could have gone very differently.
As to the point about famines, you can't blame that on Soviet policy simply because Russia has problems with famines under the Tsars.
:bird: :bird: I hope one day you're hungry enough to become insane, and murder your children in order to eat them. Ukraine. Hope it happens to you.
Response to Taverner (Original post)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:39 PM
geek tragedy (18,927 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. Greater equality of the sexes.
No sexual exploitation of women for commerce, as opposed to the industrial scale degradation going on there now.
You're not really going to suggest that prostitution wasn't rampant. When people are hungry, they will do almost anything. Including selling anything they have.
Lydia Leftcoast bears that out:
(oh yes, the poverty led to an explosion of drug trafficking and prostitution, which combined to give the former Soviet Union a horrible rate of AIDS infection)
Here's a little exchange:
white_wolf (3,940 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
55. The Holocaust was deliberate murder.
A lot of the deaths cited for the USSR are inflated by adding numbers caused by famine or WWII. For the record I don't support the USSR under any of its various leaders, but there is so much misinformation about it.
Response to white_wolf (Reply #55)
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Response to obliviously (Reply #57)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 09:16 PM
Taverner (48,144 posts)
59. Jesus **** - what kind of retort is that???
Hyperbole Bomb....
Then,
joshcryer (32,438 posts)
48. They put a robot on the moon. Other than that, the political system was murderous.
And it deserved all the criticism that was leveled at it.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #48)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 01:37 AM
Fool Count (1,131 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
127. No it wasn't. And no, it didn't.
:lalala: ****ing assshole.
provis99 (12,355 posts)
97. they also completely avoided the Great Depression.
RZM (4,826 posts)
144. And do you know what was going on there during the time of the Great Depression?
I'd take the depression over the Holodomor any day. And you would too.
And I include this quote, just because it's so utterly vacuous:
Response to Taverner (Original post)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:16 AM
steve2470 (11,984 posts)
152. More of a solidarity feeling with others
I read this somewhere. I don't know how true it is.
Oh My Good Lord, I hate commies.
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RZM has a clue, the rest of them seem to be dodging the cluebat pretty successfully. I do wish the true believers could be put into the roles of cogs in the Great Socialist Machine, in Belarus or Ukraine in the 30s. A few of them might survive to learn from it, most would starve, die at Kolyma, or meet their fates in penal labor camps constructing Stalin's follies in European Russia or the howling wilderness east of the Urals.
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RZM has a clue, the rest of them seem to be dodging the cluebat pretty successfully. I do wish the true believers could be put into the roles of cogs in the Great Socialist Machine, in Belarus or Ukraine in the 30s. A few of them might survive to learn from it, most would starve, die at Kolyma, or meet their fates in penal labor camps constructing Stalin's follies in European Russia or the howling wilderness east of the Urals.
:lmao: ...and they would all be asking the question, "Does Stalin know about this?"
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Indeed they would, just as millions of zeks died believing in 'The Little Father.'
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Response to Taverner (Original post)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:14 PM
white_wolf (3,940 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. You want some indirect benefits of the USSR?
Last edited Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:15 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
How about the modern welfare state and Social-Democracies? Do people think those massive reforms were granted out of the goodness of the capitalists's non-existent hearts? No,they were granted out of fear. The USSR showed that a (very flawed) alternative to private capitalism could exist and that scared the capitalists here and in Europe into giving major reforms.
Someone might want to read up on what Bismarck did in Germany before they start congratulating the Soviets for that. :whatever:
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RZM has a clue, the rest of them seem to be dodging the cluebat pretty successfully. I do wish the true believers could be put into the roles of cogs in the Great Socialist Machine, in Belarus or Ukraine in the 30s. A few of them might survive to learn from it, most would starve, die at Kolyma, or meet their fates in penal labor camps constructing Stalin's follies in European Russia or the howling wilderness east of the Urals.
Agreed. But even if we that happened, the True Believers would still be saying it would be different if "the right people were in charge."
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I remember the Cuyahoga River catching fire back in the 70s, and it's still used as an example of pollution that has been eliminated by government regulations.
But it was caused by gasoline spilled into a storm sewer. Storm sewers do not route water through any treatment, so a similar fire could just as easily happen today.
And the best freshwater fishing I've had in my life was in Lake Erie during the years when Time magazine declared it a "dead lake".
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And the best freshwater fishing I've had in my life was in Lake Erie during the years when Time magazine declared it a "dead lake".
How many fingers do you now have? :popcorn:
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The Soviets gave us....
(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/oswald/program/images/enlarged/about_fd.jpg)
:fuelfire:
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The Soviets gave us....
(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/oswald/program/images/enlarged/about_fd.jpg)
:fuelfire:
Oooh! That burns! H5, Snugs! :fuelfire: :cheersmate:
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The U.S.S.R. used to have a body of water large enough to be called a sea. An inland sea. The Aral sea, since dried up through mismanagement. Isn't central planning wonderful ?
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The good about the Soviet Union? It's in the dust bin of history, and there is one man to thank for that.
I disagree, Two men and a very strong woman.
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Shankapotomus
3. One thing that doesn't make sense
is if communism is so ineffective as the Right says, why was the Soviet Union a super power and rival to the U.S. at all?
There's only one reason, DUmbShit, the state controlled everything. all the working class people were dirt poor because the state confiscated all the wealth. That way they could pay spies in the US to steal our technology. They never could keep up with us anyway, ignoramus! We finally broke 'em because they could no longer afford it!
Besides, if it was so great as you say, why the hell did it collapse into capitalism??? Tell me somethin'' TavernTurd, Compare today and the previous communistic regime, is the workin' class' lifestyle better or worse?
You really are an ignorant DUmbass, aren't ya!
There was an old saying..."Communism is great..if you're one of the ones that have a dacha by the lake".
The DUmmies think THEY would be the ones with the dachas...they don't realize that they would be the ones buried in lime deep in the forest.
Better chance they would be sent to our Siberia up in Alaska, close to the Arctic Circle!
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Do they have any more of those for export?
Yeah.
He's in the White House, now; even as we speak.
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They had a damned fine national anthem...that's it.
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Vodka. And I don't really drink it all that much.
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They do have some good hockey players, who turn into capitalists as soon as they hit the NHL.
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Oh this is ****ing rich!
One minute their happily fapping over fond memories of the USSR and the tyranny it imposed by force of arms over Eastern Europe and in the next thread they're rewriting history to make Soviet client states into RW icons:
MrScorpio (49,208 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
The GOP's War On Women was fought once before… Ceausescu
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Romanian orphans
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_orphans
The standard of living for Romanian orphans is still grave despite vast improvements since their conditions were leaked to the West after the fall of the Communist government in 1989. A news report on the American newsmagazine 20/20, which first aired on October 5, 1990, was the first to show the conditions in full detail on television.
Under Nicolae CeauÅŸescu, both abortion and contraception were forbidden, leading to a rise in birth rates. This resulted in many children being abandoned and these were joined in the orphanages by disabled and mentally ill people. Together these vulnerable groups were subjected to institutionalised neglect and abuse, including physical and sexual abuse and use of drugs to control behaviour.
Don't these fools ever learn?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002390930
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They had a damned fine national anthem...that's it.
They also did a fine job killing Nazis.
More recently they killed a crapload of muzzies.
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They also did a fine job killing Nazis.
More recently they killed a crapload of muzzies.
The Nazis actually did a lot better job of killing Russians than vise-versa, there were just about ten times more Russians than Nazis. They did manage a better return on effort against Chechen muzzies, not so well against the Afghans but then again we were helping the Afghans by feeding them Stingers to suppress the Soviet air support.
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The Nazis actually did a lot better job of killing Russians than vise-versa, there were just about ten times more Russians than Nazis.
That's also very true, and just about the only point one can find in favor of the Nazis.
The enormous, horrendously bloody battles of the Barbarossa campaign, in retrospect, were win-win for the civilized world.
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That's also very true, and just about the only point one can find in favor of the Nazis.
The enormous, horrendously bloody battles of the Barbarossa campaign, in retrospect, were win-win for the civilized world.
True, true.
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DUmmies like Russia because there you got a roof over your head and four walls for free....no heat, no hot water and sometimes no water at all but it was free. Sounds more like the homeless living in abandoned buildings in Detroit to me...but it's free.
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DUmmies like Russia because there you got a roof over your head and four walls for free....no heat, no hot water and sometimes no water at all but it was free. Sounds more like the homeless living in abandoned buildings in Detroit to me...but it's free.
The kind of "free" that comes with a price.
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The kind of "free" that comes with a price.
Only if you know its value to begin with. DUmmies, as usual, have no clue.