The Conservative Cave
Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Skul on January 29, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
-
This is a must view.
Can't even begin to drag over comments.
If you have a couple minutes, go read.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002239093
Robb (34,069 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
An AP photographer named Beck Diefenbach has probably just ended the Occupy movement.
Last edited Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:42 PM USA/ET - Edit history (4)
Not officially, of course, and certainly not intentionally. And I of course might be wrong, Occupy may endure.
But I promise you, no one will think of Occupy the same way ever again after today's AP photos.
A woman pleads with Occupy Oakland protestors to not burn an American flag found inside Oakland City Hall during an Occupy Oakland protest, Saturday, January 28, 2012, in Oakland, Calif. Police were in the process of arresting about 100 Occupy protesters for failing to disperse Saturday night, hours after officers used tear gas on a rowdy group of demonstrators who threw rocks and flares at them and tore down fences. Photo: Beck Diefenbach / AP
Occupy Oakland protestors burn an American flag found inside Oakland City Hall during an Occupy Oakland protest on the steps of City Hall, Saturday, January 28, 2012, in Oakland, Calif. Photo: Beck Diefenbach / AP
An Oakland City police officer stomps out a burning American flag after Occupy Oakland protestors set City Hall's flag on fire during an Occupy Oakland protest, Saturday, Jan. 28, 2012, in Oakland, Calif. Photo: Beck Diefenbach / AP
Hopefully the photos worked that time. Apologies.
Edited again to add the photographer's website. He is quite good, and a quick guess is that he is sympathetic to Occupy, so please, no casting asparagus upon him. http://beckdiefenbach.com/editorial/
-
Starry Messenger (17,072 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
46. Do those "average people" live in Oakland?
The country has huge problems, record poverty and foreclosure. We are living OWS. If anyone has a flag hangup, I daresay they are still eating regular meals in their comfortable home.
It's okay to burn flags en masse if any little ol' woe strikes you now according to this DUmmy.
-
Next time they want to burn a flag, I say we help them do it up right. We steal a firetruck, load it with gas and hose the whole crowd down with gasoline right after the first sign of fire.
-
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:30 PM
chowder66
4. Are you referring to a splinter group?
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:33 PM
hughee99
9. The burning flag pictures?
Well, I'll say it before someone else does... I'll bet it was REALLY police infiltrators doing this and not occupiers.
No, I don't believe that's really the case, but it COULD be. Prove it's not.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:47 PM
Broderick
31. Lmao
Never fail to be so amused here with the ridiculous theories.
Response to hughee99 (Reply #9)Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:53 PM
markpkessinger
35. Wouldn't even have to be police . . .
. . . it could be any paid provocateur working on behalf of any one of the MANY parties who have an interest in discrediting OWS.
Response to hughee99 (Reply #9)Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:55 PM
JSnuffy
38. It's just dumb...
... like it is TOTALLY beyond the realm of possibility that anyone associated with OWS would burn/desecrate/disrespect the symbol of America.
I can't take people seriously who aren't even close to having a grasp of reality.
It's MIHOP and LIHOP at the OWS.
-
Yep and we're rollin, rollin on a river.
hughee99 (7,780 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. The burning flag pictures?
http://www.wggb.com/2012/01/29/oakland-to-assess-damage-after-occupy-protests/
Well, I'll say it before someone else does... I'll bet it was REALLY police infiltrators doing this and not occupiers.
No, I don't believe that's really the case, but it COULD be. Prove it's not.
De Nile, it's not just for Egyptians any more.
-
Yep and we're rollin, rollin on a river.
De Nile, it's not just for Egyptians any more.
They dammed the Nile...so Damn OWS.
-
markpkessinger Response to hughee99 (Reply #9)Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:53 PM
35. Wouldn't even have to be police . . .
. . . it could be any paid provocateur working on behalf of any one of the MANY parties who have an interest in discrediting OWS.
You greedy, filthy, lazy leeches do a perfectly acceptable job of discrediting your own selves.
Why would we need to send in anyone ?
-
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:33 PM
hughee99
9. The burning flag pictures?
Well, I'll say it before someone else does... I'll bet it was REALLY police infiltrators doing this and not occupiers.
No, I don't believe that's really the case, but it COULD be. Prove it's not.
You made the accusation, you prove that it wasn't one of your own, you intellectually and physically lazy bastard.
The rotten little ****ers can do the deed, but no, they can't take responsibility for it. It has to be someone else who's to blame.
Suck it numbnuts, your own kind did it, the pic is there for all to see, now accept that your movement is dead and your 15 ****ing minutes are up.
Disband, take a bath, get an education, work hard, and enjoy life, not envy the wealth that others have.
rant/off
-
I see where this stupid-assed idea came from... the mayor of Oakland.
She should be removed from office for being this dumb. Splinter-group, my rosy red ass.
(Reuters) (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/29/us-oakland-protests-idUSTRE80S00520120129) -- “Once again, a violent splinter group of the Occupy movement is engaging in violent actions against Oakland,†Mayor Jean Quan, who has come under criticism for the city’s handling of the Occupy movement, said at a late evening press conference.
-
I love the American Flag, and if anyone tried to burn it in front of me I'd hit them upside the head.
-
So we have a left-wing mayor, in a blue hellhole urban swamp, having to deal with the crazies that she's always pandered to.
As Sarah Imaboobi always says, "I just love Occupy!"
Incidentally, since the Occupoopers are wrecking the already-wrecked shithole Oakland, I wonder why we haven't heard from DUmmy Taverner.
He's always been a full-time downtown Oakland junkie. Maybe, as expected, he ODed off this mortal coil. If so, good.
-
Maybe, as expected, he ODed off this mortal coil. If so, good.
One can only hope.
-
When the occupoopers start burning korans in public, then I will be impressed.
-
I love the American Flag, and if anyone tried to burn it in front of me I'd hit them upside the head.
Naw... that's a ticket to jail for assault. Better thing to do is jump in and "help them" burn the flag... and if they happen to catch on fire demonstrating their free speech rights, well that's the way the cookie crumbles. It was an unfortunate accident.
:-) :-)
-
The occupoopers may be annoying, but we owe them thanks for becoming the new face of the democrat party.
Every time the occupoopers cause more disruptions and damage in their blue cesspool cities, the democrat party loses more votes.
They'll fade away, but let's hope it doesn't happen before the election.
It was deadbeats exactly like the occupoopers who put President Nixon over the top in 1968.
-
markpkessinger Response to hughee99 (Reply #9)Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:53 PM
35. Wouldn't even have to be police . . .
. . . it could be any paid provocateur working on behalf of any one of the MANY parties who have an interest in discrediting OWS.
Or it could be an OWSer posing as a paid provocateur posing as an OWSer to give OWS cover in case any of their group started acting up.
Hey, this is easy!
-
Naw... that's a ticket to jail for assault. Better thing to do is jump in and "help them" burn the flag... and if they happen to catch on fire demonstrating their free speech rights, well that's the way the cookie crumbles. It was an unfortunate accident.
:-) :-)
OK, I'll GENTLY, REAL GENTLY, SERIOUSLY GENTLY, LIKE REALLY REALLY GENTLY, AS GENTLY AS I POSSIBLY CAN, pat them on the head and say "good job". :-)
-
Naw... that's a ticket to jail for assault. Better thing to do is jump in and "help them" burn the flag... and if they happen to catch on fire demonstrating their free speech rights, well that's the way the cookie crumbles. It was an unfortunate accident.
:-) :-)
You think the judge would still believe that you were "Jus' tryin' to stomp out the flames" if you were wearing cleats ?
-
You think the judge would still believe that you were "Jus' tryin' to stomp out the flames" if you were wearing cleats ?
It could work. But for best results, make sure to use these.
(http://cache.planetnatural.com/planetnatural/images/large/lawn-aerator-sandals-lg.jpg)
-
You think the judge would still believe that you were "Jus' tryin' to stomp out the flames" if you were wearing cleats ?
Depends on the judge.
You get a limp-wristed, Haaavaaaard "educated", Supreme Court wannabe, YOU will be guilty before you entered the courtroom, especially if you told him you were a fan of Rush Limbaugh.
You get a former Vietnam vet who received a similar "welcome home" from his tour of duty, and hasn't forgotten about it, you're golden!
-
Depends on the judge.
You get a limp-wristed, Haaavaaaard "educated", Supreme Court wannabe, YOU will be guilty before you entered the courtroom, especially if you told him you were a fan of Rush Limbaugh.
You get a former Vietnam vet who received a similar "welcome home" from his tour of duty, and hasn't forgotten about it, you're golden!
Hey, there's going to be a big welcome home party for Vietnam vets and their families at the Charlotte Motor speedway in March...I've seen the TV ads for it but didn't catch much info on it....sounds like it's going to be a big deal...'bout damn time, huh.
-
When the occupoopers start burning korans in public, then I will be impressed.
That will never, ever happen, not a koran, no. I can see them burning Bibles in a heartbeat however and every DUmpmonkie will defend that.
-
(http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/10/33/17/2208750/9/628x471.jpg)
Is it just me , or does the guy holding the burning flag look like he could be a member of La Raza?
-
He's always been a full-time downtown Oakland junkie. Maybe, as expected, he ODed off this mortal coil. If so, good.
I think we'd notice the sudden spike in US productivity in the economic stats, so I'm guessing he's still around.
-
(http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/10/33/17/2208750/9/628x471.jpg)
Is it just me , or does the guy holding the burning flag look like he could be a member of La Raza?
Yep, you'd never see him do that to a Mexican flag, I'm sure.
-
Lurking libs! Occam's Razor is your friend.
-
it could be any paid provocateur working on behalf of any one of the MANY parties who have an interest in discrediting OWS.
I am starting to have a physical reaction every time I read this. I feel like punching someone. They keep repeating this back to each other. Aren't they sick of it? Don't they see how insane it sounds?
I agree with GOBUCKS here:
The occupoopers may be annoying, but we owe them thanks for becoming the new face of the democrat party.
Absolutely. Post those pics wherever you can. Show them to friends and neighbors. I may post one on the community board at Stewart's.
-
I am starting to have a physical reaction every time I read this. I feel like punching someone. They keep repeating this back to each other. Aren't they sick of it? Don't they see how insane it sounds?
I agree with GOBUCKS here:
Absolutely. Post those pics wherever you can. Show them to friends and neighbors. I may post one on the community board at Stewart's.
Karin, I cannot even begin to count the times I through my life have escaped arrest for bopping men on the head when they kept their hats on when our Flag was marched down the street. No one that knows me will take me to Nascar or a sporting event as they know when our National Anthem is played or sang any man wearing a cap will get a surprise from me.
To wittiness a American flag being set on fire is outside the realm of my understanding.
Have these people never buried a family member with a flag draped coffin and heard the words when the flag was presented to family, "A grateful nation"?
Perverted by greed and no loyalty to anyone, what do they care, their family will never hear these words about their family when they get shot down in the street for their actions.
It is a huge honor to serve the free world, and the ones that do may they live a long life are not forgotten. The Youth that give up their lives and future be it death or the terror of armed combat, all deserve a " Greatfull Nation"
Those born in the USA are blessed, the Flag to be burned is akin to someone killing their own family. America is family, to burn the Flag is to crap on the family that for the grace of God we were born into-------These idiots could have been born in Ethiopia or Kenya.
Symbols are powerful to the Human, besides the Cross, the symbol of freedom bought on the blood of others to give us the freedom to actually do this act of betrayal, speaks for itself.
Blame this on the Supreme Court that says it is OK and fine to desecrate in one way our country's symbol, Kill unborn baby's and darn next you know perfectally fine to use freedom of speech to set off bombs down town.
-
Karin, I cannot even begin to count the times I through my life have escaped arrest for bopping men on the head when they kept their hats on when our Flag was marched down the street. No one that knows me will take me to Nascar or a sporting event as they know when our National Anthem is played or sang any man wearing a cap will get a surprise from me.
To wittiness a American flag being set on fire is outside the realm of my understanding.
Have these people never buried a family member with a flag draped coffin and heard the words when the flag was presented to family, "A grateful nation"?
Perverted by greed and no loyalty to anyone, what do they care, their family will never hear these words about their family when they get shot down in the street for their actions.
It is a huge honor to serve the free world, and the ones that do may they live a long life are not forgotten. The Youth that give up their lives and future be it death or the terror of armed combat, all deserve a " Greatfull Nation"
Those born in the USA are blessed, the Flag to be burned is akin to someone killing their own family. America is family, to burn the Flag is to crap on the family that for the grace of God we were born into-------These idiots could have been born in Ethiopia or Kenya.
Symbols are powerful to the Human, besides the Cross, the symbol of freedom bought on the blood of others to give us the freedom to actually do this act of betrayal, speaks for itself.
Blame this on the Supreme Court that says it is OK and fine to desecrate in one way our country's symbol, Kill unborn baby's and darn next you know perfectally fine to use freedom of speech to set off bombs down town.
:clap:
That was pretty much the best post I've ever seen you make.
-
That was pretty much the best post I've ever seen you make.
You could tell her that without pasting in her whole post.
Her posts are painful even on the rare occasions when they're well-intended. I'd be greatfull.
-
You could tell her that without pasting in her whole post.
Her posts are painful even on the rare occasions when they're well-intended. I'd be greatfull.
Doesn't matter.
I'll give an H5 myself.
Xnks Vesta.
-
You could tell her that without pasting in her whole post.
Her posts are painful even on the rare occasions when they're well-intended. I'd be greatfull.
Credit where credit is due.
That was an excellent post.
-
It wasn't an Agent Provocateur
"He asked the crowd, 'What do you want us to do with the flag?'" Johnson recalled. "They said, 'Burn it! Burn it! Burn it!'"
As many egged on the bandanna-masked men, lighters were passed around. A photographer on assignment for The Associated Press said a woman rose from among the crowd to urge against the flag-burning. She then threw the flag to the ground and tried to put out the fire, shouting at them that it would only hurt their cause.
The fire-starter is not an anarchist, but a typical member of Occupy Oakland who feels the system has failed them, said Johnson, who pulled out his cellphone to show his recording of the flag-burning.
"I would describe him as someone who loves his country, but also disappointed in the system that's running this country," said Johnson, who goes by the nickname "Uncle Boom" and was a sergeant in the U.S. Army.
Read the whole thing:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/occupy-protest-rekindles-debate-about-flag-burning-1.3489116
New thread same topic. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002244604)
Last edited Mon Jan 30, 2012, 10:24 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)
there's no telling how deep the conspiracy goes.
Edit: bookmarking the link for further use. Thanks for posting.
Sid
Snark from sid?
BeFree
2. Yep
They were. But that still gives no call for the police rioting.
The police were, once again, wrong. They need to control themselves.
:mental: :mental:
-
:clap:
That was pretty much the best post I've ever seen you make.
Agreed, LC. H5 given to vesta.
-
This guy is talking to pintobean, the OPer:
rhett o rick (19,698 posts)
3. What is your agenda to shame Occupy? Why would you go to such lengths?
The fact that you are willing to push the right wing talking points makes me wonder how you quality to post on DU.
I believe in karma, and you will reap what you sow.
Dangerously unhinged. You lunatic, pintobean didn't "shame" Occupy. They did it to themselves.
pintobean (4,907 posts)
8. I posted a news article.
If you don't want the facts, don't read the ****ing thing. Better yet, put me on ignore. It's not up to you who gets to post here. I've been here 8 years and I don't appreciate your insult.
rhett o rick (19,698 posts)
13. So you wont tell us what your agenda is? Why you disparage OWS. Are you Sean Hannity? nm
EFerrari (159,314 posts)
5. Lmao. Your evidence is that this guy incited a crowd
and that someone there thought they knew him
lol. After that, she demands more evidence. Just like in the instance of the reporter being assaulted and raped by the Egyptian mob. She said, "that's just one story and unverified."