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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul-31-11 02:30 PM
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$230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afraid Of Violence From Below!
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 02:31 PM by Omaha Steve
http://www.alternet.org/economy/151837/$230,000_for_a_g...
spare cash not just into private jets, but into private security. Think there's a connection?
July 29, 2011 |
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“Violence in the streets, aimed at the wealthy. That’s what I worry about.â€
That was what an unidentified billionaire told Robert Frank of the Wall Street Journal a while back. Rich people are scared of global unrest, Frank reported, citing a survey by Insite Security and IBOPE Zogby International of people with liquid assets of $1 million or more (translation: folks who have or can get their hands on $1 million in cash fairly easily) that says 94 percent of the wealthy are concerned about “global unrest†around the world.
He noted:
Of course, Insite has an interest in getting the paranoid rich to beef up their security. Still, the numbers are backed up by other trends seen throughout the world of wealth today: the rich keeping a lower profile, hiring $230,000 guard dogs, and arming their yachts, planes and cars with military-style security features.
John Johnson, the owner of the $230,000 dog featured in the New York Times, is a former debt collector. (You can't make this stuff up.) He sold his debt collection company three years ago, but still has not just one, but six highly—and expensively—trained “executive protection dogs.†Harrison K-9 services, the trainers behind Johnson's pricey protection dogs, used to train dogs for elite military units like the Navy Seal team that raided Osama bin Laden's compound. The article doesn't say exactly how many dogs Harrison K-9 has provided for the world's rich and famous, but it does feature a quote from their head trainer saying she's trained “a thousand†dogs.
In addition to security systems, dogs and armed yachts, the security-conscious oligarch can hire a private spy company—Jellyfish, a spinoff of the notorious private security company Blackwater. Or what about their own personal drone? “Smaller, private versions of the infamous Predator†may be coming to well-heeled private citizens near you, according to the UK's Daily Mail. So far the private drones appear to only be for spying, but former Navy fighter pilot Missy Cummings told the Daily Mail, “It doesn't take a rocket scientist from MIT to tell you if we can do it for a soldier in the field, we can do it for anybody.â€
So why are the rich getting paranoid? After all, here in the U.S. it looks like they don't even have to worry about their taxes returning to Clinton-era levels, let alone cope with a truly significant change to their lifestyles. Still, as the rich get richer, it seems, they get more and more worried about the rest of us coming for their wealth—and they're out to protect it by any means necessary.
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I can't figure out why they would need guard dogs, it's not like a bunch of freeloaders are threatening violence or anything.
sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul-31-11 02:31 PM
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1. Eat the Rich.
Ohh that's why they need them never mind.
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul-31-11 02:35 PM
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2. They're not paranoid. They know they deserve to be hated.
They don't know why they're not dead already.
They haven't figured out that the food stamps they are trying to eliminate are keeping them alive.
So basically you are saying that either we pay off the poor or, there will be violence.
Sounds like extortion to me.
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul-31-11 03:12 PM
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12. So their greed has created their own gilded prison. Gulag Archipelago.
No, they are protecting themselves from a bunch of moonbats who think they are owed for the simple fact that they exist.
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-31-11 02:38 PM
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4. A $230 K guard dog can be neutralized by a few strips of bacon.
I guess these assholes never saw "The Return of the Jedi", where primitive Ewoks tripped up all those fancy Empire fighting machines with rocks and ropes and wooden spears. If they think all these fancy toys are going to keep them safe, they're going to be in for a big surprise.
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When GoCubsGo is knocked to the ground and feels the canines sink into his throat he will maybe figure out that the force is not with him.
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So basically you are saying that either we pay off the poor or, there will be violence.
Well, I'm all for the DU re-enactment of the Nike Riots. DUers starring as the rioters, of course.
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Not a bad deal when you think about it. True, the initial outlay is huge. But then you have several years worth 24/7 home security with the only pay being a bowl or two of Alpo a day. :-)
Plus, the sight of a Rottweiler with a hippy leg in its jaws is worthy to be captured in needlepoint art and hung over the fireplace.
Good doggy.
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Not a bad deal when you think about it. True, the initial outlay is huge. But then you have several years worth 24/7 home security with the only pay being a bowl or two of Alpo a day. :-)
Plus, the sight of a Rottweiler with a hippy leg in its jaws is worthy to be captured in needlepoint art and hung over the fireplace.
Good doggy.
Ahh, reminds of when the interstate hiway opened near our farm when I was 13. We had a german shepherd trained as a cow dog and used also to wake the dead when some one was too stupid to honk the horn before they got out of their vehicle.
Long story short, one night there was a racket in the back yard and then a car peeling away, spraying gravel all over the place. Next morning I went out to unchain the dog from the gas tank rack to bring up the cows and noticed the back half of a pair of jeans with the area of the buttocks ripped to shreds and bloody under the dog's front paws. Dog's name was Buster, but after the brave, bold defense of the gas tank we called him Killer.
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When GoCubsGo is knocked to the ground and feels the canines sink into his throat he will maybe figure out that the force is not with him.
Bacon! LOL!! Psst, DUmmy, ammonia in a supersoaker works a lot better!
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When GoCubsGo is knocked to the ground and feels the canines sink into his throat he will maybe figure out that the force is not with him.
:lmao:
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Funny stuff! :stoner: = paranoia
We're not rich and we don't have a police style professionally trained killer K-9 but we do have a pit bull. She's home schooled. Although she is just as sweet as peaches I have no doubt that anyone entering our home when we're not here is going to have a leg ripped off.
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I'm not rich, but if the freeloaders ever did get up off of their asses to revolt, I know I'd be on the side of property rights.
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All these threats against people who have committed no crime...Its no wonder that DU is on the govt watch list.
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It's such a crime to work hard for your own money. ::)
If I was a multi-millioniare, I'd have a few guard dogs too. I don't want any of those nasty hippies coming near my gated McMansion. Eww.
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Bacon.. Pffft. A properly trained guard dog will not eat anything unless its told to. Distracting/poisoning guard dogs with food are the oldest tricks in the book.
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(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfwta76Sci1qew91zo1_400.jpg)
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It's such a crime to work hard for your own money. ::)
If I was a multi-millioniare, I'd have a few guard dogs too. I don't want any of those nasty hippies coming near my gated McMansion. Eww.
Hopefully, Jess, you'd have an AR handy, too.
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Bacon.. Pffft. A properly trained guard dog will not eat anything unless its told to. Distracting/poisoning guard dogs with food are the oldest tricks in the book.
That's exactly what I was thinking. With herding dogs, you're basically channeling their natural prey instinct into something productive. There's a lot of distractions in my yard, including fresh chicken (I feed my dogs a raw diet so they smell dinner all day long) and they never get distracted when they're moving the goats. When they're pups, until they're about a year old, they have to be on a leash because they like to play with living things until somebody dies but otherwise they know what they're not supposed to do. Working dogs thrive on having jobs.
Cindie
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Working dogs are trained to deal with distractions and you deliberately include them in their training. With herding dogs, you're basically channeling their natural prey instinct into something productive. There's a lot of distractions in my yard, including fresh chicken (I feed my dogs a raw diet so they smell dinner all day long) and they never get distracted when they're moving the goats. When they're pups, until they're about a year old, they have to be on a leash because they like to play with living things until somebody dies but otherwise they know what they're not supposed to do. Working dogs thrive on having jobs.
Cindie
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The primitives never seem to realize when they walk into their own traps.
For instance, a bigot is defined as a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.
On the liberal scale, being a bigot is one of the worst things you can be.
However, their hatred and intolerance of those who have more money than the primitives think they should have (class warfare) is the very definition of being a bigot.
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Working dogs are trained to deal with distractions and you deliberately include them in their training. With herding dogs, you're basically channeling their natural prey instinct into something productive. There's a lot of distractions in my yard, including fresh chicken (I feed my dogs a raw diet so they smell dinner all day long) and they never get distracted when they're moving the goats. When they're pups, until they're about a year old, they have to be on a leash because they like to play with living things until somebody dies but otherwise they know what they're not supposed to do. Working dogs thrive on having jobs.
Cindie
Dogs are conservatives, cats are liberals.
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Dogs are conservatives, cats are liberals.
No you have it wrong.
Dogs are liberals cause they do whatever you tell them to.
Cats are conservative because they are independent thinkers who like to kill RATS.
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I cannot buy the premise of this article, even if it was quoted from the Holy New York Times.
There's no such thing in the real world as a $230K guard dog.
I heard not long ago of a guy in Ohio who sold ultra-trained guard dogs to royal family members in the Middle East.
His pooches were allegedly going for $15-$20K, with the "allegedly" in underlined bold capital letters.
Except for horses, crazy money animals are nearly always breeding stock.
I don't believe even a democrat federal government would pay $230K for a working dog.
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No you have it wrong.
Dogs are liberals cause they do whatever you tell them to.
Cats are conservative because they are independent thinkers who like to kill RATS.
Dogs do exhibit some liberal tendencies, such as licking their asses in public.
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Hopefully, Jess, you'd have an AR handy, too.
Maybe some day.
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No you have it wrong.
Dogs are liberals cause they do whatever you tell them to.
Cats are conservative because they are independent thinkers who like to kill RATS.
But cats are really lazy. They sleep all day.
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But cats are really lazy. They sleep all day.
That's because cats invested wisely and can enjoy the fruits of their labors.
and besides the night shift pays 10% more. Cats = capitalism. Wise kitties.
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That's because cats invested wisely and can enjoy the fruits of their labors.
and besides the night shift pays 10% more. Cats = capitalism. Wise kitties.
That is true. My oldest cat acts like a guard in the evening hours. She starts to growl like a tiger if something is wrong.
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Working dogs are trained to deal with distractions and you deliberately include them in their training. With herding dogs, you're basically channeling their natural prey instinct into something productive. There's a lot of distractions in my yard, including fresh chicken (I feed my dogs a raw diet so they smell dinner all day long) and they never get distracted when they're moving the goats. When they're pups, until they're about a year old, they have to be on a leash because they like to play with living things until somebody dies but otherwise they know what they're not supposed to do. Working dogs thrive on having jobs.
Cindie
Thrive? Most CRAVE having a job.
Our biggest concern was working our cattle during the summer.
If you'd let them, the dogs would literally work until they dropped dead. We used motorcycles and 4-wheelers as much as possible, and let the dogs loose on strays and those occasional stubborn heifers who thought they were "exempt". :lmao:
Those dogs would "tear them a new one", sometimes, literally!
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I have two German Shepherds and another on the way. A few months ago, some idiot ignored the signs and climbed the front gate; he didn't make it back over. If someone tried to come up the back way, why, they could be lying out there for days with no one around to hear his moans. :whistling:
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-31-11 03:48 PM
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18. A private drone turned me into a newt.
:lmao:
GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-31-11 02:38 PM
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4. A $230 K guard dog can be neutralized by a few strips of bacon.
I guess these assholes never saw "The Return of the Jedi", where primitive Ewoks....
Cubs, I hate to break this to you, but Star Wars was just make-believe.
I rowed over, but the thread got completely derailed by two people exchanging stories about painkiller addiction, caused by bad relationships, caused by girlfriends running over boyfriends with cars.
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Bacon.. Pffft. A properly trained guard dog will not eat anything unless its told to. Distracting/poisoning guard dogs with food are the oldest tricks in the book.
I remember watching something a while ago. Mythbusters or something like that. They had a trained guard dog and tried to distract him.
The only thing that worked was some urine from a bitch in heat.
He may be a trained killer but he is a guy after all. :lmao:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1As5AvOJjc&feature=related[/youtube]
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I cannot buy the premise of this article, even if it was quoted from the Holy New York Times.
There's no such thing in the real world as a $230K guard dog.
I heard not long ago of a guy in Ohio who sold ultra-trained guard dogs to royal family members in the Middle East.
His pooches were allegedly going for $15-$20K, with the "allegedly" in underlined bold capital letters.
The only way that figure makes sense is if it includes a contracted handler to accompany the dog for a period of two or three years, and/or some special environmental hardware. A possibility, given that dogs are 'Unclean' in Islam, and therefore an accompanying handler and special stuff for keeping the dog healthy all packaged together would be a big plus for many Mid-Eastern clients.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul-31-11 03:12 PM
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12. So their greed has created their own gilded prison. Gulag Archipelago.
Actually, lonestarnot, it is other people's greed that is creating that prison, not their own. We don't say the average joe is imprisoning himself at bedtime because he locks his doors so petty thieves can't gain access to his valuables and his family. It is the petty thieves that motivate his need to protect himself, not his greed. Smart people protect themselves and their families and the resources with which to provide for those families. They are under no obligation to share those resources with others, but generally people are charitable and do anyway. From what I see anymore, it is definitely greed that motivates this, just not from the side you are thinking lonestar.
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-31-11 02:38 PM
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4. A $230 K guard dog can be neutralized by a few strips of bacon.
I guess these assholes never saw "The Return of the Jedi", where primitive Ewoks tripped up all those fancy Empire fighting machines with rocks and ropes and wooden spears. If they think all these fancy toys are going to keep them safe, they're going to be in for a big surprise
I guess this asshole never got that he was just watching a movie. :thatsright:
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-31-11 02:38 PM
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4. A $230 K guard dog can be neutralized by a few strips of bacon.
I guess these assholes never saw "The Return of the Jedi", where primitive Ewoks tripped up all those fancy Empire fighting machines with rocks and ropes and wooden spears. If they think all these fancy toys are going to keep them safe, they're going to be in for a big surprise
Try it on a real combat-loaded track, sunshine, and see who gets surprised.
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-31-11 02:38 PM
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4. A $230 K guard dog can be neutralized by a few strips of bacon.
I guess these assholes never saw "The Return of the Jedi", where primitive Ewoks tripped up all those fancy Empire fighting machines with rocks and ropes and wooden spears. If they think all these fancy toys are going to keep them safe, they're going to be in for a big surprise.
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Note to self...do not build McMansion on forrest moon of Endor.
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I can't figure out why they would need guard dogs, it's not like a bunch of freeloaders are threatening violence or anything.
Ohh that's why they need them never mind.
No, they are protecting themselves from a bunch of moonbats who think they are owed for the simple fact that they exist.
You know, sir, the county sheriff and I had a discussion about this last week.
He's always been big on my getting a dog.
Well, I'm definitely a dog person, but the deal is, I have these cats.....
The cats however are getting up in years--alas--and so probably sooner or later I'll get a dog, maybe two of them.
There's a big deal about "hearing dogs" for the deaf, but I won't need to bother with that. When the time comes, I'll have the local veterinary keep its eyes open for one or two abandoned dogs, and I can train them myself, to be "hearing dogs." I don't care what a dog is; mongrels and ancient dogs are just as good as purebreds and young dogs. So.....when the time comes, I'll take whatever comes my way.
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Bacon.. Pffft. A properly trained guard dog will not eat anything unless its told to. Distracting/poisoning guard dogs with food are the oldest tricks in the book.
Mythbusters did a show on this once, and they actually managed to distract the dog with the smell of a female dog in heat. The trainer said that now he knew where he needed to improve his training.
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-31-11 02:31 PM
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1. Eat the Rich.
If you do that,.......how will you live? How will you be able to work, afford your pot and Cheetos, unless the gubberment supplies them for you if you eat the rich? Who will send you your welfare checks? Ever wonder what the answers to those questions are, you lurking DUmmies?
Stupidity on the DUmp NEVER ends. :banghead:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts)Sun Jul-31-11 02:35 PM
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2. They're not paranoid. They know they deserve to be hated.
They don't know why they're not dead already.
Speaking of the rich, over the weekend, the CalPig claimed to be posting from vacation in Iceland.
The volcanoes should inspire some new poetry.
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You know, sir, the county sheriff and I had a discussion about this last week.
He's always been big on my getting a dog.
Well, I'm definitely a dog person, but the deal is, I have these cats.....
The cats however are getting up in years--alas--and so probably sooner or later I'll get a dog, maybe two of them.
There's a big deal about "hearing dogs" for the deaf, but I won't need to bother with that. When the time comes, I'll have the local veterinary keep its eyes open for one or two abandoned dogs, and I can train them myself, to be "hearing dogs." I don't care what a dog is; mongrels and ancient dogs are just as good as purebreds and young dogs. So.....when the time comes, I'll take whatever comes my way.
Cats and dogs can get along just fine. I have 5 cats and 4 dogs and all do well. The only one that has problems is my puppy because this is the first time she's been around cats. She's actually doing quite well though. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to get one. You can ask your vet to look for one that has been raised around cats. Or you can go to your local animal shelter. A lot of times they know what dogs get along with their cats. And, cats are very good at putting dogs in their place. A couple of whacks on the nose and they learn.
Cindie
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Speaking of the rich, over the weekend, the CalPig claimed to be posting from vacation in Iceland.
The volcanoes should inspire some new poetry.
:thatsright:
Blink, blink, blink, blink . . .
:fuelfire: :tongue:
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Cats and dogs can get along just fine. I have 5 cats and 4 dogs and all do well. The only one that has problems is my puppy because this is the first time she's been around cats. She's actually doing quite well though. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to get one. You can ask your vet to look for one that has been raised around cats. Or you can go to your local animal shelter. A lot of times they know what dogs get along with their cats. And, cats are very good at putting dogs in their place. A couple of whacks on the nose and they learn.
Cindie
Delilah, I have been a huge advocate for hearing aid dogs for years. Don't need a big one, a 5 pounder or even less make great companions and love to WORK as well as the big brutes.
Did you happen to see the You Tube security camera inside a store a few weeks ago when a 3 lb. Mexican dog chased 2 armed robbers out the door of a store and actually ran hell bent for leather across the street after them ?????
First thing to come to mind was the men were devote Muslims and from working with them know they live in fear that if touched by a Dog, Pig, or Snake cannot say their nightly prayers, if the die in their sleep, they cannot get to heaven. Depending on the amount of devotion, had that tiny dog grabbed a pants cuff, then the poor man was terrified out of his mind about going to sleep that night.
I truly believe that when God saw that giving woman to man as a help mate would not be enough so he created the dog to fill in all the things a woman could not do.
True dogs live short lives but the purpose of that is if they lived 3 times their age limit, the loss would be 3 times as great it is for us who loose our dogs at 10 years +
I think Frank could do well with a Velcro dog, a Australian Shepard small, compact, good nose and eyesight. Extremely smart, and all way at his side, he will gladly get into autos for a ride
or even a roller coaster should he be asked.
Down side is the breed will attempt to herd the cats, and any human visitors that come to call.
Frank can get help training a puppy to alert him to all the things he cannot hear, and a state ID s he can take the dog into restaurants, hospitals, doctors visits or allow him to know when he is speeding and a cop turns on the siren for him to pull over.
He can off lead this breed and never worry about it running away, ----In case I need a hearing dog this is the breed I would go for.
Seeing eye would be a Rottie, big enough to lean on to get out of bed or a chair the shower or an auto.
God Bless the gift of the Dog to Humans and those that hate them are an affront to God as they reject his gift.
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The difference between dogs and cats.
A dog thinks "This human feeds me, houses me, and loves me. He must be a god."
A cat thinks "This human feeds me, houses me, and loves me. I must be a god."
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The primitives never seem to realize when they walk into their own traps.
For instance, a bigot is defined as a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.
On the liberal scale, being a bigot is one of the worst things you can be.
However, their hatred and intolerance of those who have more money than the primitives think they should have (class warfare) is the very definition of being a bigot.
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Yep! And O'bummer is doin' his best to feed these parasites with class envy. Never have I seen a president try and stir hatred the way this puke does!
Eventually, if he keeps this shit up, he's gonna get what he wants, and it will be ugly!
Wonder if he's including GE in the corporate tax scheme?
What he really means is: "If you donate to my re-election, you will be spared the taxes real capitalists are gonna have to pay".
I notice Unions aren't included in any of his speeches on "we all have to sacrifice".
****in' asshole!
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Speaking of the rich, over the weekend, the CalPig claimed to be posting from vacation in Iceland.
The volcanoes should inspire some new poetry.
Spouting
Spouting
Ejaculating their love on the land
From the bowels of the world
The ash of love lies white on the mounds
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You mean like that?
O-)
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Spouting
Spouting
Ejaculating their love on the land
From the bowels of the world
The ash of love lies white on the mounds
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You mean like that?
O-)
Good grief, Tank!!! We don't need ya to channel the Pig!
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Good grief, Tank!!! We don't need ya to channel the Pig!
Someone's been channeling Larry Flynt . . . :tongue:
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Spouting
Spouting
Ejaculating their love on the land
From the bowels of the world
The ash of love lies white on the mounds
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You mean like that?
O-)
Wow!
Wait a minute, where's the wink, wink?
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Someone's been channeling Larry Flynt . . . :tongue:
What is wrong with Mr. Flynt ??? Seems he tells it like it is and is no way a one that that gives a damn what anyone thinks of his research on the true facts of sex in America.
Yes I bought the book he had written by a PHD in history and am still plowing through it. What we think our leaders and wives were neutered???
I grant you more woop-te -do was going on 200 years ago then today.
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CalPig's poetry generally has some sexual element, no matter how inappropriate to the subject; in fact it's mostly sex poetry looking for a topic in where it can leave the door slightly ajar, obscure the windows a bit but not too much, and then exhibitionistically screw itself silly. Even the infamous 'Blink blink blink blink' has at its root the everpresent sexual analog in its repetive motion.
You guys just don't understand the nuances of the particular subgenre of Vogon poetry which she composes.
:-)
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CalPig's poetry generally has some sexual element, no matter how inappropriate to the subject; in fact it's mostly sex poetry looking for a topic in where it can leave the door slightly ajar, obscure the windows a bit but not too much, and then exhibitionistically screw itself silly. Even the infamous 'Blink blink blink blink' has at its root the everpresent sexual analog in its repetive motion.
You guys just don't understand the nuances of the particular subgenre of Vogon poetry which she composes.
I hope that after nadin googles "Vogon" she shoots a PM to CalPig to check it out.
I'm not sure whether CalPig lurks, but nadin's here constantly.
The CalPig should be back from Iceland by now, and we should be getting some volcanic Vogon poetry soon.
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I hope that after nadin googles "Vogon" she shoots a PM to CalPig to check it out.
I'm not sure whether CalPig lurks, but nadin's here constantly.
The CalPig should be back from Iceland by now, and we should be getting some volcanic Vogon poetry soon.
The pinnacle stood straight and hard against the landscape. Often the smoke arose into the air in to a plumb shot out of it as seaman from a male in heat.
The valley like a vagina legs spread wide awaited the smoke and ash to fertilise the valley with new spores to impregnant the land.
Go Bucks, is this what you are thinking????????
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The pinnacle stood straight and hard against the landscape. Often the smoke arose into the air in to a plumb shot out of it as seaman from a male in heat.
The valley like a vagina legs spread wide awaited the smoke and ash to fertilise the valley with new spores to impregnant the land.
Go Bucks, is this what you are thinking????????
We've found nadin's mole . . . :tongue: :fuelfire:
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We've found nadin's mole . . . :tongue: :fuelfire:
It does kind of read like a CalPig poem, as rewritten by Needin'-a-brewski, doesn't it?
:rotf:
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I'm one of the many who long ago decided to put vestanumbers on ignore.
That works until someone, for some ungodly reason, feels compelled to quote her.
When that happens, what I see always confirms that I made a good decision.