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watch for the live debate thread later tonight. the drinking words and phrases will be, "change", "elitist",
"out of touch", "middle class", and "drop dead, bitch". :-)
seriously, hillary has to go for the jugular tonight, while The BarackStar! has to prove that a chick can't kick his ass.
this will be a very contentious debate, and there won't be any whiney john edwards to provide a break in the knife
fighting.
in other words, this should be fun. :-)
Obama, Clinton face off in what could be their last debate
WASHINGTON — After weeks of sniping at each other from a distance, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama meet face to face tonight in what could be their last debate.
The showdown, at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, will be televised from 8 to 9:30 EDT on ABC. ABC News anchors Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos will moderate.
Tonight's clash comes at a crucial time, with Obama still the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination but trailing Clinton in opinion polls in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary next Tuesday. Obama also is facing new questions about how thoroughly he's been vetted and the debate is likely to include some of the flash points and revelations that have dominated the increasingly nasty campaign in recent weeks.
Among them: Obama's remarks that working-class Pennsylvanians were clinging to religion and guns out of bitterness about their economic standing, his relationship with a pastor seen in videotapes damning the United States and Clinton's efforts to capitalize on both to revive her campaign.
After gaining on Clinton in Pennsylvania, where a come-from-behind win would create enormous pressure on her to quit the race, polls suggest that Obama has stalled there.
"There is pressure on him to rebound," said Larry Rasky, a veteran Democratic strategist.
Obama's key challenge tonight is to connect with working-class voters, particularly white working-class voters.
He's long had a hard time winning them away from Clinton, and he's been newly hammered for his comments that critics charged linked such voters' embrace of religion and guns to such negative values as xenophobia.
While Obama tried photo ops such as bowling — Clinton tried a shot and a beer — he needs to make a more substantive connection with a populist economic message, more John Edwards than Adlai Stevenson, Rasky argued.
"He needs to step up and show he's on their side," Rasky said.
A new poll of likely primary voters by Quinnipiac University found Clinton stopping Obama's gains on her and holding on to a lead of 50-44 percent, but it also indicated that she hadn't gained anything from her effort to portray Obama as an out-of-touch elitist. The poll of 2,103 likely voters conducted over the weekend had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.
More (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/16/CAMPAIGN_DEBATE_0416.html)
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bumping to see if everyone has their popcorn popping. :popcorn:
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the drinking words and phrases will be, "change", "elitist",
"out of touch", "middle class", and "drop dead, bitch". :-)
Damn, everyone will be drunk before the 1st commercial break!!
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the drinking words and phrases will be, "change", "elitist",
"out of touch", "middle class", and "drop dead, bitch". :-)
Damn, everyone will be drunk before the 1st commercial break!!
yeah, well, it's a dem debate. we will need some sort of anesthesia. :whatever: :-)
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the drinking words and phrases will be, "change", "elitist",
"out of touch", "middle class", and "drop dead, bitch". :-)
Damn, everyone will be drunk before the 1st commercial break!!
If we add "hope" to the list we'll be comatose...
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good heavens. they are playing video clips of them sniping at each other in the lead -in.
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obama has plants in the crowd!! the clappers are on the payroll!!111!1
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The BarackStar! starts off explaining the "frustration" that he is finding in PA . . . I wonder if he will explain all the "clinging" that he saw, as well. :whatever:
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poor hillary needs some rest; she looks like that melting nazi in the indiana jones movie.
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(gibson spends 5 minutes asking them if they would accept each other on the same ticket. :whatever:)
obama : "it's premature".
(freaking gibson quotes the constitution :whatever:)
clinton : "f*ck him".
(kidding. she tap danced like a crazy person :-))
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:rotf: I'm not sure what is funnier, their answers or the "transcript" on this forum... :lmao:
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obama explains his "mangled statement" by saying, basically, that he does it a lot.
hmmmm. he is saying that when people get pissed off at washington, they concentrate on religion. I still
don't get that one. I don't even understand the point of gettign pissed off at washington.
hillary's granddad was poor, and was a methodist. ZING! she calls BULLSNIT on clinging to religion!
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hillary pounded him pretty flat on that one. she called BS on his spin, but didn't really lay it out there
as to what it really was.
argh. I forgot stephenopolioplis (whatever) was still alive until I heard his girlie little voice.
I am just NOT going to get the knife fight that I was looking for. :banghead: maybe they can drag
john edwards out there at bitch slap him around for a while.
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ah, but obama "is a person of faith" (he just can't bring himself to say that he's a christian), so how
can he be elitist? it's pretty simple. you're a person that thinks he's better than the rest of the world,
he just believes in God while he does it.
*GASP* we just got the lethal hillary smile. something is coming . . . .
well, damn. she whiffed. swung on and missed for strike three.
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jeremiah wright question . . . . I have no idea what he just said. something about rolling stone, and
how wright only hated white people part-time anyway.
these question couldn't be any bigger softballs . . . .
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OH FOR GOD'S SAKE
stephanopoliools : "do you think wright loves america as much as you do?"
he actually asked that question. he actually did. and he had a smarmy, self satisfied look on his face when he did it
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for some reason, obama just tossed in the fact that wright is a former marine.
heh. hillary: okay, I give you wright. what about farakhan and hamas?
stephanopoipinoplis to hillary : everyone in america thinks you are a liar because of bosnia
(cut to come dude in front of a jack in the box calling her a liar)
hillary : wesley clark is here with me tonight. don't ask me why that matters.
stephanoplopliops doesn't seem to love the clintons any more.
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obama pretty much trades his "clinging" gaffe for her bosnia lie, and calls it a draw.
:kumbaya:
this debate is revolting. I was expecting her to kick him in the obamas. :censored:
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obama and the flag pin thing. it turns out a vet gave him one, and he wears it now. didn't he call that
FALSE patriotism a couple of months ago? he got applause for calling that question an example of the
old politics. he is calling EVERYTHING that hillary or the moderators ask him an example of the
old politics that he is here to change.
interesting how that works, huh?
everything he doesn't like is part of the problem.
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obama and the flag pin thing. it turns out a vet gave him one, and he wears it now. didn't he call that
FALSE patriotism a couple of months ago? he got applause for calling that question an example of the
old politics. he is calling EVERYTHING that hillary or the moderators ask him an example of the
old politics that he is here to change.
interesting how that works, huh?
everything he doesn't like is part of the problem.
He's trying to get his cult back.
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obama and the flag pin thing. it turns out a vet gave him one, and he wears it now. didn't he call that
FALSE patriotism a couple of months ago? he got applause for calling that question an example of the
old politics. he is calling EVERYTHING that hillary or the moderators ask him an example of the
old politics that he is here to change.
interesting how that works, huh?
everything he doesn't like is part of the problem.
He's trying to get his cult back.
then he should scream "WAR MONGERING CORPORATE WHORE!!", and throw blood on her.
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obama and the flag pin thing. it turns out a vet gave him one, and he wears it now. didn't he call that
FALSE patriotism a couple of months ago? he got applause for calling that question an example of the
old politics. he is calling EVERYTHING that hillary or the moderators ask him an example of the
old politics that he is here to change.
interesting how that works, huh?
everything he doesn't like is part of the problem.
He's trying to get his cult back.
then he should scream "WAR MONGERING CORPORATE WHORE!!", and throw blood on her.
:rotf:
I would pay to see that! BTW, thanks for the service you provide. This is the only way to watch a Dem debate as far as I'm concerned.
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obama and the flag pin thing. it turns out a vet gave him one, and he wears it now. didn't he call that
FALSE patriotism a couple of months ago? he got applause for calling that question an example of the
old politics. he is calling EVERYTHING that hillary or the moderators ask him an example of the
old politics that he is here to change.
interesting how that works, huh?
everything he doesn't like is part of the problem.
He's trying to get his cult back.
then he should scream "WAR MONGERING CORPORATE WHORE!!", and throw blood on her.
:rotf:
I would pay to see that! BTW, thanks for the service you provide. This is the only way to watch a Dem debate as far as I'm concerned.
this one is making me want to puke. they're gonna start makin' out in a second, but I guess they'll talk dirty while they do it. :whatever:
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they have youtube type questions. they must have homeless shelters for weeks to find these people.
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oh, damn. I was going to make "moving the goalposts" a jackpot drinking phrase; she just used it.
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what are you actually going to do to get us out of iraq?
hillary : I am going to talk a lot.
obama : I am going to talk a lot, but in a stern tone of voice.
on edit :
obama : I am going to talk a lot, but I will do it clearly, and in a stern tone of voice.
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I just saw obama refer to himself as the "commander in chief" for the first time. it instantly occurred to
me that when he does that on the same stage as john mccain, the audience will burst into laughter.
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hillary just gave a cogent, intelligent answer on iran and nukes. well, right up until she claimed that somehow
the world wasn't on"our side" on the issue . . . which rational country wants iran to have nukes?
it was an extended, informed answer, other than that.
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on the bush tax cuts:
hillary : I will screw each and every one of you that actually have jobs
obama : I will, too.
hillary : yeah, but my schlong is bigger than his.
obama : yeah, but I am cuter
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gibson points out that gov't revenues go UP when taxes are cut.
:popcorn:
obama : it doesn't matter because it isn't fair because hedge fund managers make millions.
(huh? :???:)
then he basically acts as though he totally didn't hear the premise of the question.
gibson reiterates his question
obama's answer was utterly unintelligible. something about houses and wall street.
hillary : taxes? remember the good old 90's? remember me? I was there. I was the one my husband WASN'T banging.
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okay, hillary's answers (relatively speaking) are clear and informed. she is on point, and knows her issues.
obama is struggling with the notion of a tax cap. honestly. he just screwed it up.
I can't believe she is losing to this guy.
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obama drug social security into a tax discussion, which is a little alarming.
she picked up the SS issue, and rammed it home.
he stammered something about her having it both ways, and she interrupted him. and he
made a frustrated gesture with his arms. he just got verbally bullied by a chick on national
television.
debates are not his strong suit.
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I don't think I am going to miss the first south park for this coma inducing love fest of a debate.
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How is this...
2nd Ammendment :
Hillary: Gangmembers are mentally challenged and most gun owners I spoke with want them dead. We need a balance.
Obama: Just because you have an individual right to bear arms doesn't mean the gov't can't restrain you. Just because you have private property doesn't mean the gov't can't take it.
Gibson: Didn't you favor a ban on handguns?
Obama: No, I didn't say that...We just want to make sure individuals don't have access to handguns
Gibson to Hillary : You support ban in DC?
Hillary: The Bush adminstration said they don't have enough facts.: I don't know the facts either
Gibson pressed on...
Hillary: blah blah blah
Affirmative Action:
Stephanopolus: Would you change it so affluent African Americans not get it, and poor whites do?
Obama: :rotf:
Clinton: "no child left behind is working now" "but I would end it" and something about healthcare reform
Oil:
Clinton: McCain's tax reform: Nope, wouldn't work, we need a windfall profit tax on big oil companies.
Obama: we need to have an investigation...a 150 billion dollar investigation to see how we can make it cheaper...:eek
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How is this...
2nd Ammendment :
Hillary: Gangmembers are mentally challenged and most gun owners I spoke with want them dead. We need a balance.
Obama: Just because you have an individual right to bear arms doesn't mean the gov't can't restrain you. Just because you have private property doesn't mean the gov't can't take it.
Gibson: Didn't you favor a ban on handguns?
Obama: No, I didn't say that...We just want to make sure individuals don't have access to handguns
Gibson to Hillary : You support ban in DC?
Hillary: The Bush adminstration said they don't have enough facts.: I don't know the facts either
Gibson pressed on...
Hillary: blah blah blah
Affirmative Action:
Stephanopolus: Would you change it so affluent African Americans not get it, and poor whites do?
Obama: :rotf:
Clinton: "no child left behind is working now" "but I would end it" and something about healthcare reform
Oil:
Clinton: McCain's tax reform: Nope, wouldn't work, we need a windfall profit tax on big oil companies.
Obama: we need to have an investigation...a 150 billion dollar investigation to see how we can make it cheaper...:eek
:rofl:
good stuff!
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thanks for picking it up, hawkgirl. it's the "smug alert" episode on south park. :-)
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thanks for picking it up, hawkgirl. it's the "smug alert" episode on south park. :-)
No problem :-)...cliff notes is really all that is needed for that BS comafest.
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how did it end? did they brush each other's hair and gossip about american idol before it was all over? :whatever:
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how did it end? did they brush each other's hair and gossip about american idol before it was all over? :whatever:
That's all I saw...I think there was one more segment...but I got interrupted at work.
I'm feeling nauseous now...what a couple of stupid clowns.
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how did it end? did they brush each other's hair and gossip about american idol before it was all over? :whatever:
That's all I saw...I think there was one more segment...but I got interrupted at work.
I'm feeling nauseous now...what a couple of stupid clowns.
that was enough to make anyone ill.
I expected hillary to hack him to pieces with a machete, and burn the pieces that she didn't eat.
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They had it on TV in the shop next to us. Everytime I went down there, Obama was the only person on the TV. Either he got a lot of air time, or I just happened to walk down there at the right moments.
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They had it on TV in the shop next to us. Everytime I went down there, Obama was the only person on the TV. Either he got a lot of air time, or I just happened to walk down there at the right moments.
when I bailed with 30 minutes left, gibson had mentioned several times that hillary was behind in time allotted.
I have read some early reviews/blogs, and most of them are of the opinion that he got his lungs handed to him.
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Summary: Two Dims with ability to talk so much and say so little. :loser: :loser:
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Summary: Two Dims with ability to talk so much and say so little. :loser: :loser:
I really think the dems are walking off a cliff with this obama guy. a lot of what he says is wrong, and
most of the rest of it just doesn't make sense. and what's left is always "part of the old way of doing
things in washington" that he is here to change.
ah, but he is inspiring. :whatever:
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from the obama campaign on tonight's debate:
A statement from Obama campaign manager David Plouffe: “Tonight we saw a real choice between the old politics of point-scoring and distraction and a politics that focuses on bringing us together to actually solve the challenges we talk about every single election. Continuing the theme of her campaign, Senator Clinton used every single opportunity she had to launch misleading attack after misleading attack against Barack Obama, which is why polls show that most Americans think she’s running the most negative campaign and don’t believe she’s trustworthy. Barack Obama spoke about the issues that actually matter in people’s lives, like how he plans to end the war in Iraq, cut middle-class taxes, help people stay in their homes, and provide a secure retirement for our seniors. That’s why more Americans are putting their trust in Barack Obama to bring about the change we need in Washington."
link (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/16/905137.aspx)
this is the sound of someone that just got his ass kicked on the playground . . . by a girl. :-)
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oh, for cryin' out loud . . .
For Obama, the harsh questioning from Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos of ABC News probably felt as though the media was trying to make up for a year's worth of allegedly ginger treatment all in one night. But it clarified the sharply different postures of the two campaigns.
linky (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/analysis_obama_1.html)
the boston globe. :whatever:
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Thanks for the WEcap. :-)
I'd much rather ram knives in my ears than watch this drek. Your posts are much easier to take and a lot funnier!
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it's amazing. the entire liberal universe thinks that The BarackStar! won last night. PMSNBC's poll earlier this morning was 70-odd to 20-odd. conservative bloggers and analysts think (as I did last night) that obama got gutted like a fish.
I ran across a "minority publication" last night that actually attacked hillary for attacking obama, and called obama's demeanor "presidential".
analyst on PMSNBC : "it was 40 minutes before they asked a question about the issues", the implication, of course, being that the debate was about gossip and innuendo before that. first of all, since he is making his "judgment" his only qualification for the job, and since we know nothing about the man, people are understandably trying to get any insight that they can into his "judgment". having a pastor for 20 years that is a semi-raving lunatic, thinking that babies are "punishment", thinking that wearing a simple flag pin is "false patriotism", and belittling poor country bumpkins that are less cosmopolitan that he and The MichelleStar!, are all perfectly valid opportunities to attempt to gain that insight.
and besides, there isn't 10 cents worth of difference in their stand on all of the issues put together.
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Thanks for the WEcap. :-)
I'd much rather ram knives in my ears than watch this drek. Your posts are much easier to take and a lot funnier!
very clever. a noun is born. :-)
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I think McCain would shred him. Actually I think he could shred Hillary too. I'm not as confident about that one though. He's too cozy with her in general. If Barackstar! is the one, then McCain will have to shred him in such a way that doesn't come across at "mean ole whitey" picking on the "up and coming hope and change mixed race embracer of minorities." Oy.
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I think McCain would shred him. Actually I think he could shred Hillary too. I'm not as confident about that one though. He's too cozy with her in general. If Barackstar! is the one, then McCain will have to shred him in such a way that doesn't come across at "mean ole whitey" picking on the "up and coming hope and change mixed race embracer of minorities." Oy.
the thought of mccain on the same debate stage as obama used to strike fear into my heart. it no longer worries me (as much).
it turns out that after the "hope, healing, and unity" well runs dry, there isn't much left in obama's campaign that he seems willing to run on. and I think he is overly relying on anti-war sentiment and hating GWB simply because he is GWB.
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it turns out that after the "hope, healing, and unity" well runs dry, there isn't much left in obama's campaign that he seems willing to run on. and I think he is overly relying on anti-war sentiment and hating GWB simply because he is GWB.
Well scripted empty suit + DU talking points = :loser:
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Virtually all of the conservative talk radio hosts this morning are commenting on the fact that the print media is "unhinged" because the magic negro actually was asked some tough questions, and looked like a high school junior in his attempts to answer them.
Based on the clips that I have heard so far, I agree with WE's "gutted like a fish" evaluation.....
McCain should be able to go through either of these clowns like a grenade in a trash can, but the real question is.....will he do it......
doc
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Virtually all of the conservative talk radio hosts this morning are commenting on the fact that the print media is "unhinged" because the magic negro actually was asked some tough questions, and looked like a high school junior in his attempts to answer them.
Based on the clips that I have heard so far, I agree with WE's "gutted like a fish" evaluation.....
McCain should be able to go through either of these clowns like a grenade in a trash can, but the real question is.....will he do it......
doc
I honestly thought they were softballs. if nothing else, he should have known they would be coming sooner or later, and
have been prepared for them. that is, if the MSM had not been treating him like a fabulousmessiahrockstardemigod for the
past year.
the presidency ain't cake.
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Virtually all of the conservative talk radio hosts this morning are commenting on the fact that the print media is "unhinged" because the magic negro actually was asked some tough questions, and looked like a high school junior in his attempts to answer them.
Based on the clips that I have heard so far, I agree with WE's "gutted like a fish" evaluation.....
McCain should be able to go through either of these clowns like a grenade in a trash can, but the real question is.....will he do it......
doc
I honestly thought they were softballs. if nothing else, he should have known they would be coming sooner or later, and
have been prepared for them. that is, if the MSM had not been treating him like a fabulousmessiahrockstardemigod for the
past year.
the presidency ain't cake.
I think he suffers from the typical liberal disease....entitlement.....he was beginning to believe his own press.....
doc
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Virtually all of the conservative talk radio hosts this morning are commenting on the fact that the print media is "unhinged" because the magic negro actually was asked some tough questions, and looked like a high school junior in his attempts to answer them.
Based on the clips that I have heard so far, I agree with WE's "gutted like a fish" evaluation.....
McCain should be able to go through either of these clowns like a grenade in a trash can, but the real question is.....will he do it......
doc
I honestly thought they were softballs. if nothing else, he should have known they would be coming sooner or later, and
have been prepared for them. that is, if the MSM had not been treating him like a fabulousmessiahrockstardemigod for the
past year.
the presidency ain't cake.
I think he suffers from the typical liberal disease....entitlement.....he was beginning to believe his own press.....
doc
indeed. the expression on his face of "who are YOU to question ME?!" was unmistakable.
when you are surrounded by sycophants and yes-men, that is a real danger . . . to say nothing of being surrounded
by people that think you are a messiah-like figure.
KNEEL! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!
(http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2005/04/zod.jpg)
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the thought of mccain on the same debate stage as obama used to strike fear into my heart. it no longer worries me (as much).
I'm waiting for McCain to use this line.." I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. If I still have time, I might add, Mr. Trewhitt, I might add that it was Seneca or it was Cicero, I don't know which, that said if it was not for the elders correcting the mistakes of the young, there would be no state." Ronnie Reagan :clap:
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there is an ulterior motive to all of this hysterical criticism from the left of the fairly mild questioning of The BarackStar! . . . .
and that is to make sure that wright, flag pins, farrakhan, bitter/clinging, or any other issue that is potentially
insightful into the judgment of His Barackness never, ever, ever comes up again. at least not until after his
inauguration. every member of the MSM is watching the outcry, and every member of the MSM is fawning
slave to the opinion of his or her peers in "the business". no one will step outside of "the lines" with Obama
again.
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there is an ulterior motive to all of this hysterical criticism from the left of the fairly mild questioning of The BarackStar! . . . .
and that is to make sure that wright, flag pins, farrakhan, bitter/clinging, or any other issue that is potentially
insightful into the judgment of His Barackness never, ever, ever comes up again. at least not until after his
inauguration. every member of the MSM is watching the outcry, and every member of the MSM is fawning
slave to the opinion of his or her peers in "the business". no one will step outside of "the lines" with Obama
again.
Won't work though....the alternative media has the ball on this one, and its impact might be minimized, but the cat is out of the bag so to speak......I think that now that there is "blood in the water", the MSM will not be able to protect the magic negro as before.....remember the "Swift Boat Vets", the MSM did everything that they could to discredit them, but once the word was out, it was unstoppable....
doc
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there is an ulterior motive to all of this hysterical criticism from the left of the fairly mild questioning of The BarackStar! . . . .
and that is to make sure that wright, flag pins, farrakhan, bitter/clinging, or any other issue that is potentially
insightful into the judgment of His Barackness never, ever, ever comes up again. at least not until after his
inauguration. every member of the MSM is watching the outcry, and every member of the MSM is fawning
slave to the opinion of his or her peers in "the business". no one will step outside of "the lines" with Obama
again.
Won't work though....the alternative media has the ball on this one, and its impact might be minimized, but the cat is out of the bag so to speak......I think that now that there is "blood in the water", the MSM will not be able to protect the magic negro as before.....remember the "Swift Boat Vets", the MSM did everything that they could to discredit them, but once the word was out, it was unstoppable....
doc
I'll bet you a beer that he has immunity from the MSM from this point on.
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^He's had it all along up till now....I think that the honeymoon might be over......I'm not confident enough to risk a beer however.....
doc
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that is probably it for the debates. NC has been canceled (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/nc-debate-cance.html). it looks like the DNC is worried that their front runner took it in the shorts so badly last week.
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that is probably it for the debates. NC has been canceled (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/nc-debate-cance.html). it looks like the DNC is worried that their front runner took it in the shorts so badly last week.
NC always gets shit on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BULLSHIT
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that is probably it for the debates. NC has been canceled (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/nc-debate-cance.html). it looks like the DNC is worried that their front runner took it in the shorts so badly last week.
Thank God we are spared!
They have nothing more to say with all the air time their long winded, empty promises, campaign commercials running here.
:loser: :loser: <---- both Dimwits
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that is probably it for the debates. NC has been canceled (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/nc-debate-cance.html). it looks like the DNC is worried that their front runner took it in the shorts so badly last week.
Thank God we are spared!
They have nothing more to say with all the air time their long winded, empty promises, campaign commercials running here.
:loser: :loser: <---- both Dimwits
How you like that Obama commercial where he states he will take the oil company profits and institute a windfall profits penalty
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^isn't that what Her Thighness said a while back too?
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that is probably it for the debates. NC has been canceled (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/nc-debate-cance.html). it looks like the DNC is worried that their front runner took it in the shorts so badly last week.
Thank God we are spared!
They have nothing more to say with all the air time their long winded, empty promises, campaign commercials running here.
:loser: :loser: <---- both Dimwits
and The BarackStar! thanks God that he was spared any more torpedo attacks by hillary. he was taking on water and listing to port after last weeks debate. :-)