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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: ib4gains on July 02, 2011, 02:07:13 PM
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I listen to all political views from every spectrum. Being a conservative myself, I can agree with what some of the pundits believe, but Republicans are fake conservatives. They hide under a conservative banner, but never stand up to the true core qualities. They only go after spending that does not affect them. Any project these people have, they want to have full commitment. Tax breaks are necessary, but its only those sectors that lobbied for it which get it. What a true conservative should do is push for tax simplification or a flat tax. Big companies spend millions in their legal departments just to avoid paying them and we as Americans pay for it through the tax breaks. When it comes to illegal aliens its not cut and dry. They come over the borders to get work because their countries have no labor laws in place to ensure a fair wage. The Republicans pushed for free trade when they should have pushed fair trade. This would have slowed down the flow. This topic is only an election talking point because we had an amnesty during the Regan administration with the Republicans stating that they would tighten the borders once those in the country were nationalized. This never happened. Our country should go after those business owners who employ illegals through heavy fines and jail time. When those illegals realize there is no work, they will volunteer to go back to their country of origin, but it takes real conservatives to stand their ground and not caucus with a party that would sell out their own mothers for another term in office. Additionally, true conservatives should push term limits for all elected offices. We cannot afford to allow these politicians to be royalty, nor accrued a pension which tax payers have to cover. The house reps spend more time campaigning that figuring out how to solve this countries problems. Last, stop with the social conservatism in the government. We spend way too much time legislating morality than trying to fix this countries financial issues. Our founders were God fearing, but wanted government to be separate. We have to elect independent conservatives to focus on the necessary issues. If not, the demise of this wonderful nation is going to happen. Conservatives wake up!!!!!
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I can agree with what some of the pundits believe, but Republicans are fake conservatives.
So you generalize that all Republicans are fake conservatives. Hmmm. So what do you classify conservatives?
I am a conservative, and I'm a Republican. I have supported term limits for many years.
Watch out with your generalizations.
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Komerad, welcome to the Cave! Do be a good fellow and stop by the introductions forum and say "Hi".
It's a simple courtesy but it's nice to get to know someone before they open fire. The drive-by approach isn't
necessary around here because unlike at the DUmp you won't be immediately banished for simply
speaking your mind. We can always drag you out back and slap the snot out of you later but for now,
WELCOME and enjoy your stay! :cheersmate:
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So you generalize that all Republicans are fake conservatives. Hmmm. So what do you classify conservatives?
I am a conservative, and I'm a Republican. I have supported term limits for many years.
Watch out with your generalizations.
Truthfully, yes, most of the Republicans in Washington in general are fake. If you read my posting, its referring to the politicians. My title is wake up Conservatives. This means you who vote Republican and are true conservatives and if I want to generalize, its my constitutional right as an American to say what I want. You want to cheer lead that is your business, but I will not stop speaking my mind. I don't just go after liberals. My beliefs are true!!!
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Just saying "Hi" :naughty:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGc1lobA57s[/youtube]
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Truthfully, yes, most of the Republicans in Washington in general are fake. If you read my posting, its referring to the politicians. My title is wake up Conservatives. This means you who vote Republican and are true conservatives and if I want to generalize, its my constitutional right as an American to say what I want. You want to cheer lead that is your business, but I will not stop speaking my mind. I don't just go after liberals. My beliefs are true!!!
In your 2nd sentence, you said Republicans are fake conservatives.
Period. Nothing about politicians at all.
I'm no cheerleader, and you can say what you want. But you should be careful about your false generalizing.
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Just saying "Hi" :naughty:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGc1lobA57s[/youtube]
Thank you for the welcome!
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In your 2nd sentence, you said Period. Nothing about politicians at all.
I'm no cheerleader, and you can say what you want. But you should be careful about your false generalizing.
You need to analyze my writing a little bit. Did it sound like I was going after Republican voters or politicians? My points were pointing at politicians. The title again says "Wake up Conservatives". It's pointing out that politicians in the Republican party are fake!!! I did not say every member of the Republican party are fake themselves. Biggest point is Newt. He claims to be a fiscal conservative who spends like a fish when given money. Should that offend you or should that anger you? We need to go after our own kind to put them in check otherwise you will continue to have a spend happy liberal government. Last, I am not a Republican because I do not want to coolaid drink for politicians who fake the funk!! Most average Americans are genuine. Stop allowing these individuals taint the conservative brand.
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You need to analyze my writing a little bit. Did it sound like I was going after Republican voters or politicians? My points were pointing at politicians. The title again says "Wake up Conservatives". It's pointing out that politicians in the Republican party are fake!!! I did not say every member of the Republican party are fake themselves. Biggest point is Newt. He claims to be a fiscal conservative who spends like a fish when given money. Should that offend you or should that anger you? We need to go after our own kind to put them in check otherwise you will continue to have a spend happy liberal government. Last, I am not a Republican because I do not want to coolaid drink for politicians who fake the funk!! Most average Americans are genuine. Stop allowing these individuals taint the conservative brand.
I don't need to analyze anything. You need to learn how to post things.
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I don't need to analyze anything. You need to learn how to post things.
Your one of the reasons why liberals think conservatives are stupid!!
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I don't need to analyze anything. You need to learn how to post things.
Keep drinking!!!!!!
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Keep drinking!!!!!!
I smell a troll. It's time for the IGNORE button.
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Now usually when someone comes in and starts talking about "True Conservatives" - they wind up being a Paultard or a troll.
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I smell a troll. It's time for the IGNORE button.
I ignore no one...I just don't pay some people any attention. :-)
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Awesome! A "true" conservative show us the way. Where have you been all of our pathetic, misguided lives? :whatever:
Just a small note: before you teach us morons the true conservative way, maybe you should learn the difference between "your" and "you're."
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This should be fun! :cheersmate:
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Well then, ib4gains. What would you suggest we do?
If all Republican politicians are fake...why vote at all?
Who would you vote for? and please name your choice, don't beat around the bush or build up to a point.
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He claims to be a fiscal conservative who spends like a fish when given money. Should that offend you or should that anger you?
I think that maybe you should give me some insight on the true spending habits of fish before i make up my mind about whether or not I should be angry or offended.
Thanks in advance.
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I think that maybe you should give me some insight on the true spending habits of fish before i make up my mind about whether or not I should be angry or offended.
Thanks in advance.
I hear they always have a fin to spare, they can't reallly be all that terrible with money if that's the case.
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I hear they always have a fin to spare, they can't reallly be all that terrible with money if that's the case.
You know, I've heard that as well. Maybe the noob has some information we've overlooked?
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I listen to all political views from every spectrum. Being a conservative myself, I can agree with what some of the pundits believe, but Republicans are fake conservatives. They hide under a conservative banner, but never stand up to the true core qualities. They only go after spending that does not affect them. Any project these people have, they want to have full commitment. Tax breaks are necessary, but its only those sectors that lobbied for it which get it. What a true conservative should do is push for tax simplification or a flat tax. Big companies spend millions in their legal departments just to avoid paying them and we as Americans pay for it through the tax breaks. When it comes to illegal aliens its not cut and dry. They come over the borders to get work because their countries have no labor laws in place to ensure a fair wage. The Republicans pushed for free trade when they should have pushed fair trade. This would have slowed down the flow. This topic is only an election talking point because we had an amnesty during the Regan administration with the Republicans stating that they would tighten the borders once those in the country were nationalized. This never happened. Our country should go after those business owners who employ illegals through heavy fines and jail time. When those illegals realize there is no work, they will volunteer to go back to their country of origin, but it takes real conservatives to stand their ground and not caucus with a party that would sell out their own mothers for another term in office. Additionally, true conservatives should push term limits for all elected offices. We cannot afford to allow these politicians to be royalty, nor accrued a pension which tax payers have to cover. The house reps spend more time campaigning that figuring out how to solve this countries problems. Last, stop with the social conservatism in the government. We spend way too much time legislating morality than trying to fix this countries financial issues. Our founders were God fearing, but wanted government to be separate. We have to elect independent conservatives to focus on the necessary issues. If not, the demise of this wonderful nation is going to happen. Conservatives wake up!!!!!
You claimed not to generalize us, but your writing gives it away.
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I listen to all political views from every spectrum. Being a conservative myself, I can agree with what some of the pundits believe, but Republicans are fake conservatives. They hide under a conservative banner, but never stand up to the true core qualities. They only go after spending that does not affect them. Any project these people have, they want to have full commitment. Tax breaks are necessary, but its only those sectors that lobbied for it which get it. What a true conservative should do is push for tax simplification or a flat tax. Big companies spend millions in their legal departments just to avoid paying them and we as Americans pay for it through the tax breaks. When it comes to illegal aliens its not cut and dry. They come over the borders to get work because their countries have no labor laws in place to ensure a fair wage. The Republicans pushed for free trade when they should have pushed fair trade. This would have slowed down the flow. This topic is only an election talking point because we had an amnesty during the Regan administration with the Republicans stating that they would tighten the borders once those in the country were nationalized. This never happened. Our country should go after those business owners who employ illegals through heavy fines and jail time. When those illegals realize there is no work, they will volunteer to go back to their country of origin, but it takes real conservatives to stand their ground and not caucus with a party that would sell out their own mothers for another term in office. Additionally, true conservatives should push term limits for all elected offices. We cannot afford to allow these politicians to be royalty, nor accrued a pension which tax payers have to cover. The house reps spend more time campaigning that figuring out how to solve this countries problems. Last, stop with the social conservatism in the government. We spend way too much time legislating morality than trying to fix this countries financial issues. Our founders were God fearing, but wanted government to be separate. We have to elect independent conservatives to focus on the necessary issues. If not, the demise of this wonderful nation is going to happen. Conservatives wake up!!!!!
Anyone who has to point out they're a "true" conservative (in the 2nd sentence no less) probably isn't. That said, what does listening to all political views have to do with anything? What pundits? What beliefs? BTW, it's the job of the writer to make his/her point clear. It's NOT evident you're talking about politicians. The prior sentence mentions pundits who, to the best of my knowledge, analyze politics and politicians.
What spending do they go after? (Frankly I don't see them cutting much regardless of who it does or doesn't benefit).
I'm a "true" conservative and I don't think tax breaks for EVERYONE, including corporations are a bad thing. The more disposable income a company has the more workers they can hire. How is that a bad thing? I do, however, think I've read this sentiment on DU several times. The spend millions on lawyers so they won't have to pay millions in taxes? Well, I certainly hope those millions they're paying to the lawyers is less than what they'd pay to the government. Besides, businesses exist to make profits and corporations especially are beholden to stockholders. The more they save, the more that goes into my mutual fund.
With illegal aliens it IS cut and dry. What part of illegal is confusing? I don't give a flying rip what their labor laws are. Why don't they stay in their countries and work to make their labor laws better? What's a fair wage? Who judges? In a country with a lower cost of living, wages can be significantly lower and still be considered a living wage. These people should care enough about their own country and lives of their families to make their lives better.
What do you mean when you say fair trade? Is it the kind of fair trade they advertise on the packages of the coffee beans I buy? So far you sound like a liberal trying to wrap yourself in a conservative phrase or two.
Also, a true conservative SHOULD care about the morality of the country. As John Adam's said, "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." What morality has been legislated that you object to? Last time I checked the federal government pretty much accepts that it's okay to suck a baby halfway out of it's mother's womb and stab it in the head. DOMA? Even democrats supported that.
Our founders wanted what to be separate? If you're talking about the establishment clause, that has been the most distorted amendment in the constitution. NO WHERE does it say religion should be separate, just that the we should not have a national religion. And while religion gives a foundation for morality one does not need to be religious to be moral. There are several people on this board who are atheists who have a higher moral code than some of the Christians I know.
Oh, and another thing. Every true conservative should know the government can't "fix" the economy. The best thing they can do to help the economy is get out of the way and let the free market work. Every time the government sticks it's hand in the private sector things go to hell. That's why it's gotten worse instead of better.
And who the hell are you to come here and lecture us after only 6 posts? I'd bet just about anything you're either very young or trying to pose as a conservative because many of these things we read on DU every single day. The thing is, if you are liberal, it's no big deal. Just fess up and try to defend your positions. Being an arrogant jerk isn't going to get you very far.
Oh, and paragraphs are your friends.
Cindie
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Now usually when someone comes in and starts talking about "True Conservatives" - they wind up being a Paultard or a troll.
Especially the ones that don't understand basic spelling, grammar, and the proper use of paragraphs. ::)
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Yah....aughn...
Ah, the quiet libertarian sector is being heard from.
How do you feel about the military?
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After the thrashing this noob has gotten, it is doubtful that he/she/it will be back.
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Thanks for the backup, everyone. You brought up things I noticed about him/her/it but didn't want to waste my time posting.