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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on February 07, 2012, 12:16:25 PM
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oberliner (17,095 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Book details JFK affair with White House teen intern
Excerpt:
In an excerpt published by The Post, Alford wrote that she met Kennedy just four days into her internship, and that he invited her the following day on a personal tour of the White House residence that included first lady Jackie Kennedy's bedroom.
Fifty years on, Alford -- now a 69-year-old grandmother and retired New York City church administrator -- writes that she lost her virginity to Kennedy that day.
"Slowly, he unbuttoned the top of my shirtdress and touched my breasts," Alford -- at the time Mimi Beardsley -- wrote in the excerpt.
"Then he reached up between my legs and started to pull off my underwear. I finished unbuttoning my shirtdress and let it fall off my shoulders."
"After he finished, he hitched up his pants and smiled at me" before pointing her in the direction of the bathroom, the Post reported.
"I was in shock," Alford wrote.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iKwM0CUoByraAT1u4bXKtVNxmM5w?docId=CNG.956cc047c755305c8ad4580183554bcc.e1
kskiska
21. She was a debutante.
Attended Miss Porter's School, same as Jackie.
Relevancy?
Nuclear Unicorn
2. Obviously I haven't read the entire account but might we remain skeptical in fairness?
It's not like President Kennedy can defend himself or WH records could bolster or disprove her claim.
I s'pose. Too bad Cain didn't get that kind of pass. But then again he's a black conservative.
Nuclear Unicorn (4,391 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
16. As oberliner noted the description does not sound consensual.
To believe her account is to believe JFK was essentially a rapist. I stand by my original appeal to skepticism in light of the reasonable impossibility of proving the matter one way or another but the description given was anything but consensual. I know if I described something like that to my dad he would be crawling over Secret Service agents to punch-out my attacker.
DutchLiberal
34. How is it not consensual??!
He didn't use force. He didn't use violence. He didn't threaten her. He didn't abuse her.
She didn't resist. She didn't even object. She didn't say no. She gave no indication that she didn't want it. She even unbuttoned her shirt herself.
So to say that believing her account, which I do, is believing JFK "was essentially a rapist" is pure and utter bullshit. He was just a guy who was lucky enough to be able to have sex with young attractive women.
:popcorn:
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Oh my. </franksolich>
FarPoint
7. The man had a severe chronic back injury
Addison disease and took narcotics for pain...he was never that horney...lot's of opportunities for females to cash in post mortum in my opinion.
:thatsright:
virgogal
4. She's claiming that the long shadow of the affair was responsible
for the breakdown of her own marriage.
Bullshit !
jwirr (18,527 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. I would agree. I think we need to remember that this was an era of "free sex" and it was really
different - even that today. Kind of anything goes atmosphere. So I to think that this could be true but not necessarily the cause of her marriage breaking up unless she was still infatuated with JFK and it got in the way. Sexuality and the results were taken very casually back then.
Maybe instead of DOTY we need the DUmbass Olympics. We can have events like Synchronized Meme Swimming, the Long-Jump to Conclusion and the Epithet Javelin Throw.
The above post would take the gold for Mental Gynmastics.
Blue_In_AK (34,127 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Written like a Harlequin romance novel. n/t
Missy Vixen (16,125 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
36. Actually, no, it's not
Harlequin's publication standards are much higher.
-MV
romance author
Peregrine Took
10. What is her motive for coming forward with this now?
Iggo
19. Sell books. (n/t)
JitterbugPerfume (17,545 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. Why did she wait so long to "reveal" this?
this whole thing can't pass the smell test
CurtEastPoint (2,817 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
22. Amen to that. FIFTY years later? Please.
When were Cain or Gingrinch ever granted these benefits?
meanit
23. Sounds like just another installment of right wing tabloid BS about the Kennedys.
(she) "recalls that he confided to her, while embroiled in the drama of the Cuban missile crisis that "I'd rather my children red, than dead."
That line kinda gives it away, doesn't it?
Yeah, total RW talking point.
Next thing you know they'll be accusing a Kennedy of being so intoxicated he drove his mistress off a bridge and left her to drown while his pregnant wife was at home.
That's just the sort of BS we would make-up.
bluestate10 (4,876 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
29. Well known that JFK was a panty chaser who would screw any attractive woman that let him.
There is nothing new in the disclosure that he would have sex with a 19 year old that was willing and struck his fancy. His nephew had sex with a 14 year old. Rampant womanizing ran robust among the men in his family, starting with JFK's father.
And that too was rape.
SaintPete
31. So?
No reflection on you oberliner, but what exactly are we supposed to think/do about this?
Not a thing, IMO.
RainDog
45. guess what? people in positions of power (often men) use that position for sex
this is nothing new and will no doubt continue. at that time, attitudes were even more misogynistic than now - and, even today, people use their positions of power to have sex with people they wouldn't approach otherwise.
some men don't care about marriage vows - then and now. some women, too, for that matter.
I guess I'm cynical, but I'm far more surprised when people behave ethically than when they do not. I like to see ethical actions, but I don't think that's what happens most of the time.
leeroysphitz (9,387 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
48. This woman is clearly lying here and trying to profit from besmirching a great man.
The question is why. These people always have an angle.
This is why William Kennedy Smith told his victim he could get away with it and why Michael Skacel damn near got away with murder.
****ing enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002275512#post49
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So not OK to say that JFK was a horndog after he dies, but fine to say Nixon and Lincoln were gay. Double standards much DUmbasses?
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uh oh:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002278866
Ye verily the shitstorm cometh.
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meanit
23. Sounds like just another installment of right wing tabloid BS about the Kennedys.
(she) "recalls that he confided to her, while embroiled in the drama of the Cuban missile crisis that "I'd rather my children red, than dead."
That line kinda gives it away, doesn't it?
Totally being dumb here because this was before my time but I thought he was meaning red as in commie? and not republican? :???:
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Totally being dumb here because this was before my time but I thought he was meaning red as in commie? and not republican? :???:
Yeah, well. You not being a DUmbass means you're not a dumbass.
BTW - just for the sake of trivia: the original quote, "Better red than dead" comes from Bertrand Russell, who did mean it as his willingness to accept Soviet dominance than fight a war for freedom that might annihilate life as we know it. He was quite the scoundrel in his day and considered a paragon of modern liberal ideology. He even slept with a colleague's 13 year old daughter during his tenure as a professor of ethics. When called to account for the contradiction between his chair and his lifestyle he noted he did not need to be a triangle to teach geometry.
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leeroysphitz (9,387 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
48. This woman is clearly lying here and trying to profit from besmirching a great man.
The question is why. These people always have an angle.
Two words DUmbasses
Anita Hill
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This is different! Kennedy was a member of the Demokrat Party.
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Two words DUmbasses
Anita Hill
Yep! Frankly, if I found a pubic hair on my coke can the first person I'd suspect is the delivery guy who stocks (or in this case stalks) the vending machines.
Cindie
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uh oh:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002278866
Ye verily the shitstorm cometh.
Holy shit.
DutchLiberal trapsed in and called the Ladies Auxillary "feminazis" in retaliation for the call-out.
You must
go
see
:popcorn:
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Damn, that's quite a bonfire. The censors got to the "feminazi" comment before I could screen cap it. Those ****ers are quick.
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gee, whatever happened to the whole 'power unbalance' thing they refer to when someone they dislike is accused of sexual assault ? I would think that an encounter between a 19 year old intern and the leader of the free world qualified as 'unbalanced'
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Yeah, well. You not being a DUmbass means you're not a dumbass.
BTW - just for the sake of trivia: the original quote, "Better red than dead" comes from Bertrand Russell, who did mean it as his willingness to accept Soviet dominance than fight a war for freedom that might annihilate life as we know it. He was quite the scoundrel in his day and considered a paragon of modern liberal ideology. He even slept with a colleague's 13 year old daughter during his tenure as a professor of ethics. When called to account for the contradiction between his chair and his lifestyle he noted he did not need to be a triangle to teach geometry.
^5 for the quote. I believe in giving credit where credit is due and that is one great line.
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Damn, that's quite a bonfire. The censors got to the "feminazi" comment before I could screen cap it. Those ****ers are quick.
NU has a post hidden now so she's locked out of the thread she started.
Weird rules they have there.
She's normally kinda polite but every now and again she gets her dander up.
I bet she's a red-head.
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NU has a post hidden now so she's locked out of the thread she started.
Weird rules they have there.
She's normally kinda polite but every now and again she gets her dander up.
I bet she's a red-head.
:bird:
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I did not check out the thread. Did anyone mention that she was in a diminished capacity due to several drinks, and, that it was Jackie's bed that he popped her cherry on? :whistling:
Yeah, by the way, the whole rape thing only applies to girls who don't really want it. I am sure that is what the typical Dummy always maintains. No way it was rape. She wanted it. JFK only enabled her mad drunken desires. :popcorn:
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What my fellow ginger vGina said
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:bird:
What my fellow ginger vGina said
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't see you ladies standing there.
:whistling:
BTW - "vGina"? Is that missing an "a" or something?
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What my fellow ginger vGina said
Wait, your ginger vGina talks ?!? - Oh my.... :-)
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Response to DutchLiberal (Reply #148)
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:35 PM
Nuclear Unicorn (4,419 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
152. "Feminazis"?!?!
Listen to Rush Limbaugh much?
There is a flaw in their censorship system.
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Wait, your ginger vGina talks ?!? - Oh my.... :-)
Yeah, makes a sound kinda like this:
(http://mlkshk.com/r/2R0)
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From the original JFK thread:
T S Justly (879 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
75. Character assassination of an assassinated President fifty years after a conspiracy murdered him?
Well, what's a successful transition to fascism without something like that?
He's a "Creative Speculation" regular.
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From the original JFK thread:
He's a "Creative Speculation" regular.
Well why the **** not? They're STILL trying to pin shit on Reagan 30 years after the fact.
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Yeah, makes a sound kinda like this:
(http://mlkshk.com/r/2R0)
Great, now you got me thinking of mamacags steak flaps :whatever: