grasswire (32,737 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Are we allowed to talk about Andy Stephenson?
I saw on an old message board that DU restricted any conversation about Andy. Is that still the case? Please advise.0
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Response to Suich (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:56 PM
grasswire (32,737 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. There's a comment on an old KOS thread that mentions the restriction.
I was here during that time, but I honestly don't remember all the ins and outs. It got to be overwhelmingly confusing, and I honestly don't even remember what was we ultimately learned was true and not true. I just know that Andy's alleged enemies during that time are the same as those who are now attacking DU-ers with impunity, from the conservativecave web site (which we are now allowed to mention on DU).
The KOS story is here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/06/13/121559/-Allegations-of-Fraud-Hound-Andy-Stephenson-Charity-Fundraising-Campaign
The comment is from KOS user CTChomskyfan
Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #22):lol:
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:56 AM
grasswire (32,737 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. well, one of ours is being pestered now, by the same misfits
Omaha Steve has made himself vulnerable in the interest of Democratic politics (running for local office), and is now under attack by the misfits at conservative cave
Response to grasswire (Reply #25)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:06 AM
ScreamingMeemie (57,205 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
26. Isn't that the splinter group off of conservative underground?
I won't give them the page hit (I used to visit conservative underground when there were a couple of reasonable people there) to see what they are up to. I commend you for being able to do that. That group's attacks tend to be of the armchair quarterback kind. Amazing they have time to post so much B.S. when they've supposedly got these awesome jobs.
Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #26)::)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:07 AM
grasswire (32,737 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
30. but the ringleader is the very same person who took the attack to Andy
The one who sent Andy a telegram, and contacted the FBI, and so on.
We have a 'ringleader'?
Who knew?
We have a 'ringleader'?with the way this circus gets sometimes, we should
Who knew?
We're not attacking Omaha Steve Dawes, Grasswire. We're simply pointing out to the good people of Nebraska, should they choose to google his name, that he is a strong supporter of socialism. Anything wrong with that?
We're not attacking Omaha Steve Dawes, Grasswire. We're simply pointing out to the good people of Nebraska, should they choose to google his name, that he is a strong supporter of socialism. Anything wrong with that?
We're not attacking Omaha Steve Dawes, Grasswire. We're simply pointing out to the good people of Nebraska, should they choose to google his name, that he is a strong supporter of socialism. Anything wrong with that?
I seem to recall it was one certain William "Where-da-15-year-old-girls-be-at" Plop (Or something like that) who blew the whistle at DU and yelled "Scam" to stop donations at the time...from the recap i just read, it was was when will pitt started crying foul, the DU started hiding references to the fraud and it became a "we dont talk about that anymore" situation.
Well now, one has to understand the grasswire primitive is a little old, and a little off.
from the recap i just read, it was was when will pitt started crying foul, the DU started hiding references to the fraud and it became a "we dont talk about that anymore" situation.
what i dont get, what did the CC supposedly have to do with it? did someone from here slip andy some polomium-210?
Well now, one has to understand the grasswire primitive is a little old, and a little off.
One thing she's not, she's not infertile. A great-great-grandmother of a 5-year-old at the age of 65.
Some rather precocious sexual maturity runs in the family, apparently.
Anyway.
The fecund grasswire primitive thinks that merely by quoting a primitive, decent and civilized people are "stalking" that primitive. The primitives have a low threshhold for their definition of stalking, which of course has no relation, not even a distant one, to the usual and customary and legal definition of the activity.
By the way, I'm noticing there's a lot of ISP numbers (that aren't spiders or crawlers or whatevers) of "guests" visiting the Omaha Steve threads here the past couple of weeks--from Omaha, from Bellevue, from Papillion, from La Vista, from Ralston, from Plattsmouth. Some of them of course might be primitives, others might be by-chance visitors, but quite possibly some might be voters from Bellevue.
By the way, I'm noticing there's a lot of ISP numbers (that aren't spiders or crawlers or whatevers) of "guests" ........ might be by-chance visitors, but quite possibly some might be voters from Bellevue.:greet: hello
from the recap i just read, it was was when will pitt started crying foul, the DU started hiding references to the fraud and it became a "we dont talk about that anymore" situation.
what i dont get, what did the CC supposedly have to do with it? did someone from here slip andy some polomium-210?
Response to grasswire (Reply #25)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:06 AM
ScreamingMeemie (57,205 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
26. Isn't that the splinter group off of conservative underground?
I won't give them the page hit (I used to visit conservative underground when there were a couple of reasonable people there) to see what they are up to. I commend you for being able to do that. That group's attacks tend to be of the armchair quarterback kind. Amazing they have time to post so much B.S. when they've supposedly got these awesome jobs.
EFerrari (159,285 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
29. Skinner briefly banned discussion of our fundraising for Andy, his illness and his treatment until the details could be confirmed and while Andy's stalkers were causing all kinds of grief for Andy, his supporters and DU.
vesta, that picture is of two guys critical of the Putin regime. they were poisoned by the KGB. at least the the theory.
this andy fella died (still not sure if it was pancratic cancer or what) and the DU almost hold CC accountable for it. i was merely sarcastically insinuating a polonium-210 type conspiracy.
TheCrone Wrote: I want to mention this, as it is rather important now that the new DU3 is out, and seems to be about as repressive a forum as could exist.
No one ever mentions the tombstoning of topics supporting Andy Stephenson, back in May and June of 2005.
Although back in May of 2005, DU Admins allowed EFerrarai to raise the money Andy Stephenson needed for his cancer operations, by early June of 2005, topics discussing Andy were no longer allowed on DU. The most RW fanatics in the world had raised the bogus issue that Andy was not sick, and had pretended to be ill, all to raise money.
One of the biggest problems Andy faced was that he simply was too decent a person. For whatever reason, it is people who are superlative humans that often get thrown under the bus.
He had worked so hard for so long on the election fraud issue, always being the "best" friend of countless people that he met. Then in December 2004, Bev Harris snapped (there is simply no other word for it.) She made the decision to fire Andy from the organization that he had worked for and that he and Bev had created, and that Bev ran, Black Box Voting.
She was totally unclear about her reasons for firing Andy. She chose to do this on the same day that Andy had gone back to Texas, due to the death of his beloved older sister. A friend of Andy's pranked Bev and called her, pretending they were disgusted with Andy and asking her why she hadn't fired him sooner.
Well, that person's remark caused Bev to unleash a tsunami of negative comments - among them the "fact" that while Bev had needed Andy to set up an interview between Bev and Keith Olbermann, Andy had set it up so he could have the interview himself. (According to Bev's warped perception.) Bev stated that Andy's egomaniacal tendencies were simply too much for her, and that once she realized Andy was setting up the KO show interview for himself, stabbing her, his mentor in the back - she was forced to fire him.
Of course,when this got relayed back to Andy (within five minutes of the phone call to Bev) much minor hilarity and astonishment ensued. None of this was true. But Andy was fired none the less.
The prank caller also phoned Bev back to let her know that she had been pranked, in order to get Bev to reveal why Andy had been fired, and that the caller thought that Andy was among the ranks of the most professional activists that had walked the face of the earth.
Whether Bev Harris orchestrated the RW blow back in mid May 2005, that caused the rumor campaign that Andy was faking his cancer, will probably never be known. But the Admins shut down any mention of Andy all through late May and early June 2005 when Andy needed friends and support.
It was pointed out to the Admins through emails that Andy had provided full disclosure of his illness, and that there were even phone numbers of the doctor and nurses who had operated on him at Johns Hopkins Hospital in May. But the Admins, fearing for their own safety and reputation, allowed for no topics about AS.
Of course in the end, Andy gave the Admins the "proof" of his illness they required. He died in early July, and then it was possible to have discussions on DU about Andy and his death.
A person has to wonder, if he had miraculously recovered from the cancer, if he wold have been given a full blown Tombstone.
Well you have a piece of the story but very incomplete..and it sort of distorts all of what happened and what went down.
but through promises with Andy's mom and his family and loved ones I won't under any circumstances make the corrections...or dscuss what really happened with Andy and Bev..I won't do it for my own safety and health as well!
But i will say this..Andy was sick..he was a very sick young man with an incurable disease and the worst type of Pancreatic Cancer one could have ..and the rarest form.
I know this as I was the lady who took care of Andy after the surgery , i was the one who got him into the doc at JH and I was with him throughout the surgery.
I was with Andy's partner when the surgeon came out of the Whipple surgery.Andy's partner did not understand then nor till later how serious his cancer was ..the surgeon recognised that and spoke to me very seriously.. to make me understand how bad Andy's condition was, as I was going to be his caretaker.
I held him when he found out he was going to die from this cancer and that the cancer spread and was very agressive and rare...that he may not ever make it to chemo...and his days were numbered.
What was done to him by so called people who made out like they were advocating for him was dispicable. Many who are out right liars..and were more concerned with boasting their own importance!
I STAYED SILENT, AS WELL AS THREE OTHER PEOPLE WHO KNEW THE TRUTH . Out of respect for Andy's privacy as well as the privacy of his partner and his family. But believe me I watch the phoney sobs who used Andy for their own importance!
Andy knew who they were and he knew it to his end.He even attempted to pay them back...to his last days ..and in his own way.
Thats all I have to say about it..the people who betrayed him know damn well who they are..i just wonder how they live with themselves..their own importance in using Andy superceded the bullshit they projected to others.
I have to believe ..what goes around comes around..it is just not always on our own timetable.
Andy told me everything..and people who project to think they know what occured are in most cases off base...in many cases ..way off base.
I chose to respect Andy's moms wishes and I respect Andy's privacy ..even or more aptly..especially in his death.
fly
I remember Andy Stephenson. It has been almost 7 years. What a mess it was!
That's what I'm wondering.
Come on, whoever you are, confess up.
vesta, that picture is of two guys critical of the Putin regime. they were poisoned by the KGB. at least the the theory.
this andy fella died (still not sure if it was pancratic cancer or what) and the DU almost hold CC accountable for it. i was merely sarcastically insinuating a polonium-210 type conspiracy.
You talking about the tip of an umberella accidently hitting a fella in the butt? This Polonium-210 seems to work.
I STAYED SILENT, AS WELL AS THREE OTHER PEOPLE WHO KNEW THE TRUTH . Out of respect for Andy's privacy as well as the privacy of his partner and his family. But believe me I watch the phoney sobs who used Andy for their own importance!
Andy knew who they were and he knew it to his end.He even attempted to pay them back...to his last days ..and in his own way.
fly
Didn't Andy's former boss discover verified Democrat voter fraud in Florida somewhere and then get slapped down by the DUmmies and the Dem powers that be?
Why, I believe Arlene Martinez just called Beth Ferrari a "SOB". But why doesn't Arlene mention her European shopping trip? Why did she desert the sodomite?
I think it would be a good idea now to list up the accomplishments of the round, red, thoroughly dead sodomite, and all the other election fraud investigators.
Here we go:
1.
You're excused if you mistook that list for the list of successful "green energy" companies. There are similiarities.
Didn't Andy's former boss discover verified Democrat voter fraud in Florida somewhere and then get slapped down by the DUmmies and the Dem powers that be?
We have a 'ringleader'?
Who knew?
Why, I believe Arlene Martinez just called Beth Ferrari a "SOB". But why doesn't Arlene mention her European shopping trip? Why did she desert the sodomite?
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I'm still learning of all this scandal a bit at a time. I had no idea about Fly abandoning Andy for a shopping trip. Guess I have some reading to do.
Nope, vesta, here's a link to the story. Hardly an accidental killing, and the poison used in that case was ricin, not polonium.The umbrella is in the Spy Museum in DC. If you are ever in the area it is a great place to check out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2636459.stm
Didn't Andy-Boy live in a state where health care was...free? Washington, right?
I always wondered why he needed the DUmmies to pay for care when he already lived in a socialist paradise.
You would think such free health care was sub-standard or something the way he acted.
Precisely.
Andy HAD to go to Johns Hopkins, one of most expensive medical institutions in the WORLD.
Hey DUmmies, you think he'd still be with you under 0bamacare?
We're not attacking Omaha Steve Dawes, Grasswire. We're simply pointing out to the good people of Nebraska, should they choose to google his name, that he is a strong supporter of socialism. Anything wrong with that?
Actually, considering the subject, I'd say the ringleader has to be:
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And who'd have ever thunk that a union monkey would ever be a socialist? Next thing you know we will have to reveal that water is wet.
I'm still learning of all this scandal a bit at a time. I had no idea about Fly abandoning Andy for a shopping trip. Guess I have some reading to do.
Gees Rugnuts, what the Hell happend to that man, he sure looks awful. How on earth could this be a fraud, did he recover after getting donations and go on to suddenly become a young handsome man with out medical help??
Just what medical problem did he say he had, one picture looks like he had Leprosy, nose falling off.
Thanks for the recap. I've seen Andy mentioned in several posts and did not know the story.He's the round, red sodomite that coach killed.
Why does pancreatic cancer kill so quickly?
Pancreatic cancer is typically diagnosed at a late stage because it doesn't cause symptoms until it's too late. Weight loss, abdominal pain, jaundice [a yellowing of the skin due to toxic buildup in the liver]—those are the most common symptoms. They usually start after the tumor is a significant size. By then, chances are, it has metastasized [that is, spread to other parts of the body].
Only about 10 to 15 percent of pancreatic cancers are diagnosed when they could be considered for surgery. And the prognosis is poor even in patients who do have surgery, because it comes back about 85 percent of the time. At best, 25 to 30 percent of patients are alive five years after surgery.
When doctors do pancreatic cancer surgery, they take out 95 percent of the pancreas, including the tumor, and then they leave a small remnant of the pancreas in there that serves [the insulin-producing] functions.
If a person can live without a fully functional pancreas, then what, ultimately, kills most pancreatic cancer patients?
When most patients die of pancreatic cancer, they die of liver failure from their liver being taken over by tumor.
Vesta, Andy Stephenson was a poster on DU. He is now one of their sainted martyr's.
A brief retelling would go back to November 2004. Bush was re-elected much to the consternation of the DUmmies. Another member of DU began "an effort" to have the Ohio vote overturned with the phrase on DU that the elction could be "only $10 away from being overturned." To which the DUmmies broke their piggy banks to give to her scam. Andy Stephenson was an active participant in the scam until a falling out of some sort between thieves occured.
A very short time later, Andy Stephenson, who had ran for Secretary of Treasury, State of Washington, posted that his doctors had diagnosed him with cancer in his common vile duct. My note: This is notable because any doctor is going to have a Whipple procedure performed ASAP, like last week fast because this type of cancer spreads like wildfire and can kill very fast upon diagnosis. A few weeks later he mentioned that he could only have the procedure performed at John Hopkins and it would cost him aroun $50,000 dollars. These are both lies. He had hospitals near his house that could perform the procedure and the state of Washington would pick up the tab if he were truly indigent. Judging by his travel schedule, he was not indigent.
At the is point, SFexpat2000, who is now eferrari, started a fundraiser. Without providing a paypal account or setting up a non-profit for it. Which started alarm bells ringing all over the internet. At some point Wee willy Pitt had the thought that he might be looking at a scam penetrate the haze and posted it. This started a brief war between Pitt and the Andyites.
At some point, Andy Stephenson had a procedure, not a whipple, somewhere, not at John Hopkins. He started travelling again shortly after and wound up in another hospital where he died after contracting a Staph infection. There is no word on where any of the money went.
I was a poster on FR at the time but did not follow these events closely. Much of what I posted is what I researched from posts on the internet and talking openly and via private messages on DU. This is about as short as I can make it and include most of the relevant information.