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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Janice on June 19, 2011, 11:49:22 AM
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42 year old 'she' and her girl friend of 6 years
Caught with his trousers down... Chaz Bono has to readjust his bottoms during a pit stop at a petrol station (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2004685/Chaz-Bono-readjusts-pit-stop-petrol-station.html)
Two years into his gender reassignment process and Chaz Bono looks every bit the man he wants to be. The transgender son of pop superstar Cher was born female, but has spent the past few years slowly becoming male. And he had a typically masculine moment when he adjusted his trousers in public while stopping off for petrol in Hollywood. The 42-year-old was about as far removed from his past as one could imagine with his stocky build, manly gait and a short cropped hair.
Chaz Bono is the son of Cher and Sonny Bono. While growing up, he says he always felt uncomfortable and, after years of feeling out of place, he realised he was not Chastity but Chaz. And so he came out as transgendered and initiated the transition from female to male.
Chaz is stocky? Yeah, the way Rosie O'Donnell and Rozanne Barr are stocky. Being the daughter of Cher had to make her life a living Hell, but this isn't the way to deal with it. And it ain't a "he" it's a "her". The DNA don't lie. No matter how much she hates it, she's still a woman. Cutting and pasting doesn't change who you are. Btw ... what's lacking in her isn't a body part.
Disgusting.
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Considering she's stated publicly on TV that she has no plans for acquiring a penis...this is a rather odd article, and not exactly based on fact.
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acquiring a penis
Exactly how does one "acquire a penis?" I mean, I saw a really graphic documentary on a Canadian channel that I happened to pick up on rabbit ears a while back where a woman "acquired a penis" by having one made out of skin from her leg. But, I mean, if all you can do with it is pee, what the hell is the point?
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Homosexuality is a mental illness. Its demonstrated time and again.
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Weird. She must have grown up knowing she would never have the glamor her mother had, rebelled and tried to get as far away from comparisons to her as she could. How tragic for a child to have such extremely vain and narcissistic parentage.
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I watch a show on Chaz and I really actually liked him/her. He is more normal than Cher could ever hope to be.
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Perhaps she is truly a homosexual and the amount of pressure one must go through in society can certainly make someone unstable. I disagree in that homosexuality is a mental illness. Yes, there are flaming drama queens and the list goes on, but at the same time the heterosexual society has it's share of wack jobs.
Interestingly enough Sigmund Freud believed that humans were bisexuals until their experiences with their parents, peers and then became either hetero or homosexual.
I have seen animals that are bisexual. Interesting. I don't condemn, nor condone it. It is what it is and here to stay.
I may be a Conservative Christian, but I personally believe that being gay is obviously different. I'm different, I'm bisexual, so in my life, Freud forgot those that remained bisexuals? hmmm...I wonder what he'd think about that? My cousin (God rest his soul) was gay. He died at 15 in an terrible accident.
I suppose it you're missing a phallus and you cannot use it was meant to be, then perhaps just knowing that it was there, it could make someone feel complete. Perhaps it pleases her partner..or who knows...there's plenty of sexual acts that are performed between a woman and a man that only one person is receiving direct pleasure...although, the other person is receiving pleasure from seeing the other person being pleased.
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Exactly how does one "acquire a penis?" I mean, I saw a really graphic documentary on a Canadian channel that I happened to pick up on rabbit ears a while back where a woman "acquired a penis" by having one made out of skin from her leg. But, I mean, if all you can do with it is pee, what the hell is the point?
It is made from skin from the leg, and includes some muscle from the thigh, with a penile implant inside. I think it's the same type of penile implant that is used in men who have one in order to get an erection - not like Viagra or Cialis, but from an accident causing paralysis or cancer, etc.
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I may be a Conservative Christian
I'm bisexual
You're neither.
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Why does "it" always look like it has to take a dump?
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She was cute in her younger days
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_03/011sonnyandcher_228x375.jpg)
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Weird. She must have grown up knowing she would never have the glamor her mother had, rebelled and tried to get as far away from comparisons to her as she could. How tragic for a child to have such extremely vain and narcissistic parentage.
Did Chastity Bono (sorry; your chromosomes say X-X, not X-Y, so no matter how you try to deny it, you're a female, honey) have a mother that WASN'T Cher? 'Cause unless she did, her mama has always looked like she had an Ugly Forest clear-cut on top of her. :puke:
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What a shame.
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You're neither.
H5 for truth.
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What a shame.
This is proof.
A beautiful woman mutilates herself until she is a circus freak. I stand by my mental illness statement.
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You're neither.
That's quite judgmental.
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Exactly how does one "acquire a penis?" I mean, I saw a really graphic documentary on a Canadian channel that I happened to pick up on rabbit ears a while back where a woman "acquired a penis" by having one made out of skin from her leg. But, I mean, if all you can do with it is pee, what the hell is the point?
For a price, you can put in an order with the Red Chinese. Then, the next time they disassemble an executed enemy of the state, they'll box up his tallywhacker and ship it to you with an icepack, just like Omaha Steaks. Since it's Chinese, you may want to order two.
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That's quite judgmental.
Duly noted, don't care.
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My cousin (God rest his soul) was gay. He died at 15 in an terrible accident.
I'd be the first to say I don't know your cousin, but you're going to have to go a LOOOOONG way to show how ANYBODY at the age of 14-15 isn't confused about sex/sexual orientation in general.
This is my problem with the gay agenda. Many (not all) go waaaay out of their way to illustrate how "cool" it is to be gay or bisexual or even tranny to kids who can't even wipe their asses correctly at that age.
As a result, some of these kids actually may think they're gay when they're not. They're just kids and are expected to be confused for awhile -- and just how long they're confused is wholly dependent on their legal age, as it stands now.
So any attempt by anybody to portray some kid at 14 as being gay is simply ridiculous on its face.
Leave the kid alone to sort things out, or if necessary, bring 'em to talk about FACTS -- not agendas.
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Silk purse meet sows ear.
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Duly noted, don't care.
Trust me, I don't lose sleep over you. Food for thought, since you are the oracle of the conservative cave; can a Republican be an atheist?
I'd be the first to say I don't know your cousin, but you're going to have to go a LOOOOONG way to show how ANYBODY at the age of 14-15 isn't confused about sex/sexual orientation in general.
With all due respect Eupher, if you met my cousin, there would be no doubt in your mind.
This is my problem with the gay agenda. Many (not all) go waaaay out of their way to illustrate how "cool" it is to be gay or bisexual or even tranny to kids who can't even wipe their asses correctly at that age.
He was only 15, never thought of being "cool", he was just born that way. His feminine characteristics were incredibly obvious...which totally took his father off kilter. His father was extremely masculine and although he didn't like it, he loved his son as he was. That's one of many things I admire my uncle for. Philip was always playing dolls, makeup as he got older, his hair and all his facial features, even his voice were all girl...he was indeed, a boy born in the wrong body.As a result, some of these kids actually may think they're gay when they're not. They're just kids and are expected to be confused for awhile -- and just how long they're confused is wholly dependent on their legal age, as it stands now.
So any attempt by anybody to portray some kid at 14 as being gay is simply ridiculous on its face.
Leave the kid alone to sort things out, or if necessary, bring 'em to talk about FACTS -- not agendas.
I understand your position and I partially agree with you; there are times when people know this at a very young age. Take Chelsea...she said she knew when she was thirteen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaz_Bono).
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I must say, she makes a very handsome man. Reminds me of the ending of Murder by Death.
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there are times when people know this at a very young age. Take Chelsea...she said she knew when she was thirteen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaz_Bono).
Bull. Teens at that age think they know everything but they don't. I doubt a teen can honestly say that.
on the other hand,
Maybe her mental illness started kicking in at that point.
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Trust me, I don't lose sleep over you. Food for thought, since you are the oracle of the conservative cave; can a Republican be an atheist?
With all due respect Eupher, if you met my cousin, there would be no doubt in your mind.He was only 15, never thought of being "cool", he was just born that way. His feminine characteristics were incredibly obvious...which totally took his father off kilter. His father was extremely masculine and although he didn't like it, he loved his son as he was. That's one of many things I admire my uncle for. Philip was always playing dolls, makeup as he got older, his hair and all his facial features, even his voice were all girl...he was indeed, a girl born in the wrong body. I understand your position and I partially agree with you; there are times when people know this at a very young age. Take Chelsea...she said she knew when she was thirteen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaz_Bono).
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Trust me, I don't lose sleep over you.
Duly noted, don't care, could give a damn less than a squeaky fart.
Food for thought, since you are the oracle of the conservative cave
What makes you think I view myself as some type of internet "oracle" or wise man? Are you trying to elevate me to a status that I neither seek, nor claim, or are you making an attempt at being a smartass?
And while we're at it, "conservative cave" is capitalized, as you would with any proper noun, ie Conservative Cave. If you are trying to appear intellectual, at least make an attempt to use the proper grammar.
can a Republican be an atheist?
I have a better idea, why don't you save your strawman for your next attempt at an internet bonfire and explain exactly how the tenants of the Christian Faith line up with homosexual acts.
Feel free to quote the relevant scripture.
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Firechild, with all due respect to your cousin, I patently reject any claim to sexual orientation that a kid of 15 makes of him/herself.
The kid isn't mature enough to understand what's going on inside the body, much less what to do about it.
It's really that simple.
Your stories about dolls and makeup and voices and all the rest of your anecdotal information is just that -- anecdotal.
Anecdotal information may have value to the storyteller, but it has little value to those who are willing to discuss FACTS.
Now, until you can point me toward some information that is conclusive regarding a child of 15 and how said child is confirmed as being the opposite sex that it's born with AT THAT AGE, I'm chalking this story up to be more bullshit from a GLBT preacher.
Until then, thanks for playing, and keep coming back.
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Duly noted, don't care, could give a damn less than a squeaky fart.
lol okie
What makes you think I view myself as some type of internet "oracle" or wise man? Are you trying to elevate me to a status that I neither seek, nor claim, or are you making an attempt at being a smartass?
I didn't state you were wise, I was just having fun (:
And while we're at it, "conservative cave" is capitalized, as you would with any proper noun, ie Conservative Cave. If you are trying to appear intellectual, at least make an attempt to use the proper grammar.
Whoa, now you're the "grammar police" too ???
I have a better idea, why don't you save your strawman for your next attempt at an internet bonfire and explain exactly how the tenants of the Christian Faith line up with homosexual acts.
Feel free to quote the relevant scripture.
I shall quote you two:
John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son so that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life." (NIV)
1 Corinthians 6:11 - "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (NIV).
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Firechild, with all due respect to your cousin, I patently reject any claim to sexual orientation that a kid of 15 makes of him/herself.
The kid isn't mature enough to understand what's going on inside the body, much less what to do about it.
It's really that simple.
Your stories about dolls and makeup and voices and all the rest of your anecdotal information is just that -- anecdotal.
Anecdotal information may have value to the storyteller, but it has little value to those who are willing to discuss FACTS.
Now, until you can point me toward some information that is conclusive regarding a child of 15 and how said child is confirmed as being the opposite sex that it's born with AT THAT AGE, I'm chalking this story up to be more bullshit from a GLBT preacher.
Until then, thanks for playing, and keep coming back.
I shall keep coming back and I totally respect your views even though we agree to disagree and play nice (: lol
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Whoa, now you're the "grammar police" too ???
Nope, just tired of DUmbasses trying to act "smart".
I shall quote you two:
John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son so that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life." (NIV)
Can you quote the rest of the scripture from which you are reading? The one that has the next sentence that says "So go ahead and commit sodomy, you're covered". Apparently it's missing from any copy I have in the house or any one that I find on the internet.
1 Corinthians 6:11 - "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (NIV).
Oh, this one is cute but you missed a little bit of it:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I Corinthians 6:9-11
Considering that you completely failed in being able to somehow or another line up the Christian faith with committing sodomy like anyone with an ounce of common sense knew you would, my initial point stands - on being a "Conservative Christian" and a "bisexual", you are neither.
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Romans 2: 1-5
"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man?you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself?that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed."
Apparently, you're overlooking the fact that you're not only a closed minded person, but filled with your own venom, hatred to those that are different than you and playing God. You're not the judge. I am not really that different that you. No, I'm not a redneck, but I do have them as friends. I am bisexual but I promise, I don't have a bigger wiener than you. I kinda like the parts God gave me :D I am a Conservative Christian whether you agree with me or not, makes no difference to me.
Bi-Sexuals, gays, all can be saved.....
New International Version (©1984)
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
New Living Translation (©2007)
For "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved."
English Standard Version (©2001)
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.â€
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
International Standard Version (©2008)
"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
So then, "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
King James Bible
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
American King James Version
For whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
American Standard Version
for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Bible in Basic English
Because, Whoever will give worship to the name of the Lord will get salvation.
Douay-Rheims Bible
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
Darby Bible Translation
For every one whosoever, who shall call on the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
English Revised Version
for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Webster's Bible Translation
For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Weymouth New Testament
For "every one, without exception, who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
World English Bible
For, "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Young's Literal Translation
for every one -- whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, he shall be saved.'
You have about as much right to tell me who or what I am, than I do calling you a redneck.
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Oh, my, it would seem that I have hit a nerve.
Romans 2: 1-5
"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man?you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself?that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed."
Let me guess, you are one of these "you can't judge me" types that thinks we aren't responsible for bearing each other up and keeping each other in line. Does that sum it up?
Take a look at the parts I bolded for you. If you have one ounce of honesty or understanding you will see where, in trying to hurl some invective guilt at me, you forgot one minor detail: I don't engage in homosexual activity.
You fail, Firechild, again.
Apparently, you're overlooking the fact that you're not only a closed minded person, but filled with your own venom, hatred to those that are different than you and playing God.
So, when pressed to back up your words with scripture that aligns homosexual acts and Christianity, and you have shown that it can't be done, you seek to try and intimate something is wrong with me.
You don't understand the tenants of the faith you claim to follow, you have been shown where you are wrong, when shown to be wrong you decide that I'm "close minded" and "filled with my own venom". Interesting... This is the standard, canned pap that liberals love to hurl around and I've heard it many times before you, will hear it many times after I'm sure.
I guess we can now rule out "Conservative" as well.
You're not the judge.
I never claimed to be. All I did was show you where you were completely, totally, utterly wrong. How you live your life is up to you; it's you that has to pay for your sins in eternity, sweetheart.
I am not really that different that you.
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I guess you're not if we throw out that pesky gay sex thing.
No, I'm not a redneck, but I do have them as friends.
And this has to do with what, exactly?
Oh, sorry, I get it! :thatsright: You are still trying to say something is wrong with me for telling you that you are wrong.
I am bisexual
No, you're not. There is no such thing as "bisexual". You either engage in homosexual activity or you do not. And, if you do, you will not enter the Kingdom of God (as shown in I Corinthians 6:9-11). Not my words, Firechild....
but I promise, I don't have a bigger wiener than you
Duly noted, don't care, nice try.
I kinda like the parts God gave me
If that is the case, why do you use them in a manner not prescribed by Him? Why would you use them in a manner such that ensures you will never see Him?
Pretty strange behavior for a "Conservative Christian"...
I am a Conservative Christian whether you agree with me or not, makes no difference to me.
You may call yourself one, but you most assuredly are not one. The written Word of the Living God seems to say differently.
Bi-Sexuals, gays, all can be saved.....
Absolutely, Firechild. Along with murders, pedophiles, drug dealers, etcetera.
Again, one minor detail - they all have to stop doing what they are doing and walk a new path, not return to their sin as a dog would to it's vomit (Proverbs 26:1). That one minor detail is where you fail.
Again.
You have about as much right to tell me who or what I am
I don't claim it as a "right", sweetheart, I am calling you on your bullshit.
than I do calling you a redneck.
You mean like you tried to do upthread?
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Call me whatever you like, Firechild, I have been called much worse by much better. Still doesn't change the fact that you are not "bisexual", you are no "Conservative", and you are most definitely not a "Christian". The more you post, the more it shows.
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For your edification here is an except from my blog: and I only do this because Firechild brought it up.
What the Bible really says about Homosexuality.
From Leviticus to the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, God has been consistent about how He felt about homosexuality. But it fits into a nutshell right here in Corinthians.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
The Word is clear. Unrepentant (practicing) homosexuals who die in their sin, GO TO HELL. They can go to church, they can call themselves a Christian...but if they are practicing homosexuals when they die--they will spend eternity in Hell.
This passage lists a number of sins that offer the same consequences for unrepentance. An unrepentant thief goes straight to hell as well.
BUT, no other sin listed in that passage has a number of followers out to forcibly legalize their sin-calling sin a civil right.
When Jesus stopped the stoning of the adulteress, He told her to. "Go and sin no more." Repentance doesn't mean perfection, or a lack of struggle...The sin must stop! If a gay or lesbian isn't even attempting to stop the sin-They will burn: end of story.
The Bible is not a politically correct document. God doesn’t care about the opinions of kings or pop culture. The Bible is God’s divine revelation to man. A person does not get to pick and chose which of God’s Words he wants to believe. It’s all or nothing. Being a fundamentalist is believing that God meant what He said.
The bottom line is this: Jesus can transform you into a new being. If He can take a drunkard from this list and give that person the strength to throw off the chains of addiction, so God can transform the homosexual. It’s not by your strength, but by His.
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OK folks......let's calm it down and get the thread back on topic.
When "FireChild" reaches the appropriate post threshold, you can discuss this in Fight Club if you wish.
What I'm seeing is getting painfully close to the personal attack level.
Cool it!!
doc
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Call me whatever you like, Firechild, I have been called much worse by much better.
There is no one on this Board that I am less than, nor in the world for that matter, but I don't take offense to your statement since I know that you've been trying to press my buttons since I stated my sexual preference.
Did you ever ask me if I practice bisexuality? I said, I am bisexual, I don't practice it, I am Christian, but I'm not going to denounce and judge anyone else for what they do...
Oh and btw, I didn't criticize you even if you were a redneck, I saw that you used that for your title. No need to start arguments where there is none.
I suppose I will not discuss this topic here any longer as requested by doc...I am not at the appropriate posting level. However say this much.. I came here because you and the other members of this forum are my brothers and sisters in Conservatism. I can't make you believe what I have to say, no more than a liberal is going to have the same mindset as a conservative.
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There is no one on this Board that I am less than, nor in the world for that matter, but I don't take offense to your statement since I know that you've been trying to press my buttons since I stated my sexual preference.
Did you ever ask me if I practice bisexuality? I said, I am bisexual, I don't practice it, I am Christian, but I'm not going to denounce and judge anyone else for what they do...
Oh and btw, I didn't criticize you even if you were a redneck, I saw that you used that for your title. No need to start arguments where there is none.
I suppose I will not discuss this topic here any longer as requested by doc...I am not at the appropriate posting level. However say this much.. I came here because you and the other members of this forum are my brothers and sisters in Conservatism. I can't make you believe what I have to say, no more than a liberal is going to have the same mindset as a conservative.
Fair enough.