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Video appears to show troops urinating on corpses
Posted at 05:11 PM ET, 01/11/2012
Video appears to show troops urinating on corpses
By Craig Whitlock
The Marine Corps said Wednesday that it is investigating the origins of a video on the Internet that purports to show Marines in combat gear urinating on the corpses of three Taliban insurgents.
The brief video, which runs for less than a minute, began circulating on Web sites early Wednesday. It depicts four Marines laughing as they relieve themselves while standing over three prostrate bodies. (The video, which includes graphic images, appears here.)
A caption asserts that the Marines are part of a scout sniper team with the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, an infantry unit from Camp Lejeune, N.C. Members of the unit were deployed to Afghanistan last year but returned in September.
Capt. Kendra N. Hardesty, a Marine Corps spokesman, said officials would “fully investigate†the matter but so far have been unable to verify the video’s authenticity or if members of the battalion were involved.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/video-appears-to-show-troops-urinating-on-corpses/2012/01/11/gIQAywxhrP_blog.html
Sealclubber
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Im glad they did that. We actually froze the screen and got a nice screen shot of the Marines urinating on the Taliban insurgents. We then put a nice Microsoft Word frame around it and sent it to the plotter! It looks AWESOME blown up big!
If someone shoots at you, killing them and peeing on they're corpse is a great idea.
Crawl back into your hole liberals, most people approve of this behavior you detest. I showed this to about 15 people and they all said the same thing, "Good!"
Realize this, you are a minority in your beliefs. Less than 20% of our nation identifies as liberal. You are less than 2 out of 10 with your beliefs. FACT
Have a nice day!
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Piss on 'em.
They're trying to kill us, and I'm sure they wouldn't show our own corpses any more respect.
Piss on 'em.
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Ooops.
The primitive jury hid that one in a hurry.
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Ooops.
The primitive jury hid that one in a hurry.
That's why I caught it.
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That's why I caught it.
I'm getting all agog and excited to see what the primitive jury does with this comment; to delete it or to let it stand.
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waiting... :popcorn:
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waiting... :popcorn:
The poor guy was apparently escorted off Skins's island; the comment exists no more.
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That's why I caught it.
You know, sir, my attitude is this:
No one in my life has ever threatened to kill me, has ever been poised to kill me, and so I really don't know how I'd react to such a situation.
However, I strongly suspect that if such were to happen, and I managed to kill him first, I'd do a Hell of a lot more than piss on the corpse. It's a perfectly normal and understandable reaction.
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Too bad "sealclubber" had to write like such an illiterate ignoramus.
Makes me suspect a false flag troll.
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Too bad "sealclubber" had to write like such an illiterate ignoramus.
Makes me suspect a false flag troll.
Not so much idiots these Libs but people that have no conception of war outside the Gang Turf wars in the city.
It took us a while to win the Revolution fighting by their Gentlemans Napoleonic rules, only when we went to gorilla warfare or Indian tactics did we get our freedom.
Along came the civil war. Because both sides Generals had been educated in warfare using the Napoleonic rules, it became a massacre with of all things, File Closers. Only at the near end of that war did the fighters on both sides go back in time to gorilla fighting.
We know very little about actual war but what we read of or see on TV and the internet.
So let me get this straight now, the Liberals believe this is a game with strict rules, only on our side naturally. We cannot expect the enemy to follow any kind of rules-----Some even call the enemy" Freedom Fighters."
A shooting war has NO rules, it is man against man. There will be atrocities committed on both sides, looting, rape and indignities.
Where and how the Liberals came to the conclusion that it is fine and dandy to kill someone trying to kill them but the dead body should be treated in a dignified fashion, no cutting off of ears and never piss on people trying to kill you, WTF?????
I was a bit outraged when we years ago named a battle ship after Rammel the German desert fox, whose idea was it to grant homage to a past enemy that killed so many of our country men?????
We spend millions and billions of dollars a year training men and women to be ruthless in protecting our country, now it seems we must also instruct our warriors in the socially excepted ways of war.
What is conduct unbecoming an Officer, good conduct is to kill the enemy---Bad conduct is to disrespect the dead enemy ???
I still chafe at the burial at sea with all due respect to that evil man we sought for so long. Have we lost our minds to this extent????
Indians collected scalps from their enemy, some African tribes collect the pinus of their dead enemy, we at one time collected the ears of our enemys, so friggen what------War is not run by gentleman with a 8,000 mile away perspective on a war that they never experienced.
All is fair in love and WAR, and those Liberals that want to get involved need to be on site to make any claims, not in DC with a private securiety at beck and call and never had to life in a bunker for protection.
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To the muslim mind and way of thinking, only dead muslims get respect. Notice that they have destroyed all the christian graveyards in the middle east. SO, eat bacon, drink beer and piss on them.
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To the muslim mind and way of thinking, only dead muslims get respect. Notice that they have destroyed all the christian graveyards in the middle east. SO, eat bacon, drink beer and piss on them.
My deal is, I've always enjoyed the luxury of never having my life threatened.
However, there's many who haven't had that luxury, including nearly all those in military service.
So whatever someone wants to do with the corpse of someone who has just tried to kill one, is fine with me.
Tanker here slightly scolded me for saying nearly the same thing a few years ago, reminding me that military people are supposed to act in a professional manner; it's expected of them.
True.
But military people are people, too, with the normal human feelings and instincts.
While it's nice to know that both the American and British militaries have a long-standing, near-100%-compliance, with acting in a professional and dignified manner even while under the line of fire--and of course that sort of conduct needs encouraged--one has to allow for, and forgive, the occasional lapse.
Military people are people too, with the normal human feelings and instincts.
Several years later, I'm still pissed off at the treatment one of our own got during the height of the War for the Liberation of Iraq, when he was drummed out of the Marines (or somesuch penalty; I forget) for "losing it" in front of some terrorist who had just tried killing his men.
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The Council on Islamic-American Relations, a prominent Muslim civil rights and advocacy group based in Washington, quickly condemned the video.
"We condemn this apparent desecration of the dead as a violation of our nation's military regulations and of international laws of war prohibiting such disgusting and immoral actions," the group wrote in a letter faxed to Defence Secretary Leon Panetta.
Have we heard from them on the sawing off of American heads?
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To the muslim mind and way of thinking, only dead muslims get respect. Notice that they have destroyed all the christian graveyards in the middle east. SO, eat bacon, drink beer and piss on them.
bury them with a cross also.
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To the Muslim mind and way of thinking, only dead muslims get respect. Notice that they have destroyed all the christian graveyards in the middle east. SO, eat bacon, drink beer and piss on them.
I would agree with you except the Christians in that area may also follow the dietary laws of the Muslims-----7 day Adventists in America eat no pork. Not a good idea to have a pig picking in a Christian Cemetery.
Grave yards are small things compaired to Christian Churches full of living people that are fire bombed by Muslims.
Christianity is now outlawed in some places, this takes in the beliefs of anyone not Muslim.
Johnny, we fear rilling these people up, Muslims will go on the rampage and burn down their own towns when they feel their Prophet has been insulted. So we cause riots in some town in bum**** middle east, the inhabitants will do more damage to their lives then we can.
We are at WAR, why not push these people to the limit, use the psychological edge we have. Use their insane faith against them. We know their weaknesses, why not use that against them?
Dogs, snakes and hogs their worse nightmare. Could be interesting if instead of the dogs of war we trained small hogs to do the same.
Florida has a problem with the huge snakes, capture them alive and send 50 or so into a village where the terrorists are hiding. There must be plenty of rats in these places to feed them and cause chaos to the enemy.
To win a WAR one must work on the enemy's weakness, find their soft spot and attack it.
Most of Europe is afraid of the Muslims moving in, soon it will be America. Time to cut bait or fish my Lad, do we cower as Europe has or find a way to make America unfriendly to the invading hoards????
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Deep13 (34,888 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. Don't care. Already dead.
And the Taliban are the "bad guys" anyway.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.†-Hitchens
Every once in a while I read something from the DUmmies I can agree with.
Then this:
yardwork
14. Even in war, there are rules. This violates them. War crimes.
BigDemVoter (189 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. Unsavory, Disrespectful, Disgusting, Gross but . . . a War Crime?
Mmmmm. Ugly behavior, yes, but. . . aren't war crimes directed against the living?
^Mole/Troll I suspect.
yardwork (29,910 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. Not necessarily. Desecration of corpses can be a war crime. See this link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101423497
Oh, a link to to another post... must be true...
unionworks (1,474 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. Heard on NPR today
...that the dead "soldiers" were in fact Taliban. Sorry, no love here for men who throw acid on the faces of girls for attending school.
Troll for sure...
I knew when I heard this report last night I would be doing this :popcorn: today on DU.
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If it happened, it's an unsurprising bit of behavior, but an act of indiscipline that will have to be dealt with. Any form of corpse desecration (Or prisoner abuse by the poorly-supervised morons at Abu Ghraib) is a recruiting poster for the opposition in counterinsurgent warfare, which neutralizes ten good acts of building schools, treating the sick, protecting the weak, or feeding the hungry, because it makes us look like just a different gang of heavily-armed assholes instead of a better class of heavily-armed asshole.
It doesn't amaze me that Soldiers and Marines do stupid shit, what does amaze me is that there are still some of them stupid enough to think it's a good idea to take pictures or video of it.
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If it happened, it's an unsurprising bit of behavior, but an act of indiscipline that will have to be dealt with. Any form of corpse desecration (Or prisoner abuse by the poorly-supervised morons at Abu Ghraib) is a recruiting poster for the opposition in counterinsurgent warfare, which neutralizes ten good acts of building schools, treating the sick, protecting the weak, or feeding the hungry, because it makes us look like just a different gang of heavily-armed assholes instead of a better class of heavily-armed asshole.
It doesn't amaze me that Soldiers and Marines do stupid shit, what does amaze me is that there are still some of them stupid enough to think it's a good idea to take pictures or video of it.
+1, especially the bolded part. If you know you're about to break, or are in the process of breaking, the Law of Land Warfare, don't video it.
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I'd buy all of them as many beers as they could drink.
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I'd buy all of them as many beers as they could drink.
While it's all understandable, winking at something relatively harmless (To us, but definitely not to the local indigines) like this and blowing it off will quickly get completely out of control if the chain of command doesn't step on it hard now. They'll be lucky if they get out of this with just NJP.
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First of all, Kudos to MoshmasterD for saving that! :cheersmate:
I understand DAT's point, but I'm having a hard time working up outrage over this.
As for the DUmmies, what do you suppose they'd do with the dead bodies of GWB, or Dick Cheney?
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Haven't the muslims dragged American soldiers bodies through the streets, burned them and then hung them up for viewing?
According to Mohammed, burning is forbidden, that is left to Allah and the hell fire. The dead muslims were on fire and the Marines were just putting out the fire.
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They piss for me! I thank them.
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OORAH!!!! If it was my son I'd capture a freeze frame, print it out on photo paper and hang the damn thing on our family wall. Anyone asked me why I have that on my wall I'd tell 'em "See that Marine, with the biggest wanker? That's my baby peeing on the enemy!" God Bless the US Marine Corps!
Cindie
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I hope they ripped off their heads first, then pissed down their necks.
More good muzzies.
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Since the repeal of DADT what's wrong with a little golden shower fot the Tallibon(sic)? :bird:
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Two of the proud already identified and based at Lejuene. I will now refuse to watch the local news, cause that's gonna be all it's about
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Ok, da quando ho scoperto Vinnie The Dude fa riferimento questo thread per il suo sfogo inutile e senza senso assoluto, mi piace dire ..... Evviva evviva! Ora, cosa hai intenzione di fare, non dire ma, a tale proposito, Vinnie The Dude?!? Si attacco di cuore fingere succhiacazzi!
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Two of the proud already identified and based at Lejuene. I will now refuse to watch the local news, cause that's gonna be all it's about
I can hear it now, "....and today, in the yellow rain scandal, blah-blah-blah...."
Damn I miss the good old days when the local and national news were both just 15 minutes and it was on to "I Love Lucy", "The Jack Benny Show", etc., etc.....Or "The $64,000 Question" which now would have to be called the "The Six and One Half Million Dollar Guess?" because no answer can be considered wrong...might hurt the contestants feelings.
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I really don't get what the big deal is. It's war. Come on! Like they would give 2 shits about our dead soldiers. I am getting sick of this pc shit.
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Pissing on them is way more civilized that what the enemy does. Would love to see a video of them dumping pig shit on them even more.
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Pissing on them is way more civilized that what the enemy does. Would love to see a video of them dumping pig shit on them even more.
I just don't know what the deal is. They are the enemy. Who the **** cares what is done with them alive or dead? kill them.
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I really don't get what the big deal is. It's war. Come on! Like they would give 2 shits about our dead soldiers. I am getting sick of this pc shit.
Me too. Talked to my son last night and his reaction was "oh shit we're gonna have to go to extra pc etiquette & safety brief bullshit". He thinks it will die down. I'm not so sure given the current administration's utter contempt for the military.
Cindie
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I just don't know what the deal is. They are the enemy. Who the **** cares what is done with them alive or dead? kill them.
Don't be a dumbshit, every Muslim in the world cares about how troops from a non-Muslim country treat the dead, even the gangsta dead the locals are glad to be rid of. Shit like this is better Taliban recruiting material than the late unlamented drone victim could have written on his best day. That translates directly into more of our people getting killed by newly-recruited suicide bombers and suicidal small arms attacks. Morons too dim to think through the consequences of their actions will get more Americans killed in the long run, and undo years of positive working with the locals so some ****head could put up Rambo shit for his buds on YouTube, which (News flash for the mentally impaired) the Taliban views too.
Would you be uspset if cops in Memphis shot a bunch of gangbangers, then filmed themselves pissing on the bodies, and put it up on YouTube? How about just cutting off some ears, after all, it doesn't matter to the dead guys. Now reflect on how well that would go over if they weren't US cops, but Indonesian police here 'Helping' us.
Now that these dopes put it out in front of God and everybody, the command has the problem that publicly tolerating or condoning indiscipline like that is a rot that quickly leads to atrocities against the civilian population (Nits make lice, etc.), and any failure to deal with it seriously once it does blow up just enhances the enemy propaganda value even more. These fools put it out for the world to see, it's way too late to sweep it under the carpet or blow it off, they are going to have to deal with the consequences of their own very poor decisions.
The primitive thinking (Or lack thereo) on this, both Right and Left, is depressing to read. The DUers want to hang the troops out to dry whether they did anything or not just because they hate America, and way too many people on CC and CU don't understand Jack Shit about counterinsurgent war but just hate Muslims or love them some Marines no matter what ****headed thing individuals might do.
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Me too. Talked to my son last night and his reaction was "oh shit we're gonna have to go to extra pc etiquette & safety brief bullshit". He thinks it will die down. I'm not so sure given the current administration's utter contempt for the military.
Cindie
Still wondering if this is another 'koran in the toilet' thing. IE never happened.
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Still wondering if this is another 'koran in the toilet' thing. IE never happened.
Yeah, he thought that too, though they say they've identified the guy who filmed it. But it's not like this kind of thing is not without precedence. Look how the Haditha insurgents manufactured a scandal, videotaped it and then shopped around for a reporter with enough hatred for the military that he'd publish a story that showed the Marines in a blind rage hellbent on revenge and suffering from the ravages of war. This actually came out in one of the trials from the Intel officer.
Cindie
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Don't be a dumbshit, every Muslim in the world cares about how troops from a non-Muslim country treat the dead, even the gangsta dead the locals are glad to be rid of. Shit like this is better Taliban recruiting material than the late unlamented drone victim could have written on his best day. That translates directly into more of our people getting killed by newly-recruited suicide bombers and suicidal small arms attacks. Morons too dim to think through the consequences of their actions will get more Americans killed in the long run, and undo years of positive working with the locals so some ****head could put up Rambo shit for his buds on YouTube, which (News flash for the mentally impaired) the Taliban views too.
Would you be uspset if cops in Memphis shot a bunch of gangbangers, then filmed themselves pissing on the bodies, and put it up on YouTube? How about just cutting off some ears, after all, it doesn't matter to the dead guys. Now reflect on how well that would go over if they weren't US cops, but Indonesian police here 'Helping' us.
Now that these dopes put it out in front of God and everybody, the command has the problem that publicly tolerating or condoning indiscipline like that is a rot that quickly leads to atrocities against the civilian population (Nits make lice, etc.), and any failure to deal with it seriously once it does blow up just enhances the enemy propaganda value even more. These fools put it out for the world to see, it's way too late to sweep it under the carpet or blow it off, they are going to have to deal with the consequences of their own very poor decisions.
The primitive thinking (Or lack thereo) on this, both Right and Left, is depressing to read. The DUers want to hang the troops out to dry whether they did anything or not just because they hate America, and way too many people on CC and CU don't understand Jack Shit about counterinsurgent war but just hate Muslims or love them some Marines no matter what ****headed thing individuals might do.
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All that and then some more...
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The primitive thinking (Or lack thereo) on this, both Right and Left, is depressing to read. The DUers want to hang the troops out to dry whether they did anything or not just because they hate America, and way too many people on CC and CU don't understand Jack Shit about counterinsurgent war but just hate Muslims or love them some Marines no matter what ****headed thing individuals might do.
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Well, damn it, sir, you're right, but you're dealing with professional civilians here.
I always defer to your judgement on such things, because you're who you are, which is a great deal.
The guys shouldn't have filmed it, but if it'd been done sub rosa, without being recorded in some way, well, I'm cool with that. One expects professionalism from the military, but discounts for that the military's people too, with normal and usual people feelings and reactions.
But I always get tied up in knots, how the military expects to win a war when the other side doesn't play by the rules of decent and civilized warfare. As far as I know from history, the British in Malaya during the early 1950s were the only people who won guerrilla warfare fighting fair-and-square--but that was so long ago I learned it I forget how they did it.
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Well, damn it, sir, you're right, but you're dealing with professional civilians here.
I always defer to your judgement on such things, because you're who you are, which is a great deal.
The guys shouldn't have filmed it, but if it'd been done sub rosa, without being recorded in some way, well, I'm cool with that. One expects professionalism from the military, but discounts for that the military's people too, with normal and usual people feelings and reactions.
But I always get tied up in knots, how the military expects to win a war when the other side doesn't play by the rules of decent and civilized warfare. As far as I know from history, the British in Malaya during the early 1950s were the only people who won guerrilla warfare fighting fair-and-square--but that was so long ago I learned it I forget how they did it.
I don't know if the way we (the US) put down the Moro Rebellion in the Phillipines would be considered fair and square, but it was effective. I don't see why we don't go back to that.
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The Ranger weighs in on the subject. :rotf:
Some strong language.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyTVkD0w--E&feature=g-all-u&context=G2dab596FAAAAAAAABAA[/youtube]
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I don't care if the taliban comes here and offs gangbangers. I don't care if the pope shoots them and poops on their eyes. No matter what any American does at any time the muslims are going to be pissed about something and wanting to kill us. It doesn't matter if we are the most PC sensitive wussies on Earth. THEY JUST WANT US ALL TO DIE.