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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: shadeaux on November 07, 2011, 07:09:23 PM
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-07-11 07:56 PM
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My sexual harassment story:
I was working in a bar. I was 22 years old. One night as I was cleaning off a table, I leaned over to wipe the table and one of the guys sitting there reached up, grabbed my breast and twisted it hard. I dropped the rag and slapped him as hard as I could. I still remember seeing my hand print on his face.
The whole bar erupted. The band jumped off the stage, pulled the guy out of his chair and beat the shit out of him. (My boyfriend was in the band and they were kind of protective.)
The guy left in an ambulance and I pressed charges. Sexual assault. He pled guilty so I didn't have to testify.
Since then whenever women talk about sexual harassment I tell them to slap the shit out of the guy. That's what Anita Hill should have done and that's what these women Herman Cain harassed should have done. No I'm normally not a violent person but I had my hand on that man's face before I could even think. It was a gut reaction. But the best part is the feeling of empowerment it gave me. I have never worried since then about what I would do if I was harassed. I also don't worry about my personal safety. When I was 22 I weighed 98 lbs and was just over 5 feet tall. And I HURT a 200 pound man. Well me and the guys in the bar who beat the crap out of him.
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I've seen her picture. No way it looked any better when she was younger. Matter of fact, I'm shocked she ever had kids.
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That guy must have been wearing beer goggles an inch thick.
I've seen Anne's picture as well, and she is a severely homely lady, bless her black heart.
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No. 36 :-)
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A more likely story would be:
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-07-11 07:56 PM
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My sexual harassment story:
I was working in a (topless) bar. I was 22 years old.
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Sexual Harassment Panda gives this story two thumbs down.
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Oh Good Lord! the freaking sexual harassment stories, enough already you fools!
When I got out of HS I went to work for a few years before I went back to school, I was so naive, I was innocent, and I was working with Doctor's, I was working in the back office and a Doctor came in and grabbed me and starting kissing me on the mouth, he was like 90 freaking years old and it was kind of gross, I went to my Supervisor and told her what happened, she made sure when that Doctor came in that someone was in the back with me. I don't think I was sexually harassed, I just think this old guy was behaving like a guy. Another time I got on an elevator and another Doctor came on the elevator, he put his arms around me and tried to kiss me, I pushed him away and told him not to do that, and he never did again, I didn't feel harassed in that situation either, nor did I ever feel my job was in jeopardy when things like that happened.
Seriously, am I wrong to feel like I wasn't victimized or harassed at all? I just always had the attitude boys will be boys, is that wrong? is it wrong that I haven't harbored anger all these years over incidents like this? that I dealt with them and just moved on?
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Since then whenever women talk about sexual harassment I tell them to slap the shit out of the guy. That's what Anita Hill should have done and that's what these women Herman Cain harassed should have done.
And what should Juanita Broderick have done? why no mention of Clinton at all at DU?
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No. 36 :-)
Judging by that picture I am guessing she could suck a golf ball through tygone tubing. :fuelfire:
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Seriously, am I wrong to feel like I wasn't victimized or harassed at all? I just always had the attitude boys will be boys, is that wrong? is it wrong that I haven't harbored anger all these years over incidents like this? that I dealt with them and just moved on?
I suspect there aren't many normal men who haven't been guilty, at one time or another in their lives, of "unwanted sexual advances".
Those of us who bat a thousand are few and far between.
(That last comment was a bouncy, in case there's some confusion.)
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I suspect there aren't many normal men who haven't been guilty, at one time or another in their lives, of "unwanted sexual advances".
Those of us who bat a thousand are few and far between.
(That last comment was a bouncy, in case there's some confusion.)
I remember guys doing that in High School too, I haven't been damaged at all by it.
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It's very odd, all these "sexual harassment" bouncies coming from the primitives.
It's stirring up memories here.
I've always been an average-looking male, nothing in particular about myself (other than the absence of ears, but remember, that's skillfully disguised by my wearing my hair a little bit longer than what is fashionable for men).
Just your normal all-American-looking male, nothing special.
In the course of my life, I've been approached by all sorts of people--as I still am, but it's less of a problem than it used to be--in one way or another subtly suggesting we "do something" "together." At which I inwardly recoil in revulsion, but outwardly remain mellow, cool, nonchalant, polite.
Sexuality is a very personal thing, and I would just as soon be the selector rather than the selectee.
I always--inwardly--laugh in derision whenever hearing another guy and his story of being approached by another guy suggesting they "do something" "together." I've had those, but that's something easily handled with grace and class and aplomb, compared with something else.
There is a class of people, better than child molesters but worse than gay recruiters, who "get off" on the idea of having sex with a deformed person or a handicapped person. These people, female and male, are abominable; I don't even want to breath the same air they do.
I cannot possibly imagine, unless one has a really twisted mind, what jollies one can get from bouncing around in the sack with a person who has no ears, or with a deaf person. That appears to be the focus of their erotic fantasies, "making out" with a freak or a vulnerable person.
(I use the word "freak" for strictly descriptive purposes; one has to admit the absence of ears makes one look, uh, rather unusual--in no way do I consider myself that badly. I am not disparaging myself; I am simply describing an aspect of myself that is indisputable.)
There seems this notion that the deaf are "easy," and in fact it's not helped, not helped at all, with the conduct of my peers, which does more to verify it than to refute it. Add to that this preposterous notion that there's something "special" about having sex with a deaf person (our "vulnerability" seeming to be what attracts).
Yeah, right.
It's happened quite a bit, and while I can handle unsolicited advances from normal people with ease and good manners, no feelings hurt, I've never been able with good graces to spurn someone turned on by what I myself consider a great deformity (the absence of ears) or a potential life-threatening condition (deafness).
Why such things turn some people on, I have no idea.
To protect myself, it's necessary that I emit the impression of being coldly insolent when around such people, and I try very hard to give that impression, but according to normal women, apparently I instead radiate an "aura of wistful vulnerability" (the neighbor's wife's own words).
I don't even want to breath the same air as these creeps.
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Sexual Harassment Panda gives this story two thumbs down.
So does Pedobear.
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No. 36 :-)
Hell, thats the first thing she does before she heads to work indoctrinating the kids at school.
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Hell, thats the first thing she does before she heads to work indoctrinating the kids at school.
:lmao:
Now they're way out of control. A poll has been added:
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-07-11 09:05 PM
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Poll question: i have been sexually harassed, assault....
we have had threads that had stories on harassment. and i think they may be enlightening for some. but lets look at the numbers.
I'd be more enlightened if seabeyond learned to structure a proper sentence.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2260091&mesg_id=2260091
Where were all these "victims" when Clinton was making his nasty moves on whatever had female parts ?
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From that poll, seriously?
male, sexually harassed and assaulted (9 votes, 7%)
male, sexually harassed (13 votes, 9%)
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In a former workplace, a coworker had a sticker on his tool box. It was a large, black stallion rearing up...but at an angle that did not display his "underside" in any obvious way, if you know what I mean. When you looked at it, it was just a rearing horse, nothing else.
A worker from another department brought something down to be repaired and observed the horse on the toolbox. She filed a sexual harassment complaint because the word "stallion" was on the sticker, so it was obvious that the horse had "something under there" even if you couldn't actually see it. We took a picture of the toolbox and asked probably 50 people, no one else could see any problem with it at all...but the guy was forced to scrape the sticker off anyway. :mental:
Now I am sure that actual sexual harassment does happen. In my experience, however, I've seen it from women aimed at men far more than the other way around...possibly a result of working in a largely male department that deals with mostly female nurses. (Though we've had one instance of a male cross-dressing nurse that harassed a male coworker, also.) I've never seen anyone else actually file a complaint, ever. Anyone that's made it through high school has learned to deal with sexual harassment...
IMHO, most complaints are filed not to end actual harassment, but to gain power over someone you dislike.
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There is a woman's family who will be coming out with the story that Herman Cain was driving her home from a date and after pawing at her all night, she told him to stop. He wouldn't stop so she slapped him while he was driving and he drove off the bridge and into the water. She drowned while he ran home.
Oh wait, wrong politician.
True story: A couple of years ago, Herman Cain came to Austin to speak. My husband and I were so impressed with him that we waited around to speak to him afterwards and we did. I gave the man a hug and then my husband took our picture together. And he touched me.............on my shoulder! I think he was going for the boobiez. Where is that Gloria Allred when you need her?
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How the **** would these people face REAL harassment?
Further proof that when life gets too easy, you have to invent shit to make it seem harder.
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This woman claims she was harassed? so why did she go to a Tea Party event a month ago and had her picture taken with Cain?
http://www.suntimes.com/8592168-417/sneed-witness-says-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html
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From that poll, seriously?
male, sexually harassed and assaulted (9 votes, 7%)
male, sexually harassed (13 votes, 9%)
I'm not sure the definition of "sexual harassment" here; apparently I'm not jiving with the definition of it as perceived by decent and civilized people, and the quite different (and undoubtedly wrong) definition of as perceived by the primitives.
I consider "sexual harassment" to be anything involving having to spend time and energy warding off unsought and unwelcomed sexual advances; in other words, it can happen in casual social informal situations as well as in the formal workplace.
Am I near anybody's common ground on this, or way out in left field?
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"Herman Cain sexually harassed me and all I got was this lousy bumper sticker"
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I'm not sure the definition of "sexual harassment" here; apparently I'm not jiving with the definition of it as perceived by decent and civilized people, and the quite different (and undoubtedly wrong) definition of as perceived by the primitives.
I consider "sexual harassment" to be anything involving having to spend time and energy warding off unsought and unwelcomed sexual advances; in other words, it can happen in casual social informal situations as well as in the formal workplace.
Am I near anybody's common ground on this, or way out in left field?
My opinion of it is this, constant harassment after you tell the person to stop, and or your job is threatened if you don't go through with the act requested.
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In a former workplace, a coworker had a sticker on his tool box. It was a large, black stallion rearing up...but at an angle that did not display his "underside" in any obvious way, if you know what I mean. When you looked at it, it was just a rearing horse, nothing else.
A worker from another department brought something down to be repaired and observed the horse on the toolbox. She filed a sexual harassment complaint because the word "stallion" was on the sticker, so it was obvious that the horse had "something under there" even if you couldn't actually see it. We took a picture of the toolbox and asked probably 50 people, no one else could see any problem with it at all...but the guy was forced to scrape the sticker off anyway. :mental:
Now I am sure that actual sexual harassment does happen. In my experience, however, I've seen it from women aimed at men far more than the other way around...possibly a result of working in a largely male department that deals with mostly female nurses. (Though we've had one instance of a male cross-dressing nurse that harassed a male coworker, also.) I've never seen anyone else actually file a complaint, ever. Anyone that's made it through high school has learned to deal with sexual harassment...
IMHO, most complaints are filed not to end actual harassment, but to gain power over someone you dislike.
I have found that girls and woman who at a young age learn survival know how to work the men.
First they learn how to become Daddy's girls, then how to manipulate their male teachers in school and College.
Off they go into the work field and find to their surprise the world of the Male is nothing like they knew growing up. This new woman crying about Cain coming on to her is an example of the idiot woman out there.
First she makes arrangements to meet a married ex-boss to try to get her job back. She goes alone to meet a married man 2 states away. She tells him where she is staying in town and then thinks nothing about the upgrade from a room to a suite.
She meets this man alone in the hotel bar and leaves with him for dinner at a expensive restaurant, the man waits until they are in his car to ask what she wants from him. Her EX-boss has already told her he paid for her huge upgrade at her hotel, she now after all this time time tells him why she came to visit him.
Question, if she was on the up and up why not discuss her problem in a public bar at the git-go. She was looking for his help finding a job, whats with the having dinner away from the Hotel. Why leave the Hotel for dinner when the Hotel has 3 star dining.
Now this imbecile is surprised when the EX-boss puts a move on her. Fortunately for her she is taken back to her upgraded Hotel room with no problem, goes on to get very well paid work somewhere else.
This woman is a piece or work, who was setting up who.? Poor Cain, he walked into that one and distanced himself fast, until a decade later she decides to appear as little ignorant Miss Sunshine in the Lair of a big bad Wolfe.
Seems she set this up, calling a married man to meet her, wine and dine her then yell when the Male gets fed up with her and takes her back to her Hotel.
Hog Wash, she at what age expected him to be so overcome with her beauty that he lost his balls?
Men are men, she should know that, who wants a sissy for a boss or as president. Just what did she think was going to happen that day and night, ??????
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My opinion of it is this, constant harassment after you tell the person to stop, and or your job is threatened if you don't go through with the act requested.
Well, madam, that seems close to my own definition of it; it's not only job-related, and it's dealing with any sort of unwanted sexual advances that demands one's time and trouble and patience to end it.
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seriously, am I wrong to feel like I wasn't victimized or harassed at all? I just always had the attitude boys will be boys, is that wrong? is it wrong that I haven't harbored anger all these years over incidents like this? that I dealt with them and just moved on?
Nah...the whole thing is incredibly ambiguous. Culturally, men are expected to take the initiative, if they do that and guess right the woman is pleased and flattered. If they do that and the woman is not pleased, they don't get just snubbed or slapped, but accused of sexual harassment or sexual assault. Just another way our hyper-legalistic approach to things is unravelling the fabric of society.
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How the **** would these people face REAL harassment?
Further proof that when life gets too easy, you have to invent shit to make it seem harder.
So amazingly true, that it should be the motto of DU.
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If she was 98 lbs I doubt she had anything to "twist."
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I wasn't sexually harassed at any of my previous employers. If anyone would have been sexually harassed it would have been me. :-) :p
I was stalked by a customer when I worked at a grocery store when I was in high school though, can I join the club anyway?
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I'm not sure the definition of "sexual harassment" here; apparently I'm not jiving with the definition of it as perceived by decent and civilized people, and the quite different (and undoubtedly wrong) definition of as perceived by the primitives.
I consider "sexual harassment" to be anything involving having to spend time and energy warding off unsought and unwelcomed sexual advances; in other words, it can happen in casual social informal situations as well as in the formal workplace.
Am I near anybody's common ground on this, or way out in left field?
I'm with you on this one, frank. Even after reading through her 'harassment' on the first go through, I kept thinking, how is this anything other then some drunken guy at the bar pushing the envelope(like drunk men in bars will do) and then getting his ass handed to himself for it by the girl's boyfriend? To me sexual harassment denotes a working relationship, usually where the person harassing is in a position to influence the person's job in some way. There is no working relationship in this story; she was not harassed. If I were her, I would have slapped him, my guy would have kicked his ass, and he would have been thrown out the bar. She goes as far as to press charges? Seriously? This is nothing more then a bar patron with a few drinks(she probably served) in him who got cheeky and brave because of those few drinks(she likely served him). Kicking him out of the bar would have sufficed.
As for me, i give people the one chance rule. Everyone makes mistakes and steps in it sometimes. People are human--I'm not talking groping type of stuff, but comments that are inappropriate. When you realize it's unwelcome and you comply, we are square. I will never understand women who would scream harassment over ONE or TWO offhanded comments, an overheard joke, or because a guy they didn't like had the cajones to take the chance and ask them out. That woman deserves to never have intimacy with a man ever again, assuming they care to of course.
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I'm with you on this one, frank. Even after reading through her 'harassment' on the first go through, I kept thinking, how is this anything other then some drunken guy at the bar pushing the envelope(like drunk men in bars will do) and then getting his ass handed to himself for it by the girl's boyfriend? To me sexual harassment denotes a working relationship, usually where the person harassing is in a position to influence the person's job in some way. There is no working relationship in this story; she was not harassed. If I were her, I would have slapped him, my guy would have kicked his ass, and he would have been thrown out the bar. She goes as far as to press charges? Seriously? This is nothing more then a bar patron with a few drinks(she probably served) in him who got cheeky and brave because of those few drinks(she likely served him). Kicking him out of the bar would have sufficed.
As for me, i give people the one chance rule. Everyone makes mistakes and steps in it sometimes. People are human--I'm not talking groping type of stuff, but comments that are inappropriate. When you realize it's unwelcome and you comply, we are square. I will never understand women who would scream harassment over ONE or TWO offhanded comments, an overheard joke, or because a guy they didn't like had the cajones to take the chance and ask them out. That woman deserves to never have intimacy with a man ever again, assuming they care to of course.
And many a waitress will lead guys on or flirt with them for bigger tips.
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A more likely story would be:
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You forgot the last sentence. It should read:
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-07-11 07:56 PM
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My sexual harassment story:
I was working in a (topless) bar. I was 22 years old.
It was empty, as it always was whenever I was working.
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I really don't know what I would think if I walked into a strip club and saw Anne "dancing" (for lack of a better word) there.
I mean, witnessing that 300 pounds of sad hanging off the pole, I wouldn't know whether to scream in terror or laugh my ass off, but in the end, I'd probably have to bite my tongue because hey, her kids might be watching.
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In our sexual harassment training, they talked about how calling a female employee "sweetie" or "dear" could be construed as sexual harassment. One of my supervisors called me pet names like that on a regular basis, she was a female and it never bothered me in the least. She asked me after the training if she had ever offended me by calling me sweetheart, I told her no, and she said she was glad, but that she had better stop saying it anyways to make sure she didn't get in trouble.
At my first high school job one of the male employees was dancing near me once and he ground himself into my rear a bit. I told him I needed to go work somewhere else, and that was it. No mental scarring here.