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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dixierose on February 15, 2012, 07:28:37 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002315102
nadinbrzezinski
Puffed-up claims from the wind-power lobby. And some opponents. Posted on February 9, 2012
The wind-power lobby is spinning the facts in a $1.4-million TV ad campaign aimed at extending a lucrative tax break worth billions to the industry.
Its ads claim that Congress is “threatening new taxes†targeting wind power, which isn’t true. No “new taxes†are envisioned. Instead, Congress is considering whether or not to renew an existing $1.3-billion-a-year tax break that expires at the end of 2012.
The industry is also claiming that wind energy is “on track†to support half a million new jobs within 20 years. Maybe so. But those jobs “would displace jobs and economic activity elsewhere,†according to the very study cited by the wind lobby.
The debate over the tax break couldn’t be coming at a worse time for the wind-power industry. Falling natural gas prices are already bringing stiff competition from gas-fired electric plants, making some wind-power projects economically uncompetitive even with the advantage of a tax subsidy.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/wind-spin/
I am all for green, but this as to be taken as good vs bad. Locally it's not good for eagles and other raptors.
Champion Jack
1. Wind farms don't pollute aquifers
Personally, I'll trade a few birds for the eco annihilation that the gas industry is doing.
And yes, I see it first hand every day. Fracking is not good for anyone.
nadinbrzezinski
3. Problem with wind farms
Is that there are other things that could give us the power as well
We get into the issue of distributive, vs centralized power generatin.
Solar should be the to go, and every house should have solar.
Wind, again industrial farms vs distributive models (that will avoid enough raptors...we are not talking a few birds here)
And fracking should not even be considered.
Of course I am dreaming, but if I had my own home, not an apartment...I would already have solar.
MadHound
2. First off, the bird blender meme is becoming more antiquidated every day
With lower blade speeds and better turbine placement, bird strikes are being increasingly minimized.
Meanwhile, not all wind power is coming from turbines anymore either.
Stop getting your anti-wind memes from out of the eighties and nineties.
nadinbrzezinski
4. Take it with fact check
And here it is a real problem.
Her "cyber-bullies" haven't shown up to this campfire yet. I'm anxiously awaiting their responses :)
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The industry is also claiming that wind energy is “on track†to support half a million new jobs within 20 years.
I laughed beer out of my nose when I read that.....still am laughing at it. You have got to think you are real smart to believe that. lol, lol, lol
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002315102
Her "cyber-bullies" haven't shown up to this campfire yet. I'm anxiously awaiting their responses :)
They will, Dixie, they will.
How does Nads spell Solyndra or whatever it was?
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Meanwhile, not all wind power is coming from turbines anymore either.
Then where does this magic wind power come from?
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Then where does this magic wind power come from?
Nads.
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Nads.
LOL...I was thinking it takes a windbag to know wind-power.
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"Green industry" has yet to support even one single job. Every one exists due to a tax giveaway.
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Response to Champion Jack (Reply #1)
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 07:02 PM
nadinbrzezinski (101,772 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Problem with wind farms
Is that there are other things that could give us the power as well
We get into the issue of distributive, vs centralized power generatin.
Solar should be the to go, and every house should have solar.
Wind, again industrial farms vs distributive models (that will avoid enough raptors...we are not talking a few birds here)
And fracking should not even be considered. Oh hell yes. Frack yer ass off.
Of course I am dreaming, but if I had my own home, not an apartment...I would already have solar.
Does that start with an "N"???
A future contestant #8?
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 07:02 PM
MadHound (30,332 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. First off, the bird blender meme is becoming more antiquidated every day
With lower blade speeds and better turbine placement, bird strikes are being increasingly minimized.
Meanwhile, not all wind power is coming from turbines anymore either.
Stop getting your anti-wind memes from out of the eighties and nineties.
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Oh she knows wind power alright, both types in fact.
Remember, a burp is a fart that your butt rejected. :-)
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:rofl:
I wonder if she's referring to water turbines. There were some installed in UK waters recently, or are in the works (approximately 1 MW, I think). They don't have rich Kennedys around to bitch about their view being ruined. And those same bird-strike stories are being repeated by liberal environmental groups like Greenpeace and ELF.
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Well, nads, since you're a suuupppperrrr genius ala Wile E. Coyote, perhaps you could tell me a few things, such as:
--Wind power capacity in the United States. (Appx. 40,000 MW as of 2010.)
--Wind power GENERATED in the United States. (Appx. 95TWh as of 2010.)
--Percentage of US electricity generated by wind. (2.3 percent.)
--And here's the kicker, the AVAILABILITY of wind power. Work with me here, nads:
40000 MW X 24 hours/day X 365 days/year = 350,400,000 MWh, or 350.4 TWh, assuming you had 100 percent availability, but you don't.
95 / 350.4 = 27.1 percent availability. Frankly, nads--THAT SUCKS.
Compare that to baseload generation such as nuclear or coal, with availability in the 90-plus percent range.
Again, wind power is far more expensive per KwH than nuclear, coal or gas. Deal with it.
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Well, nads, since you're a suuupppperrrr genius ala Wile E. Coyote, perhaps you could tell me a few things, such as:
--Wind power capacity in the United States. (Appx. 40,000 MW as of 2010.)
--Wind power GENERATED in the United States. (Appx. 95TWh as of 2010.)
--Percentage of US electricity generated by wind. (2.3 percent.)
--And here's the kicker, the AVAILABILITY of wind power. Work with me here, nads:
40000 MW X 24 hours/day X 365 days/year = 350,400,000 MWh, or 350.4 TWh, assuming you had 100 percent availability, but you don't.
95 / 350.4 = 27.1 percent availability. Frankly, nads--THAT SUCKS.
Compare that to baseload generation such as nuclear or coal, with availability in the 90-plus percent range.
Again, wind power is far more expensive per KwH than nuclear, coal or gas. Deal with it.
That's Google overload for Nads.
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I laughed beer out of my nose when I read that.....still am laughing at it. You have got to think you are real smart to believe that. lol, lol, lol
"The industry is also claiming that wind energy is 'on track'..."
Maybe they really meant "On crack."
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"The industry is also claiming that wind energy is 'on track'..."
Maybe they really meant "On crack."
The only, and I mean ONLY (!) reason any alternative energy sources are built anywhere in this country can be summed up in two words:
Tax breaks.
Eliminate them, the expansion of wind and solar is dead.