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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: thundley4 on June 07, 2011, 10:26:54 AM
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Is now a fundraising site for Obama . http://www.whitehouse.gov/
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oRBP5T9rHog/Teq8QeM3kAI/AAAAAAAACbI/vZtQ7fmQ3H8/s1600/whitehouse.gov.jpg)
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Ok, now this, IMO, falls within "high crimes and misdemeanors"
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This was Bush's about the same time during his first term:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030613130437/http://www.whitehouse.gov/
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20040101000000*/http://whitehouse.gov
Obama is a narcissistic dick.
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This was Bush's about the same time during his first term:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030613130437/http://www.whitehouse.gov/
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20040101000000*/http://whitehouse.gov
Obama is a narcissistic dick.
I didn't see anything even remotely resembling a campaign blitz.
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I didn't see anything even remotely resembling a campaign blitz.
And you won't, because that's the difference between Bush 43, misguided in many respects, but an honorable guy, and the current asswipe in the White Mosque.
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And you won't, because that's the difference between Bush 43, misguided in many respects, but an honorable guy, and the current asswipe in the White Mosque.
An honorable guy who authorized torture. Not saying Obama is much better(Id argue hes worse) just dont get any misconceptions about Bush. He was a scumbag through and through.
Is now a fundraising site for Obama . http://www.whitehouse.gov/
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oRBP5T9rHog/Teq8QeM3kAI/AAAAAAAACbI/vZtQ7fmQ3H8/s1600/whitehouse.gov.jpg)
"Receive updates from president Obama and other white house officials." (Picture of Obama)
How does any of this constitute political campaigning?
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An honorable guy who authorized torture. Not saying Obama is much better(Id argue hes worse) just dont get any misconceptions about Bush. He was a scumbag through and through.
"Receive updates from president Obama and other white house officials." (Picture of Obama)
How does any of this constitute political campaigning?
OMG, he tortured KSM... Sorry. Cannot give a damn.
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OMG, he tortured KSM... Sorry. Cannot give a damn.
Well since you dont give a shit about breaking international law Im sure you dont care about the constitution.
4th amendment ring a bell? How about illegal wiretaps?
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Well since you dont give a shit about breaking international law Im sure you dont care about the constitution.
4th amendment ring a bell? How about illegal wiretaps?
4th Amendment? for KSM? You gotta be shitting me. When are you libs gonna realize that the Constitution only protects citizens?
And your international law BS is just that, BS. As an illegal enemy combatant, KSM or any other terrorist/insurgent is treated as a spy and we have the right under the Geneva Convention to question them and then summarily execute them. That's international law.
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Well since you dont give a shit about breaking international law Im sure you dont care about the constitution.
4th amendment ring a bell? How about illegal wiretaps?
What the hell does international law have to do with the Constitution? The Constitution trumps international law. I could give a rat's ass what the UN or Greece or China thinks. Almost every president has had some kind of similar wiretapping program. Hell, Clinton and Janet Reno thought posse comitatus didn't apply to them, brought in the tanks and obliterated a bunch of little children. Koresh left the compound to go in to town quite often. There's no rational reason he couldn't have been grabbed during one these trips. Somehow torturing the mastermind of 9/11 pales in comparison.
The dems had the perfect opportunity to get rid of wiretapping (which they STILL have to get a warrant for) when they took control but they didn't. Nor does the 4th amendment apply to terrorists. It certainly doesn't apply to noncitizens who are planning our demise or are captured on the battlefield.
Cindie
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Well since you dont give a shit about breaking international law Im sure you dont care about the constitution.
4th amendment ring a bell? How about illegal wiretaps?
Illegal wiretaps...link please?
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Well since you dont give a shit about breaking international law Im sure you dont care about the constitution.
4th amendment ring a bell? How about illegal wiretaps?
The 4th amendment does not apply to a foreign terrorist captured on foreign soil. Sorry, newbie. I don't feel the least bit sorry for a guy that plotted to fly planes loaded with innocent people into buildings loaded with more innocent people. He should consider himself damned lucky that he's only been waterboarded.
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An honorable guy who authorized torture. Not saying Obama is much better(Id argue hes worse) just dont get any misconceptions about Bush. He was a scumbag through and through.
You're contradicting yourself, n00b, when you admit that he's an honorable guy and yet call him a scumbag.
George W. Bush doesn't need me to defend him, but I'd submit he has more honor in his little finger than you'll EVER find in that dear darling Libland you hang out in.
My fellow posters have already torn you a new asshole with respect to your so-called foray into international law vice the Constitution, so I'll just leave that the way it is.
When you come back after having licked your wounds, let's discuss "torture" a little more, because I don't believe in your flaccid little peabrain that you have a clue what that is.
Waterboarding, in case you're interested, is simply another way for your muzzie terrorist friends to get a bath -- a long-awaited, much-needed bath. When the terrorist ****s drown as a result of waterboarding, then we can talk about torture. Until then, go play in traffic (after your wounds heal, of course -- I wouldn't want you to bleed on the pavement).
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Well since you dont give a shit about breaking international law Im sure you dont care about the constitution.
4th amendment ring a bell? How about illegal wiretaps?
Define, "International law."
Oh, and who originally pushed for wiretaps in the first place? And illegal? FISA ring a bell?
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Illegal wiretaps...link please?
You won't get such a link, except for maybe far left, USA hating sites.
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You won't get such a link, except for maybe far left, USA hating sites.
I'm sure the kid's got some sort of backup for these allegations. Otherwise, he's just trolling. Right?
Right?
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I'm sure the kid's got some sort of backup for these allegations. Otherwise, he's just trolling. Right?
Right?
That's been my opinion from his first appearance here.
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Summer school hasn't started yet, so he's hunkering down in mommy's basement waiting for an opportunity to spread more goober dust.
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What the hell does international law have to do with the Constitution? The Constitution trumps international law. I could give a rat's ass what the UN or Greece or China thinks. Almost every president has had some kind of similar wiretapping program. Hell, Clinton and Janet Reno thought posse comitatus didn't apply to them, brought in the tanks and obliterated a bunch of little children. Koresh left the compound to go in to town quite often. There's no rational reason he couldn't have been grabbed during one these trips. Somehow torturing the mastermind of 9/11 pales in comparison.
The dems had the perfect opportunity to get rid of wiretapping (which they STILL have to get a warrant for) when they took control but they didn't. Nor does the 4th amendment apply to terrorists. It certainly doesn't apply to noncitizens who are planning our demise or are captured on the battlefield.
Cindie
The Democrats are awful. Saying "Well, the Democrats did it too" is no excuse. People use the same excuse regarding Al-Queda, "Well, we'll start subscribing to the Geneva Conventions when Al Queda does" and things like that. Being better than Al-Queda or better than the Democrats is not enough, we have to actually be good.
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You won't get such a link, except for maybe far left, USA hating sites.
I'd expect links on Clinton's illegal wiretaps to come from the right, personally.
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I'd expect links on Clinton's illegal wiretaps to come from the right, personally.
Thanks for making my point.
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Well since you dont give a shit about breaking international law
And I'm sure that you can cite, word for word, exactly which international law that was broken.
Im sure you dont care about the constitution.
Like you ****ing know anything about the United States Constitution.
:lmao:
4th amendment ring a bell?
Enemy combatant (terrorist), foreign national, not part of standing state army nor marked as militia, no rights under the United States Constitution ring a bell?
How about illegal wiretaps?
How about them? Why don't you tell us all about them?
Make sure you provide links to actual evidence and judicial finding, not alternet or huffpo or some other dipshit leftist political porn site.
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An honorable guy who authorized torture. Not saying Obama is much better(Id argue hes worse) just dont get any misconceptions about Bush. He was a scumbag through and through.
"Receive updates from president Obama and other white house officials." (Picture of Obama)
How does any of this constitute political campaigning?
So Obama should be tried at the Hague and hanged at dawn, right?
Or does only Bush deserve that fate?
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You're contradicting yourself, n00b, when you admit that he's an honorable guy and yet call him a scumbag
Lrn2 Sarcasm.
You won't get such a link, except for maybe far left, USA hating sites.
Are you people honestly this ignorant of the world around you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act
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Lrn2 Sarcasm.
Are you people honestly this ignorant of the world around you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act
Sorry. Maybe you misunderstood. I'm looking for the illegal part. Says on Wiki that it was passed by the house and senate, and signed into law. By definition, I'd say that's legal.
You said "illegal" wiretapping. Can you back that up?
So, once again, can I have a link, please?
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Lrn2 Sarcasm.
Oh, a smartass! Goody! I love smartasses!!! Tell you what, ****face -- I'll learn sarcasm when you can learn how to spell.
Howzat for sarcasm, dipshit? :-)
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Uh oh. A Wikipedia link. Jeffy brought his A-game tonight.
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Uh oh. A Wikipedia link. Jeffy brought his A-game tonight.
Jeffy's Mommy has him on a very short internet leash. That's to keep him off of porn sites and such. And she restricts him to Wikipedia only. That's so he can learn the lib way of doing things.
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Lrn2 Sarcasm.
Are you people honestly this ignorant of the world around you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act
HELLO!!!! McFLY!!!!
No less a liberal than Senator Dianne Feinstein had her staff go through some 20,000 (yes, TWENTY THOUSAND) claims of abuses at the hand of the Patriot Act. You know how many were substantiated?
Zero. None. Not. A. ****ing. ONE.
Now also consider who was the person back in the 1990's to first suggest a version of the Patriot Act. I'll give you a hint: he currently has his "official" residence at Number One Observatory Circle.
Oh, and reliance upon "Teh Wiki" as a credible source? FAIL.
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Huh. Still waiting.
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HELLO!!!! McFLY!!!!
No less a liberal than Senator Dianne Feinstein had her staff go through some 20,000 (yes, TWENTY THOUSAND) claims of abuses at the hand of the Patriot Act. You know how many were substantiated?
Zero. None. Not. A. ****ing. ONE.
Now also consider who was the person back in the 1990's to first suggest a version of the Patriot Act. I'll give you a hint: he currently has his "official" residence at Number One Observatory Circle.
Oh, and reliance upon "Teh Wiki" as a credible source? FAIL.
I dont understand your debate style. Instead of actually adressing what I said you just go "OH YEAH WELL THE DEMOCRATS DID THIS". Its dialectic equivelent of "NO U". Im not defending Obama, Im not defending the scumbags in the Democratic party, yet for some reason you feel the need to defend Bush to the death. Even though he started a completely pointless war, even though he drove up the national debt, even though he wiped his ass on the 4th amendment. You still feel the need to defending him, I thought you were a conservative? Or perhaps you should rename the board to "Neo-Conservative Cave"
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Also,
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/
Read this and still tell me its constitutional, or even ethical. Keep defending the Neo-Cons, prove to me that real conservatism is dead.
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Also,
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/
Read this and still tell me its constitutional, or even ethical. Keep defending the Neo-Cons, prove to me that real conservatism is dead.
I'm curious Jeff.....do you know what a NeoCon actually is??
I'll save you the trip to Wikipedia:
A NeoCon is a group of Jewish "blue dog" democrat writers, pundits, columnists, and politicians who finally got tired of dealing with the fact that the Democrat party had morphed into a bunch of cowards, pansies, and wimps.....when it came to the national security of the United States and its allies.
They decided that the conservative side of the political spectrum was the only place that they could find common ground with the concept of a strong US military, and the projection of US power abroad when it is in our national interest........
I'll take them....any day. We consider that description a complement around these parts.
doc
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Also,
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/
Read this and still tell me its constitutional, or even ethical. Keep defending the Neo-Cons, prove to me that real conservatism is dead.
lol.
"Secret" patriot act. Double secret law interpretations....
Drawn up by the Illuminat? or the Knights Templar? Elvis? Which one?
Do you have a link to illegal wiretaps?
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I'm curious Jeff.....do you know what a NeoCon actually is??
I'll save you the trip to Wikipedia:
A NeoCon is a group of Jewish "blue dog" democrat writers, pundits, columnists, and politicians who finally got tired of dealing with the fact that the Democrat party had morphed into a bunch of cowards, pansies, and wimps.....when it came to the national security of the United States and its allies.
They decided that the conservative side of the political spectrum was the only place that they could find common ground with the concept of a strong US military, and the projection of US power abroad when it is in our national interest........
Whats up with the 'Jewish' emphasis?
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Whats up with the 'Jewish' emphasis?
Two reasons:
First, the definition is accurate......the original NeoCons were nearly exclusively Jewish......
And second: Use of the word "NeoCon" as a pejorative by liberals/progressives/socialists/communists, demonstrates their latent antisemitism.........they all have it, they all use it.........they consider them turncoats....... it's their codeword, just like referring to conservative blacks as "Uncle Toms".
A liberal (like perhaps yourself) calling someone a "NeoCon" is an ethnic slur that they think they can get away with.
We see it as a badge of honor.......people who have wised up: Neo = "New", Con - "Conservatives",
All are welcome in the conservative movement, even if we don't see eye-to-eye on every issue.
doc
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I didnt know Dick Cheney was Jewish. So if I oppose something that was invented by a jewish person but that isnt inherently Jewish and is now mostly non-Jewish Im an anti-semite?
Youre worse than people who say Im racist for not support Barrack Obama.
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I didnt know Dick Cheney was Jewish.
No. No.
He's just serving the bidding of his Zionist AIPAC overlords.
However, just because you haven't heard the cat-calls doesn't mean they don't exist:
How Neoconservatives Conquered Washington – and Launched a War
by Michael Lind
April 10, 2003
...Most neoconservative defense intellectuals have their roots on the left, not the right. They are products of the influential Jewish-American sector of the Trotskyist movement of the 1930s and 1940s, ...
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/lind1.html
[Cheney] got the neocon doctrine at AEI; and that was that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and we have to change regimes to make the Middle East safe for the west. Cheney fell in love with Bernard Lewis, a leading neocon. Had him to the White House, toasted him at his birthday. Cheney believes Bernard Lewis. The brains that came in from AEI were people like David Wurmser and Richard Perle. These guys didn't care about oil, they care about Israel and ending the Oslo peace process, taking the world's eyes off the Israeli occupation.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/18/oh_come_on_lets_blame_the_israel_lobby_for_iraq/
Walt and Mearsheimer, you’ll remember, gained national attention in 2006 when they published a paper arguing that the “Israel lobby†wields enormous power over American foreign policy. Part of their argument was undoubtedly true: AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations do wield great power in Washington...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-12-06/what-the-neocons-really-want/
Whether you call it the Israel Lobby or AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) or the Neocons...
http://www.openleft.com/diary/19474/chicken-hawk-neocons-target-vice-admiral-joe-sestak
And it goes on like that.
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I didn't know Dick Cheney was Jewish. So if I oppose something that was invented by a Jewish person but that isn't inherently Jewish and is now mostly non-Jewish I'm an anti-semite?
Youre worse than people who say Im racist for not support Barrack Obama.
First......Dick Cheney is not, and never has been a "NeoCon". Cheney was a conservative when conservatism wasn't cool.......way before the NeoCon movement. He'd more accurately be referred to as a "PaleoCon".
Now, "NeoCon", can today, perhaps more accurately be described as anyone (regardless of religion) who has seen the light and become a conservative, having once held liberal beliefs. The term is still, however, used as a "slur", by liberals.........who are, as a group (discounting Arabs), the most antisemitic bunch around.
Like I chastened you in another thread......throwing words around without totally understanding what you are saying makes you look like a fool........more homework is needed, grasshopper........
doc
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I dont understand your debate style.
It's very simple, really--you make a point, I counter it, we both provide sources (CREDIBLE ONES--no usage of "Teh Wiki") to support our positions, etc., etc...
Basically, what I'm seeing in you is someone who has been exposed to one side of an issue and only knows how to regurgitate it without any sort of critical analysis of the issue at hand. In your previous post, you claimed I'm defending Bush. Really? Where?
Oh, and as far as my claim vis-a-vis Biden, look up "Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995" on Google or Thomas.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0
Biden himself draws parallels between his 1995 bill and its 2001 cousin. "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill," he said when the Patriot Act was being debated, according to the New Republic, which described him as "the Democratic Party's de facto spokesman on the war against terrorism."
Now, pretty please, go eat a fat bag of dicks.
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Just checking if the young man posted any link to "illegal wiretapping" yet...
Nope. Nothing.
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I dont understand your debate style. Instead of actually adressing what I said you just go "OH YEAH WELL THE DEMOCRATS DID THIS". Its dialectic equivelent of "NO U". Im not defending Obama, Im not defending the scumbags in the Democratic party, yet for some reason you feel the need to defend Bush to the death. Even though he started a completely pointless war, even though he drove up the national debt, even though he wiped his ass on the 4th amendment. You still feel the need to defending him, I thought you were a conservative? Or perhaps you should rename the board to "Neo-Conservative Cave"
Yay! yet another person coming here to let us know that we are fake conservatives.
Now that I think about it, I should have suggested that Kevin name this board NeoCon cave just to tweak the Ron Paul disciples. :-)