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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Kimberly on April 20, 2011, 05:50:09 PM
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Iran, under wants to outlaw dog ownership under Islamic law and then confiscate and kill the dogs. I thought this would certainly rile the DUmmies up enough to actually say something, anything critical of muslims.
But I'd be wrong. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x927376)
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 09:58 AM
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1. What a bunch of killjoys..
poor pooches.. I know what will happen to them
msongs (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 09:59 AM
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3. at least they don't spend billions on dog food while their children go hungry*
*although they may spend billions on something else while their children go hungry I suppose
Zorro (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 10:01 AM
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4. Many years ago I heard that Mohammed died from a rabid dog bite
and that's why dogs aren't welcome in Moslem households.
get the red out (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 10:44 AM
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5. Our innocent companions
For thousands of years will have to suffer for human created religion. Great! Dogs really are capable of unconditional love, religion seeks to root out and destroy unconditional love, or really love of any sort except love for the religion itself.
I will go home and look in my dog's eyes and somehow despise religion even more now than I already did.
get the red out (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 03:48 PM
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15. Unfortunately people interpret tenets
And it seems most religious bodies have been skewing conservative in recent years which places demands to tow the letter of the more extreme interpretations of "law" on followers and on how those followers perceive others. This seems to result in a huge amount of condemnation of others and all love and loyalty being reserved for the religious body itself.
The world only gets me down because humanity simply cannot seem to get out of fear and ritual long enough to advance in any way. If most religious bodies were "liberal" I would have no trouble with them. Here in the south people use religion to screw up their kids for a past time, because the law of religion is more important than loving a gay son or unmarried pregnant daughter etc....
Good discussion though.
WatsonT (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 03:38 PM
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13. Most religions don't ban dogs
get the red out (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 03:52 PM
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16. Most religions condemn and control
And want the loyalty and love for the religious body or its leaders. Banning dogs per se is but one symptom appearing in Iran at the moment. I usually despise religion for such institutions' general mistreatment and disregard for women, perhaps that would work better here. Or maybe condemnation of gay people, often the murder of gay people. How about Catholic Priests molesting children, better reason?
WatsonT (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 05:44 PM
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20. Individuals of any religion
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 05:44 PM by WatsonT
can be evil. And even the bureaucracy can be problematic.
That is not necessarily a condemnation of all religion though.
Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 02:28 PM
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7. What do blind people in Iran do? Are they prohibited from having seeing-eye dogs? (n/t)
WatsonT (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 03:38 PM
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14. Maybe they can get seeing eye pigs!
Pigs are intelligent and can be trained.
Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 05:47 PM
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21. Pigs are also unclean
They'd have to use seeing-eye chickens.
snooper2 (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 02:33 PM
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8. I think somebody in Iran is trying to do a deal with China
Terra Alta (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 03:53 PM
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17. What a sad story.
What's going to happen to all these dogs? It breaks my heart to think of how they might be treated.
chaska (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 04:32 PM
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19. Well, at least they won't be contributing to global warming....
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 04:33 PM by chaska
Methane, you know.
Now if we could only ban people too ... or even instead of.
Old Troop (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 05:54 PM
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22. It's actually pretty complicated. I doubt the Iranian lawmakers plan
to ban dogs. Dogs have been bred throughout Islamic lands to do specific tasks. Dogs are considered unclean in Islamic thought because of their personal habits and propensity to eat unclean things, but are considered useful tools in many circumstances. I think what they're trying to do is ban "pet" dog ownership -- dogs that are kept as a source of emotional pleasure by their owners.
I was hoping for a smidgen of the bile they usually spew at Christians for just existing, but they barely work up any outrage at all. Guess they don't love animals as much as they claim.
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Guess they don't love animals as much as they claim.
Nope, unless the animals are a substitute for primitive human relations.
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**** with one of my dogs and I will seriously consider making you cold. Just one more reason to eliminate the cult of izlam.
According to official man rules death of an heroic dog is the one reason you can cry while watching a movie.
Of course, not a single DUche has one of these.
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Muslims have ascended to a position of unassailable devotion among DUmp democrats. Criticism of any facet of that primitive, savage cult is tantamount to expressing reservations about the slaughter of human infants. You can't be an orthodox democrat without making a great show of reverence for the muslim cult.
It's really amazing. Being a DUmp democrat requires an absolute belief in the most radical feminism, yet they adore islam, which treats women exactly as if they were livestock. Being a DUmp democrat requires enthusiastic support for people who practice the most revolting perversions imaginable, yet they adore islam, which requires homos and other perverts to be summarily executed. But islam is a sworn blood enemy of the United States, and that's enough for it to earn total, unquestioning support from democrats.
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**** with one of my dogs and I will seriously consider making you cold. Just one more reason to eliminate the cult of izlam.
Amen. :cheersmate:
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 03:38 PM
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13. Most religions don't ban dogs
Yeah but,..........not that throwback "religion of peace" primitive.
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Another reason to hate that filthy Muzzie cult.
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And besides that, here are two reasons to hate the DUmp democrats:
chaska (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 04:32 PM
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19. Well, at least they won't be contributing to global warming....
msongs (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 09:59 AM
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3. at least they don't spend billions on dog food while their children go hungry*
My blood boiled reading these. Anything that starts with "well at least..." when they slobber over their muslim heroes makes me furious. **** you.
One side benefit of us having dogs was keeping the muslim relatives from visiting, especially overnight. Bunch of assholes they were.
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And besides that, here are two reasons to hate the DUmp democrats:
My blood boiled reading these. Anything that starts with "well at least..." when they slobber over their muslim heroes makes me furious. **** you.
One side benefit of us having dogs was keeping the muslim relatives from visiting, especially overnight. Bunch of assholes they were.
This problem has placed Hubby and I on different sides of the fence for years.
Our dogs are family, if someone wants to visit us, they must put up with the whole family.[ Hubby] If for any reason we invite people to our home, I do what has to be done to make them feel welcome and respected guests. [ME]
Muslim friends, I would lock the dogs up in another room, Hubby threw a Shit fit. This is our home, this is the dogs home, you do not lock up the kids when someone who dislikes children comes to visit. [Hubby]
But his sister who is very allergic to dogs dander causes him to lock up the dogs and vacuum the carpets and furniture when she comes to visit. [ME]
There is a big difference in medical problems and a religious problem. [HIM]
So why when around his Aunts does he not smoke or drink, that is not a health issue it is called Respect for a guest. [ME]
In the last couple years my Muslim friends have gone back to Indonesia, BUT we still go round and round on the Edicate of hosting friends and family to our home.
At no time have we when invited to an Asians home for a meal been served dog or cat.
I would not invite a Muslim, Jew or a 7 day Adventist for dinner and serve a pork roast, nor would I serve a glass of wine to a Southern Baptist.
If Muslims wish to rid their town of hogs, snakes and dogs, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
We have no way to get behind the scene when the Mohammad cursed dogs, could have been a frightfull outbreak in Rabies at the time, Hogs may have been causing food poisoning and disease for all we know.
What ever, these people are still living their lives in the past by the conditions at the time. We Christians and Jews do also in today's world. We have our TRADITIONS and follow them.
Think about this , if tomorrow everyone in my town awoke and felt an urge to own a Bald Python, for what ever reason, there would be a few of us that abhor the critters. No amount of education, or socialization can give us the desire to own one. So to expect a Muslim comunity to accept dogs , hogs or snakes is about the same thing.
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we still go round and round on the Edicate of hosting friends and family to our home.
Another classic.
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I actually don't need any more reasons to abhor Islam. Of course they're free to do as they please and I'm free to despise them and the DUmp shits who make excuses for their evil.
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Edicate Upman was a brother to Eurypides Upman, the only Hebrew Jamaicans in the neighborhood.
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Muslims have ascended to a position of unassailable devotion among DUmp democrats. Criticism of any facet of that primitive, savage cult is tantamount to expressing reservations about the slaughter of human infants. You can't be an orthodox democrat without making a great show of reverence for the muslim cult.
It's really amazing. Being a DUmp democrat requires an absolute belief in the most radical feminism, yet they adore islam, which treats women exactly as if they were livestock. Being a DUmp democrat requires enthusiastic support for people who practice the most revolting perversions imaginable, yet they adore islam, which requires homos and other perverts to be summarily executed. But islam is a sworn blood enemy of the United States, and that's enough for it to earn total, unquestioning support from democrats.
Yeah, I noticed how quickly all the posts referred to 'religion' instead of muslims or islam.
KC
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Another classic.
In what way Go, unless one marries their first cousin, then the traditions of both family's can cause a few problems in a marriage.
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:lmao:
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:lmao:
Troublemaker.
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chaska (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 04:32 PM
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19. Well, at least they won't be contributing to global warming....
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 04:33 PM by chaska
Methane, you know.
Now if we could only ban people too ... or even instead of.
You first asshole.
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 05:44 PM
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20. Individuals of any religion
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 05:44 PM by WatsonT
can be evil. And even the bureaucracy can be problematic. That is not necessarily a condemnation of all religion though.
Quit it with your "diversity training" DUmmie. Still sticking up for that throwback religion, huh?! :jerkit: :jerkit:
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-20-11 05:44 PM
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20. Individuals of any religion can be evil.
That's true, but only in the vicious "religion of peace" is evil a revered, fundamental doctrine.
Only in the barbaric "religion of peace" is speaking out against evil a sin punishable by death.
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Why are we still pretending these people are civilized?
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In the last couple years my Muslim friends have gone back to Indonesia, BUT we still go round and round on the Edicate of hosting friends and family to our home.
At no time have we when invited to an Asians home for a meal been served dog or cat.
I would not invite a Muslim, Jew or a 7 day Adventist for dinner and serve a pork roast, nor would I serve a glass of wine to a Southern Baptist.
If Muslims wish to rid their town of hogs, snakes and dogs, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
We have no way to get behind the scene when the Mohammad cursed dogs, could have been a frightfull outbreak in Rabies at the time, Hogs may have been causing food poisoning and disease for all we know.
What ever, these people are still living their lives in the past by the conditions at the time. We Christians and Jews do also in today's world. We have our TRADITIONS and follow them.
Think about this , if tomorrow everyone in my town awoke and felt an urge to own a Bald Python, for what ever reason, there would be a few of us that abhor the critters. No amount of education, or socialization can give us the desire to own one. So to expect a Muslim comunity to accept dogs , hogs or snakes is about the same thing.
Vesta, I ask this in all sincerity, WHAT THE ****?
There are apparently plenty of Muslims in Iran who love their furry friends the way we do here in the USA. Just like there are plenty of them who would like to do away with some of their "traditions", like the utter subjugation of women, no mixing of the sexes, and so on. The population of Iran is comprised of a great many young people who would like to be able to enjoy a few of the traditions we Westerners take for granted, without the purity police beating them, or some ****ed up crazy coming into their homes and stealing their dogs.
Islam is wallowing in the Dark Ages, thanks to the words and actions of a quite sizeable minority of its adherents throughout the world. I would like to hear your explanation for why rounding up and murdering an entire nation's worth of dogs is a tradition worthy of respect.
And yeah, yeah, Christians and Jews commited outrages throughout history, but in case you DUmmies hadn't realized it, we are now living in the 21st century and the VAST majority of current outrages are being commited by the religion whose name cannot be mentioned on your site without it becoming a "hate crime". :whatever: Furthermore, this is a religion which has NEVER stopped attacking the West from the day its green bannered forces roared out of the Arabian peninsula to invade Europe. Crusades, my ass, the Muslims started the whole shebang by invading, and please don't take my word for it, go educate yourselves via google or a good history book, written BEFORE this stupid age of political correctness.
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If Muslims wish to rid their town of hogs, snakes and dogs, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Nazis wish to rid their town of Jews, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Stalinists wish to rid their town of capitalists, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Egypt wishes to rid her towns of Coptic Christians, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If mothers wish to rid their wombs of unwanted children, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Hutu wish to rid their town of Tutsi, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Chinese wish to rid their towns of more than one child families, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
In my opinion, this has to rank right up near the top for the most ignorant things you've said, Vesta.
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If Nazis wish to rid their town of Jews, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Stalinists wish to rid their town of capitalists, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Egypt wishes to rid her towns of Coptic Christians, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If mothers wish to rid their wombs of unwanted children, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Hutu wish to rid their town of Tutsi, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
If Chinese wish to rid their towns of more than one child families, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
In my opinion, this has to rank right up near the top for the most ignorant things you've said, Vesta.
Whew, BattleHymn, for a moment there I thought you'd mistaken her post for mine! I did highlight that part because it's so nuts.
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I don't think anybody could confuse Vesta's posts to be authored by anybody but Vesta. :-)
Man, Vesta, sometimes you really push out a turd.
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I'd add another...
If Chinese wish to rid their towns of baby girls.....
Thanks to those who had patience enough to read through her post enough to call her on it.
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In half-hearted defense of vestanumbers' moronic post, I'd point out that all the retorts affect humans, while vestanumbers spoke only of animals.
I'd be more inclined to bring up the parallel between those human outrages and the custom of the savage, barbaric muzzie cult to treat women as livestock.
As she might say, if muzzies want to mutilate their women, deny them nearly every human right, keep them imprisoned for life, and mercilessly slaughter them, in the cruelest ways imaginable, for any violation of the cult norms, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
It's a trivial distraction to get worked up over hogs, dogs, and snakes.
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You can be critical of Muslims at DU, just so long as you're sure to add several statements about how evil other religions are, particularly Christianity, and preferrably give a brief history of the Crusades and abortion clinic bombings.
You should also throw in a remark about taxing churches if possible, just to be on the safe side.
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In half-hearted defense of vestanumbers' moronic post, I'd point out that all the retorts affect humans, while vestanumbers spoke only of animals.
I'd be more inclined to bring up the parallel between those human outrages and the custom of the savage, barbaric muzzie cult to treat women as livestock.
As she might say, if muzzies want to mutilate their women, deny them nearly every human right, keep them imprisoned for life, and mercilessly slaughter them, in the cruelest ways imaginable, for any violation of the cult norms, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
It's a trivial distraction to get worked up over hogs, dogs, and snakes.
Point taken, and I thought of that when I chose my examples. I cooked Vesta's idea down to what I believe to be its basest form, which is how are we to judge anyone, on anything, ever, since our moral compass is not any better than theirs.
My examples weren't perfect, and could be a construed as a bit straw-mannish, but that is the price you pay for crawling into Vesta's head and trying to make sense of what you see. :whistling:
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Point taken, and I thought of that when I chose my examples. I cooked Vesta's idea down to what I believe to be its basest form, which is how are we to judge anyone, on anything, ever, since our moral compass is not any better than theirs.
My examples weren't perfect, and could be a construed as a bit straw-mannish, but that is the price you pay for crawling into Vesta's head and trying to make sense of what you see. :whistling:
Ouch :bawl:
I was speaking indeed of all things banned in a town of some religious and not so religious folk everywhere.
Dry Counties in the South, towns in the North West where one is not allowed to smoke anywhere in public, towns that ban hand guns. France will now ban woman from wearing a face covering in public, some malls ban anyone from wearing a scarf as they in some places are a gang symbol.
Some schools ban the wearing of a Crucifix or Star of David but the Muslim girls can wear their scarfs.
Some towns ban dogs if the breed has a bad reputation, right here in the USA.
Lots of odd things are baned in all societies because it is the PEOPLE themselves that demand it.
In no way was I speaking of humans being banned although small towns do have a way to run out of town the homeless.
How the Hell my post came to be confused with banning humans of a different stripe is beyond me.
Is this not what Democracy is, the gathering of people that take a vote on what they feel is tolerable or not to the comunity.???
Say, it is rare for me to drive through a town on a Sunday Morning and hear the 11 O'clock bells on a Christian Church ring out the call to prayer. I figure it is considered a nuisance to the neighborhood that wants to sleep in until noon.
When a society wishes to make laws for their chosen towns and the majority agree on the laws, we may become confused and feel they are wrong, but, it is the citizens that live there that make the laws and if some do not agree they move out to an environment that more suites them.
Why the heck do you think we went West into the wilderness to make our own towns against hostile Indians, risked it all to live free and build a country.
Jumping frog legs, if humans on the other side of the earth decide they do not want dogs, hogs or snakes in their town and most agree, who the heck are we to tell them they are wrong.??????????? They freaking live there we don't, but we cannot get around the fact that if the majority of the people approve of the ban, then they are without their knowledge practicing a form of Democracy.
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"Jumping frog legs....."
vesta111, madam, you're priceless.
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This problem has placed Hubby and I on different sides of the fence for years.
Our dogs are family, if someone wants to visit us, they must put up with the whole family.[ Hubby] If for any reason we invite people to our home, I do what has to be done to make them feel welcome and respected guests. [ME]
Muslim friends, I would lock the dogs up in another room, Hubby threw a Shit fit. This is our home, this is the dogs home, you do not lock up the kids when someone who dislikes children comes to visit. [Hubby]
But his sister who is very allergic to dogs dander causes him to lock up the dogs and vacuum the carpets and furniture when she comes to visit. [ME]
There is a big difference in medical problems and a religious problem. [HIM]
So why when around his Aunts does he not smoke or drink, that is not a health issue it is called Respect for a guest. [ME]
In the last couple years my Muslim friends have gone back to Indonesia, BUT we still go round and round on the Edicate of hosting friends and family to our home.
At no time have we when invited to an Asians home for a meal been served dog or cat.
I would not invite a Muslim, Jew or a 7 day Adventist for dinner and serve a pork roast, nor would I serve a glass of wine to a Southern Baptist.
If Muslims wish to rid their town of hogs, snakes and dogs, that is their choice, who are we to dictate our preferences to another culture or religion.
We have no way to get behind the scene when the Mohammad cursed dogs, could have been a frightfull outbreak in Rabies at the time, Hogs may have been causing food poisoning and disease for all we know.
What ever, these people are still living their lives in the past by the conditions at the time. We Christians and Jews do also in today's world. We have our TRADITIONS and follow them.
Think about this , if tomorrow everyone in my town awoke and felt an urge to own a Bald Python, for what ever reason, there would be a few of us that abhor the critters. No amount of education, or socialization can give us the desire to own one. So to expect a Muslim comunity to accept dogs , hogs or snakes is about the same thing.
I'm Southern Baptist. Why wouldn't you serve me wine?
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I'm Southern Baptist. Why wouldn't you serve me wine?
Depends on what part of the country you are from, are you city or country folk???
Deep South or big city, it is best to not take a chance on insulting a guest and keep booze off the table when in doubt.
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Depends on what part of the country you are from, are you city or country folk???
Deep South or big city, it is best to not take a chance on insulting a guest and keep booze off the table when in doubt.
Deep south. Country.
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Depends on what part of the country you are from, are you city or country folk???
Deep South or big city, it is best to not take a chance on insulting a guest and keep booze off the table when in doubt.
Keeping booze off the table would be about equivalent to urinating in a guests face where I come from.
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Keeping booze off the table would be about equivalent to urinating in a guests face where I come from.
Me likes where you came from! :cheersmate: