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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: Gina on August 22, 2011, 12:18:40 PM
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So, I have lower back pain that is flaring up again from sitting at my desk I guess. I have lumbar scoliosis but it's not bad.
When I had my epidural with Victoria they did it so fast to get her out of me that I instantly had lower backpain around my tailbone. I was told it was because they bruised the "meat". Well it still friggin hurts and sitting all day in front of a computer is killing me.
Yesterday, my mom gave me a tramadol 50mgs. [[[insert angel's singing]]] I had no pain and hadn't felt like that in years. I made an appt for my GP next Tuesday to discuss it but wanted to know how to I approach something like asking for a med without seeming like a drug addict? And I didn't take a prescribed med to me?
Her percocets worked well also but I am sure he won't give me those. :bawl:
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So, I have lower back pain that is flaring up again from sitting at my desk I guess. I have lumbar scoliosis but it's not bad.
When I had my epidural with Victoria they did it so fast to get her out of me that I instantly had lower backpain around my tailbone. I was told it was because they bruised the "meat". Well it still friggin hurts and sitting all day in front of a computer is killing me.
Yesterday, my mom gave me a tramadol 50mgs. [[[insert angel's singing]]] I had no pain and hadn't felt like that in years. I made an appt for my GP next Tuesday to discuss it but wanted to know how to I approach something like asking for a med without seeming like a drug addict? And I didn't take a prescribed med to me?
Her percocets worked well also but I am sure he won't give me those. :bawl:
Bottom line is.....you don't. For any reasonably competent MD, asking for a specific opiate painkiller is what they are trained to recognize as "drug seeking behavior". A non-specific condition like "back pain" is a favorite used by drug abusers all the time.
I'd suggest that you go to your doctor......describe your symptoms, and let him/her make the decision. There are probably a number of alternate methods to treat your condition besides opiates.
Because the DEA is closely watching doctor's prescriptions for these meds, they are more and more unlikely to prexriibe them, even for patients where they would be beneficial.......blame the "war on (some) drugs"
doc
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I figured that. He has had me on flexeril and zanaflex. Flexeril does nothing, and zanaflex I take at night because it knocks me out and I can sleep. I can't take it during the day. So sick of hurting back there. Guess if I stayed off my back it would quit hurting eh? :panic:
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anyone ever go to a pain management dr? I am googling and seeing that as an alterative but what are they really about?
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My wife suffers from back pain. She takes flexeril before bed. It seems to help a bit. She also has been going to PT over the summer. That's been helping a bit, too. She's a nurse, and flipping patients gets a bit painful, apparently.
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anyone ever go to a pain management dr? I am googling and seeing that as an alternative but what are they really about?
I have.....for a compressed lumbar disk that is quite painful.
I walked in with my MRI in my hand, and after two intra-spinal corticosteroid injections, walked out pain free, and it's lasted for five years.......the guy was a magician........
I probably need to go back as I occasionally get a twinge......
doc
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I have.....for a compressed lumbar disk that is quite painful.
I walked in with my MRI in my hand, and after two intra-spinal corticosteroid injections, walked out pain free, and it's lasted for five years.......the guy was a magician........
I probably need to go back as I occasionally get a twinge......
doc
So if I go to my general practicioner next Tuesday, ask him for more like an mri? or send me to a pain clinic?
I just need relief. I am nauseas right now from the aching in my back. :censored:
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So if I go to my general practicioner next Tuesday, ask him for more like an mri? or send me to a pain clinic?
I just need relief. I am nauseas right now from the aching in my back. :censored:
That was the procedure that I followed.....I went to my GP, and he referred me to a specific doctor in the pain management practice (he said there are some that are better than others), and wrote me orders for an MRI to get done before I made the appointment for the pain clinic.
He also wrote me a script for some meds (non opiates, which didn't do much) as he advised that for the really good pain docs, you might have to wait for a while to get an appointment.
doc
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20,000 IUs of liquid vitamin D3 has alleviated my sciatica. The VA is using Vitamin D to treat chronic pain. (that's where I discovered this treatment) It seems to be working pretty well for me. (I've had TWO lower back surgeries, one a fusion.) I've actually tapered off now and I still feel pretty good. It takes a couple or three days before it starts really working.
Statistics have demonstrated that most people are deficient in Vitamin D to one extent or another.
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Gina, will sitting on a doughnut help? (I don't mean Krispy Kremes, dammit!)
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:lol: nah, it's a constant pain either sitting or standing. If I am walkiing it seems to alleviate it.
Thor......20k units? I thought 5k units was toxic?
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Dear Gina, I am sorry for your troubles. After 15 years of sitting doing some sort of data entry(banking or 3rd party insurance). One day I couldn't walk!! My dad took me to the er and they said it was muscle spasms...wtf?? I went to one dr and i got an Mri done(I was in MD at this time) and had a cortisone shot.(Eight years later) I am much more active at my job, i have twinges now and again. I don't know if vitamin d has anything to do with it, I forge on.
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lady at work mentioned that I want to look into a nerve block.....don't even know that what entails
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Gina I ggogled WebMD for you. here's a little information to get you started.
http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/nerve-block-for-pain-relief
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I know many of them are quacks but have you seen a chiropractor at all for this?
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I feel your pain, sista.
I have spondololysis/spondolothesis; SLIPPED VERTEBRAE. Just came out of nowhere and didn't gradually appear.
This causes sciatic pain in the nerves in spinal column and makes my butt and back hamstrings ache when sitting. My case is not severe enough for epidural shot for pain or surgery. It is structural problem that some ordinary chiropracter can't fix. I've had this crap for over a year and have been to physical therapy and have done stretches every day but without much luck.
This thing is weird because it mostly happens with teenage female gymnist and NFL lineman which I'm neither.
Many people have slipped vertebraes all their lives but never experience the painful symptoms. I am not so lucky. :mad:
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I'm so sorry you are going through this.
In April I just underwent my 2nd surgery to try to repair a disc that ruptured (L5-S1). Sooo much fun! I took the exact route that DOC is advising. There are some really great meds out there, but they mask the pain. There is still the underlying issue of whatever is causing the pain. I hope that your GP will move quickly to investigate the cause and they can easily fix it...unlike my GP who decided I was exhibiting "drug seeking behavior" until my MRI came back with the spinal cord actually moved out of place.
Best of luck! Also, might want to try either heat or cold packs (whichever works best for you) to alleviate some of the pain.
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I know many of them are quacks but have you seen a chiropractor at all for this?
No, because I have always heard from EVERYONE that even if they do relieve the pain you have to go and your kinda get addicted to going. I don't know. I might try it if my gp says to
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May I suggest PT with a therapist that knows what they are doing and really care about you. I say that cause I have a friend that is a PT and he has helped me more than all the surgons and pain Drs combined. I suffered 2 heriated discs, severe arthretic changes and a compression fracture, 2 surgerys and a body cast later I feel great as long as I am aware of my core in everything I do. After all that pain its not had to remember. You need to learn to be aware!
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Bottom line is.....you don't. For any reasonably competent MD, asking for a specific opiate painkiller is what they are trained to recognize as "drug seeking behavior". A non-specific condition like "back pain" is a favorite used by drug abusers all the time.
I'd suggest that you go to your doctor......describe your symptoms, and let him/her make the decision. There are probably a number of alternate methods to treat your condition besides opiates.
Because the DEA is closely watching doctor's prescriptions for these meds, they are more and more unlikely to prexriibe them, even for patients where they would be beneficial.......blame the "war on (some) drugs"
doc
Tramadol is a non-opioid. Asking for it is a non-issue. The PA's and doctors I've worked with in the past routinely authorize medics to prescribe it.
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No, because I have always heard from EVERYONE that even if they do relieve the pain you have to go and your kinda get addicted to going. I don't know. I might try it if my gp says to
Just recommended my Psychiatrist to friend who's pain had been worsened by his Chiropractor. I have had two problems, one lower, one upper. The lower was treated with PT, stretching and cortisone, the upper with trigger point injections, Osteopathic manipulation, and PT. For the upper problem I was also given a script for Skelaxin which seems to help when it is really bad and an IPB isn't enough. X-Ray and MRIs are pretty much a given.
Ask your GP for a referal. The office I go to has MD's DO's, PA's and an association with a local rehab facility. I have great insurance with a managable Co-pay of $15 for PT and $30 for Office stuff.
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I feel your pain, sista.
I have spondololysis/spondolothesis; SLIPPED VERTEBRAE. Just came out of nowhere and didn't gradually appear.
This causes sciatic pain in the nerves in spinal column and makes my butt and back hamstrings ache when sitting. My case is not severe enough for epidural shot for pain or surgery. It is structural problem that some ordinary chiropracter can't fix. I've had this crap for over a year and have been to physical therapy and have done stretches every day but without much luck.
This thing is weird because it mostly happens with teenage female gymnist and NFL lineman which I'm neither.
Many people have slipped vertebraes all their lives but never experience the painful symptoms. I am not so lucky. :mad:
Weird you mention this, yesterday I started having sciatic pain in my right butt/leg. It hurts like crazy. My husband took my car with him to Austin so he could get my plates so I'm driving his F-150 (Raptor) and I can barely get in and out of it with this dang sciatic pain. I also feel very small when I'm driving it.
Gina, no advice but there is nothing worse than back pain. :(
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I've had lower back pain on and off for decades. (Gotta love those Navy racks.) Last serious issue was one I had over the last couple of months starting Memorial Day weekend when I tried (and failed) to dig up several very large rocks out of yard. Low back pain to the point I couldn't roll over when I slept. I took all my Flexeril in about a week. They laughed at it.
I was eating Advil and Aleve like M&M's for over a month. Even the chiro would only help me for 2-3 days, and then I was at the point I was dreading driving to work, knowing it would take me 5 minutes to get out of the car.
Finally, the chiro had me do ultrasonic treatment. Oh. My. GOD. It was incredible. Two treatments. No more pain. I'm just about back to normal.
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Tell me more about the ultrasonic treatment
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Tell me more about the ultrasonic treatment
This is a better description than I could give:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/backpain/detail_backpain.htm
Ultrasound is a noninvasive therapy used to warm the body’s internal tissues, which causes muscles to relax. Sound waves pass through the skin and into the injured muscles and other soft tissues.
The deal is, even though I was using heat and ice alternately, it wasn't helping because it wasn't going deep enough. This ultrasound did go in deep enough, and I guess it's pretty apparent if there's a lot of inflammation still present. They put some gel on (just like a regular ultrasound) and then crank up the juice. It feels kind of like mild needle pricking, and it's not supposed to feel uncomfortable or painful (they told me to tell them if it did.) I got a couple of 15-20 minute treatments. The first one kept the pain at bay for a couple of weeks until the next treatment, and since then I've been to the chiropractor once in early August.
Some people think it doesn't help. I would disagree with them.
Little more information:
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/general/ultrasound.html
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:lol: nah, it's a constant pain either sitting or standing. If I am walkiing it seems to alleviate it.
Thor......20k units? I thought 5k units was toxic?
NO, 5000 IUs is safe. 20,000 is max recommended dosage, but even that's debateable. Ask BEG. Her Dr had her on some 50K, if I recall.
Toxic doses
What exactly constitutes a toxic dose of vitamin D has yet to be determined, though it is possible this amount may vary with the individual.
Published cases of toxicity, for which serum levels and dose are known, all involve intake of ≥ 40000 IU (1000 mcg) per day. 1 Two different cases involved intake of over 2,000,000 IU per day - both men survived.
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/what-is-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-toxicity/
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I got a dr's appt moved up to this afternoon at 4pm so I will let yall know. I really can't do anything "big" like the pain management until after Nov 29th when I get off probation at work. But maybe they will give me something that can make it tolerable to work.
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Here's how I finally got extended pain relief from almost 30 years of suffering with two herniated discs in my lower back - a home traction unit.
I went to five, count 'em five, pain docs and they all did injections and gave me hydrocodone. The injections wore off by the time I'd get home and the hydrocodone helped a little. The V.A. pushed for surgery which I refused. Finally, after my third round of physical therapy the therapist put in the paperwork for a home traction unit. My insurance company had spent a bundle on me by that time and plumping another $700 for the unit didn't seem to phase them.
This is a small portable unit that you put on a floor or bed and strap into. The two pieces you lie on gently open the spine while you control the action with a handheld air pump. I still use a little bit of hydrocodone now and then. As long as I use the unit when the acute pain starts and keep using it for a few days or weeks. I stores very easily and nothing like those old units that used to have to be attached to the end of a bed with water weights.
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hydrocodone is lortab isn't it? I took 2 of them this morning but they make me sick to my stomach. I am going to make sure I mention that. I hope my other dr can get my xrays/report to the new dr this afternoon so they don't think I am pulling this crap out my ass. :panic: wish me luck!
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Gina - after three to four years of pain, last November went in for the shots. They can give you three in the series over a one year period. Had x-rays and a scan, then they give you 'twi-light sleep' before injecting. In my case he injected in three different places with the first of the series. That was on a Wedsnesday, and as he said, I'd go home and sleep the rest of the day. Woke up Thursday Pain Free - first time in years. That first series is now starting to wear off, so I'll probably be heading in shortly for another round, this time without the trepidation of getting shots into the spine and surrounding areas. For me they worked, but others I have talked to didn't have the same luck, but before I go through surgery, that was the only step left.
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Gina - after three to four years of pain, last November went in for the shots. They can give you three in the series over a one year period. Had x-rays and a scan, then they give you 'twi-light sleep' before injecting. In my case he injected in three different places with the first of the series. That was on a Wedsnesday, and as he said, I'd go home and sleep the rest of the day. Woke up Thursday Pain Free - first time in years. That first series is now starting to wear off, so I'll probably be heading in shortly for another round, this time without the trepidation of getting shots into the spine and surrounding areas. For me they worked, but others I have talked to didn't have the same luck, but before I go through surgery, that was the only step left.
Yeah....as I mentioned up thread, my results were similar, although I didn't have the "twilight sleep" treatment......they just strapped me to a fluoroscopic table, gave me a couple of shots of lydocaine at the injection site, and went at it. Following the injections I was placed in a chair for 30 minutes, and walked out.
All back problems are different, and respond differently to various types of treatment.......however, my best friend is a neurosurgeon, and he cautioned me that unless you are nearly permanently disabled with chronic pain to resist the surgery option, as he advised that regardless of what the surgeon tells you, you can expect a less than 50% success rate, and the downside is that depending on the diagnosis, the surgery can frequently leave you worse off than you were before.
I have had mixed results with Chiropractic......it has worked for me in a couple of cases where I was experiencing non-back related problems.......my neurosurgeon friend (gasp) even recommended it for a neck issue that he had treated me for a number of years ago. Traction was the technique he recommended, however due to liability issues, few Chiropractors use it any more, I really had to look for one.......but it worked for me. In the process I was subjected to the ultrasound, infrared deep heat, roller bed, and other inquisition methods unsuccessfully.
doc
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I feel your pain, sista.
I have spondololysis/spondolothesis; SLIPPED VERTEBRAE. Just came out of nowhere and didn't gradually appear.
This causes sciatic pain in the nerves in spinal column and makes my butt and back hamstrings ache when sitting. My case is not severe enough for epidural shot for pain or surgery. It is structural problem that some ordinary chiropracter can't fix. I've had this crap for over a year and have been to physical therapy and have done stretches every day but without much luck.
Yeah, I have that; spondylolysthesis or however it's spelled. I had always had an unpredictable twinge from it, like a spear of pain right in the spine while just standing once in a very great while, but it always went away...until about 8 years ago and I went into a stretch where it laid me out like a felled tree.
Basically the muscle column along the spine was letting the vertebrae slip around too much at a highly-abused spot in the lumbar region which my misspent youth had probably caused, pinching a nerve. Son of a bitch, that hurt.
Though I was getting plenty of PT at the time, it wasn't really what my back needed because it didn't involve enough twisting and torsion to make the muscle column strong in the right way to support the damaged bones. After about eight weeks of physical therapy things got back to normal and I have been somewhat more cautious what I do with it since.
Oh, and for a couple of weeks I was on Percocet which didn't impress me at all, and then on Vicodin 'As needed' for a few months (Scrip plus one refill lasted me quite awhile). The Vicodin was very good for taking the edge off, you could still tell things hurt but it didn't matter nearly as much with it. Can't say I see the attraction of either one as an illegal drug, they didn't make me high, just made the pain not matter much.
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hydrocodone is lortab isn't it? I took 2 of them this morning but they make me sick to my stomach. I am going to make sure I mention that. I hope my other dr can get my xrays/report to the new dr this afternoon so they don't think I am pulling this crap out my ass. :panic: wish me luck!
Just looked at my eyes and my pupils are tiny :lmao: I hope this shit wears off before I go to the dr at 4pm
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Just looked at my eyes and my pupils are tiny :lmao: I hope this shit wears off before I go to the dr at 4pm
It takes about six hours.......but you DID say that you took two, and it further depends on what dosage (they come in 5, 7.5, and 10 mg)......assuming you didn't have a script for them, I wouldn't tell your doc that you took them.......
doc
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Not gonna :lmao: I am such a druggie :panic:
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No, because I have always heard from EVERYONE that even if they do relieve the pain you have to go and your kinda get addicted to going. I don't know. I might try it if my gp says to
I go at least 2 twice a month to my chiropractor for maintenance and that is down from 3 times a week. You might not get the quick pain relief you are looking for but a good chiropractor may be able to correct what has been causing the pain.
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All back problems are different, and respond differently to various types of treatment.......however, my best friend is a neurosurgeon, and he cautioned me that unless you are nearly permanently disabled with chronic pain to resist the surgery option, as he advised that regardless of what the surgeon tells you, you can expect a less than 50% success rate, and the downside is that depending on the diagnosis, the surgery can frequently leave you worse off than you were before.
doc
I can attest to this. My first low back surgery really didn't do much for me. My cervical spine (neck) surgery hasn't done much for me, to date. I DID have a second lower back surgery, a fusion, that DID help to some extent.
Anyways, I was left with chronic sciatica from my low back surgeries. I'm telling y'all that the liquid Vit D3 has eliminated 95% of that pain. I took 20,000 IUs (10 drops) every day for two weeks. By the end of the first week, I was pain free in my lower back. I've since tapered off and don't take it as nearly as often as I should. However, now, if I take a dose or two, I'm back pain free in my lower back.
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hydrocodone is lortab isn't it? I took 2 of them this morning but they make me sick to my stomach. I am going to make sure I mention that. I hope my other dr can get my xrays/report to the new dr this afternoon so they don't think I am pulling this crap out my ass. :panic: wish me luck!
Yep, it's known as Lortab or Vicodin or Norco depending on strength. A lot of people have stomach or other issues with it. I've never understood why someone would use it to get high since I've never felt anything other than pain relief from them. Everyone's body is different.
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Chiro made my neck worse. I know some people have great success with their treatments, but I wouldn't go back.
Make sure to tell your dr that this started in the hospital immediately after an epidural. He might also want you to see a neurologist....the needle could have hit something that it wasn't supposed to. :( Since the only stuff that seems to be working is pain meds rather than muscle relaxants, it may be neural rather than muscular.
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Here is my back they just xrayed and I have a mri scheduled for tomorrow.
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300915_10150266015285686_718405685_8368417_7907782_n.jpg)
I also got:
Percocet
Soma
Ultram
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eta: just noticed, good to know my iud is still in :lmao:
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I'll chime in with some advice too. My back pain was similar, nearly unbearable except when moving. What helped me was lots of walking. After some setbacks, I decided to stop doing any stretches until I got a lot better(pain free)it helped me. Stretches seemed to make it worse, walking kept me sufficiently loose, got blood flowing to the area. And never bend over, even to pick up a sheet of paper. I never felt as disheartened in my life as when I had low back pain, but I got better. I wish you well.
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Gina, Ultram is tramadol. You know that works for you, so there ya go.
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Here is my back they just xrayed and I have a mri scheduled for tomorrow.
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300915_10150266015285686_718405685_8368417_7907782_n.jpg)
eta: just noticed, good to know my iud is still in :lmao:
That's good, because I was wondering if butt plugs were back in vogue again..... :tongue: :fuelfire: :-)
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That's good, because I was wondering if butt plugs were back in vogue again..... :tongue: :fuelfire: :-)
Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!! IEDs!!!!!!!
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Ultram doesn't work on me. Like taking baby tylenol. I was given that for kidney stones.
Soma is very good. They make you feel like rubber for about 20 mins. but they work for hours without the feeling goofy and sleepy. That drug helped me pass MANY kidney stones, BIG ones. Highly addictive. The Dr. only gave enough and that's all.
Percocet gave me bad headaches when given for dental pain. Eat before you take it. Your stomach will do hollow flips all day if you don't.
Hydrocodone makes my eyeballs itch and makes my breathing slow down. But when you're in severe pain, like having 5 stones, you'll take anything. I don't care for that drug at all. It wipes you out.
Having little ones ain't easy and being high won't help. LOL, now if you were alone or had help, that would be okay. I do understand being in constant pain. If only they made a drug that helped without making you high, that would be great.
If you want to go pill and addiction free, ask if a tens unit will help. My husband swears by it.
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Gina, i know this is probably the last thing you wanna read, but your stomach has everything to do with supporting your back. I had back surgery at 18 years old, I had two herniated disks and was overweight. The surgery was successful, but my doctor told me, to lose the ten pounds and start exercising regularly...OI can totally relate how painful this is to you :(
Hold in your lower abdomen as tight as you can while sitting...This takes a bit of effort, but you'll see amazing results without pain killers. Sit up straight, tuck that tummy in...when it starts to bother you, get up and move around.
Delmar's correct, you must get the blood flowing to that area, it's being pinched. You can also ice that area, but never put heat on it, you'd only be aggravating that problem.
Once you've gotten some management over this pain you can start doing some aerobic classes, perhaps 3x a week that include a lot of abs...it's the best thing I ever did for myself...I hope this info helps you hon...
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thanks firechild.......I already suck that stomach in.....I like to look hawt.all.the.tome :naughty:
What is tens?
Took a soma only last night to see what it would do and don't know if it made me sleepy or I was just tired but I slept good that is until Victoria threw up at 3am.
This morning I have taken a percocet only because I was hurting really bad standing up and putting my makeup on. I know percocet won't make me sleepy, actually makes me pretty damn happy :hyper:
My goal is to be pain free and med free. I have been on so many meds for pregnancies over the last 10 years that I hate to even take an aspirin now. Sick of swallowing pills.
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http://www.tensunits.com/
My husband had numerous knee surgeries and shoulder surgery. He had his bone in his shoulder shaved. Very painful. Your bones are not forgiving.
After each surgery he got pain pills and a tens unit. The first day home, he refused the pills. He hated how they made him feel. That tens unit made the pain not only go away but helped in his recovery. He loved it. He nearly cried when they took it back. Insurance pays to rent it. It's expensive to buy.
Ask your Dr. about it.
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Thanks! waiting to call the dr. It appears they have to get pre-authorization for this mri and they didn't :hammer:
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Good luck on that MRI Gina. I was lookin' at that 10's unit; pretty awesome, but not as fun as the percs lol :naughty:
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anyone know how soon I will know the results from a mri?
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anyone know how soon I will know the results from a mri?
If your doctor ordered them STAT, it should be within a day and maybe the same day. But certainly within 3 days, at least hereabouts.
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Weird you mention this, yesterday I started having sciatic pain in my right butt/leg. It hurts like crazy. My husband took my car with him to Austin so he could get my plates so I'm driving his F-150 (Raptor) and I can barely get in and out of it with this dang sciatic pain. I also feel very small when I'm driving it.
Gina, no advice but there is nothing worse than back pain. :(
BEG, have it checked by an ortho doctor. I had xrays and MRI to properly diagnose it.
Like I said earlier, many people have slipped vertebrae all their life but never have symptoms; I'm one of the unlucky ones. :(
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Gina, you should have the results immediately after the MRI. If they don't give you a CD before you leave, ask for one. I've got copies of all of my MRIs I've had done (Knees, ankles, brain & a complete spine MRI)
and, YES, I DO have a brain!!
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Gina, you should have the results immediately after the MRI. If they don't give you a CD before you leave, ask for one. I've got copies of all of my MRIs I've had done (Knees, ankles, brain & a complete spine MRI)
and, YES, I DO have a brain!!
I got mine immediately thereafter, too. But they must be labeled STAT by the doctor.
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I got mine immediately thereafter, too. But they must be labeled STAT by the doctor.
Not necessarily. Mine weren't. In fact, a couple of times, they gave me a CD to take to my Dr. I took it home and copied it to my PC.
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Ok......
So......
I took 1 percocet at 5am and it completely took away the pain
started hurting again at 8am and took 2 ultrams and that stopped the pain
starting to hurt again at 12pm and took 1 soma just now.
Am I overdoing it? They say as needed for pain but crap that is a lot of meds
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Yes, that is a lot of meds. You need to get to a doc and get a real, one- or two-drug scrip and stick to it. Drug interactions can be pretty ugly.
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Yes, that is a lot of meds. You need to get to a doc and get a real, one- or two-drug scrip and stick to it. Drug interactions can be pretty ugly.
That is what my dr gave me yesterday. I am following the instructions on the bottle. :bawl:
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Three different kinds? That seems excessive.
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That is what my dr gave me yesterday. I am following the instructions on the bottle. :bawl:
Well.....Not an MD (nor do I play one on TV) but judging from the meds he gave you, I suspect that the different drugs are for differing levels of pain. I would not take the same or a different pain med in under a four hour period.
According to my trusty PDR, I don't see any interaction potential between them, but taking them simultaneously (or nearly so) could produce undesirable side effects (the most notable appears to be breathing difficulty and vertigo).
Didn't your doctor give you specific instructions on the application of each of your meds?
doc
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Sorry, Gina, I thought you were still using stuff second-handed from family members. Your doc may also be exploring what works best for you, so don't be shy (Hah!) about giving feedback on the effectiveness of each of them for you at your next appointment.
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Oh yes....
the percocet was for extreme pain or breakthrough pain. (take 1 tablet 2x per day as needed for pain)
The ultram is to be taken every 8 hours or as needed for pain
The soma says take 1 2x daily as needed for muscle spasm
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Sorry, Gina, I thought you were still using stuff second-handed from family members. Your doc may also be exploring what works best for you, so don't be shy (Hah!) about giving feedback on the effectiveness of each of them for you at your next appointment.
Yeh, I have been writing down the times and the pain level. Right now that soma ain't doing shit and I am wanting to take another percocet but I am going to hold off until right before my mri. I was told I would have to lay in that thing for 45 minutes flat on my back and that will hurt bad plus I am claustrophobic so this should be fun :lmao:
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Not necessarily. Mine weren't. In fact, a couple of times, they gave me a CD to take to my Dr. I took it home and copied it to my PC.
Maybe it depends on the size of the hospital. I dunno. ::)
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Hope my liver lives after this :panic:
about the cd, they said they would be giving me one to take home if I wanted it
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I am terrified of back surgery. I don't know why. I have had 3 c/s's and those are walks in the park but back surgery seems sooooo serious.
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Right now that soma ain't doing shit and I am wanting to take another percocet but I am going to hold off until right before my mri.
Sounds like a good plan.
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I need a back rub :naughty:
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I had two -two hour sessions in the tube. My Dr. gave me some Xanax because I'm claustrophobic. The first place has a smaller MRI tube. That REALLY sucked. I could barely move and was even "squished" at times. I found another place, where I had a second MRI of my neck done that has a little bit larger tube. One thing that also helped was a washcloth over my eyes. They will give you those sleeping masks for your eyes, if you ask for one. that worked, too. Bear in mind, I'm a fairly large guy, as Eupher, Schadie or Mike220 can attest.
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I had two -two hour sessions in the tube. My Dr. gave me some Xanax because I'm claustrophobic. The first place has a smaller MRI tube. That REALLY sucked. I could barely move and was even "squished" at times. I found another place, where I had a second MRI of my neck done that has a little bit larger tube. One thing that also helped was a washcloth over my eyes. They will give you those sleeping masks for your eyes, if you ask for one. that worked, too. Bear in mind, I'm a fairly large guy, as Eupher, Schadie or Mike220 can attest.
I hate the tubes, particularly the small ones. And I barely fit into the small ones. :whatever: :wink: For my last one in February when I was hospitalized, it was a large tube, and they gave me some earphones to listen to some music - whatever kind of music I chose.
I have an abdominal ultrasound coming up sometime in October, but I didn't make the appointment yet.
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Ultrasounds are easy. They just a little thing over where they're scanning. The worst part is the conductive gel they use. No tubes to squeeze into, just lay on a hospital bed.
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I'm a fairly large guy, as Eupher, Schadie or Mike220 can attest.
I knew ya'll were close but not that close :naughty:
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Yeh, I have been writing down the times and the pain level. Right now that soma ain't doing shit and I am wanting to take another percocet but I am going to hold off until right before my mri. I was told I would have to lay in that thing for 45 minutes flat on my back and that will hurt bad plus I am claustrophobic so this should be fun :lmao:
When I was pregnant with my last child they wanted to do an MRI to see if my disease (takayasu Arteritis) had progressed during the pregnancy. I have never had an issue with MRI's before or after but that time I couldn't lay flat on my back. It hurt so bad. They waited a couple of weeks then tried it again, this time no pain. They determined that the baby was laying on a nerve. I have no issue with claustrophobia.
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Ultrasounds are easy. They just a little thing over where they're scanning. The worst part is the conductive gel they use. No tubes to squeeze into, just lay on a hospital bed.
Yeah, I know. I had them before. I HATE the messy gel; when it's over, I have to go home and take a shower.
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I knew ya'll were close but not that close :naughty:
So how close do ya need? :lol: :-* :lmao:
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Only had one MRI....it was on my head & neck. They packed foam rubber around my head to keep me from moving it, strapped me down, and laid a heavy protective mat over me from shoulders to knees.
Yes, I did tell them I was claustrophobic.
They got me half way in before me screaming at them to get me out finally made them bring me back out.
Shot me up with valium and sent me back in.
I didn't give a flip I was so stoned. :stoner:
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They are calling to see if I can get the MRI now because apparently iuds heat up during the procedue
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I am terrified of back surgery. I don't know why. I have had 3 c/s's and those are walks in the park but back surgery seems sooooo serious.
I can identify! Only two c-sections, and now two back surgeries. So much depends on what your diagnosis is as to whether this is something that can be handled non-invasively via meds, 10s unit, or PT or if surgery is necessary. For me, I began having neuropathy (sp?) in my right leg and it became a question of whether or not I wanted to continue walking. Unfortunately, the first surgery was not successful, as the disc re-ruptured.
I wish you the best of luck! If you are not totally comfortable with the surgeon they send you to, don't be at all shy of asking for a second opinion. Better to feel safe
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had the mri done and got the disc but I can't tell shit from shinolah what is going on.........apparently I am not a liberal since they saw a spine! :rimshot:
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They are calling to see if I can get the MRI now because apparently iuds heat up during the procedue
When they did my skull MRI they had to check my eyes for metal (I had been a machinist).
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I knew ya'll were close but not that close :naughty:
Well, we don't swap spit, if that means anything...... :-)
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I knew ya'll were close but not that close :naughty:
First of all, it's "y'all". Secondly, as Eupher stated, we aren't THAT close. However, he and the others have met me.
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First of all, it's "y'all". Secondly, as Eupher stated, we aren't THAT close. However, he and the others have met me.
not whar I iz frum :bird:
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who knows how to look at a mri?
I want to send my pics to you via email and tell me if you see anything
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not whar I iz frum :bird:
Of course, :thatsright: I forgot that you are from Tennessee......... (One step above W. Va.)
BTW, is that a threat or a promise?? :fuelfire: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Of course, :thatsright: I forgot that you are from Tennessee......... (One step above W. Va.)
:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
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who knows how to look at a mri?
I want to send my pics to you via email and tell me if you see anything
I might be able to send it to my neurosurgeon friend......I just emailed him and asked him if he would look at it.
How large is the file?
doc
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:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
But Deb, you're NOT from Tennessee.......... (Although you do live pretty close to W Va.) :fuelfire: :fuelfire: :tongue: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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I might be able to send it to my neurosurgeon friend......I just emailed him and asked him if he would look at it.
How large is the file?
doc
I don't know. They gave me a cd that has a start.exe program and when I open that up I can zoom all around in it. I just can't figure out how to email that to someone. :panic:
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Gina, I told you, you need to make an "image" of that cd. Then you can send it all over. Image Burn is free and will do what needs to be done. The other thing you could do is open it to view all files, select all, and then compress and email. That MIGHT work.
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:panic: he speekin chineez :panic:
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Couldn't she email the program?
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Couldn't she email the program?
The image with the program to read it is likely gigantic, and would take forever to download. Needs to be converted to a simple .jpg file, and then compressed.
Gina, from the "Start" menu, select explore (rightclick on start).....with the disk in the drive, then click on the CD drive in the tree and see how much data is on the disk.
doc
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The image with the program to read it is likely gigantic, and would take forever to download. Needs to be converted to a simple .jpg file, and then compressed.
doc
Didn't know that. :confused:
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seriously getting miffed that I haven't heard anything yet :mad:
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seriously getting miffed that I haven't heard anything yet :mad:
Pick up the phone and demand the results. Don't wait; this is Friday, and no one will even get back to you until Monday at the earliest.
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Pick up the phone and demand the results. Don't wait; this is Friday, and no one will even get back to you until Monday at the earliest.
I have called once yesterday and once today. No return phone calls so I called and talked with the receptionist and she said that if they find nothing wrong with my mri I will get a letter. I told her "Look lady, I am in pain now. I better not get a damn letter in the mail" :hammer:
I know this doctor can't help me. I just want them to hurry up and refer me to an orthopedic dr or something.
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Back and neck are giving me fits today. On my second IPB. But it is still better than the altenatives. I can't wait to get a chance to lay down flat for a bit but I have a trades person due.
Any word yet Gina?
ETA : AH just saw your post and my guy just showed up. TTFN
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I have called once yesterday and once today. No return phone calls so I called and talked with the receptionist and she said that if they find nothing wrong with my mri I will get a letter. I told her "Look lady, I am in pain now. I better not get a damn letter in the mail" :hammer:
I know this doctor can't help me. I just want them to hurry up and refer me to an orthopedic dr or something.
she said that if they find nothing wrong with my mri I will get a letter.
IF???? THEY??? Not acceptable, Gina. It's YOUR record and YOU can demand that "they" respond to you.
If you knew the doctor can't help you, why did you go to him/her?
RELATED: People are cowed by being in the hospital inpatient or for tests. They have to remember that it's the most expensive Holiday Inn they'll ever be in, and that if they are unhappy with their treatment or the staff, they can demand another doctor and bitch loud and long about the staff before demanding to speak to the supervisor.
Of course, there's always walking out the door AMA. I tried that once back in the 1980s and was told I couldn't do it. I said, "Watch this! As I leave, all you'll see is my ass and 2 elbows as I get into the elevator!" I got treatment THAT day!
:killemall:
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IF???? THEY??? Not acceptable, Gina. It's YOUR record and YOU can demand that "they" respond to you.
If you knew the doctor can't help you, why did you go to him/her?
RELATED: People are cowed by being in the hospital inpatient or for tests. They have to remember that it's the most expensive Holiday Inn they'll ever be in, and that if they are unhappy with their treatment or the staff, they can demand another doctor and bitch loud and long about the staff before demanding to speak to the supervisor.
Of course, there's always walking out the door AMA. I tried that once back in the 1980s and was told I couldn't do it. I said, "Watch this! As I leave, all you'll see is my ass and 2 elbows as I get into the elevator!" I got treatment THAT day!
:killemall:
because doctors here say you have to have a referral from your gp to get an appt with them
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because doctors here say you have to have a referral from your gp to get an appt with them
Would that have been difficult?
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I've never had a problem getting a referral from a GP.
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I've never had a problem getting a referral from a GP.
Nor have I. Sometimes even over the phone. But different states have different regulations.
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MY EYES! MY EYES!!!!!! :argh:
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:lmao: I wonder if the officer taking that mugshot kept saying "look into the camera" :lmao:
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Nor have I. Sometimes even over the phone. But different states have different regulations.
Also depends on the insurance provider. Unless insurance policy specifically says that one has the right to go to any doctor for any reason - if one goes to a specialist without first getting a referral from primary care physician, insurance won't pay. They can also get out of paying if you go to a specialist then go back and get the referral from the primary care doc.
Health insurance is cheaper (at least individual is, so I would assume group is too) if there is a "gate-keeper" clause in it. It used to be that an internist or ob-gyn could be a gatekeeper, but I've heard that many policies have switched to requiring a GP or Family Practioner to be the gatekeeper, as their basic fees are usually less than in internist or ob-gyn. (you learn a whole lot about health insurance when you have to get it on your own, usually the hard (expensive) way. :banghead: :mad: :censored: )
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Also depends on the insurance provider.
Our insurance allow us to visit any doctor, any time. Some specialists might require a referral, however.
Who knows what'll happen whey my wife retires in November?
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Our insurance allow us to visit any doctor, any time. Some specialists might require a referral, however.
Who knows what'll happen whey my wife retires in November?
Will depend on if she gets to keep the current insurance in place as her retirement insurance.
When I was at Talbot's, I had fabulous insurance. When I left, I was able to get COBRA with the exact same terms for 18 months.
I got Golden Rule (it's called something else now) after my divorce until I went to work for Talbot's. As much as I was paying for that crap, I found out the hard way, what a bad policy it was when I had to have a partial hysterectomy. AFTER the surgery! It only covered 50% AFTER my deductible, and I spent 4.5 days in the hospital. :censored: I was really lucky that my Gyn happened to file first, and that he gave me professional courtesy even though I was divorced. His bill covered my deductible, so I only (only ::) ) had to pay half of the hospital and anaethesia bills, which was bad enough. I learned to be very careful to read ALL the small print on insurance policies after that.
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Lord Deb........I had Golden Rule when I was not working. Thank Gawd none of this crap happened then.
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Here is my back they just xrayed and I have a mri scheduled for tomorrow.
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300915_10150266015285686_718405685_8368417_7907782_n.jpg)
I also got:
Percocet
Soma
Ultram
:stoner:
eta: just noticed, good to know my iud is still in :lmao:
Someone tell me how with an xray like that I can have a normal mri?
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Depends on who it was that said it was "normal".
Was it an orthopedic surgeon? A neurologist? A radiologist? A gp? The mri tech?
I'd only be wantin' the opinion of an orthopedic surgeon.
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Were you standing for the X-ray? Normally the ortho wants that so he can see how the spine aligns under load. But you would have been laid out on the table for an MRI. It does make a difference.
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Were you standing for the X-ray? Normally the ortho wants that so he can see how the spine aligns under load. But you would have been laid out on the table for an MRI. It does make a difference.
I was laying flat on my back for both the mri and the xray.
This was from a general doctor, a md.
I am going to see them tomorrow and I am going to ask for a referral to an orthopedic doctor.
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I was laying flat on my back for both the mri and the xray.
This was from a general doctor, a md.
I am going to see them tomorrow and I am going to ask for a referral to an orthopedic doctor.
Yeah, you definitely need to see an ortho.
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Orthopaedic Doctors are the BEST, IMO. Neurosurgeons?? Meh, not so good. (At least in my experience)
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have an appt at 4:15pm.
I have been doing this for pain and it is working very well. I hope they let me keep up the regimen
5am - 1 percocet
11am - 1 ultram
4pm - 1 percocet
It has been keeping my pain at bay and I have felt so good.
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have an appt at 4:15pm.
I have been doing this for pain and it is working very well. I hope they let me keep up the regimen
5am - 1 percocet
11am - 1 ultram
4pm - 1 percocet
It has been keeping my pain at bay and I have felt so good.
Yeah, percocets will do that for ya. Wheeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OK.
So tell me what you think.
The FNP said the mri doctor said that my scoliosis is not causing my back pain. I am in no pain. I told her that is not right and asked to be referred to an orthopedic dr and she said she would. But how can a md say from an mri that I am not in pain?
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There is NO WAY a doctor (or anyone else) can tell from an x-ray or MRI if you are/are not in pain. That is totally subjective to the patient. Very rude and disrespectful toward you! Question: was your MRI with or without contrast? The first MRI I had following my disc rupturing showed "everything within normal limits." Thank God I had a good neurosurgeon who requested a new MRI with die contrast. The mess in my lower back showed up beautifully on that one. Hopefully you will get into the ortho quickly and he will either be able to tell you something or refer you for further tests to found out what is causing your pain.
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There is NO WAY a doctor (or anyone else) can tell from an x-ray or MRI if you are/are not in pain. That is totally subjective to the patient. Very rude and disrespectful toward you! Question: was your MRI with or without contrast? The first MRI I had following my disc rupturing showed "everything within normal limits." Thank God I had a good neurosurgeon who requested a new MRI with die contrast. The mess in my lower back showed up beautifully on that one. Hopefully you will get into the ortho quickly and he will either be able to tell you something or refer you for further tests to found out what is causing your pain.
Thank you! I am about ready to cry right now just because she made me feel like I was faking every bit of it. I know there is a very fine line that you have to walk not to look like a druggie but crap. I just don't want to hurt. I can't miss work at all because I am on probation.
I hope I do get to see the ortho doctor soon. I just wonder if he will figure it out.
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the cd I got says "SPINE^LUMBAR WO CONTRAST"
So is that meaning without contrast?
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the cd I got says "SPINE^LUMBAR WO CONTRAST"
So is that meaning without contrast?
Yes it does...I am so sorry you are in so much pain dearest Gina!!! Hope you get relief soon
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Dang girl! This is all going to work out hon. Sorry you're hurting. Sometimes you just have to keep asking questions and holding the docs accountable before someone finally listens.
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It took me several hoops to jump through before I got some of my issues resolved and/or discovered. A GOOD MD would have done w & w/o contrast. It ultimately took me to find a good Neurologist that did a brain and full spine scan. Looking at what I saw, you SHOULDN'T have been in pain, HOWEVER, as cmypay stated, NOBODY can tell you whether or not you're in pain. Also, it's entirely possible that your pain is originating from a higher level. (Thoracic or Cervical Spine) Without a full spine MRI w/ contrast, there's no way to really tell. Frikkin Doctors these days....
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It took me several hoops to jump through before I got some of my issues resolved and/or discovered. A GOOD MD would have done w & w/o contrast. It ultimately took me to find a good Neurologist that did a brain and full spine scan. Looking at what I saw, you SHOULDN'T have been in pain, HOWEVER, as cmypay stated, NOBODY can tell you whether or not you're in pain. Also, it's entirely possible that your pain is originating from a higher level. (Thoracic or Cervical Spine) Without a full spine MRI w/ contrast, there's no way to really tell. Frikkin Doctors these days....
so will an orthopedic dr be my best next step or a neurologist?
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so will an orthopedic dr be my best next step or a neurologist?
I went through two orthopaedic surgeons before I got to the neurologist. The second Orthpaedic surgeon noticed something missed by countless Doctors.
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Ever see "Joe and the Volcano" ...? Don't shrink at asking for a second opinion from a different doc if you're not being helped or get drastic treatment recommendations.
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Great advice, don't you think?
When I first had an MRI on my back pain, the pcp relied on the radiologist report. He didn't even see the MRI itself, the report didn't say I had broken facets. Nevertheless, the pcp continued to prescribe vicodin for me. I took the same MRI (got a copy on a disc) and brought it to an NS, he said several disc were herniated, no broken facets. Again the same disc, I brought to an OS, who pointed out the broken facets. I went back to the NS, and then he saw the broken facets. So, it is important to 1) get the disc and radiologist report; 2) seek different opinions, and 3) get them to discuss the MRI in front of you. Some doctors like to walk out of the room to a different room to see the MRI. If that is the case, ask if you can see it too, and join him. Another way is to load the disc into your laptop and bring it with you to the next doctor's appointment.
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so will an orthopedic dr be my best next step or a neurologist?
I'd go with the orthopod.
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Gina...you said FNP told you that you were not in pain.
FNP? Is that a Family Nurse Practioner or something else?
If it was a Nurse Practioner, since when are they the be all/end all in reading MRI's? Not meaning to put down any nurse practioners, I'm sure there are some very good ones out there, and I have a great deal of respect for nurses (my mother was one), however, if'n I'm in the condition where an MRI is required, I'd want someone with a whole lot more education and experience than a nurse practioner telling me what is - or isn't - wrong with me.
You're a redhead, Gina! Stand up for yourself and demand some answers from someone who knows what the hell they are doing!!! If that isn't your DOCTOR, then tell him you want a referral to someone who is SPECIFICALLY TRAINED for back problems...which is either an orthopedic surgeon or a neurosurgeon. If he won't do it, then call your insurance company . There has to be more than one accepted gatekeeper physician provider with your insurance policy. The way insurance companies are these days, it could be he's afraid of losing you as a patient if he refers you to someone else, or he's been referring too many patients to specialists and is afraid of losing his preferred status with the insurance company.
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Gina, I'd read what Deb wrote, especially the last paragraph. I'd do it if I were you.
My back pain story--For years, I've had issues with my lower back pain. Then I threw it out about seven years ago. Wow! As I remember it, I was bending down to pick up a plastic tote with my deer hunting clothes in it, to go to camp. I struggled with it to the car, and got in the car--I was damned sure going deer hunting! I made it half of a mile, and turned around. A couple of days later, I was able to move in a normal way again. (The chiropractor helped.) Off and on with back pain for years, then a year ago last March, I told my primary care doc that I wanted an MRI done, and I wasn't about to take 'no' for an answer. Let's just say that he was a tad surprised with the results. I went to my chiropractor first, though, and he gave me the scoop--every one of my lumbar discs was herniated towards my right front, and one of those discs was torn. How did I get those herniated discs? That car crash in Germany 23-odd years ago. The chiropractor gave me some back exercises to do to strengthen my back muscles. I'm spotty on doing them. :o
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:lol: nah, it's a constant pain either sitting or standing. If I am walkiing it seems to alleviate it.
Thor......20k units? I thought 5k units was toxic?
There are 50,000 IU Rx Vit D capsules. Some people need them. They are usually taken once a week.
Just be up front with your doctor that you are in pain and need something to help you get through the day. Some pain mgt. doctors are quicker to write you an Rx then your regular family doctor, but a good doctor can tell if you are in pain without a bunch of tests. Every try chiropractic? Many chiropractors work with MDs to use different modalities to help with the pain & pressure.
I have a good relationship with my doctor's office. He hands me the Rx pad, I write what I want and he signs it.
There are reasons why I get away with that. :cheersmate:
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hydrocodone is lortab isn't it? I took 2 of them this morning but they make me sick to my stomach. I am going to make sure I mention that. I hope my other dr can get my xrays/report to the new dr this afternoon so they don't think I am pulling this crap out my ass. :panic: wish me luck!
Hydrocodone may or may not be Lortab, it's in other drugs as well. Lortab is Hydrocodone mixed with APAP (tylenol) which can be really hard on the liver if you take too much.
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Three different kinds? That seems excessive.
In Las Vegas we call that breakfast. :rotf:
It's actually not excessive. The Percocet is usually for "breakthrough" pain. The Soma is a musscle relaxer for the spasm, which is easily justified by the xray. I take 10 mg of Valium twice daily for spasms. If I don't I can't move when it gets bad....
Physical thearpy, traction & chirporatic is where I would start. Not just any chiropractor, one that actually does spinal rehab. Of course I am not a doctor.
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anyone know how soon I will know the results from a mri?
It's easy to get a copy of the films right away. Sometimes it takes a while (few days) for the radiologist to read the films and write the report. My last neck MRI showed 4 spinal indentations (cervical) with only 6 mm clearance around my spinal cord at c4/c5....so I am one accident away from having major problems...I failed a NCV and EMG on my upper body/neck...all part of life, I just deal with it.
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Gee. All of you younger folks with back problems. I thought those were saved for old geezers like me.
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Oh yes....
the percocet was for extreme pain or breakthrough pain. (take 1 tablet 2x per day as needed for pain)
The ultram is to be taken every 8 hours or as needed for pain
The soma says take 1 2x daily as needed for muscle spasm
I guess I should of read the entire thread before I commented.... :thatsright:
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Gee. All of you younger folks with back problems. I thought those were saved for old geezers like me.
I guess being on your back alot is dangerous :popcorn:
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I guess being on your back alot is dangerous :popcorn:
From someone who knows? :lmao: :naughty:
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From someone who knows? :lmao: :naughty:
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Props to GOP Congress for the pic.
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I think I hurt my back yesterday at work . I was cashiering, must have turned wrong or picked up something too heavy , and i pushed myself, and this morning my back paid the price!!! I took a couple of Ibu's so it should be ok. I had to run an errand for a friend, I didn't want to let him down, so I went anyway. Backs are fragile things..... :bawl:
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I think I hurt my back yesterday at work . I was cashiering, must have turned wrong or picked up something too heavy , and i pushed myself, and this morning my back paid the price!!! I took a couple of Ibu's so it should be ok. I had to run an errand for a friend, I didn't want to let him down, so I went anyway. Backs are fragile things..... :bawl:
A large part of them being 'fragile' is because we don't do enough to strengthen our core. Core muscles not only act as a girdle, but they help support the back. The abdominal muscles and back muscles usually work in sync and protect one another. Unfortunately, many people are not strong in the abdomen and their backs are more prone to injury doing routine movements. I know it sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo but before I lost a lot of weight, I used to ahve back pain at night and into the morning. With weight loss also came core strengthening. It really was a tremendous help. I know it doesn't mean much for a back already fudged up, but maybe for those who have healthy backs currently, it would be useful to really work on those core muscles to help prevent back strain and issues in the future. I'm sure it doesn't hurt ot have that extra support once backs that are injured are healthy enough to tolerate some light core training. I'm only posting this seahorse because I know you probably have a minor strain from teh sounds of it. Work that core up and strengthen it so it can do its job and support that back. :)
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^ Good advice.
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I guess being on your back alot is dangerous :popcorn:
:rotf:
It's a dangerous job, but someone has to do it.
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A large part of them being 'fragile' is because we don't do enough to strengthen our core. Core muscles not only act as a girdle, but they help support the back. The abdominal muscles and back muscles usually work in sync and protect one another. Unfortunately, many people are not strong in the abdomen and their backs are more prone to injury doing routine movements. I know it sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo but before I lost a lot of weight, I used to ahve back pain at night and into the morning. With weight loss also came core strengthening. It really was a tremendous help. I know it doesn't mean much for a back already fudged up, but maybe for those who have healthy backs currently, it would be useful to really work on those core muscles to help prevent back strain and issues in the future. I'm sure it doesn't hurt ot have that extra support once backs that are injured are healthy enough to tolerate some light core training. I'm only posting this seahorse because I know you probably have a minor strain from teh sounds of it. Work that core up and strengthen it so it can do its job and support that back. :)
This is true on the whole. However, you have people like me that lift more than they should without a back support. Being a "He man" (or woman) can get a person in trouble.
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I think I hurt my back yesterday at work . I was cashiering, must have turned wrong or picked up something too heavy , and i pushed myself, and this morning my back paid the price!!! I took a couple of Ibu's so it should be ok. I had to run an errand for a friend, I didn't want to let him down, so I went anyway. Backs are fragile things..... :bawl:
I wasn't aware that you were an Italian.
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A large part of them being 'fragile' is because we don't do enough to strengthen our core. Core muscles not only act as a girdle, but they help support the back. The abdominal muscles and back muscles usually work in sync and protect one another. Unfortunately, many people are not strong in the abdomen and their backs are more prone to injury doing routine movements. I know it sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo but before I lost a lot of weight, I used to ahve back pain at night and into the morning. With weight loss also came core strengthening. It really was a tremendous help. I know it doesn't mean much for a back already fudged up, but maybe for those who have healthy backs currently, it would be useful to really work on those core muscles to help prevent back strain and issues in the future. I'm sure it doesn't hurt ot have that extra support once backs that are injured are healthy enough to tolerate some light core training. I'm only posting this seahorse because I know you probably have a minor strain from teh sounds of it. Work that core up and strengthen it so it can do its job and support that back. :)
What you say is so true. My long-ago injured back responds to a healthy weight and exercise. Last summer I felt the best ever since 20+ years because I was at my regular healthy weight due to a physical therapist's exercise program she had me doing for something totally unrelated.
The best back exercises for me are standing tall (holding onto a chair back) and slowly lifting each leg straightened backwards. (http://www.iposture.com/images/pho_exercise_armchair-backward.jpg)
Best to all my fellow back sufferers!
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I am back from my 2 days of straight walking. Although I am sore. My back feels somewhat with less pain even though it's sore. I did stop taking my percocet last week to save for these 2 days and I think it was a very wise decision because I would have been miserable without it.
I am going to try the c25k program with my son.
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I wasn't aware that you were an Italian.
hmmmmmmmmmm did i spell that word wrong?? "fragile'? I try to proofread my stuff, before hitting the "submit" button
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hmmmmmmmmmm did i spell that word wrong?? "fragile'? I try to proofread my stuff, before hitting the "submit" button
I think it was a reference to the movie "A Christmas Story".
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I think it was a reference to the movie "A Christmas Story".
Yeh.......MY FAVORITE MOVEI! :yahoo:
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Y'all are correct! Fragile was fra-GIL'-ay! :yahoo:
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I am back from my 2 days of straight walking.
So you were walking the streets, eh? :naughty:
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So you were walking the streets, eh? :naughty:
Yeppers and I owned it! :tongue:
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Yeppers and I owned it! :tongue:
That's the way I heard it!!! :rofl:
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I have made another appt with another dr for tomorrow. Everytime I call this dr's office I have to leave a msg every day for at least 3 days and then finally they will call me back and tell me that they can't answer a question for me over the phone that I have to come in and pay another $15 bucks. They aren't helping me. I can't get an orthopedic dr to see me at my available time. I am on probation until the end of November and they stop seeing new patients at 2pm around here. I don't get off til 3:30pm.
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: I feel like I am getting the runaround and I am so pissed off because I really think that this other place doesn't think I am in pain and I am only looking for drugs. :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:
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I have made another appt with another dr for tomorrow. Everytime I call this dr's office I have to leave a msg every day for at least 3 days and then finally they will call me back and tell me that they can't answer a question for me over the phone that I have to come in and pay another $15 bucks. They aren't helping me. I can't get an orthopedic dr to see me at my available time. I am on probation until the end of November and they stop seeing new patients at 2pm around here. I don't get off til 3:30pm.
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: I feel like I am getting the runaround and I am so pissed off because I really think that this other place doesn't think I am in pain and I am only looking for drugs. :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:
Do you have a physicians' referral place where you live? If so, they might be able to help.
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What is that? esplane pease :panic:
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What is that? esplane pease :panic:
Never mind. I think you should go directly to another doctor and explain that you are in extreme pain, that you have the MRI, that your current doctor is NOT a spine specialist, and that you are having trouble in just contacting him for a referral.
You might try this place. (I think you said you lived in Memphis.)
Spine Specialty (http://spinespecialty.com/Spine_Specialty_Center/Welcome.html)
You could at least call them and discuss what's going on.
Others are listed here:
NAMES, ETC. (http://www.memphisneurologist.com/directory/category/physicians-surgeons)
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I have made another appt with another dr for tomorrow. Everytime I call this dr's office I have to leave a msg every day for at least 3 days and then finally they will call me back and tell me that they can't answer a question for me over the phone that I have to come in and pay another $15 bucks. They aren't helping me. I can't get an orthopedic dr to see me at my available time. I am on probation until the end of November and they stop seeing new patients at 2pm around here. I don't get off til 3:30pm.
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: I feel like I am getting the runaround and I am so pissed off because I really think that this other place doesn't think I am in pain and I am only looking for drugs. :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:
Geez....I don't know what is wrong with your physician network over there.....
Since you started this thread, my back problem has recurred, with the accompanying severe pain.....I saw my GP last Thursday, and he gave me scripts for some pain meds, and his nurse scheduled an MRI for me, which will be done first thing tomorrow, I called the pain center for an appointment for the epidural corticosteroid injections, and he's seeing me for the procedure first thing Thursday morning.
By Thursday afternoon (assuming the treatment works as well as it has in the past), I'll be all fixed. One week from start to finish.
Your insurance company may be a source for referrals to doctors in their system that can get you treatments on an expedited basis, it would be worth a call to see what they recommend. Our insurance provider (based in Texas) has a physician's assistant on a referral line just for that purpose.
doc
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Gina, it's my opinion that it's your body, you are in pain, your doctor won't do anything about it, and you have the option to go to another doctor, whether your GP likes it or not.
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Gina, it's my opinion that it's your body, you are in pain, your doctor won't do anything about it, and you have the option to go to another doctor, whether your GP likes it or not.
You so frucking rock! I looked at that first website and they actually have a Saturday urgent care open on that day. So I can just take my referral from this piece of shit dr and not miss work or screw up my probation! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
If I wasn't married...... :panic:
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Geez....I don't know what is wrong with your physician network over there.....
Since you started this thread, my back problem has recurred, with the accompanying severe pain.....I saw my GP last Thursday, and he gave me scripts for some pain meds, and his nurse scheduled an MRI for me, which will be done first thing tomorrow, I called the pain center for an appointment for the epidural corticosteroid injections, and he's seeing me for the procedure first thing Thursday morning.
By Thursday afternoon (assuming the treatment works as well as it has in the past), I'll be all fixed. One week from start to finish.
Your insurance company may be a source for referrals to doctors in their system that can get you treatments on an expedited basis, it would be worth a call to see what they recommend. Our insurance provider (based in Texas) has a physician's assistant on a referral line just for that purpose.
doc
I took your advice and called my insurance company and they said they didn't have any pull to get me a later appt. They probably think I am mental :lmao:
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You so frucking rock! I looked at that first website and they actually have a Saturday urgent care open on that day. So I can just take my referral from this piece of shit dr and not miss work or screw up my probation! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
If I wasn't married...... :panic:
I'm so glad that seems like it worked out for you, Toots! :-*
We will, of course, expect a full report! :-)
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I took your advice and called my insurance company and they said they didn't have any pull to get me a later appt. They probably think I am mental :lmao:
Well....now that you mention it........
:-)
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Gina - yay! It sounds like you got it worked out. Keep us posted.
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They probably think I am mental :lmao:
We know you're mental, but it's a nice mental. Not the wacky kind of mental. :lmao:
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We know you're mental, but it's a nice mental. Not the wacky kind of mental. :lmao:
not libby mental :loser:
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Well saw the orthopaedic dr today. He confirmed the lumbar scoliosis and looked at my MRI and said he could see a slight bulging disc near my tailbone but he didn't think it would cause me pain. He said he believed I was in pain but narcotics were not the answer right yet and he has me going to pt 3x a week for a month. Never been so I don't know what to expect. He gave me these back patches (flector patch). He will see me again in a month. I am willing to give it a try.
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Well saw the orthopaedic dr today. He confirmed the lumbar scoliosis and looked at my MRI and said he could see a slight bulging disc near my tailbone but he didn't think it would cause me pain. He said he believed I was in pain but narcotics were not the answer right yet and he has me going to pt 3x a week for a month. Never been so I don't know what to expect. He gave me these back patches (flector patch). He will see me again in a month. I am willing to give it a try.
Sounds pretty standard. They start you off on the path of least resistance, then ramp up when/if the pain isn't mitigated. Let's hope the PT takes. :cheersmate:
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Yeh each pt visit Is a 25 buck copay :mad:
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Yeh each pt visit Is a 25 buck copay :mad:
Eupher is right. In my case the PT was well worth the time and cost ( my co pay was $15 at the start but went up to $20 and may now actually be up to $30).
Do the exercises.
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Going to and thinking about bodybuilding again to get my core back