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BrentWil
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When is Violence Morally Justified?
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When is violence morally justified? I am asking when it is justified for a person (i.e. you) or a group (i.e. a State).
Also, what are the implications of your judgement? What wars were justified? What acts individual acts of violence are justified?
Star Member Taverner
7. Violence against property is often morally justified
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Violence against people is rarely morally justified
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When libs talk about morality I cringe.
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Said it before, will say it again: to a liberal, violence is justified if and only if the violence is committed against WHITE PEOPLE. Consider WWII: there is much hemming and hawing on DU about our involvement with Japan, despite Japan actually attacking the US. Germany? Never did a damned thing to us, but to a liberal, that was the only good war ever.
Why? Easy: Germans are white people.
Case closed.
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In their minds violence against the unborn is not only justified, but something to be celebrated.
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Taverner
7. Violence against property is often morally justified
Violence against people is rarely morally justified
I tell you what, Tav, ol' buddy.
You "commit violence" against MY property, justified or not, and I will be intensely violent on your sorry ass. :killemall:
"With Extreme Prejudice" if you get my drift.
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7. Violence against property is often morally justified
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Violence against people is rarely morally justified
This is the single stupidest thing I have read in years.
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Star Member yellerpup
9. When someone is attacking you
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with violence and the only way to defend yourself is to counter with violence, then use whatever force necessary to defend your life.
The USA was never attacked by Iraq and Bush (of course) lied that we were in imminent danger of being attacked with nuclear weapons. IMO, he does not now nor did he ever have justification to make war in Iraq. How he would argue--I doubt if he could put two thoughts together, much less a coherent argument. He's a war criminal and should be prosecuted. Let him argue his case in court.
These idiots are still on that?
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This is the single stupidest thing I have read in years.
I bet, if said property belongs to them, all of a sudden it is a criminal act.
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Bush (of course) lied that we were in imminent danger of being attacked with nuclear weapons
Bush, nor anyone in his administration ever made that claim, you potted plant.
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Taverner is referring to the particular violence against property of placing it in a spoon, covering it with water, and boiling it before loading it into a syringe.
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This is the single stupidest thing I have read in years.
Be patient.
This year has barely started.
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A search of this forum with the paramaters "Taverner violence" yields quite a few instances of ol' Tavs promoting that very thing.
Here is a particularly interesting one where Tavs yearns to "burn down the corporatists", in a blaze of self-righteous anger, a la, a similar attack several months ago in India..enjoy.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,56203.0/highlight,taverner+violence.html
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A search of this forum with the paramaters "Taverner violence" yields quite a few instances of ol' Tavs promoting that very thing.
Here is a particularly interesting one where Tavs yearns to "burn down the corporatists", in a blaze of self-righteous anger, a la, a similar attack several months ago in India..enjoy.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,56203.0/highlight,taverner+violence.html
Taverner is a ****ing unemployabvle drug addicted scumbag - not surprised he can't remember what he said yesterday, let alone months ago.
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Star Member Taverner
7. Violence against property is often morally justified
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Violence against people is rarely morally justified
So it's all good if I come past sat morning and burn down your dope crop ?
Just letting you know in advance so you can ensure you're safely out of the way. Wouldn't want to accidentally be violent against a person now would I.
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To a liberal/socialist, commie...Moral anything is a nebulous concept.
Remember Anthony Weiner's resignation? DUers were saying he didn't have to resign because he never ran on a moral platform...moral standards simply did not apply to him. Too bad that the voters in his district decided they wanted a moral man and elected a republican (against a hand picked Democrat) for the first time in 50 years.
In the Mind Numbing Stupidity forum, there is a thread about the Daily Kos founder claiming no one cares if Occupiers rape women, the cause is more important. Morality is not exactly the Left's strong suit.
I shudder when the left does take a moral stand. The Death Penalty is immoral...but the mass murder of millions of babies is not a moral issue. Meat is murder but not abortion. Its no big deal if Iran wants to commit a a second (nuclear) holocaust...its only Israel. DU went into spasms of orgasmic Joy when Fired workers in India burned an executive to death (the executive had no relationship to the firing). DU loved the moral rightness of it all.
What do we learn from this?
When the Left takes a moral stand, people DIE.
We all have known for quite a while that the Occupy movement is planning on violence. Like DU, commies lie all the time. Hence you should take warning when a movement starts out claiming non-violence but goads the police with acts of...violence. the rapes and murders in the camps are just a vision of the true foundations of the movement. They are not speaking revolution for naught.
2012 will be an interesting year. There will be no obvious connections, but the democrats have found their brown shirts. Violence is about to become a political tool of the democrat party. Not all DUmmies are useless eaters in the parent's basement. Occupy is setting the foundation for murder.
posts like the OP, simply ought to warn you.
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mor·al [mawr-uhl, mor-]
adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.
4. capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.
5. conforming to the rules of right conduct ( opposed to immoral): a moral man.
I now understand why DUmmies and morals have never gotten acquainted. :-)
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When it is committed against someone that a leftist/Liberal/socialist/communist/fascist disagrees with. [/DUchebag]
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Said it before, will say it again: to a liberal, violence is justified if and only if the violence is committed against WHITE PEOPLE. Consider WWII: there is much hemming and hawing on DU about our involvement with Japan, despite Japan actually attacking the US. Germany? Never did a damned thing to us, but to a liberal, that was the only good war ever.
Why? Easy: Germans are white people.
Case closed.
I would open the case back up to add that Nazi Germany broke the non-aggression pact with the workers paradise.
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The occupoopers are more of a bowel movement.
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BrentWil
27. One will lead to the other. Do you have a right to use violence for someone defending their land?
Taverner
31. Anyone who kills another over property has committed cold blooded murder IMO
I think there is a good chance Taverner is capable of killing a person.
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11. Well then....
Every year tens of thousands of people die because they don't have health insurance should we then kill the politicians who are keeping them from getting health insurance, should we kill the politicians that want to repeal the new healthcare bill ?
DU3 shines a giant spotlight on these flipping idiots. The monkey house at the San Diego Zoo is better moderated than the DUmp.
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Taverner
31. Anyone who kills another over property has committed cold blooded murder IMO.
In that case:
1. Leave my stuff alone, and keep your worthless ass out of West Virginia, Western Virginia, Western North Carolina, Eastern Kentucky, and Eastern Tennessee. People around here ARE armed, and WILL shoot you over their property, and it is LEGAL!
2. You know the old saying about opinions. It's also better to have one than to be one.
3. The only thing needing to be committed is YOU. Get help, son, even if it's self-inflicted.
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It's morally right to smash taverner's computer over taverner's head.
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In that case:
1. Leave my stuff alone, and keep your worthless ass out of West Virginia, Western Virginia, Western North Carolina, Eastern Kentucky, and Eastern Tennessee. People around here ARE armed, and WILL shoot you over their property, and it is LEGAL!
2. You know the old saying about opinions. It's also better to have one than to be one.
3. The only thing needing to be committed is YOU. Get help, son, even if it's self-inflicted.
And once the governor signs the new law. Your family can't sue me for shooting your butt.
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Castle doctrine here.
C'mon down and **** with my property, Taverner. You'll never hear the shot...I promise.
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Taverner
7. Violence against property is often morally justified
Violence against people is rarely morally justified
I DARE you to try this in Georgia. ...and no, don't be a *****, go out in the country while the person is home and start tearing his shit up. We'll be rid of your ass in less than 3 seconds rounds.
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Star Member Taverner
7. Violence against property is often morally justified
Spoken like someone who has done nothing in their life to actually accumulate any property.
Remember the old lesson we learned as children that if we didn't earn it, it doesn't mean as much? Looks like the Oakland main-liner was hot shotting the day that one was reviewed.
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When you get your WW2 or see the bottom line of your selfemployed efforts deminshed by the government assisted hands of the DUmmies in your pocket then...
Violence is Morally Justified.
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People who worry about whether violence is 'Morally justified' in a situation are overthinking it, to make up for the lack of the moral compass necessary to make the decision when the situation arises.
As an approach to dangerous situations, it's also a good way to come in second in a gunfight.
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Castle doctrine here.
C'mon down and **** with my property, Taverner. You'll never hear the shot...I promise.
We are still waiting on that one here in the Old Dominion. You would think that a state with really good gun laws would have that but we don't. :bawl:
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Taverner
31. Anyone who kills another over property has committed cold blooded murder IMO
The Revolutionary War was fought over property and who would rule over it.
IOW the colonists should have never declared their independence from England and, when the British sent their military to put down the rebellion and keep the the colonies as they were, the colonists should not have taken up arms against them.
Poor Taverner. A mind is a terrible thing.
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The Revolutionary War was fought over property and who would rule over it.
IOW the colonists should have never declared their independence from England and, when the British sent their military to put down the rebellion and keep the the colonies as they were, the colonists should not have taken up arms against them.
Poor Taverner. A mind is a terrible thing.
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His mind is a terrible thing. All two brain cells of it--each waving goodbye to the other.
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What a douche nozzle. I dare him as well to try and do something to anyones property around here. One time some kids were going around taking baseball bats to mailboxes until one owner took a shot at them with a rifle and shot out the back window of the car they were driving.
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I tell you what, Tav, ol' buddy.
You "commit violence" against MY property, justified or not, and I will be intensely violent on your sorry ass. :killemall:
"With Extreme Prejudice" if you get my drift.
Far as Ah'm concerned, violence against a DUmbass is always justified. You pukes ever talk to me like you brag you do to other conservatives, and I'll stomp a mud puddle in yer ass! And as Diesel says, "with extreme prejudice"!
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Far as Ah'm concerned, violence against a DUmbass is always justified. You pukes ever talk to me like you brag you do to other conservatives, and I'll stomp a mud puddle in yer ass! And as Diesel says, "with extreme prejudice"!
I myself am not prejudice....just extreme.
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There is "justifiable homicide". Check out this story from Savannah,GA.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/16410805/police-suspect-shot-by-wendys-worker-during-robbery
They did not file charges against the worker....called the shooting justifiable homicide.
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There is "justifiable homicide". Check out this story from Savannah,GA.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/16410805/police-suspect-shot-by-wendys-worker-during-robbery
They did not file charges against the worker....called the shooting justifiable homicide.
I wonder if the guy was fired by Wendy's though?
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From an article in the local paper...
http://savannahnow.com/latest-news/2011-12-30/police-seeking-second-suspect-wendys-robbery-shooting#.T0QYSfEgeRg
Bryan Saba, chief operations officer for the Wilmington Island Wendy’s franchise, said Dasher was not barred from carrying a gun while on duty.
“I’ve never told him he could have a gun at work. I’ve never told him he couldn’t,†Saba said, but added that he doesn’t “encourage anybody to carry a weapon into the store."
Wendy’s International does not set safety policies for franchisees, according to a company spokesman Denny Lynch.
Saba said he has reviewed safety procedures with Dasher since the incident and expressed sympathy for Clark’s family and for Dasher. Regardless of the robbery, Clark was “still somebody’s son,†Saba said.
Dasher was closing the restaurant when the robbery happened, according to a police report. His employee left the door open after taking out the trash. Two men, their faces covered and wearing black, accosted Dasher inside the restaurant, putting a gun to his head, forcing him into an office and robbing him.
The robbers made off with an undisclosed amount of cash, running east toward Johnny Mercer Boulevard. Police say Dasher went for his handgun, shooting Clark in the head in Blue Fin Circle, a commercial drive that runs off U.S. 80 to the Wendy’s.
Dasher told police Clark pointed a pistol at him just before he shot him.
It doesn't sound like they fired him...he had the gun in his car NOT in the store.
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People who worry about whether violence is 'Morally justified' in a situation are overthinking it, to make up for the lack of the moral compass necessary to make the decision when the situation arises.
As an approach to dangerous situations, it's also a good way to come in second in a gunfight.
Very true, libs struggle with any issue that involves needing a moral compass.
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People who worry about whether violence is 'Morally justified' in a situation are overthinking it, to make up for the lack of the moral compass necessary to make the decision when the situation arises.
As an approach to dangerous situations, it's also a good way to come in second in a gunfight.
Second place in a gunfight usually means your the first loser and probably dead. Neither of which I ever intend to be. DUmmies love to talk about taking guns away and how much safer it would be without them. If it's so safe to live in a place with no guns the why don't they move to where there aren't any? I've heard that places like Detroit is wonderfull to live in as long as you don't mind ducking for cover from all the illeagle guns being used
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What a douche nozzle. I dare him as well to try and do something to anyones property around here. One time some kids were going around taking baseball bats to mailboxes until one owner took a shot at them with a rifle and shot out the back window of the car they were driving.
Which reminds me of a rather amusing story from my younger years......myself and my family lived in the suburbs of NYC, and a bunch of "yoots" thought it very amusing to cruise the subdivisions in theiir cars the night before the garbage was collected......smashing into the cans, destroying them, and spreading trash all over the street.
My neighbor and I hatched a plot.......we borrowed his father's pickup truck, took four garbage cans to Jones Beach, and filled them with wet sand......placed them out on the night before the garbage was to be collected (it required two people and an appliance dolly to move each of them). About 2 AM, we were all awakened by this terriffic "crash", and after dressing, and running out to the street, we found an abandoned (and totalled) car in the middle of the street......we quickly dumped the sand into the storm sewer, and replaced the cans with the ones containing trash......we never had a problem with this type of vandalsim again.
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Which reminds me of a rather amusing story from my younger years......myself and my family lived in the suburbs of NYC, and a bunch of "yoots" thought it very amusing to cruise the subdivisions in theiir cars the night before the garbage was collected......smashing into the cans, destroying them, and spreading trash all over the street.
My neighbor and I hatched a plot.......we borrowed his father's pickup truck, took four garbage cans to Jone's Beach, and filled them with wet sand......placed them out on the night before the garbage was to be collected (it required two people and an appliance dolly to move each of them). About 2 AM, we were all awakened by this terriffic "crash", and after dressing, and running out to the street, we found an abandoned (and totalled) car in the middle of the street......we quickly dumped the sand into the storm sewer, and replaced the cans with the ones containing trash......we never had a problem with this type of vandalsim again.
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My father had a friend who worked for one of the local County transportation departments, and my father's best friend would get into his old car (which, as my father described it, was almost an M4 Sherman tank) and go looking for the road crews' barrels out in the boonies, many years ago. Well, the best friend would mow them down. Said other friend got pissed off, and one day filled one of those barrels with all sorts of rip rap and BFRs (Big ****ing Rocks). So, the best friend was out with the gang that oncoming weekend, mowing down barrels, and WHAM! They found the one that had 400 lbs. of rocks in it. For some strange reason, said best friend never did that again . . .
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Little risk of violence from a nodding mainline junkie like DUmmy Taverner. He might steal the GPS out of your car, or break into your garage, but violence is too much like work.
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My father had a friend who worked for one of the local County transportation departments, and my father's best friend would get into his old car (which, as my father described it, was almost an M4 Sherman tank) and go looking for the road crews' barrels out in the boonies, many years ago. Well, the best friend would mow them down. Said other friend got pissed off, and one day filled one of those barrels with all sorts of rip rap and BFRs (Big ****ing Rocks). So, the best friend was out with the gang that oncoming weekend, mowing down barrels, and WHAM! They found the one that had 400 lbs. of rocks in it. For some strange reason, said best friend never did that again . . .
My brother told me a story from a friend of his that had trouble with his mailbox getting hit and run over about every other week. Friend finally got tired of it and sank a 6X6 I-beam about 4 feet into the ground, boxed it up to look like a 6X6 post, and put his mailbox on top of it.
Two weeks later, he came out one morning to a car "parked" on top of the mailbox post. No more problems after that. :lmao:
We used to have problems every now and then with kids coming down my road and hitting mailboxes with bats or whatever. A few of us fabricated some mailboxes out of 1/4 inch plate steel (a guy down the road had a machine shop and rolled the plate for us), painted them to look just like a new box, and welded them on top of 4 inch pieces of steam conduit. In the 10 years since we've done that (some of those boxes are still standing), no mailboxes have been damaged, although one of the "good" ones has a few dings. :lmao:
The BEST mailbox I've ever seen is on one of the routes I sub on. It's made out of 1/2 inch thick 4X10 rectangular tubing stock, with 1/4 plate welded on one end, and a door made out of 1/4 plate and 1X1 angle iron. I bet the thing weighs 200 pounds, because the door weighs 10! (And YES, I said 1/2 inch thick. It's bulletproof, literally.)
Makes my hands sting just thinking what hitting it with a baseball bat would feel like. :lmao:
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Speaking of mailboxes, the best "gotcha" I have ever seen was pulled on a mailman that had a bit of a drinking problem.
Our mailman would get his mail then sit in the high school parking lot (this was summer) and get smashed before doing his route. Mail would end up all over the neighborhood. Now, this wasn't entirely a bad thing - we got to see each other in the evening and pass some nice words while we sorted out our mail. It was, however, a bit trifling when we consider the fact that the US Mail was not supposed to work that way and the frikkin' mailman was one of our neighbors.
Some smartass 13 year old kid got the bright idea to shove a stray cat into a roadside mailbox one night and see what would happen when the mailman (we'll call him Jack Daniels) made his delivery.
The next afternoon, after having to turn himself around in a mailbox and sitting in the summer sun for a bit, Mr Kitty was plenty pissed off and ready to get out. Here came "Jack", doing his low speed swerve approach to the mailbox and stopped right in front of it. He turned his head to get the mail while using his left hand and opened the mailbox with his right. About the time Mr Kitty saw daylight, he made a run for it and tore "Jack's" ass up from finger tip to finger tip. I will be the first to tell you that a rapid sobering from a traumatic event is never fun and I'll bet having a pissed off kitty using your skin for traction made the effects of the whiskey vanish pretty quickly.
He retired not long after that incident.....